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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: Grand Master Patch on 22 March 2009, 08:25
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Now for my views on the H&R 26mm front arb and Neuspeed 28mm(middle setting) rear arb combo....
The difference is unbeleivable,i have really tested it out today(Milnrow/Kingsway roundabouts for those who know the area) and i'm honestly shocked at the handling of the car.It can really corner at speed now,with just the rear arb it was a little too tail happy for my liking and my inside front wheel would lose traction spinning up and slowing the exit of the corner.Now the front has been fitted,it's elimminated the front wheel spinning and i feel much more confident when driving hard.
I now finnally realise what all you handling freaks have been banging on about all this time,stick your stretched tyes where the sun don't shine,handling is where it's at.
If you haven't got uprated front and rear ARB's,i urge you to bite the bullet and buy a kit asap,you won't be disappointed.
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Now for my views on the H&R 26mm front arb and Neuspeed 28mm(middle setting) rear arb combo....
The difference is unbeleivable,i have really tested it out today(Milnrow/Kingsway roundabouts for those who know the area) and i'm honestly shocked at the handling of the car.It can really corner at speed now,with just the rear arb it was a little too tail happy for my liking and my inside front wheel would lose traction spinning up and slowing the exit of the corner.Now the front has been fitted,it's elimminated the front wheel spinning and i feel much more confident when driving hard.
I now finnally realise what all you handling freaks have been banging on about all this time,stick your stretched tyes where the sun don't shine,handling is where it's at.
If you haven't got uprated front and rear ARB's,i urge you to bite the bullet and buy a kit asap,you won't be disappointed.
alrite patch how much did you pay for them i need to change the front as me arb is rubber on the drive shaft on full lock :angry:
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It's going to be tricky if you want the same set up as me,the H&R front bar only comes in a full kit for £320(front&rear),you can't buy it separately.I split the kit with a friend,he took the rear i had the 26mm front.I bought the 28mm Neuspeed rear arb second hand(6 month old) cost me £150.
Both myself and a mate have front and rear arb's,and both agree it really transforms the way the car handles,you can really throw it into the bends and it doesn't get out of shape :smiley:
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Shame you didn't split it with me :P
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Just bought an Eibach rear ARB. I'm so hoping the improvement is noticable as the Golf ain't the best handling car in the world. :smiley:
How big a job is it fitting a rear ARB?
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It's quite easy,just jack the car up and get some blocks under the wheels,then it's just a matter of bolting it on.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z215/Patch27/DSC_2648.jpg)
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=190293829560
Just won this this morning do I need anything else to fit it, I've got Powerflex ARB Bushes? Looking in your pictures you have drop links to the ARB bar? :huh:
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You should have some clamps aswell,these bolt the arb/bushes onto the rear beam,you can see the same bar as yours in this pic.
(http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq289/buky08/DSC02601.jpg)
Mine has drop links because it's adjustable,i three settings of stiffness to choose from.
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Ah cheers bud looking forward to getting it on the car! :smiley:
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Where about in the proper north west are you?
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South Cumbria around the barrow in furness area bud
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Patch, how much is your car lowered as well mate? Do you think result would worthwhile just using STD GTI suspension? :smiley:
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yep i need some ARBS to :grin: got the drive shaft prob shakey
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Patch, how much is your car lowered as well mate? Do you think result would worthwhile just using STD GTI suspension? :smiley:
Damm right it's worth it,even on 1.6 suspension it would make a massive improvement.I'm running about 40mm lower at the moment.
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How come you split the set and didnt keep H&R front and rear ARB's Patch ?
Did you fit the front yourself aswell ???
And do i need droplinks also ?
Cheers :wink:
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How come you split the set and didnt keep H&R front and rear ARB's Patch ?
Did you fit the front yourself aswell ???
And do i need droplinks also ?
Cheers :wink:
My mate had a whiteline front arb fitted,and i had the neuspeed rear arb fitted,so we split the kit to complete both our cars.
You won't need to buy any droplinks,the fronts are fine,and you only need rear droplinks on the adjustable arb's.
I got it fitted at http://www.panelcare.co.uk/
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How come you split the set and didnt keep H&R front and rear ARB's Patch ?
Did you fit the front yourself aswell ???
And do i need droplinks also ?
Cheers :wink:
My mate had a whiteline front arb fitted,and i had the neuspeed rear arb fitted,so we split the kit to complete both our cars.
You won't need to buy any droplinks,the fronts are fine,and you only need rear droplinks on the adjustable arb's.
I got it fitted at http://www.panelcare.co.uk/
Ahh right, now i understand.
How much did they charge for fitting them mate ? Not too far from me
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£100 + vat inc the alignment :smiley:
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this is soemthing ive been lookign at as well, so the H&R kit should do the same? or are the frotn and rear ARB differnt mm to teh whiteline/neuspeed one? :smiley:
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this is soemthing ive been lookign at as well, so the H&R kit should do the same? or are the frotn and rear ARB differnt mm to teh whiteline/neuspeed one? :smiley:
Not quite sure what you want to know here,the H&R kit uses a 26mm front arb and a 21mm rear.Any uprated arb kit will be a huge improvement over the std set up.
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Get the whiteline adjustable, front on soft, rear on hard :cool:
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safe
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Got my ARB fitted yesterday and it's up there with a remap for big improvements on the Golf! It's not just a placebo either you can definatly tell that the back end feels much tighter and more secure going through the twisties! Better tyres now??????
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Got my ARB fitted yesterday and it's up there with a remap for big improvements on the Golf! It's not just a placebo either you can definatly tell that the back end feels much tighter and more secure going through the twisties! Better tyres now??????
God i've got soooooo much i wanna do to the golf, ARB's front and back, New wheels and tyres, fit the strut brace, re-map god the list go's on and on :sad:
Yeah tyres make a big diff mate :wink: be prepared to spend over £400 for very good ones(if your on 18")
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Yeah the cheapest decent ones are Toyo's I've used them for years on my other cars so thet'll on my list, so thats a nice £400 bill lol. Just the rear ARB seems to have made a huge improvement. :smiley:
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Yeah gonna have to buy one very soon :laugh:
Gonna get the car handling right first then comes the re-map and engine tweeks :evil:
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God you've not got it re-maped yet I feel your pain buddy. :grin:
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No chance of the ARB's, Re-Map, Wheels etc......... for a while now as i have just had to buy a new TV :angry:
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No chance of the ARB's, Re-Map, Wheels etc......... for a while now as i have just had to buy a new TV :angry:
grjoe :sad: I am dissapointed. You could have bought the car bits, and sat in the lounge looking at the car for a few months!!!!!
Planning on doing ARB's with 312mm brake conversion over next month :smiley:
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Yep, £1700 would have bought some BBS CH's and the ARB's for the golf :sad:
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£1700 on a TV :shocked: what you buy a 72" :grin:
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ARB's are something i've never really understood,
are they basically strut braces for the rear or what?
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ARB's are something i've never really understood,
are they basically strut braces for the rear or what?
Not quite...
Anti-roll bars provide two main functions. The first function is the reduction of body lean. The reduction of body lean is dependent on the total roll stiffness of the vehicle. Increasing the total roll stiffness of a vehicle does not change the steady state total load (weight) transfer from the inside wheels to the outside wheels, it only reduces body lean. The total lateral load transfer is determined by the CG height and track width.
The other function of anti-roll bars is to tune the high g-force and limit understeer behavior of the vehicle. The limit understeer behavior is tuned by changing the proportion of the total roll stiffness that comes from the front and rear axles. Increasing the proportion of roll stiffness at the front will increase the proportion of the total weight transfer that the front axle reacts and decrease the proportion that the rear axle reacts. This will cause the outer front wheel to run at a higher slip angle, and the outer rear wheel to run at a lower slip angle, which is an understeer effect. Increasing the proportion of roll stiffness at the rear axle will have the opposite effect and decrease understeer.
Does that make sense?
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Don't you just love wikipedia :grin:
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Don't you just love wikipedia :grin:
lol :grin:
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The best way to understand it,would be to go out in a car with both front and rear fitted,it puts the std mk's handling to shame.
Get them ordered and fitted,you won't be disappointed.Only pussy's don't bother :grin:
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£1700 on a TV :shocked: what you buy a 72" :grin:
:grin: Naa a 52" Sony Bravia :wink:
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£1700 on a TV :shocked: what you buy a 72" :grin:
:grin: Naa a 52" Sony Bravia :wink:
still way too much money for a TV!!!! send it back and get something cheaper!
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£1700 on a TV :shocked: what you buy a 72" :grin:
:grin: Naa a 52" Sony Bravia :wink:
still way too much money for a TV!!!! send it back and get something cheaper!
Nope, can't wait for it to come, the very best i could get for the money, no point in me having a XBox 360, Blu Ray and HD-DVD if i cant use em on a 1080p :cool:
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Whiteline adjustable rear ARB for sale here :wink:
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/262133.aspx
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Definatley get one! My Golf for the first time handles ok????? :smiley:
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I will do when i have some pennies again :sad:
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i was thinking the same thing,
they sound great but i don't have that kinda money to burn at the minute,
just fitted the S3 strut braces so enjoying that at the moment :grin: