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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Egbutt Wash on 27 March 2009, 15:31
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The reviews of the Mk6 GTI make much of the ACC.
The prices quoted by the magazines assume it is standard, it is not.
Costing an extra £705 it is not something I would opt for.
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I am confussed by the ACC! Doesnt't take much to confuse me to be honest!!! But back to the matter in hand, does the GTI (no ACC ordered) have the same set up and handling as if in sport mode with ACC ordered or does the car handle less well ie. like normal mode on ACC?
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I am confussed by the ACC! Doesnt't take much to confuse me to be honest!!! But back to the matter in hand, does the GTI (no ACC ordered) have the same set up and handling as if in sport mode with ACC ordered or does the car handle less well ie. like normal mode on ACC?
A good question.
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Without ACC the ride is set to the normal mode with ACC. I can't remember the source but I read it somewhere.
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Also seems highline is listed on the site under standard equipment but on the price list its listed as optional odd.
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Without ACC the ride is set to the normal mode with ACC. I can't remember the source but I read it somewhere.
It also just makes sense.
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any mkvi owners with ACC out there? how do you find it?
i'm trying to decide on whether it is worth it.
cheers!
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I've tried it, i thought it was great. Comfort mode is so silent at speeds way beyond the legal limit (tested to 130mph!) and when you get to the fun roads, once you remember to press the button (which i forgot to do on the first lap) it noticeably tightens up and the reduced bodyroll really killed the understeer.
If I was ordering one i'd definitely choose to spend the £705 on ACC rather than something like satnav or some winter/sound pack. If I could only afford one option though.. I'd struggle to decide between ACC or xenons..
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I'm about to order one. If it was just me, I'd leave it. But I have a very elderly mother who complains about the slightest bump, so I'm getting it to keep her happy in "comfort" mode.
The car I test drove didn't have it but the dealer said the cars without it are the same as the "normal" mode. So the ACC cars can go either sportier or more comfortable.
I think I'm going to drop a little hint that mother might like to pay for the specs she has added to this car....
Rolfe.
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rofl!
i'm sure your mother would then point out all the outlay she spent on your childhood etc etc.
but back on topic i had read that the ACC normal mode is actually an adjustable one, i.e. even without pressing a button, it will firm up the suspension if it thinks you're pressing on a bit. however you don't get the sharper steering of the sport mode.
comfort mode would be good when on motorways and around london there are soooo many speed bumps.
i do do the odd track day so i suspect ACC is a good option to have and by and large it has either had neutral or positive reviews, well at least no-one hates it! if i can get a good deal then i'll get it i think.
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Just bought a MKVI without it, px'd a Scirocco with it.
It's definitely a good bit of kit and does what it says on the tin but I opted without it and don't miss it all all. The standard ride is great on the road, slightly choppy around town on the 18"'s.
For Rolfe with her mum and matey doing track days then yes get it, it works. For me and most others, I wouldn't bother.
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...but worth it.
Normal is much the same as the mk5.
But on a rainy Monday morning on the way to work...
Or on a summer day on the B roads..
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I also think its worth it if you live in london. The roads here are so poor and large speed bumps so commonplace that the comfort mode would be welcome.
Couple that with 18inch wheels and it becomes very desirable indeed.
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I was just wondering whether the ACC affects the speed of the car in its various modes? On another matter, I was reading the other day, the bigger the rims, the less speed you get but better control? Is this true?
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I was just wondering whether the ACC affects the speed of the car in its various modes? On another matter, I was reading the other day, the bigger the rims, the less speed you get but better control? Is this true?
I don't think ACC will affect the actual speed of the car, just the respsonses.
The bigger the rims the more the unsprung weight, so yes it will slightly affect speed and acceleration. If you look at the car Russ Swift used on the forum day it had 17s on for better control and the others had 18s on for looks. Plus there was the infamous EVO magazine tyre test where they said the car was faster around the track with 17s on. So there's an answer for you.
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oooow... thanks for the responses... hmmm I had asked the dealer about it too before i made the order. He said most people would opt for the 18s as they offer more control and allows the car to be more stable at higher speeds. I said I would prefer to have the 17s and he replied, thats why it was good I chose the car with the ACC for comfort... From what you are telling me the 17s are the best sized rims... as it offers both speed and control... sob sob sob
If the 18s are only for looks... sigh... too late...
HM
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I was looking at videos of the car in motion. While I can tell the shadow wheels quite easily when the car is stationary, I absolutely can't when it is moving.
In another thread, a poster incorrectly identified the 18s as 17s in a picture of a stationary car.
If it's only for looks (and I was certainly informed by the delaer that the 17s offer a smoother ride), then it doesn't seem a lot for £415.
Of course there are two differences - the shadow trim, and the size. I wonder how much extra the shadow trims would have been on 17" wheels?
Rolfe.
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Of course there are two differences - the shadow trim, and the size. I wonder how much extra the shadow trims would have been on 17" wheels?
Rolfe.
If I am not mistaken on the 18s, the trim is painted black whereas the 17s are grey. Size wise the tyres are thinner compared to the 17s. Yup, smoother ride is better with the 17s. But my dealer said one would go faster and have greater control if you had 18s... so as a guy, I was sold at that point... ha ha ha... Am only regretting now that I am hearing that the 17s gives you the speed and control.
HM
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the difference on speed and control between the 18s and 17s will be minimal i doubt that you'll be able to notice it. yet the difference visually between the 18s and 17s is massive in my opinion - the 18s are a must have!!
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But thats not what Exonian quoted EVO magazine which says that the 17s were faster on the track....
Exonian: How much faster did the EVO mag say it was for the 17s compared to the 18s? If it were only by 0.01 seconds... Then I think the point is moot!. :drool:
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the difference on speed and control between the 18s and 17s will be minimal i doubt that you'll be able to notice it. yet the difference visually between the 18s and 17s is massive in my opinion - the 18s are a must have!!
As a normal road user I doubt you'd notice the difference between the 17s and 18s. I've changed the 17s on both my mk5s to 18s (for looks!!!) and the ride is much the same. The roads in the UK are so bad you could have 15s on there and still need regular dentist work where your fillings have rattled loose.
The 18s look better full stop. 19s would look even better again :evil:oooow... thanks for the responses... hmmm I had asked the dealer about it too before i made the order. He said most people would opt for the 18s as they offer more control and allows the car to be more stable at higher speeds. I said I would prefer to have the 17s and he replied, thats why it was good I chose the car with the ACC for comfort... From what you are telling me the 17s are the best sized rims... as it offers both speed and control... sob sob sob
If the 18s are only for looks... sigh... too late...
HM
I can't find the EVO test now online, it was about 2007 using a Golf GTI (same basic chassis as mk6) where they tested a load of tyres against each other on 18'' rims, then chucked on a set of 17s to see the difference and it was about 1.5 seconds around the track quicker.
Don't listen to dealers too much as they tend to talk sh!te. The salesman who took me out in a mk6 GTI told me the car had more torque than my mk5 as it had a supercharger as well as a turbo. Yeah okay.
Once again, the 18s look better!
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i agree, why they don't have an option for 19s i don't know, i couldn't care less if the ride is harder or not, you soon get used to that - big alloys far outweigh any so called disruption to the ride!!
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i agree, why they don't have an option for 19s i don't know, i couldn't care less if the ride is harder or not, you soon get used to that - big alloys far outweigh any so called disruption to the ride!!
I reckon it'll be on the cards as an option with the R model. The Scirocco can be ordered with 19s and there are also an option on the Scirocco R so therefore.......fingers crossed.......
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The salesman who took me out in a mk6 GTI told me the car had more torque than my mk5 as it had a supercharger as well as a turbo. Yeah okay.
Me on mk5 test drive: "so how many valves per cylinder does this new engine have?"
salesman: "i'd have to check but i think it's about 50"
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Here we go again, no body is allowed to have an objective view without someone else knocking them!!! So what if 17's are a tad faster? if you like 18's which I do what is point something of a second going to matter? it's not as if I am going to be racing the car I have bought mine because I love the look of it with the 18's.
It's like going to a restaurant and being told not to order something cos someone else doesn't like it. For goodness sake we are all different and VW have given us the choice of wheels. :angry: :angry: :angry:
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Where's the knocking? I didn't see an argument here? :huh:
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do we know what the R model spec will be yet and when its out? will it be the equivalent of the Ed30 for the mk5? didn't like the alloys on the ed30 :-)
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Only heresay so far. The full details of the Scirocco are released and I doublt it will be that much different spec wise, just unique wheels I reckon.
I much preferred the black Monzas on the Euro ED30s myself.
Depending on what forum you visit, they reckon the Golf R could be revealed at the Frankfurt motorshow later this year, so probably available next Spring/Summer in the UK (Germany maybe early next year?).
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that's still a way away then. trouble with these faster editions, for me anyway, is the fuel consumption. the r32 for eg was a peach of a car but thirsty as anything. and i do quite a few miles everyday so its weighing up the speed/performance against visits to the the petrol station! and you can't drive a gti/ed30/r32 or whatever like miss daisy, they deserve to be driven hard!! the R will certainly look good though i have no doubt! i'll stick to a plain old mk6 gti for the time being!!
man, i want my new car now instead of having to wait till the end of sep....
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I believe I saw a car with monza shadows on the other day but instead of being silver with the black shadow these were all black, I thought they looked quite nice are they a VW option or just a copy by some other manufacturer anyone?
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VW did/do offer Monzas in black for MK5, not sure if they still do or not.
Yes you can get copies in black plenty of them about!
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I want it in black. I think the united grey would look so much better in black rims. Well, I hate to blame the dealership again but they told me it comes only in the silver for the mkVIs... sigh... Well I will go hunt for the blacks and see whether I can trade them in.. wish me luck since I dont speak dutch!!..
HM
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The black Monzas are called Detroits I think and are dealer fit rather than factory. They cost ££££ but I reckon if you have specified Shadows on your car and ask if they could do a deal you never know. More likely if they already have a set in stock which is unlikely.
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Nice one, this is what I like about this forum somebody always knows the answer, so cheers lads I shall be off hunting for some black alloys :laugh:
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Nice one, this is what I like about this forum somebody always knows the answer, so cheers lads I shall be off hunting for some black alloys :laugh:
I totally agree with you. This is a great forum.
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Nice one, this is what I like about this forum somebody always knows the answer, so cheers lads I shall be off hunting for some black alloys :laugh:
I totally agree with you. This is a great forum.
Agree, the people that contribute make it good though so thank yourselves too!
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There's a little link in my signature if you wish to show gratitude to the forum :wink: All for charity!
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:grin: Subtle Toph :afro:
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all down to your inspiration :tongue:
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Didnt I mention that this forum is also funny... other than being insightful...
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double value for money then = bigger donation to the chariteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :afro:
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Didnt I mention that this forum is also funny... other than being insightful...
Don't or you'll get all the jokes flooding in in good and poor taste.....
Hey, you know what really caused Michael Jacksons heart attack? He found out Boys 2 Men was a pop group and not a delivery service. Sorry, couldn't resist.....
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noooooooooooooooooooooooo...... It has started...... People reading this bit will be confused... this has nothing to do with ACC at the moment....
In order to steer us back to the topic.... I hear folks in the US will not be given this option. Perhaps our distant cousins are not as sophisticated... he he he
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Nah they just don't have any roads with bends in them.
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Nah they just don't have any roads with bends in them.
Or drive faster than 55mph!
Anyway, I STILL wouldn't bother with ACC unless I had to cart Rolfs mum around. :grin:
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Neither would I! :rolleyes:
Rolfe.
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Nice one Gossa about Rolfe`s mom... ha ha ha
But I thought Americans love raw power over anything else. So the ACC should give them some form of control... and bring elegance to their driving. Without ACC they will never appreciate precision driving... he he he