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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: Dec on 11 March 2009, 15:19

Title: Air filter
Post by: Dec on 11 March 2009, 15:19

Hey guys.

I want to buy a new air filter for my 16v. Im thinking either a Pipercross Induction kit or a BMC CDA.

http://venommotorsport.com/product_details.php?id=13877&manufacturer=Pipercross&category=Filter

As there is such a huge difference in price (BMC one is twice the price) Is there any advantage of having a carbon fiber one (other than a cool looking bay?)

What will I need to buy on top of the kit? if anything?

Are either of these oil based or whatever messes up the MFA? Im confused by what everyone means by oil based tbh but I just don't want to mess anything up by putting one on :undecided:

Is there any better ones I could get?

Cheers :)

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: Josho on 11 March 2009, 15:30

You do actually spray oil over the Pipercross kits, apparently that can mess up the MFA.

Never used or seen the BMC used so can't comment.

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: Khare on 11 March 2009, 15:36

the bmc filter is enclosed in the carbon housing to stop heat soak. They have one end as a cold air intake and the other end goes to your tb.
The pipercross one is just a normal induction kit that without a proper cold air itnake and a proper heatshield it will jsut suck in loads of hot air.
Ive just recieved though the post my pipercross panel filter and ive already drilled the airbox, so should make a nice difference.

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: JC on 11 March 2009, 15:38

Speaking from experience - i fitted a K&N - lasted 3 weeks, car ran like a sack of spuds.

Back to OE from VW, jobs a good un  :wink:

But what do I know from Experience  :wink:

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: Khare on 11 March 2009, 15:40

as chuff said, induction kit can make ur car run crap.
thats why i bought a panel filter rather than an induction kit, all the benefits of more air without downsides.

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: JC on 11 March 2009, 15:42

alas no, mine was just a panel filter  :wink:

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: Khare on 11 March 2009, 15:45

Quote from: chuff on 11 March 2009, 15:42

alas no, mine was just a panel filter  :wink:

really? thats wierd then. Would understand why an induction kit would cause bad running but panel filter should be fine.

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: shepgti on 11 March 2009, 15:53

performance wise the best you can do is an enclosed system like the bmc with a direct air feed from the front of the car.

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: ToRo on 11 March 2009, 15:53

http://www.extremeautoaccessories.co.uk might be cheaper than Venom mate...

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: boneybradley on 11 March 2009, 17:04

pipercross do a viper kit, that is meant to be siilar to the bmc enclosed one.....

oh and chuff.......your car don't like anything!! I think you upset it by not giving it electric that time!  :grin:

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: kells on 11 March 2009, 17:36

i run K&N induction kit, really improved how the car run, it was very lumpy for some reason on the standard air box

tbh iv always run the K&N induction kits on all my cars, cant fault them, so i keep running them on a "if it aint broke dont fix it" kind of thing

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: Khare on 11 March 2009, 17:39

ive installed the piper x panel on mine just now and took it for a quick spin and tbh cant say ive noticed a difference, it was only a real quick spin down the road. Says on the box after 500 miles they start working properly. Makes more noise though :evil:

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: Dec on 12 March 2009, 09:09

Hmm, can't find anywhere that does the BMC CDA for a 16v :( any ideas?

Might just get an uprated pannel filter to start with and get a proper one in the future.

Want the BMC one for looks more than anything :embarassed:

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: eightyeightmph on 12 March 2009, 10:28

I'm running a BMC CDA in my 16V, you just need the larger size (150?!) for the valvers, they only come in <1600cc & >1600cc :afro:

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m12/eightyeightmph/Golf%20Accident%20Repair/Image041a.jpg)

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: Dec on 12 March 2009, 10:45

Oh awesome! Was it hard to fit it?

Any idea where i can get one from? :smug:

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: kells on 12 March 2009, 13:44

dec i love the look of them too hahaha

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: Dec on 12 March 2009, 13:46

Kells, yours would end up looking a bit more like this (but in mk3 form) wouldnt it? :wink:

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/mattyj79/2008_05230004Medium.jpg)

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: Dec on 12 March 2009, 14:36

88, would this one be ok? Says its for a 1.8 16v :undecided:

http://venommotorsport.com/product_details.php?id=13809&manufacturer=BMC&category=Filter

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: kells on 12 March 2009, 15:06

Mmmmmmmm nice.... and yes hehehe :cool:

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: eightyeightmph on 12 March 2009, 19:22

Quote from: Dec on 12 March 2009, 14:36

88, would this one be ok? Says its for a 1.8 16v :undecided:

http://venommotorsport.com/product_details.php?id=13809&manufacturer=BMC&category=Filter

Yep, if it's for engines over 1600cc it's the right one, so being sold suitable for the 1.8 it'll go on the 2.0 too!

It's a little tricky without a reducer - bought new you should get one, otherwise just use sikaflex to attach to the air pipe. Jubilee clip the hose that comes with it although I got some better stuff off of ebay that fitted the intake vents I have. The sensor that you can see in the top left in my pic was attached by drilling a hole & sikaflexing it in place.

Hope that helps! :afro:

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: Dec on 13 March 2009, 08:11

Thanks 88 :)

What gains will I get from it? Never thought about it really :embarassed:

Looking for a little extra performance, as i have an exhaust on it already so hopefully they will compliment each other nicely?

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: eightyeightmph on 13 March 2009, 10:54

I've got a performance exhaust, the CDA's have a really nice sound, subtle until you give it some then it comes to life. I won't say it made the car noticable faster, but throttle response was improved & it felt more torque-y.

Definately worth it, but I only paid £50 for mine - ebay bargain!  :wink:

Title: Re: Air filter
Post by: Dec on 13 March 2009, 11:23

Awesome :D Gotta get a few other bits done first I think, but hopefully be on before spring fest!

Blimey that is a bargain :P :grin:

Might have some special bits done (http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/Dec_012/ph34r.gif) but highly doubt it :( Deffo by edition38 :D