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Title: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 07 March 2009, 19:37
Looks like i'll be needing

New thermostat
New coolant temp sensor
New N75 valve

the joys of motoring eh
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3......
Post by: bobbarley on 07 March 2009, 19:38
What triggered you to notice these things needed replacing?
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3......
Post by: Steve_PD on 07 March 2009, 19:38
ah thats sh!t mate I've had a bad couple months  :angry:
looks like Dave will be busy  :wink:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3......
Post by: richw911 on 07 March 2009, 19:42
Looks like i'll be needing

New thermostat
New coolant temp sensor
New N75 valve

the joys of motoring eh

Yeah but just think she will be running sweeeet when all done  :laugh:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3......
Post by: Rhyso on 07 March 2009, 19:43
What triggered you to notice these things needed replacing?

well my temp gauge went to 90 and back so going to swap both the sensor and thermostat plus my MPG has been shocking recently

did some data logging with Steve last weekend d we have the same problem

a new N75 valve has cured his problem so it should cure mine

ah thats sh!t mate I've had a bad couple months  :angry:
looks like Dave will be busy  :wink:

he will be as i'll have my pancake pipe next week too  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3......
Post by: sambo on 07 March 2009, 19:45
Mk4 golfs seems to be more like 10's consistently!  :laugh:

Title: Re: they say things fail in 3......
Post by: Rhyso on 07 March 2009, 19:50
Looks like i'll be needing

New thermostat
New coolant temp sensor
New N75 valve

the joys of motoring eh

Yeah but just think she will be running sweeeet when all done  :laugh:

bloody hope so mate!!

i need my chav killing power back  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3......
Post by: RnP on 07 March 2009, 19:57
Looks like i'll be needing

New thermostat
New coolant temp sensor
New N75 valve

the joys of motoring eh

Yeah but just think she will be running sweeeet when all done  :laugh:

bloody hope so mate!!

i need my chav killing power back  :grin: :grin:

you swapping your derv for a 1.8 T then ??? :cool: :wink: :grin:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3......
Post by: Rhyso on 07 March 2009, 19:59
Looks like i'll be needing

New thermostat
New coolant temp sensor
New N75 valve

the joys of motoring eh

Yeah but just think she will be running sweeeet when all done  :laugh:

bloody hope so mate!!

i need my chav killing power back  :grin: :grin:

you swapping your derv for a 1.8 T then ??? :cool: :wink: :grin:

i may smoke diesel but i'm not stupid  :tongue:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3......
Post by: RnP on 07 March 2009, 20:03
Looks like i'll be needing

New thermostat
New coolant temp sensor
New N75 valve

the joys of motoring eh

Yeah but just think she will be running sweeeet when all done  :laugh:

bloody hope so mate!!

i need my chav killing power back  :grin: :grin:

you swapping your derv for a 1.8 T then ??? :cool: :wink: :grin:

i may smoke diesel but i'm not stupid  :tongue:

sorry mate just couldnt resist that one lol  :grin:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3......
Post by: Rhyso on 07 March 2009, 20:04
Looks like i'll be needing

New thermostat
New coolant temp sensor
New N75 valve

the joys of motoring eh

Yeah but just think she will be running sweeeet when all done  :laugh:

bloody hope so mate!!

i need my chav killing power back  :grin: :grin:

you swapping your derv for a 1.8 T then ??? :cool: :wink: :grin:

i may smoke diesel but i'm not stupid  :tongue:

sorry mate just couldnt resist that one lol  :grin:

there's always one  :rolleyes: :tongue: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: (shakey) on 07 March 2009, 20:27
thermostat sound like you need rhys mine went the same temp gague went to about 70 when on the move but went back up to 90 when staitionary.
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 07 March 2009, 20:29
thermostat sound like you need rhys mine went the same temp gague went to about 70 when on the move but went back up to 90 when staitionary.

mine goes the other way lol

had a code for the sensor the other day but cleared it and it hasn't come back but i'll be changing it for peace of mind :afro:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 08 March 2009, 01:31
Looks like i'll be needing

New thermostat
New coolant temp sensor
New N75 valve

the joys of motoring eh

sorry to hear rhys hope you get sorted and the dirty derv will be running sweet as again :afro:  :wink:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 09 March 2009, 18:40
ordered the parts today

got the temp sensor and thermostat already :afro:

N75 valve will be in on Wednesday - fitting Thursday, Chav smoking will hopefully recommence on Friday  :evil: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: richw911 on 09 March 2009, 18:56
ordered the parts today

got the temp sensor and thermostat already :afro:

N75 valve will be in on Wednesday - fitting Thursday, Chav smoking will hopefully recommence on Friday  :evil: :grin: :grin:

Cool be interesting to see if the N57 sorts her out - which it will :afro:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 09 March 2009, 19:06
ordered the parts today

got the temp sensor and thermostat already :afro:

N75 valve will be in on Wednesday - fitting Thursday, Chav smoking will hopefully recommence on Friday  :evil: :grin: :grin:

Cool be interesting to see if the N57 sorts her out - which it will :afro:

well it appears to have sorted Steve's out so i'm hoping it will have the same positive effect on mine  :smiley:  though i think a combination of all 3 will do it some good.

Best do otherwise i''ll have wasted £70!!
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 09 March 2009, 20:29
ordered the parts today

got the temp sensor and thermostat already :afro:

N75 valve will be in on Wednesday - fitting Thursday, Chav smoking will hopefully recommence on Friday  :evil: :grin: :grin:
nice one rhys the derv will be running spot on after that :afro: quality cant beat abit of chav smoking  :grin:  :grin:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: dai-cymru on 10 March 2009, 11:50
Do I dare ask who is fitting this little lot?
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 10 March 2009, 11:55
Do I dare ask who is fitting this little lot?

Not you mate - got Rob in work lined up for Thursday  :tongue:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: dai-cymru on 10 March 2009, 12:03
Do I dare ask who is fitting this little lot?

Not you mate - got Rob in work lined up for Thursday  :tongue:

ohhhh your new best friend now  :tongue: :tongue:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 10 March 2009, 12:09
Do I dare ask who is fitting this little lot?

Not you mate - got Rob in work lined up for Thursday  :tongue:

ohhhh your new best friend now  :tongue: :tongue:

no - you're stilll my bestest friend  :tongue: :kiss:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: dai-cymru on 10 March 2009, 12:11
Do I dare ask who is fitting this little lot?

Not you mate - got Rob in work lined up for Thursday  :tongue:

ohhhh your new best friend now  :tongue: :tongue:

no - you're stilll my bestest friend  :tongue: :kiss:



 :grin: :grin: weirdo
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 10 March 2009, 12:17
Do I dare ask who is fitting this little lot?

Not you mate - got Rob in work lined up for Thursday  :tongue:

ohhhh your new best friend now  :tongue: :tongue:

no - you're stilll my bestest friend  :tongue: :kiss:



 :grin: :grin: weirdo

 :cry: :cry:  i'll remember that when you want help from your 'pocket geek'
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Josho on 10 March 2009, 13:14
It's weird how a thermostat can affect MPG, Chrysler was better after the change.
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: T_J_G on 10 March 2009, 13:21
Well if the engine is running cooler it will burn more fuel. Just like it does when you begin your journey ;)
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 11 March 2009, 17:23
hopefully this little bugger will help restore some performance

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y276/Rhyso/IMG_1430.jpg)
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: bobbarley on 11 March 2009, 17:28
My coolant temp sensor arrived yesterday :)
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 11 March 2009, 17:29
My coolant temp sensor arrived yesterday :)

had mine Monday  :tongue: along with the thermostat

and Ben @ R-Tech has posted my pancake pipe so with a bit of luck that might getted tomorrow too  :cool:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: bobbarley on 11 March 2009, 17:31
Lot smaller than I thought, the sensor!
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 11 March 2009, 17:40
Lot smaller than I thought, the sensor!

its more of a valve than a sensor - it controls the actuator on my turbo and adjusts the position of the vanes  :nerd:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: bobbarley on 11 March 2009, 17:40
Ehm...... yeah
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Steve_PD on 11 March 2009, 19:34
why haven't you fitted it yet, only takes 5 mins  :wink:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 11 March 2009, 19:35
why haven't you fitted it yet, only takes 5 mins  :wink:

cos my car is in work  :tongue:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Steve_PD on 11 March 2009, 19:41
No excuse  :wink:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 11 March 2009, 19:48
No excuse  :wink:

it is as i've been up since 4am, travelled to Manchester and back for a 30 minute meeting and there was no way i was going into work!
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 12 March 2009, 21:44
oky doke

New pancake pipe fitted - need to check clamps in the morning as it sounds like air is leaking from around them  :angry:

New N75 valve fitted

New coolant temp sensor fitted

Didn't have time to change the thermostat but the temp gauge sits bang on 90 and she got up to temp a little quicker than before

Net result - same as before........... :angry:  although she does seem to pull hard after 2500rpm........so i doubt i've got a boost leak  :undecided:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Steve_PD on 12 March 2009, 21:47
sh!t mate, back to the drawing board  :cry:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: bobbarley on 12 March 2009, 21:48
We'll get it sorted mate :)
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: T_J_G on 12 March 2009, 22:45
Damn! That's very annoying!
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 12 March 2009, 22:46
Damn! That's very annoying!

Not half!! lol

at least my temp gauge seems to work tidy now and i fitted my anni valence so not a wasted evening  :smiley:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: T_J_G on 12 March 2009, 22:52
Damn! That's very annoying!

Not half!! lol

at least my temp gauge seems to work tidy now and i fitted my anni valence so not a wasted evening  :smiley:

Just wasted money then ;)
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: dai-cymru on 12 March 2009, 23:09
INJECTORS?????



need upgraded ones maybe  :undecided:

Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: T_J_G on 12 March 2009, 23:10
INJECTORS?????



need upgraded ones maybe  :undecided:



But (and bear in mind I know nothing about injectors) would they struggle beofre 2500 RPM and then be fine after :S
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: richw911 on 13 March 2009, 00:42
Damm whats next to try bud?  :cry:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 13 March 2009, 10:11
INJECTORS?????



need upgraded ones maybe  :undecided:



But (and bear in mind I know nothing about injectors) would they struggle beofre 2500 RPM and then be fine after :S

standard injectors are apparently good for 220bhp from the reading i've done - perhaps its possible they aren't opening up fully under load  :undecided:

unplugged my MAF and took it for a drive - performance was crap so it isn't that although it didn't stall and i didn't have a lumpy idle which i was expecting  :undecided:

i'm pretty sure i've got a boost leak as you can hear the air rushing as the turbo spools, lots of black smoke but then it clears and away i go  :undecided:  had a bit of a poke under the car but need to jack it up which i hope to do later today

i'm fecking stumped to be honest  :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: dai-cymru on 13 March 2009, 11:17
INJECTORS?????



need upgraded ones maybe  :undecided:



But (and bear in mind I know nothing about injectors) would they struggle beofre 2500 RPM and then be fine after :S

standard injectors are apparently good for 220bhp from the reading i've done - perhaps its possible they aren't opening up fully under load  :undecided:

unplugged my MAF and took it for a drive - performance was crap so it isn't that although it didn't stall and i didn't have a lumpy idle which i was expecting  :undecided:

i'm pretty sure i've got a boost leak as you can hear the air rushing as the turbo spools, lots of black smoke but then it clears and away i go  :undecided:  had a bit of a poke under the car but need to jack it up which i hope to do later today

i'm fecking stumped to be honest  :cry: :cry:


dont tell all the ladies you have a stumpy  :laugh: :laugh:

the injectors could be sticking at low down revs and then getting forced open at higher revs thus why there ok after 2500  :undecided:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 13 March 2009, 22:18
UPDATE

big thanks to Dai-Cymru (again!)

solved my boost leak - guess i'll never learn from past mistakes - forgot to swap the o-rings off the old pipe onto the new Forge Pipe  :embarassed:

so boost leak solved BUT possibly another even larger problem spotted - oil in the intercooler  :angry: :cry:

that normally means that a seal is going somewhere and the likely candidate - TURBO  :cry: :cry:

i'm starting to give up to be honest - if my turbo goes it will be a standard one going on - i'm not going to chase more power as i can't be doing with the pitfalls it leads too
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: richw911 on 13 March 2009, 23:20
UPDATE

big thanks to Dai-Cymru (again!)

solved my boost leak - guess i'll never learn from past mistakes - forgot to swap the o-rings off the old pipe onto the new Forge Pipe  :embarassed:

so boost leak solved BUT possibly another even larger problem spotted - oil in the intercooler  :angry: :cry:

that normally means that a seal is going somewhere and the likely candidate - TURBO  :cry: :cry:

i'm starting to give up to be honest - if my turbo goes it will be a standard one going on - i'm not going to chase more power as i can't be doing with the pitfalls it leads too

Glad thats fixed bud  :smiley:

You think the mods may have killed the turbo? still got that vibration then?
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 13 March 2009, 23:22
UPDATE

big thanks to Dai-Cymru (again!)

solved my boost leak - guess i'll never learn from past mistakes - forgot to swap the o-rings off the old pipe onto the new Forge Pipe  :embarassed:

so boost leak solved BUT possibly another even larger problem spotted - oil in the intercooler  :angry: :cry:

that normally means that a seal is going somewhere and the likely candidate - TURBO  :cry: :cry:

i'm starting to give up to be honest - if my turbo goes it will be a standard one going on - i'm not going to chase more power as i can't be doing with the pitfalls it leads too

Glad thats fixed bud  :smiley:

You think the mods may have killed the turbo? still got that vibration then?

its a possibility - engine has done nearly 100K and its run the last 18K at much higher boost levels

still got the vibration but the power band it is in appears to be less  :undecided:  need to run it for a few days and see how we go

at this point in time i'm pretty gutted to say the least  :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: richw911 on 13 March 2009, 23:26
UPDATE

big thanks to Dai-Cymru (again!)

solved my boost leak - guess i'll never learn from past mistakes - forgot to swap the o-rings off the old pipe onto the new Forge Pipe  :embarassed:

so boost leak solved BUT possibly another even larger problem spotted - oil in the intercooler  :angry: :cry:

that normally means that a seal is going somewhere and the likely candidate - TURBO  :cry: :cry:

i'm starting to give up to be honest - if my turbo goes it will be a standard one going on - i'm not going to chase more power as i can't be doing with the pitfalls it leads too

Glad thats fixed bud  :smiley:

You think the mods may have killed the turbo? still got that vibration then?

its a possibility - engine has done nearly 100K and its run the last 18K at much higher boost levels

still got the vibration but the power band it is in appears to be less  :undecided:  need to run it for a few days and see how we go

at this point in time i'm pretty gutted to say the least  :cry: :cry:

Feel for you bud  :sad: Fingers crossed its a cheap fix.
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 14 March 2009, 10:13
well i've found this thread

http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/246330/1594620.aspx#1594620

and after speaking to Mr Dave it sounds like i've over-reacted a little bit - there wasn't huge amounts of oil in the intercooler

just going to keep an eye on it and possibly get the intercooler cleaned out
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Wazzzer on 14 March 2009, 11:06
dunno if you've got access to any but I cleaned my new intercooler out with acetone, worked a treat

I wouldn't worry about a bit of oil in the intercooler, the 1.8T seems to keep the oil rather than burning it off like most turbod cars I've owned/worked on. You'd know about it if the seals/bearings go, I filled up a field with smoke when mine went  :grin:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: bobbarley on 14 March 2009, 18:00
Just fitted my coolant temp sensor, WHAT A BLOODY PALAVA!!
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: richw911 on 14 March 2009, 19:05
well i've found this thread

http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/246330/1594620.aspx#1594620

and after speaking to Mr Dave it sounds like i've over-reacted a little bit - there wasn't huge amounts of oil in the intercooler

just going to keep an eye on it and possibly get the intercooler cleaned out

Good news  :wink:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 14 March 2009, 21:01
Just fitted my coolant temp sensor, WHAT A BLOODY PALAVA!!

huh??

remove airbox pipe

undo clip

pull out old sensor

stick in new sensor

then connect the plug

took 5 minutes!
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 14 March 2009, 21:03
well i've found this thread

http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/246330/1594620.aspx#1594620

and after speaking to Mr Dave it sounds like i've over-reacted a little bit - there wasn't huge amounts of oil in the intercooler

just going to keep an eye on it and possibly get the intercooler cleaned out

Good news  :wink:

yeah for a change - MPG seems to be back to normalish too

whether or not i got used to drving that sh!tty old Saab i don't know but the derv definietly feels much improved and i reckon 95% there :afro:

now where did i put that Stage 2 turbo.........
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: bobbarley on 14 March 2009, 21:08
Just fitted my coolant temp sensor, WHAT A BLOODY PALAVA!!

huh??

remove airbox pipe

undo clip

pull out old sensor

stick in new sensor

then connect the plug

took 5 minutes!

I couldn't get the clip to go back in above the sensor to stop it popping straight out.  Took about 10 minutes!
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 14 March 2009, 21:11
I couldn't get the clip to go back in above the sensor to stop it popping straight out.  Took about 10 minutes!

must be different to yours then - the clip pulls DOWN on mine - was able to refit the sensor and then refit the clip - sensor stayed put
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 14 March 2009, 21:19
good to hear your 95% there with your problems rhys hopefully you'll get to the bottom of it mate  :wink:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 14 March 2009, 21:21
good to hear your 95% there with your problems rhys hopefully you'll get to the bottom of it mate  :wink:

well i was umming and arring as to whether or not to put her on the rollers but i think i will as it may highlight anything else wrong

hopefully Nick can work some magic too to upset you petrol boys  :tongue:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 14 March 2009, 21:28
good to hear your 95% there with your problems rhys hopefully you'll get to the bottom of it mate  :wink:

well i was umming and arring as to whether or not to put her on the rollers but i think i will as it may highlight anything else wrong

hopefully Nick can work some magic too to upset you petrol boys  :tongue:
aye should still get down for the rr day rhys n like you say nick will probs work magic on your derv long as you derv boys dont smoke us out  :grin: :grin: :tongue:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 14 March 2009, 21:30
good to hear your 95% there with your problems rhys hopefully you'll get to the bottom of it mate  :wink:

well i was umming and arring as to whether or not to put her on the rollers but i think i will as it may highlight anything else wrong

hopefully Nick can work some magic too to upset you petrol boys  :tongue:
aye should still get down for the rr day rhys n like you say nick will probs work magic on your derv long as you derv boys dont smoke us out  :grin: :grin: :tongue:

hehe you should have been following me yesterday before Dai fixed my boost leak - anyone following too close soon backed off when i hit the throttle  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Wazzzer on 14 March 2009, 21:43
I was actually surprised at how little smoke your car kicked out on the rollers last time
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: dai-cymru on 14 March 2009, 21:45
good to hear your 95% there with your problems rhys hopefully you'll get to the bottom of it mate  :wink:

well i was umming and arring as to whether or not to put her on the rollers but i think i will as it may highlight anything else wrong

hopefully Nick can work some magic too to upset you petrol boys  :tongue:
aye should still get down for the rr day rhys n like you say nick will probs work magic on your derv long as you derv boys dont smoke us out  :grin: :grin: :tongue:

hehe you should have been following me yesterday before Dai fixed my boost leak - anyone following too close soon backed off when i hit the throttle  :laugh: :laugh:


he's fecking great that dai  :kiss: :kiss:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 14 March 2009, 21:46
I was actually surprised at how little smoke your car kicked out on the rollers last time

 :wink:  i saw more smoke out of the back of a certain ED30  :lipsrsealed:

she smokes a bit more since having the R-Tech map but its not great plumes  :smiley:  
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: Rhyso on 14 March 2009, 21:46
good to hear your 95% there with your problems rhys hopefully you'll get to the bottom of it mate  :wink:

well i was umming and arring as to whether or not to put her on the rollers but i think i will as it may highlight anything else wrong

hopefully Nick can work some magic too to upset you petrol boys  :tongue:
aye should still get down for the rr day rhys n like you say nick will probs work magic on your derv long as you derv boys dont smoke us out  :grin: :grin: :tongue:

hehe you should have been following me yesterday before Dai fixed my boost leak - anyone following too close soon backed off when i hit the throttle  :laugh: :laugh:


he's fecking great that dai  :kiss: :kiss:

yeah he's alright like  :tongue: :wink: :afro:
Title: Re: they say things fail in 3s......
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 14 March 2009, 21:51
good to hear your 95% there with your problems rhys hopefully you'll get to the bottom of it mate  :wink:

well i was umming and arring as to whether or not to put her on the rollers but i think i will as it may highlight anything else wrong

hopefully Nick can work some magic too to upset you petrol boys  :tongue:
aye should still get down for the rr day rhys n like you say nick will probs work magic on your derv long as you derv boys dont smoke us out  :grin: :grin: :tongue:

hehe you should have been following me yesterday before Dai fixed my boost leak - anyone following too close soon backed off when i hit the throttle  :laugh: :laugh:
quality pmsl  :grin: :grin: :grin: :evil: