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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: Rhyso on 25 March 2009, 19:52
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its projects like these
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/139782.aspx
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/193610.aspx
and my favourite
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/169601.aspx?PageIndex=1
:evil: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
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Fooking hell i need to go for a spin in those :laugh:
When do you start yours then? :evil:
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Fooking hell i need to go for a spin in those :laugh:
When do you start yours then? :evil:
i'm already looking at things i know i shouldn't :lipsrsealed:
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Fooking hell i need to go for a spin in those :laugh:
When do you start yours then? :evil:
i'm already looking at things i know i shouldn't :lipsrsealed:
He he! :evil: :evil:
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t318/richw911/slope.jpg)
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i remapped my petrol engine with a chisel and some pig fat, it now has 437 bhp at the wheels, oh wait......... that was a dream, those cars look beastly, but i just dont like the idea of a diesel, i have an oil burner myself, (its a peugeot 306, i meant aswell as the mk 4 1.8t) but petrol all the way, its just heavenly
jack
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400lbs ft of torque that is mad.
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400lbs ft of torque that is mad.
know that would pin you back in ur seat :cool:
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yeah that is truley mental and he prob still gets good MPG :grin:
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yeah that is truley mental and he prob still gets good MPG :grin:
think he mentions he still sees over 45mpg on a cruise :smug: :grin: :grin:
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tbh things have advanced so much with diesel and as the build shows can get just as much power and a piss load of tourqe!
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tbh things have advanced so much with diesel and as the build shows can get just as much power and a piss load of tourqe!
yeah its more expensive to tune a diesel but as the projects show the results are worth it
now where did i put my hybrid turbo.........
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tbh things have advanced so much with diesel and as the build shows can get just as much power and a piss load of tourqe!
Rhys has been telling me for the last 2 years...... :laugh:
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tbh things have advanced so much with diesel and as the build shows can get just as much power and a piss load of tourqe!
Rhys has been telling me for the last 2 years...... :laugh:
plant seeds and they will grow :tongue: :wink:
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bet he is getting more mpg, looks like a farm hmmmm anyone for red :laugh:
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forgot to include my favourite DERV
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/169601.aspx?PageIndex=1
:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
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tbh things have advanced so much with diesel and as the build shows can get just as much power and a piss load of tourqe!
Rhys has been telling me for the last 2 years...... :laugh:
plant seeds and they will grow :tongue: :wink:
Ive got a tree.... :grin: :grin: :grin:
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forgot to include my favourite DERV
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/169601.aspx?PageIndex=1
:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
That is just awsome :drool: :drool: :drool: :afro:
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forgot to include my favourite DERV
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/169601.aspx?PageIndex=1
:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
That is just awsome :drool: :drool: :drool: :afro:
Aye, I think that's my favourite TDI thread.
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For similar money and a petrol, what would you get? :evil:
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forgot to include my favourite DERV
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/169601.aspx?PageIndex=1
:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
Oh thats V nice. :cool:
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All of them are mint :cool: :cool: :cool:
with a hybrid turbo I'd be changing the tyres every month :lipsrsealed:
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DO IT!!!
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I want a Hybrid turbo now :grin: :grin:
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I dont understand the fuss :undecided:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/cossie_power/Golf%20mods/Rollingroad.jpg)
What a poor power band, peak torque at 2800rpm and its all gone by another 1500 rpm and the bhp figure is even worse :shocked:
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what don't you get?? :undecided:
with one project you get 250bhp, 400lbs ft torque and 45mpg to the gallon
yes the power band is narrow but with 400lbs ft you make plenty of progress in a small space of time :tongue:
plus its a lot of fun putting a few 'hot hatches' in their place :tongue:
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You know what response your going to get now, dont you :grin: :grin:
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You know what response your going to get now, dont you :grin: :grin:
Something about a CTR? :undecided:
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You know what response your going to get now, dont you :grin: :grin:
Something about a CTR? :undecided:
should have bought a faster car :undecided:
BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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should have bought a faster car :undecided:
BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats the one :grin:
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should have bought a faster car :undecided:
BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats the one :grin:
do i win a prize? :grin: :grin:
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I dont own a ctr :undecided:
Its still a poor power curve with a very short amount of power to use. Hardly makes for a fun drive, power is not everything, how a car delivers it is just as important (why i didnt buy a new S3, soulless engine and power delivery!)
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I dont own a ctr :undecided:
Its still a poor power curve with a very short amount of power to use. Hardly makes for a fun drive, power is not everything, how a car delivers it is just as important (why i didnt buy a new S3, soulless engine and power delivery!)
the skill comes in driving around it
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fenwick458/Remap.jpg)
the power is still in a much more accessible power band than most cars
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here's my old curve
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y276/Rhyso/JKMRollingRoad.jpg)
hoping for a better one on Saturday :smiley:
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I dont own a ctr :undecided:
I know.
That doesn't stop you typing about how fast thay are tho :undecided:
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Never said they were fast, both a ctr or a remapped gti are not fast cars. I have said a ctr is faster than a mk4 gti, which it is :undecided:
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Never said they were fast, both a ctr or a remapped gti are not fast cars. I have said a ctr is faster than a mk4 gti, which it is :undecided:
glad we cleared that up
now back to why DERV is the future..................
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should have bought a faster car :undecided:
BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats the one :grin:
do i win a prize? :grin: :grin:
You can inhale some of my smoke on the rr :grin:
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Seeing as diesel is banned in most major US cities due to how harmful it is, i cant see it being the future at all. Recent test have shown how seriously ill diesel particulates make you if exposed for too long.
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Seeing as diesel is banned in most major US cities due to how harmful it is, i cant see it being the future at all. Recent test have shown how seriously ill diesel particulates make you if exposed for too long.
well we don't live in America now do we :rolleyes: and none of us are going to be around to witness its long term effects
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Doesn't seem to bother farmers either!
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should have bought a faster car :undecided:
BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats the one :grin:
do i win a prize? :grin: :grin:
You can inhale some of my smoke on the rr :grin:
hope you only use premium diesel - i don't smoke anything else :tongue:
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Doesn't seem to bother farmers either!
Farmers use Red diesel iirc
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Doesn't seem to bother farmers either!
Farmers use Red diesel iirc
which is just as harmful - better watch that veg you eat :tongue:
anyway just for those that missed it i started this thread to show what can be acheived with a diesel engine - yes its not cheap but who cares when you got 400lbs ft ripping up the tarmac :evil:
donations for my hybrid turbo are greatfully received :smiley:
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What's more impressive is that one of those dervs started off as a 115!
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Seeing as diesel is banned in most major US cities due to how harmful it is, i cant see it being the future at all. Recent test have shown how seriously ill diesel particulates make you if exposed for too long.
American propaganda so that they can keep their 6.9L V8's because its less harmful than a diesel :wink:
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I'd love too drive one. To be honest I can't see how a golf is able to put down such a sharp hike in torque. Even with LSD the front end is going to throw a wobbly and you'll have to power on very gently IMO.
Any ideas how much it cost to get those figures?
Is there any way of smoothing out the power delivery with a tuned diesel? the peak figures are very impressive but VERY 'peaky' that is some torque jump. Personally i'd rather have a longer power curve.
Not bad for a whimpy diesel mind.peak figures on the rollers but then actually see how it
I'm hoping R-tech are still going to do a virtual race as they mentioned a while back so we get peak figures on the rollers but then actually see how it works out on the tarmac!
Sam
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Seeing as diesel is banned in most major US cities due to how harmful it is, i cant see it being the future at all. Recent test have shown how seriously ill diesel particulates make you if exposed for too long.
American propaganda so that they can keep their 6.9L V8's because its less harmful than a diesel :wink:
LPG and biodiesel actually, huge amounts of funding have gone into both. Diesels are expensive to make, buy and run unless you do lots of miles a year, even then it takes a while to break even over a petrol (on 99% of cars)
Would rather have a petrol with strong linear power delivery and manageable torque over a more than a distance of 2.5k RPM
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I'd love too drive one. To be honest I can't see how a golf is able to put down such a sharp hike in torque. Even with LSD the front end is going to throw a wobbly and you'll have to power on very gently IMO.
Any ideas how much it cost to get those figures?
Is there any way of smoothing out the power delivery with a tuned diesel? the peak figures are very impressive but VERY 'peaky' that is some torque jump. Personally i'd rather have a longer power curve.
Not bad for a whimpy diesel mind.peak figures on the rollers but then actually see how it
I'm hoping R-tech are still going to do a virtual race as they mentioned a while back so we get peak figures on the rollers but then actually see how it works out on the tarmac!
Sam
hybrid turbo starts at approx £400 providing your own turbo is in good nick. What most tend to do is buy a 2nd hand unit and get that done so your car isn't off the road for long
obviously need an uprated clutch so budget another £700 or so
not sure how critical a FMIC is so depending on your base model you might want one of them
then you need to get it lived map which is another £400 plus
i'd say about 2.5K in all and you can get it mapped how you want
i'd prefer a much lower peak torque figure but over a wider band :smiley:
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Seeing as diesel is banned in most major US cities due to how harmful it is, i cant see it being the future at all. Recent test have shown how seriously ill diesel particulates make you if exposed for too long.
American propaganda so that they can keep their 6.9L V8's because its less harmful than a diesel :wink:
LPG and biodiesel actually, huge amounts of funding have gone into both. Diesels are expensive to make, buy and run unless you do lots of miles a year, even then it takes a while to break even over a petrol (on 99% of cars)
Would rather have a petrol with strong linear power delivery and manageable torque over a more than a distance of 2.5k RPM
i didn't start this thread as a diesel vs other fuels debate
i started it as to highlight how many people are actually taking an interest and pushing diesel performance
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£2.5k? I reckon you could add a few more grand to that TBH. FMIC would be a must IMO. For a start the 150 pd has it so it must be needed higher up the scale, if your compressing alot of air it will get warm, plus the exhaust is cooking it through the turbo!
Are they able to adjust the torque curve through the map rhyso do you know?
I was following fenwicks build for a bit but came over here and started giving you lot grief instead... :smug:
Certainly as you say, good for pushing the boundaries of diesel tuning. I remeber VW using the mk4 diesel golf in the rally stages, it was a first at the time!
So, even though diesel is for whimps, i'm quite interested in all this!!
Sam
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Pretty inevitable with the title having the underlying meaning of the death of other fuels in the future i.e. Diesel being the number one choice.
Could have been worse, nearly ended up being a ctr vs gti thread. We haven't had one for a week :rolleyes:
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£2.5k? I reckon you could add a few more grand to that TBH. FMIC would be a must IMO. For a start the 150 pd has it so it must be needed higher up the scale, if your compressing alot of air it will get warm, plus the exhaust is cooking it through the turbo!
Are they able to adjust the torque curve through the map rhyso do you know?
I was following fenwicks build for a bit but came over here and started giving you lot grief instead... :smug:
Certainly as you say, good for pushing the boundaries of diesel tuning. I remeber VW using the mk4 diesel golf in the rally stages, it was a first at the time!
So, even though diesel is for whimps, i'm quite interested in all this!!
Sam
all depends on the power you're pushing - i've been considering the hybrid option but i'd look for around 220bhp - at that power i'd probably look at an uprated side mount unless the price difference was negligable
Hybrid turbo - 1K
Clutch - £700-1,000
Cooler Approx £500
Remap - £500
Turbo back exhaust - £500
ok so over 3K.. :lipsrsealed: plus you need brakes and suspension but most people do that as a matter of course anyway :smiley:
i'm under the impression you can have it mapped exactly as you want it :smiley: a tuner worth his salt will be able to adjust things :wink:
most get remapped via rolling road and live road mapping
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you'll also need a exhaust and a de-cat and then fitting ontop
heres the price list from the Derv Doctor
Phase 4
As Phase 3 , plus ERL water injection system, enlarged injector assemble, modified inlet manifold and a custom re-map and a Helix Clutch and flywheel assemble. Phase 4 can provide up to 245 BHP
New Garrett Hybrid Turbo :- £975 Plus VAT and £140 plus VAT fitting (Exchange Units available)
Helix Clutch and flywheel assemble:- £710 Plus VAT and Fitting
ERL water injection system and water tank £495 Plus VAT fitted.
ECU Re-Map:- £395 plus VAT,
Panel Filter:- £40 plus VAT
Milltek Down Pipe:- £124.10 Plus VAT,
Cat-back System:- £270.91 Plus VAT
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Just thought i would highlight what was said in that GTI thing in Auto Express about the mk4 1.8t GTI "This model was never really a true hot hatch, and later high powered diesel variants are arguably the most involving" the GTI boys are gonna love that :tongue:
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Diesel FTW :cool: :cool: :wink:
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Extra 3k :shocked: :shocked: that will push rhyso mark golf into the same cost catagory as a ferrari or porshe :lipsrsealed: :wink:
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Extra 3k :shocked: :shocked: that will push rhyso mark golf into the same cost catagory as a ferrari or porshe :lipsrsealed: :wink:
:grin: :grin: :grin: a Porsche 924 :lipsrsealed:
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Extra 3k :shocked: :shocked: that will push rhyso mark golf into the same cost catagory as a ferrari or porshe :lipsrsealed: :wink:
i've got most of the bits done.....just need turbo, cooler, turbo back exhaust and remap
as i've said earlier - all donations greatly received :grin: :grin:
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Extra 3k :shocked: :shocked: that will push rhyso mark golf into the same cost catagory as a ferrari or porshe :lipsrsealed: :wink:
:grin: :grin: :grin: a Porsche 924 :lipsrsealed:
nah he gotta be upto 20K already :wink:
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Extra 3k :shocked: :shocked: that will push rhyso mark golf into the same cost catagory as a ferrari or porshe :lipsrsealed: :wink:
:grin: :grin: :grin: a Porsche 924 :lipsrsealed:
nah he gotta be upto 20K already :wink:
haha its nowhere near that much!
including purchase price it is over 10K though........ :lipsrsealed:
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Extra 3k :shocked: :shocked: that will push rhyso mark golf into the same cost catagory as a ferrari or porshe :lipsrsealed: :wink:
:grin: :grin: :grin: a Porsche 924 :lipsrsealed:
nah he gotta be upto 20K already :wink:
haha its nowhere near that much!
including purchase price it is over 10K though........ :lipsrsealed:
still need to pay his fitting invoices to me though :lipsrsealed: :grin:
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Extra 3k :shocked: :shocked: that will push rhyso mark golf into the same cost catagory as a ferrari or porshe :lipsrsealed: :wink:
:grin: :grin: :grin: a Porsche 924 :lipsrsealed:
nah he gotta be upto 20K already :wink:
haha its nowhere near that much!
including purchase price it is over 10K though........ :lipsrsealed:
still need to pay his fitting invoices to me though :lipsrsealed: :grin:
what fitting invoices?? you've had your choccy bics - what more do you want!? :laugh:
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hmm wonders where he can get 3500k for a stage 4 :sick:
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just in case you all forgot
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y276/Rhyso/R-TechRRDay.jpg)
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In case we all forgot your name :wink:
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I spoke to derv doctor and was given the same price but also they mentioned at phase 5, 265bhp but there was no price for that on the email just said quoted on asking :sick:
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I got that in the email, its bound to be very expensive :lipsrsealed:
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I got that in the email, its bound to be very expensive :lipsrsealed:
Indeed think a phase 4 is more likely on the cards :) Phase 5 maybe a step to far for my bank account lol
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I'm about to go hybrid myself and so I can give a pretty accurate brake down of the costs involved..
Now I think it's unfair to include cost that aren't specifically for the hybrid upgrade. Most people with a remapped 130 or 150 will (or should) have already sorted their brakes, panel filter and de-cat just to be able to get the best out of the standard turbo. Also as many people find out, the standard clutch doesn't last too long on a strong remap so you'd be changing it sooner or later anyway..
If your a 150 owner you don't need a new FMIC, but probably some upgraded pipework.
Mines a 130 so here's my breakdown...
Stage 2 Turbo Conversion at Turbo Dynamics £525
Forge FMIC (inc pipework) £440
Sachs Performance Clutch £660 (I don't think this is even a hybrid specific cost)
Remap £200-£350
Bits and pieces (replacement oil feed pipe, gaskets, oil change etc..) £100
Total Cost = £2320 inc Vat (If you own a 150 and have already done your clutch then it's as low as £1300!)
Results = 230-250bhp & 350-400+lbft :evil:
So for me coming from a 130bhp car, I'll have got a 92% increase in power
I'd say a bargin compared to what sort of gains you'd get from a lot of other cars for the same investment. Oh and I'll still be getting 50mpg when I want to... :cool:
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I'm about to go hybrid myself and so I can give a pretty accurate brake down of the costs involved..
Now I think it's unfair to include cost that aren't specifically for the hybrid upgrade. Most people with a remapped 130 or 150 will (or should) have already sorted their brakes, panel filter and de-cat just to be able to get the best out of the standard turbo. Also as many people find out, the standard clutch doesn't last too long on a strong remap so you'd be changing it sooner or later anyway..
If your a 150 owner you don't need a new FMIC, but probably some upgraded pipework.
Mines a 130 so here's my breakdown...
Stage 2 Turbo Conversion at Turbo Dynamics £525
Forge FMIC (inc pipework) £440
Sachs Performance Clutch £660 (I don't think this is even a hybrid specific cost)
Remap £200-£350
Bits and pieces (replacement oil feed pipe, gaskets, oil change etc..) £100
Total Cost = £2320 inc Vat (If you own a 150 and have already done your clutch then it's as low as £1300!)
Results = 230-250bhp & 350-400+lbft (over a maximum of 800rpms) :evil:
So for me coming from a 130bhp car, I'll have got a 92% increase in power
I'd say a bargin compared to what sort of gains you'd get from a lot of other cars for the same investment. Oh and I'll still be getting 50mpg when I want to... :cool:
Fixed :wink:
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And over what rpm range does the average 1.8T/2.8/R32 have it's max power?
If all your on about is the range where your getting absolute max power then it's going to be small on all engines. If a TDI engine is tuned well then you can spread the power out a lot better then you seem to want to believe.
My TDI pulls hard from 2000rpm right up to about 3800rpm and don't forget you haveto take into account the different gearing of a diesel to make use of the shorter rev range.
But in the end I don't think this thread being about Diesel v Petrol (like that's not been done to death a million times ZZZzzzzzzzz.........). It's about the advances being made for quite small amounts of money and effort in diesel tuning. I reckon if you doubled the power of your R32 you'd be pretty happy too?
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And over what rpm range does the average 1.8T/2.8/R32 have it's max power?
If all your on about is the range where your getting absolute max power then it's going to be small on all engines. If a TDI engine is tuned well then you can spread the power out a lot better then you seem to want to believe.
My TDI pulls hard from 2000rpm right up to about 3800rpm and don't forget you haveto take into account the different gearing of a diesel to make use of the shorter rev range.
But in the end I don't think this thread being about Diesel v Petrol (like that's not been done to death a million times ZZZzzzzzzzz.........). It's about the advances being made for quite small amounts of money and effort in diesel tuning. I reckon if you doubled the power of your R32 you'd be pretty happy too?
Of course, i would have 500bhp that was fully usable through 4wd :evil:
Always makes me chuckle diesel owners going on about torque, when i have loads of torque and bhp through a much larger spread or rpm's (irrelevant of gearing) I dont see the point in them. Im allowed not to like them, its a rubbish fuel that has awful affects on people and is dirty, smelly and expensive!
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My TDI pulls hard from 2000rpm right up to about 3800rpm and don't forget you haveto take into account the different gearing of a diesel to make use of the shorter rev range.
My tdi pulls all the way through the rev range ..since being R_tech'd of course
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But in the end I don't think this thread being about Diesel v Petrol (like that's not been done to death a million times ZZZzzzzzzzz.........). It's about the advances being made for quite small amounts of money and effort in diesel tuning. I reckon if you doubled the power of your R32 you'd be pretty happy too?
spot on - its exactly why i started this thread
Of course, i would have 500bhp that was fully usable through semi 4wd :evil:
Always makes me chuckle diesel owners going on about torque, when i have loads of torque and bhp through a much larger spread or rpm's (irrelevant of gearing) I dont see the point in them. Im allowed not to like them, its a rubbish fuel that has awful affects on people and is dirty, smelly and expensive!
fixed that for you :tongue:
and thats why you bore me - you can't open your eyes to appreciate how far diesel has come in terms of power and performance. I think you're threatened by them.
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I dont see the point in them. Im allowed not to like them, its a rubbish fuel that has awful affects on people and is dirty, smelly and expensive!
Yes you are allowed not to like them but you do go on a bit i just woke up face down on keyboard reading your dull issues with diesel
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I dont see the point in them. Im allowed not to like them, its a rubbish fuel that has awful affects on people and is dirty, smelly and expensive!
Yes you are allowed not to like them but you do go on a bit i just woke up face down on keyboard reading your dull issues with diesel
:rolleyes:
LMFAO :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: