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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: 08micsta on 04 March 2009, 16:54
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Hello guys
Ok.... First time Im posting anything in this section so be nice as I know Jack about the MK2- BUT im willing to learn.
So my question is....
I have found a stunning black 2 litre MK2 GTI 16 Valve for a good price here in SA. Please note that the MK2 is as rare as the Dodo around here (AKA Non existant). Especially a 16 valve.
The car is an absolute minter and has a few cosmetic mods of which the rims have gotta go for some BBS.
This is my first car and something I want to restore and truly enjoy.
What sort of issues can I expect from a MK2? Wats the general feeling? Talk me into it guys.... My dad wants me to get something newer but I want to stick with old school....
My apologies as Im sure this has been covered but everyones help would be appreciated.
Thanks guys!
Mike
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i could spend 10 minutes doing a search and posting links to 4 or 5 good buyer info threads on here,
but then again, i shall let you do it :wink:
but i can link to a 5 part buyers guide, 3/4 way down the page
http://www.matey-matey.com/sitemap.shtml
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Thanks Chuff :cool:
Will run a few searches so as not to p*ss you guys off. Just sorta wanted to hear some feedback on the 16 valve.
100kw is quite throaty considering the MK5 has 147kw (And a phatt rear end to drag along).
I assume the MK2 is heavy maintenance judging from what I have read?
Please excuse me guys. I really know nothing about older cars :lipsrsealed: :embarassed:
Mike
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I've had mine for about a month and knew nothing about them either. Had a lot of fun with it, although had a lot of problems due to it being not very well maintained by previous owners. If it's well maintained, then it should be fine, but even in my situation, I still love it to bits, as I bought it with it being a fixer upper in mind
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To get an impression of day to day running - check out the projects section, it will give you the best impression of what its really like to own one.
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My 16v has been my favourite car I've owned, and it will take a lot to get me to buy something else. Here's a few observations...
An older car will not necessarily break down more, but more "things" will go wrong than on a newer car if you know what I mean. In other words, it will nearly always get you to work in the morning, but you'll find something to add to the fix-it list on the way.
You will almost never encounter electrical gremlins, as often happens with a modern car. So say goodbye to having to pay for "laptop diagnostics".
You'll loads of comments and conversations as a result of driving a Mk2, more so than many, many cars.
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My 16v has been my favourite car I've owned, and it will take a lot to get me to buy something else. Here's a few observations...
An older car will not necessarily break down more, but more "things" will go wrong than on a newer car if you know what I mean. In other words, it will nearly always get you to work in the morning, but you'll find something to add to the fix-it list on the way.
You will almost never encounter electrical gremlins, as often happens with a modern car. So say goodbye to having to pay for "laptop diagnostics".
You'll loads of comments and conversations as a result of driving a Mk2, more so than many, many cars.
so true!
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the 16v is a drivers car, all mk2's can be good fun the 16v has the power to make it really good fun to drive
the 16v is proably one of vags toughest engines, you have to work them to get the best from them and they love been worked
yes 20 yr old car will piss you off occasionaly but it will make up for it. the good thing with mk2's is as and when it needs the mk2 is compatable with a LOT of parts from later cars espectaly seat so won't be problems with obtaing parts for a long long time unlike with other older cars
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I think conker and danny_p's posts above have really hit the nail on the head....never have wiser words been spoken :smiley: :grin:
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Hello guys
Thanks for sharing your thoughts....
I have heard that a mk2 gti can possibly outperform a MK5? Not sure how true that is but it sounds really fun.
You guys have spoken me into buying one. I shall continue the search.
Mike :smiley:
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I have heard that a mk2 gti can possibly outperform a MK5?
It would have to be a heavily modded Mk2 to beat a Mk5 GTI. End of story.
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The standard MK2 can easily out break the MK5 :wink:
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The standard MK2 can easily out break the MK5 :wink:
:laugh:
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The standard MK2 can easily out break the MK5 :wink:
:laugh:
depends on how thick the wall is you crashing into I suppose :grin:
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I have heard that a mk2 gti can possibly outperform a MK5?
It would have to be a heavily modded Mk2 to beat a Mk5 GTI. End of story.
Not really true.
A mk2 only weighs 850kg and rebuilt 16v engine with a few bits lightened and the rev limiter lifted could dick a mk5 no worries. They are only 200bhp in a 1400kg car, do the math ;)
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oh and the cost to do that to a mk2 is pocket change compared to how much a mk5 gti is atm. I'd say mk2 with a couple of k to spare FTW!
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Are you sure the MK2 is really only 850 Kgs? The Polo G40 was a spot more than that, and it was a 1.3 and about a 1/3 the size.
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sorry forgot to mention if stripped out. doh! my bad.
but your right standard is 1000kg, stripped could go as low as 900kg-
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Lol!
Ok irrespective of whether it can out perform out "break" a MK5 it does not matter too much....Just wanted an idication of what sort of power the MK2 had...
Guys.... Tell me..... How does a MK2 16V compare to a MK3 VR6?
Mike
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A little bit slower and doesn't sound anywhere near as good.
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My dad had a VR6 when I was still smaller. Loved the noise it made...
See im a bit torn here....
Its between the Mk2 16V... And the VR6.
MK2:
Weighs Less
Litter faster
Major Fun Factor
Cheaper - Leaves me about 1500 pounds to modify
VR6:
Newer
Lovely noise as I remember it
Little more modern (Who cares though??)
Expensive... Will use my whole budget to buy one.
Fun but not manic... A bit too composed.
The positives outweight the negatives for the MK2. What sort of mods can you do to a MK2?
Im really sorry for sounding like a complete retard... Still learning this "old" car stuff....
Mike
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mk2: not sh!t
mk3: sh!t
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Should I be taking advice from the hairdresser....? :lipsrsealed:
:laugh:
Just kidding bud. The MK3 being Sh*t seems to be the common trend on the forum. Not sure why (Apparently its slow and fat) but i think its nice...
But personally cannot justify a MK3 over a MK2.
If I was to post up a few ads would you guys mind like approving them? I know nothing about these cars....
Mike
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Here's a clip from Fifth Gear that looks at modifying the MK2 Golf GTi 16v: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtpsKV-8C_k&playnext_from=PL&feature=PlayList&p=01D8CE0A9C4E7288&playnext=1&index=59
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Dude Micsta we all know why your in the MK2 section, because you know thats what your guna get! So really lets see these ads and we'll advise as much as possible without viewing them, cos pictures never tell the full story
:)
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Hello guys
Yup Russ you are right.... I do want one lol :laugh: :evil:
Thanks for the link. Very useful. You guys are very kind :smiley:
Here are a few links:
http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-for-Sale-cars-R35K-VW-Golf-2-GTI-18V-1985-W0QQAdIdZ86574653
http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-for-Sale-cars-R35K-GOLF-MK-2-GTI-16VALVE-W0QQAdIdZ64396254
And obviously this ad is for the black MK2 (I like this the most)
http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-for-Sale-cars-R35K-Two-Amazing-VWs-W0QQAdIdZ93601878
http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-for-Sale-cars-R35K-Golf-Gti-16v-89-W0QQAdIdZ99163213
http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-for-Sale-cars-R35K-GTI-16V-W0QQAdIdZ102885038
http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-for-Sale-cars-R35K-92-MK2-GTi-2Ltr-16V-W0QQAdIdZ94881089
Thats it... These are the only 16V available.... These cars are ultra rare here.
When I go see the actual car I will take that guide that was posted along. The nice thing about SA is the cars dont rust as much and are uaually in better condition...
Thanks everyone!
Mike
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sorry forgot to mention if stripped out. doh! my bad.
but your right standard is 1000kg, stripped could go as low as 900kg-
Even ignoring the power-to-weight ratios, the Mk5 chassis is massively superior to the Mk2. Then you've got all the torque benefits. Then the far, far better aerodynamics (a huge factor post 70mph). Better brakes with ABS and cornering with the ESP-thingy.
I love my Mk2, but I am more than willing to accept that a Mk5 would bend a Mk2 16v over its knee, and spank it badly. Fact.
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Yup, I'd have to agree, laser welded chassis etc. on the MK5 makes for a much faster ride. My sisters MK5 is sweet and feels real nice to drive, I love the eletro mechanical steering - its more responsive than my own!
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Its like on fifth gear when they tested an E30 M3 with huge BHP, and then a modern day mildly-hot super mini, and they got almost exactley the same time round the track - its all about putting the power down and grip around the corners. Its on youtube somewhere.
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Micsta, the only thing that i would be concerned about in your shoes is if like you say mk2's are rare then what about availability of parts? big factor as you will always be fixing something!
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Hello guys
Im not too stressed about the parts thing... I ship things in from the UK, America and Germany often so if I need something I can get a contact there to pop it into my container.
The nice thing is that there are lots of actual GTI dedicated part stores here in SA with lots of parts...
Oh and if the need comes....I can get the part made myself :lipsrsealed:
Mike
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Oh and if the need comes....I can get the part made myself :lipsrsealed:
whilst your at it then machine me some parts too! :afro:
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Pop me a PM... Wat you need? Maybe I can get hold of it for you down here...
Mike