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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: oatz on 01 March 2009, 18:07

Title: Went to see one today
Post by: oatz on 01 March 2009, 18:07
Just went to see an edition 30 and all seemed to check out well apart from one thing and I'd really appreciate if some kind person could check the following on their car please:

The drivers side headlight seems to be more recessed than the passengers side (the gap at the top left of the headlight unit where it meets the wing is wider on the drivers side in comparison to the passenger side) - after close inspection there is no sign of crash damage or overspray etc and it appears the lights can be adjusted to move in and out (for alignment purposes) from exactly the same area as where the gap is.

So basically can someone please check the above is also the case with their car please?

Oh and one last thing, I have been told by the vendor that VW no longer supply the plastic key with new vehicles as the one I'm looking at only comes with two keys and a tag with some kind of code on it, is this correct?

Many, many thanks in advance
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: pitch3110 on 01 March 2009, 18:11
I will pop out and take a look oatz

Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: pitch3110 on 01 March 2009, 18:14
Both seem the same, although I have xenons, if that would make any difference.

The top outside corner of the h/lights are set back though

ta
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: oatz on 01 March 2009, 19:23
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k70/oatz8167/Volkswagen_Golf_GTI_HR-05.jpg)

Just a quick pic as a demo
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: oatz on 01 March 2009, 20:10
Thanks for checking that for me mate

Can someone with standard lights pls pls check or shed some light on this situation please?

Many thanks
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: pitch3110 on 01 March 2009, 20:20
yes they are recessed back slightly oatz.
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: oatz on 01 March 2009, 20:34
Thanks but I presume the gaps are even on both sides of yours? Just trying to ascertain whether this particular ed 30 has been involved in a front end or if it's normal,

Cheers :smiley:
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: pitch3110 on 01 March 2009, 20:47
pic's on there way
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: pitch3110 on 01 March 2009, 20:53
this is service.................not sure if they will help, but here goes oatz

(http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt288/pitch3110/006.jpg)

(http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt288/pitch3110/009.jpg)

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Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: matsu on 01 March 2009, 20:59
see that why this forum is the dogz!
one question and another memeber shoots to car to help out!

top man pitch!!

matsu
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: pitch3110 on 01 March 2009, 21:49
see that why this forum is the dogz!
one question and another memeber shoots to car to help out!

top man pitch!!

matsu

bless ya.....

I know what its like to have a head scratcher over something & its good to have folk help out, like the bunch on here (& tyresmoke with myA4) have done for me many a time.

cheers mate
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: LaserBlue on 02 March 2009, 01:00
this is service.................not sure if they will help, but here goes oatz

(http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt288/pitch3110/006.jpg)

(http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt288/pitch3110/009.jpg)

(http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt288/pitch3110/007.jpg)

(http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt288/pitch3110/008.jpg)


wow i cant do that on my car, but mine has standard lights
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: oatz on 02 March 2009, 07:21
Pitch you're an absolute star  :smiley:
That is how recessed the drivers headlight is with the passengers being slightly further forward (ie less gap). Damn I don't know what to do now.... *off to research how the headlights are adjusted now and maybe this is not really a cause for concern*
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: ifti on 02 March 2009, 10:35
Good on ya pitch, nuff respect!
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 02 March 2009, 13:20
Pitch you're an absolute star  :smiley:
That is how recessed the drivers headlight is with the passengers being slightly further forward (ie less gap). Damn I don't know what to do now.... *off to research how the headlights are adjusted now and maybe this is not really a cause for concern*

If they are actually different from one side to the other, then you need to ask some hard questions.

The actual headlamp assemblies do not 'drift out of alignement' with the body panels.

And for correct adjustment of the assemblies - for halogen headlamps, it is front bumper off to access the mounting adjusters, but if it has factory fit Bi-Xenons, OR halogens with the winter pack, then you can adjust them without removing the front bumper.  You just need to carefully pry out the filler piece next to the headlamp washers.

HTH
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: oatz on 02 March 2009, 13:29
Pitch you're an absolute star  :smiley:
That is how recessed the drivers headlight is with the passengers being slightly further forward (ie less gap). Damn I don't know what to do now.... *off to research how the headlights are adjusted now and maybe this is not really a cause for concern*

If they are actually different from one side to the other, then you need to ask some hard questions.

The actual headlamp assemblies do not 'drift out of alignement' with the body panels.

And for correct adjustment of the assemblies - for halogen headlamps, it is front bumper off to access the mounting adjusters, but if it has factory fit Bi-Xenons, OR halogens with the winter pack, then you can adjust them without removing the front bumper.  You just need to carefully pry out the filler piece next to the headlamp washers.

HTH

Thankyou TT they are standard lights so am I correct in assuming it is possible to adjust the whole unit/housings back into line?

Thanks!

Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 02 March 2009, 14:26
Pitch you're an absolute star  :smiley:
That is how recessed the drivers headlight is with the passengers being slightly further forward (ie less gap). Damn I don't know what to do now.... *off to research how the headlights are adjusted now and maybe this is not really a cause for concern*

If they are actually different from one side to the other, then you need to ask some hard questions.

The actual headlamp assemblies do not 'drift out of alignement' with the body panels.

And for correct adjustment of the assemblies - for halogen headlamps, it is front bumper off to access the mounting adjusters, but if it has factory fit Bi-Xenons, OR halogens with the winter pack, then you can adjust them without removing the front bumper.  You just need to carefully pry out the filler piece next to the headlamp washers.

HTH

Thankyou TT they are standard lights so am I correct in assuming it is possible to adjust the whole unit/housings back into line?

What - halogens or Xenons?  Do they have the headlamp washers?
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: oatz on 02 March 2009, 14:29
Pitch you're an absolute star  :smiley:
That is how recessed the drivers headlight is with the passengers being slightly further forward (ie less gap). Damn I don't know what to do now.... *off to research how the headlights are adjusted now and maybe this is not really a cause for concern*

If they are actually different from one side to the other, then you need to ask some hard questions.

The actual headlamp assemblies do not 'drift out of alignement' with the body panels.

And for correct adjustment of the assemblies - for halogen headlamps, it is front bumper off to access the mounting adjusters, but if it has factory fit Bi-Xenons, OR halogens with the winter pack, then you can adjust them without removing the front bumper.  You just need to carefully pry out the filler piece next to the headlamp washers.

HTH

Thankyou TT they are standard lights so am I correct in assuming it is possible to adjust the whole unit/housings back into line?

What - halogens or Xenons?  Do they have the headlamp washers?

Standard Halogens (bulbs with VW symbol on as shown in Pitch's photos)
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: pitch3110 on 02 March 2009, 14:34
wow i cant do that on my car, but mine has standard lights
[/quote]

I have got little finger's & was really pushing them in.

Perhaps mine is the bent one :shocked:

No really all is as is with the wings & all fittings in the front, that had a serious amount looking when I went to view.

Paul
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 02 March 2009, 14:43
Pitch you're an absolute star  :smiley:
That is how recessed the drivers headlight is with the passengers being slightly further forward (ie less gap). Damn I don't know what to do now.... *off to research how the headlights are adjusted now and maybe this is not really a cause for concern*

If they are actually different from one side to the other, then you need to ask some hard questions.

The actual headlamp assemblies do not 'drift out of alignement' with the body panels.

And for correct adjustment of the assemblies - for halogen headlamps, it is front bumper off to access the mounting adjusters, but if it has factory fit Bi-Xenons, OR halogens with the winter pack, then you can adjust them without removing the front bumper.  You just need to carefully pry out the filler piece next to the headlamp washers.

HTH

Thankyou TT they are standard lights so am I correct in assuming it is possible to adjust the whole unit/housings back into line?

What - halogens or Xenons?  Do they have the headlamp washers?

Standard Halogens (bulbs with VW symbol on as shown in Pitch's photos)

OK, and if you dont have headlamp washers, then it is the whole front bumper off to correctly align them to the bodywork.  Not really a big deal - you might want to have a look at this thread - http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=54324
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 02 March 2009, 14:45
wow i cant do that on my car, but mine has standard lights

I have got little finger's & was really pushing them in.

Perhaps mine is the bent one :shocked:[/quote]

Or you have pixie fingers!  :laugh:


Shhhhhh, we have now found out who can change the Xenon side lamp bulbs!  :wink:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: oatz on 02 March 2009, 14:46
Thankyou for this  :smiley: top man!

Based on the information provided would you personally avoid this one?
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: pitch3110 on 02 March 2009, 14:54
wow i cant do that on my car, but mine has standard lights

I have got little finger's & was really pushing them in.

Perhaps mine is the bent one :shocked:

Or you have pixie fingers!  :laugh:


Shhhhhh, we have now found out who can change the Xenon side lamp bulbs!  :wink:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:
[/quote]

Phew................Just legged to one of the offices next door where a pal has a MK5GTI. It has hals not xenons but the fitting of the lights is like mine. Thank F*#K.

He had it new last Feb, so I know its fine.

There is an Ed30 on the forecourt of the local dealers which I will check on the way home.

Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 02 March 2009, 14:55
Thankyou for this  :smiley: top man!

Based on the information provided would you personally avoid this one?

Its hard to say really.  A minor front end bump isn't really a big issue, providing it has been correctly repaired using genuine VW bits, and been correctly rust-proofed.  And as for any minor mis-alignment following such repairs - well most 'insurance' repairs often don't get correctly aligned minor bits such as headlamps or even bonnets.  The insurance companies really do tighten the thumbscrews with bodyshops, and because alignments are fiddly and time consuming, they are often left less than perfect.

So if it is just a misaligned headlamp, I personally wouldn't be too bothered (but I would still get the dealer to correct it as part of the sale  :wink:).  However, if a door or tailgate were misaligned, then I'd definately walk away.
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: pitch3110 on 02 March 2009, 15:02
Thankyou for this  :smiley: top man!

Based on the information provided would you personally avoid this one?

tough one.....
I just checked.......
1. all the wing fixings, all other bolts for spanner ware, markings & painting.
2. Stone chips are always a good sign.
3. suspension fittings
4. markings on lights
5. any variations in swirling on any panels.
6. Markings on glass is worth checking as well.
7. Any over spray on door shuts or rubs
8. wheel arch liners for signs of grief.

Also your local VW dealer can run a check on the car for history.

hope that helps mate

Paul
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: oatz on 02 March 2009, 15:08
Thankyou for this  :smiley: top man!

Based on the information provided would you personally avoid this one?

tough one.....
I just checked.......
1. all the wing fixings, all other bolts for spanner ware, markings & painting.
2. Stone chips are always a good sign.
3. suspension fittings
4. markings on lights
5. any variations in swirling on any panels.
6. Markings on glass is worth checking as well.
7. Any over spray on door shuts or rubs
8. wheel arch liners for signs of grief.

Also your local VW dealer can run a check on the car for history.

hope that helps mate

Paul

Thanks Guys, I did all of these checks yesterday as well as calling VW and it all checked out perfectly. I was just hoping there was a general issue with the lights. :undecided:
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: pitch3110 on 02 March 2009, 18:34
confirmed.................

Popped into the dealers and a R32 with xenons is the same as my pic's shown.

Incedentally n ED30 with hals was slightly tighter, but I could still get me pixie fingers in

ta

pic's to follow
Title: Re: Went to see one today
Post by: oatz on 02 March 2009, 20:41
I also went to a dealer today and checked a variety of golfs with varying results..... pretty much all were different to the others. Goes to show all VW's aren't created using the same mould  :nerd: