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General => The garage => Topic started by: Mikester on 13 April 2009, 22:51

Title: Mk3 VR and 8v Subframes
Post by: Mikester on 13 April 2009, 22:51

Will the VR Bolt straight to the subframe in my 8v gti? Or do they differ?

Same for drive shafts? is there a difference.

Cheers

Mike

Title: Re: Mk3 VR and 8v Subframes
Post by: Wayne on 13 April 2009, 23:20

I believe both are different.

Title: Re: Mk3 VR and 8v Subframes
Post by: Mikester on 13 April 2009, 23:26

Hmmmm interesting. Thought the drive shafts might be, but not the sub frame.

Title: Re: Mk3 VR and 8v Subframes
Post by: Wayne on 13 April 2009, 23:33

Just checked vagcat, looks like the subframe is the same (1H0199315AA) however engine carrier is different.

VR6 : 1H0199200P

GTI : 1H0199200N

Shows lots of different part numbers for the drave shafts so I think they may be different.

Title: Re: Mk3 VR and 8v Subframes
Post by: Wayne on 13 April 2009, 23:36

Engine carrier is 1a.

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p51/jmfangio5/199200.png)

Title: Re: Mk3 VR and 8v Subframes
Post by: Mikester on 13 April 2009, 23:38

Cheers! Good info there.

Might have to change the carrier then. Got a mate breaking a VR, so i can swap it from there.

Thinking about fitting a solid mount too? thoughts?

Going to be collecting the parts for the conversion over the next few months, and fit it with a very very handy mate towards the end of summer.

Title: Re: Mk3 VR and 8v Subframes
Post by: Mikester on 13 April 2009, 23:42

Fair enough, my mate just fitted one to his 8v mk2, rates them, but i have enough vibration as it is.

Might not be a good idea.

Title: Re: Mk3 VR and 8v Subframes
Post by: Wayne on 13 April 2009, 23:45

Quote from: Mikester on 13 April 2009, 23:42

Fair enough, my mate just fitted one to his 8v mk2, rates them, but i have enough vibration as it is.

Might not be a good idea.

I would not use one but its your choice.

Title: Re: Mk3 VR and 8v Subframes
Post by: danny_p on 14 April 2009, 00:34

subframe is compatable iirc  frount crossmember diffrent

soild frount mounts are bad unless both rear mounts are good the bracket on the frount mount will snap at a later date

Title: Re: Mk3 VR and 8v Subframes
Post by: Mikester on 14 April 2009, 19:19

So it should fit onto my 8v Subframe then? No need to find extra parts.

Title: Re: Mk3 VR and 8v Subframes
Post by: Wayne on 14 April 2009, 21:13

Quote from: Mikester on 14 April 2009, 19:19

So it should fit onto my 8v Subframe then? No need to find extra parts.

Not sure I still think the engine carrier is different.

Title: Re: Mk3 VR and 8v Subframes
Post by: rubjonny on 15 April 2009, 08:07

looking at vag-cat, rear subframes are the same on all MK3s.  The front subframer has 2 part numbers, one listed for all models including the VR6, and another seperate one for the VR6.  Doesnt say what the difference is:

(1) 1H0199200P - engine carrier with rubber mounting
/ ABF,AAA,ADZ, AEA,ADY,AEK, ABU,2E,AEP, AAC, diesel eng.: 1Y,AAZ,1Z

(1) 1H0199200N - engine carrier with rubber mounting
/ AAA

Title: Re: Mk3 VR and 8v Subframes
Post by: Adam on 15 April 2009, 10:38

The carrier is the same but the "Bonded rubber mounting" is different.
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2725/56299725.jpg)

Title: Re: Mk3 VR and 8v Subframes
Post by: Mikester on 15 April 2009, 18:57

So the differnece is just the mount?

Title: Re: Mk3 VR and 8v Subframes
Post by: rubjonny on 16 April 2009, 09:36

like i say, according to etka there is a front subframe that is common to all models, and another that is VR specific but it doesnt say why.  so yes with an engine mount swap it'll fit your subframe unless there is something we missed. trouble is i cant get to etak/etos at the moment so I'm relying on vag-cat which is quite hard to make out some times

Title: Re: Mk3 VR and 8v Subframes
Post by: rubjonny on 16 April 2009, 14:45

Aha! I finally got ETOS back up and I can now see the 1H0199200P is not listed for the VR6, 1H0199200N is the correct VR6 part number.
Cant tell you whats different about it though, might just be it has some kind of balance weight on it or something.  Looking at the ETKA diagram posted by 8v8v, you can see part #7 is only listed for the VR6, so this could be the reason for it.  You might be able to chuck the VR on a normal MK3 front engine mount though, but Id assume the limit stop is there to prevent the engine lifting up too much so its probably a good idea to use the correct front subframe.

Title: Re: Mk3 VR and 8v Subframes
Post by: Mikester on 16 April 2009, 20:16

Cheers for all this info.

Will get hold of a subframe and VR engine mount. And if i need it, i need it i suppose. Just incase.

But will get new mounts obvs when i fit it.

Cheers again :D