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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: pitman4u on 23 April 2009, 16:19
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alrite fellas slight problem could do wiv some help on.
my aircon wen set to low is not cold at all, lukewarm at best. ive rang the dealer (not the one i bought car from) and they are wanting to charge me £100 for re-gas & £55ph for labour!! the car is still under warrenty but they said aircon isnt covered, which is fair enough,but seen as i only bought the car just over 8 weeks from vw i dont think this is right!
the car is 56 reg and done 18k, so bit suprised aircon has packed in already!!
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Find another dealer, assuming its the vw warranty it is covered under warranty. A normal regass maybe isn't but as you say it shouldn't need that yet.
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I tried the same. Aircon needing a regas isn't covered under warrenty as it's classed as general wear and tear. I can't see amy dealer doing it for free. Make sure you don't have the Eco button on as this what turns the A/C off. I'd take it else where for a regas as that is a lot. Kwik fit do it for £45 I think.
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yeh i was gonna just take it there and get a re-gas. how often does it need re-gasing??
ive been intouch wiv vw dealer i bought it off anyway 2 let them know im not happy that i will have 2 pay out for anything wen after only having the car for 8 weeks!! the manager is goin to ring me 2moro so im hoping they will cough up for my local dealer to sort it. otherwise a trip to kwik fit on the cards i reckon.
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In theory it shouldn't need re-gassing at all as it is a sealed system. However they can be prone to leaks due to the use of rubber hoses and vibration etc.
They should be finding the leak prior to adding new refrigerant (gas) otherwise you will just be having to add gas again in the future. How soon depends on the size of the leak.
Not sure about vehicle air conditioning but with normal office a/c it is against the law to top up with gas wothout finding the leak.
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Be careful with just regassing!
You should really have the old oil drained and renewed from the compressor as part of the service so ask if this is included.
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Be careful with just regassing!
You should really have the old oil drained and renewed from the compressor as part of the service so ask if this is included.
As long as there is positive pressure in the system I can't see the need for this? The only reason you would need to change the oil, in this case, is if the system has been open to atmosphere. As the oil is very hygroscopic it absorbs moisture very easily which is a big no no in a refrigeration system.
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I am quoting what TT has stated here about the oil:
" You will also need to add the correct amount of compressor oil (G 052 300 A2 - and about £50 for a 250ml tin! ) - and this oil is crucial - as a lot of places (like Kwik-Fit) fail to add this when regassing".
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=112345.msg979244#msg979244
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Ok. Basically if you have a gas leak there is the potential to also lose oil which is what TT is getting at there I think. In this case the only way be sure the correct amount of oil is in there is to drain the old stuff out and add the correct amount as he says.
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The best way with air con is to have the system drained and vac'd down, they should then pressure test it with a dye to see if you have any leaks, then it will be regassed with the correct amount of oil and gas, if the oil is left out the compressor can sometimes or will fail.
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Mine's coming up to 4 years without a re-gass and works perfectly :undecided:
I would suggest that those that have needed a regass have a leak which if applicable will be a warranty repair.
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hi i posted a thread on this a couple of weeks ago just search aircon and warranty, basicaly mine stopped getting cold after only 8 weeks of ownership took it to my local aircon service place where he checked it for nothing and gas/pressure was fine so called stealers and had huge row with them as they tried charging me £100 odd to service it etc, in the end i persuaded them to take it in and have a look at it under warranty, turned out the compressor had packed in after only 37k on a 06 plate £600 odd for new compressor all done under warranty even gave system full service and re-gas etc and valeted car all for absolutely nothing= what a result and aparantly they have had a few in with this problem ,hope this helps, :smiley:
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VW recommend your A/C be serviced (re-gased etc etc) every two years.
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My aircon wouldn't blow cold last year. Took it to the dealers who diagnosed a faulty fan motor which required the dashboard to be removed to replace the motor.
Predictably once the motor was changed it still wasn't cold, so they changed the compressor which sorted the problem. All of this was done under warranty so it didn't cost me anything.
Just out of interest, I enquired about the cost when I collected the car. The service guy was telling me the figures for various parts and then labour rates. We gave up once we got to £1000!! They had my car for a week and supplied me with a courtesy car while this was being done.
Can't fault my local dealer so far (fingers crossed!)
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Also had problems with my Aircon and after inspection, my dealer replaced the compressor and other related parts. Never even hinted at charging for a regas, which was done anyway :wink:
As suggested, if your VW dealer won't do the work, go to another :smiley: :smiley:
Cass
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My A/C started making noises recently and then the noise stopped....but so did the cold air. Thought it may have been the compressor, took it into the dealers and it was completely out of gas and oil. They ran the dye through, couldn't find the leak so regassed it and it's been fine since. All done under warranty.
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im still waiting to hear from the dealer i bought it off. i would just take it back to them but its 150miles from where i live!! so basically im wanting to get it into my local dealer and for the dealer i got it off to foot the bill :smiley: didnt realise it would be this much chew to get a bit of cold air while im driving!!
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My A/C started making noises recently and then the noise stopped....but so did the cold air. Thought it may have been the compressor, took it into the dealers and it was completely out of gas and oil. They ran the dye through, couldn't find the leak so regassed it and it's been fine since. All done under warranty.
That's interesting, so you ran out of gas and they filled you up under warrenty? I don't see why they would do that . . .
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My A/C started making noises recently and then the noise stopped....but so did the cold air. Thought it may have been the compressor, took it into the dealers and it was completely out of gas and oil. They ran the dye through, couldn't find the leak so regassed it and it's been fine since. All done under warranty.
That's interesting, so you ran out of gas and they filled you up under warrenty? I don't see why they would do that . . .
Because its a sealed system and shouldn't be escaping :rolleyes:
Over a long-ish period of time the pressure will go down but it shouldn't be going down that quick that the system is in-op after two years.
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basically getting fobbed off by the dealer i got it from now, sayin that they will look at it (knowing that i live 150 miles away)! how often shoud the aircon need re-gassing? the car is jan 2007 so just over 2 years old. i think my next move will be just to take it down to kwik fit for them to check if it needs re-gassing, if so i dont mind payin the £40-odd they charge for re-gas but not £100 plus labour vw want to charge me!!!!
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I think you can buy a gauge from halfrauds to tell you the pressure of the system. After two years there will be a slight drop in performance and it would be wise to have it serviced but I've driven cars well over 5 years old that were still functioning fine if not ice ice cold. When I parted with my 8 year old mk4 the a/c was still working but was in need of a re-gas as it was cool air but not ice cold.
When the pressure drop below a certain value the ecu stops the compressor coming on, but this shouldn't be happening on mk5's (assuming normal mileage) unless there is an underlying cause as none of them are THAT old yet.
IRC with mk5's you don't even have to run it once a week like older cars to keep the oil circulated as it does it automatically. I think the compressor is running very slowly even in econ mode to keep the seals lubricated.
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As you've only had it 8 weeks you should def not be covering the cost of this even if is only a service it needs. I would have expected the dealer to make sure it was fully up to spec before selling it. Don't take no for an answer mate :smiley:
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I have had enormous problems with my AC............2006 model GTI. I discovered later that there were serious issues with a certain make of compressor fitted around 2006 and that a Technical Service Bulletin was issued in 2007 to address this problem.
My AC packed up when the car was less than 2 years old and had only about 20K Km on the clock. What had happened was that the compressor had destroyed itself and deposited all manner of sh1te throughout the AC circuit! Now a simple compressor replacement and re-gas is a complete waste of time as the sh1te in the circuit will cause a very rapid destruction of the new compressor. The solution, as outlined in the service bulletin (from page 4), is to replace the condenser (that's the radiater next to the engine cooling radiater in front of the car); replace the compressor with a different make and replace the expansion valve, together with a complete and thorough flushing of the refrigerant circuit.
My French stealers, in their wisdom, simply replaced the compressor...................3 TIMES!!!!! Imagine the cost! Fortunately all under guarantee. Anyway, before wrecking a fourth compressor they got wise and replaced the entire system! This lasted for 6 months over the Winter but when things started to warm up I realised that the cooling was not what is should be so I thought...................Merde! Here we go again! However the stealers now have a new service manager who is very much on the ball and after verifying that the gas charge was OK they quickly diagnosed the problem as a dodgy interior temperature sensor which was replaced and we now have cooling again!
I have a copy of the Technical Service Bulletin if anybody wants it (in .pdf form) but I do not know how to upload to the site.
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that will be why my 2006 gti compressor packed in then :laugh: heard there was some issue with them seems fine now all been fixed couple weeks ago and yes as someone else said the aiecon should last a fair while, my brother is a driving instructor and has a 2006 corsa with 135k on clock now and always has his aircon on constantly and he has never had it serviced or looked at since he got the car and its still fine so golf should be lasting a fair while imo
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I think you can buy a gauge from halfrauds to tell you the pressure of the system. After two years there will be a slight drop in performance and it would be wise to have it serviced but I've driven cars well over 5 years old that were still functioning fine if not ice ice cold. When I parted with my 8 year old mk4 the a/c was still working but was in need of a re-gas as it was cool air but not ice cold.
When the pressure drop below a certain value the ecu stops the compressor coming on, but this shouldn't be happening on mk5's (assuming normal mileage) unless there is an underlying cause as none of them are THAT old yet.
IRC with mk5's you don't even have to run it once a week like older cars to keep the oil circulated as it does it automatically. I think the compressor is running very slowly even in econ mode to keep the seals lubricated.
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As you've only had it 8 weeks you should def not be covering the cost of this even if is only a service it needs. I would have expected the dealer to make sure it was fully up to spec before selling it. Don't take no for an answer mate :smiley:
when i rang the dealer today they basically said that the aircon was serviced before i bought it,filters changed n all that,and it will just need a re-gas which im obliged to pay for. i reckon thats a loada s**t seeing ive only had it 8 weeks i shouldnt have to pay out for anything so soon. is there a vw head office or sumone i can deal wiv instead of the idiots at the dealership???
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I think you can buy a gauge from halfrauds to tell you the pressure of the system. After two years there will be a slight drop in performance and it would be wise to have it serviced but I've driven cars well over 5 years old that were still functioning fine if not ice ice cold. When I parted with my 8 year old mk4 the a/c was still working but was in need of a re-gas as it was cool air but not ice cold.
When the pressure drop below a certain value the ecu stops the compressor coming on, but this shouldn't be happening on mk5's (assuming normal mileage) unless there is an underlying cause as none of them are THAT old yet.
IRC with mk5's you don't even have to run it once a week like older cars to keep the oil circulated as it does it automatically. I think the compressor is running very slowly even in econ mode to keep the seals lubricated.
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As you've only had it 8 weeks you should def not be covering the cost of this even if is only a service it needs. I would have expected the dealer to make sure it was fully up to spec before selling it. Don't take no for an answer mate :smiley:
when i rang the dealer today they basically said that the aircon was serviced before i bought it,filters changed n all that,and it will just need a re-gas which im obliged to pay for. i reckon thats a loada s**t seeing ive only had it 8 weeks i shouldnt have to pay out for anything so soon. is there a vw head office or sumone i can deal wiv instead of the idiots at the dealership???
How do I contact Volkswagen Customer Care? Telephone: 0800 0833 914
Only problem is they don't seem to have a lot of power :sad: I found that they just mediate between you and the dealer, rather than instructing the dealer what to do.
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I think you can buy a gauge from halfrauds to tell you the pressure of the system. After two years there will be a slight drop in performance and it would be wise to have it serviced but I've driven cars well over 5 years old that were still functioning fine if not ice ice cold. When I parted with my 8 year old mk4 the a/c was still working but was in need of a re-gas as it was cool air but not ice cold.
When the pressure drop below a certain value the ecu stops the compressor coming on, but this shouldn't be happening on mk5's (assuming normal mileage) unless there is an underlying cause as none of them are THAT old yet.
IRC with mk5's you don't even have to run it once a week like older cars to keep the oil circulated as it does it automatically. I think the compressor is running very slowly even in econ mode to keep the seals lubricated.
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As you've only had it 8 weeks you should def not be covering the cost of this even if is only a service it needs. I would have expected the dealer to make sure it was fully up to spec before selling it. Don't take no for an answer mate :smiley:
when i rang the dealer today they basically said that the aircon was serviced before i bought it,filters changed n all that,and it will just need a re-gas which im obliged to pay for. i reckon thats a loada s**t seeing ive only had it 8 weeks i shouldnt have to pay out for anything so soon. is there a vw head office or sumone i can deal wiv instead of the idiots at the dealership???
Sounds like shyte to me too. If it was serviced before you bought it - why the hell isn't it working? If I took my car in to get the a/c serviced and it came out not working or stoped working a couple of months later I'd be suspicious...
If its a VW approved used I would have thought that head office will make the dealer get the car up to scratch, they are making a mockery of the principle that buying a used car from the main dealer will guarantee you get a problem free car..
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I think you can buy a gauge from halfrauds to tell you the pressure of the system. After two years there will be a slight drop in performance and it would be wise to have it serviced but I've driven cars well over 5 years old that were still functioning fine if not ice ice cold. When I parted with my 8 year old mk4 the a/c was still working but was in need of a re-gas as it was cool air but not ice cold.
When the pressure drop below a certain value the ecu stops the compressor coming on, but this shouldn't be happening on mk5's (assuming normal mileage) unless there is an underlying cause as none of them are THAT old yet.
IRC with mk5's you don't even have to run it once a week like older cars to keep the oil circulated as it does it automatically. I think the compressor is running very slowly even in econ mode to keep the seals lubricated.
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As you've only had it 8 weeks you should def not be covering the cost of this even if is only a service it needs. I would have expected the dealer to make sure it was fully up to spec before selling it. Don't take no for an answer mate :smiley:
when i rang the dealer today they basically said that the aircon was serviced before i bought it,filters changed n all that,and it will just need a re-gas which im obliged to pay for. i reckon thats a loada s**t seeing ive only had it 8 weeks i shouldnt have to pay out for anything so soon. is there a vw head office or sumone i can deal wiv instead of the idiots at the dealership???
Sounds like shyte to me too. If it was serviced before you bought it - why the hell isn't it working? If I took my car in to get the a/c serviced and it came out not working or stoped working a couple of months later I'd be suspicious...
If its a VW approved used I would have thought that head office will make the dealer get the car up to scratch, they are making a mockery of the principle that buying a used car from the main dealer will guarantee you get a problem free car..
yeh thats exactly wot i think. and yeah it is a vw approved used car. if i lived near the dealer i bought it from then i would be there demanding they sort it, but as i travelled to buy the car, 150 miles, trying to get my local dealer to do summat is proving a pain in the arse!