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General => General discussion => Topic started by: jay cee on 19 February 2009, 19:00
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Which oil do you recommend?
Castrol Magnatec or Mobile Super S ?
Thanks
Jon
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personally mobil super s.
The magnatec is mineral where as the super s is part synthetic
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Castrol Magnatec any day.
The Mobil Super S, whilst claiming to be a 'semi-synthetic' is actually just a refined mineral oil, using Group3 basestocks, also known as 'synthesised hydrocarbon fluids' (SHFs). It is illegal in the EU to even refer to any Gp3 SHFs as 'synthetic'. Oh, and it has no VW petrol engine approval either.
The Castrol Magnatec is a superb and much under-rated oil. Like the Mobil Super S, the Castrol Magnatec is a semi-synthetic - but a true semi-synthetic. It uses extremely high quality Group5 basestocks, aka 'esters'. These esters are actually 'polarised' (similar to being electrically charged) - and just like their advertising, work very similar to a magnet, and actually 'cling' to metal surfaces, rather than draining back into the sump overnight. Just make sure you dont use the 5w30 Magnatec, because that will be too thin. You will need either the 10w40, or if you have done some serious mileage (over 100k miles) then the 15w40 Magnatec would be better.
BTW, what is your engine?
HTH
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personally mobil super s.
The magnatec is mineral where as the super s is part synthetic
No it isn't. It is actully the other way round. The Mobil is a mineral (even though they unlawfully claim it as a 'semi-synthetic'), whereas the Magnatec is a true semi-synthetic.
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it is a 1997 MK3 2.0 8V with 125,000 on the clock.
so, what should I go for?
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lol I'm not gonna argue, seeing as you seem to know your oil!!!
I was told it was the other way round
sorry :rolleyes:
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it is a 1997 MK3 2.0 8V with 125,000 on the clock.
so, what should I go for?
If you engine is still relatively tight (well relatively for 125k miles), doesn't smoke, and doesn't use hardly any oil between changes, then I'd suggest the Magnatec 10w40. Or a cheaper option would be a Quantum oil (these are made by Castrol for Volkswagen Group UK, and share the same R&D as the mainstream Castrol oils) - Quantum Synta 10w40, again semi-synthetic, at £9.95 +vat from your Dub stealer (or TPS, and GSF even sell some Quantum oils).
But if the engine is a little loose :wink:, and burning oil, then the Magnatec 15w40. Alternatively, you could try the Quantum SL Multigrade Advanced 15w40, wich although a mineral, is actually a very high grade mineral, and at £8.61 +vat from your local VAG dealer, is quite a bargain.
You might want to look at this thread for part numbers for common VAG items, including engine oils (I've realised I need to add more of the lower spec Quantum oils :wink: ) - http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=95565
HTH
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lol I'm not gonna argue, seeing as you seem to know your oil!!!
I was told it was the other way round
sorry :rolleyes:
No worries. :wink: :smiley:
Sadly, Mobil spend far more on marketing and advertsing than they do on actual R&D - a well-known concern in the oil industry. I could ask what you know about Fuchs oils - these are some of THE best oils in the world, yet many peeps have never heard of them, because they don't really advertise.
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yes, engine is still tight, so I will go for the Castrol Magnatec.
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i use the mobil stuff, not because of any media, or being told otherwise. Just becuase it does the job, and cant see why i should change. Its not an highly tuned engine that needs exact components.
Its a 12 year old 8v golf gti, with 125k on the clock. lol
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Sorry to hi jack the thread.......
lol I'm not gonna argue, seeing as you seem to know your oil!!!
I was told it was the other way round
sorry :rolleyes:
No worries. :wink: :smiley:
Sadly, Mobil spend far more on marketing and advertsing than they do on actual R&D - a well-known concern in the oil industry. I could ask what you know about Fuchs oils - these are some of THE best oils in the world, yet many peeps have never heard of them, because they don't really advertise.
Would you recommend using fuchs in my 97 agg gti 84000 miles?
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Magnatec FTW!
Tell you why I say this, had my other car run dry from a leaking bottom hose. Engine didnt sieze and I put that soley down to the oil.
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what does FTW mean? i know i sound daft.
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what does FTW mean? i know i sound daft.
FTW= for the win :wink:
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ok, so Magnatec it is then! thanks for the help and advice
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i use the mobil stuff, not because of any media, or being told otherwise. Just becuase it does the job, and cant see why i should change. Its not an highly tuned engine that needs exact components.
Its a 12 year old 8v golf gti, with 125k on the clock. lol
I'm not saying Mobil oils are bad, and they clearly do the job, particularly in your instance. :smiley: But you sort of hit the nail on the head - yours isn't a highly tuned engine. Maybe you should take a trip to a race circuit on a mid-week test or Friday-practice day, ideally when the BTCC or BSB are there. :cool: Have a mooch round the back of the paddock garages, ask a few mechanics, and look for what oils they actually put in the engines. You will not see Mobil, but you will see a large majority of either Castrol or Fuchs Titan in cars, and Castrol, Motul, Fuchs Silkolene or Rock oils in bikes. Maybe that would give you food for thought. :wink:
All I am trying to say is that Mobil are not as good as they would have you believe - and this is simply down to the inferior basestocks which Mobil, along with virually all the American orginated oils use. And as I said, the European Union have made it illegal for the basestocks which the yanks use to be classed as 'synthetic'. A true dictonary (and encyclopaedic) definition of 'synthetic' simply means 'man-made' - so digging up some million year old dinosoar mineral oil, then refining it and re-refining it is NOT man-made - yet this is what a Group3 basestock is, and is exactly what the yanks use as 'synthetic'. A true, geniune synthetic has to be man-made - in laboratories, with boffins wearing white coats, geeky goggles and kinky rubber gloves - and these true synthetics are either Group4 basestocks (called Polyalphaoelefins - PAOs), or Group5 basestocks (called Esters, and also include Ester derivatives, such as di-esters, tri-esters, etc). :nerd:
At the end of the day, it is true that 'you pays your money, and you makes your choice' - but sadly, marketing does seriously skew the myth from the facts, and furthermore, Mobil oils are generally way overpriced compared to genuinely similar oils. Oh, and by purchasing Mobil oils, you are actually proping up the US economy, when I think we need to be looking after companies much closer to home! :wink:
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Castol FTW!
They are British??
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Sorry to hi jack the thread.......
lol I'm not gonna argue, seeing as you seem to know your oil!!!
I was told it was the other way round
sorry :rolleyes:
No worries. :wink: :smiley:
Sadly, Mobil spend far more on marketing and advertsing than they do on actual R&D - a well-known concern in the oil industry. I could ask what you know about Fuchs oils - these are some of THE best oils in the world, yet many peeps have never heard of them, because they don't really advertise.
Would you recommend using fuchs in my 97 agg gti 84000 miles?
Yup, Fuchs oils are very, very good. If you want a fully synthetic oil, then maybe the Fuchs Titan SuperSyn 5w40 would be ideal. It has VW 502.00 and 505.00 approvals, has a high ACEA petrol rating (A3) and an even higher diesel rating (B4), and is also officially aproved by BMW, Porsche and Mercedes. And just incase anyone wasn't aware, Fuchs also make Unipart oils, so at a Partco near you, the Unipart Fully Synthetic 5w/40 is idential to the Fuchs Titan SuperSyn 5w40. :wink:
Or for a really good semi-synthetic made by Fuchs, try the Unipart Semi-Synthetic 10W/40, again, the same ACEA ratings as the fully synthetic ones listed above, but has the lower VW 500.00 petrol engine rating (but still has the diesel 505.00) - and it is still suitable for turbo engines.
When choosing engine oils, there are two very crucial 'points' to consider though. Firstly, the actual engine under the bonnet - is a moderate performer, os is it high powered? Has it been modified? Is it tight, or is it rattly and worn and smokey? Turbo or non-turbo. Carburettor, manifold fuel injected, or combustion chamber direct injected? Petrol or oil burner diesel? :evil:
And the second point is your actual driving style. Do you 'drive like Miss Daisy', or are you a budding Lewis Hamilton? Throw all these different variables in the 'melting pot', and your actual choice of oils, along with the oil change interval can vary quite considerably. :nerd:
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Magnatec FTW!
Tell you why I say this, had my other car run dry from a leaking bottom hose. Engine didnt sieze and I put that soley down to the oil.
Yup, and that is the benefit of the Esters which Castrol use in Magnatec - they really do 'cling' to the metal parts of the engine 'like a magnet'. This is technically called 'boundary lubrication', and this really sorts out the decent oils from the pretenders. And even on an otherwise perfectly healthy engine, this 'boundary lubrication' occurs every morning when you start from cold, particularly on overhead cams.
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Castol FTW!
They are British??
Yup, good for you Len for flying the flag! :afro:
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sorry another hijack,
i want to buy some oil for topping up my ed30 would the fuchs titan supersyn 5w40 be a suitable oil for this job?
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Sorry to hi jack the thread.......
lol I'm not gonna argue, seeing as you seem to know your oil!!!
I was told it was the other way round
sorry :rolleyes:
No worries. :wink: :smiley:
Sadly, Mobil spend far more on marketing and advertsing than they do on actual R&D - a well-known concern in the oil industry. I could ask what you know about Fuchs oils - these are some of THE best oils in the world, yet many peeps have never heard of them, because they don't really advertise.
Would you recommend using fuchs in my 97 agg gti 84000 miles?
Yup, Fuchs oils are very, very good. If you want a fully synthetic oil, then maybe the Fuchs Titan SuperSyn 5w40 would be ideal. It has VW 502.00 and 505.00 approvals, has a high ACEA petrol rating (A3) and an even higher diesel rating (B4), and is also officially aproved by BMW, Porsche and Mercedes. And just incase anyone wasn't aware, Fuchs also make Unipart oils, so at a Partco near you, the Unipart Fully Synthetic 5w/40 is idential to the Fuchs Titan SuperSyn 5w40. :wink:
Or for a really good semi-synthetic made by Fuchs, try the Unipart Semi-Synthetic 10W/40, again, the same ACEA ratings as the fully synthetic ones listed above, but has the lower VW 500.00 petrol engine rating (but still has the diesel 505.00) - and it is still suitable for turbo engines.
When choosing engine oils, there are two very crucial 'points' to consider though. Firstly, the actual engine under the bonnet - is a moderate performer, os is it high powered? Has it been modified? Is it tight, or is it rattly and worn and smokey? Turbo or non-turbo. Carburettor, manifold fuel injected, or combustion chamber direct injected? Petrol or oil burner diesel? :evil:
And the second point is your actual driving style. Do you 'drive like Miss Daisy', or are you a budding Lewis Hamilton? Throw all these different variables in the 'melting pot', and your actual choice of oils, along with the oil change interval can vary quite considerably. :nerd:
Awesome, thanks for the advise fella :wink:
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sorry another hijack,
i want to buy some oil for topping up my ed30 would the fuchs titan supersyn 5w40 be a suitable oil for this job?
Nooooooo. You really do need to us an FSI-specific oil in the Ed30 - so basically any of the quality 'LongLife3' oils which meet the VW 504.00 standard.
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sorry another hijack,
i want to buy some oil for topping up my ed30 would the fuchs titan supersyn 5w40 be a suitable oil for this job?
Nooooooo. You really do need to us an FSI-specific oil in the Ed30 - so basically any of the quality 'LongLife3' oils which meet the VW 504.00 standard.
to save me trying to find out what one of those oils is called, do you happen to know the name of one?
thanks
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sorry another hijack,
i want to buy some oil for topping up my ed30 would the fuchs titan supersyn 5w40 be a suitable oil for this job?
Nooooooo. You really do need to us an FSI-specific oil in the Ed30 - so basically any of the quality 'LongLife3' oils which meet the VW 504.00 standard.
to save me trying to find out what one of those oils is called, do you happen to know the name of one?
thanks
Any particular preference - 'cause i'm fooked if i'm typing out all 80 of the bu&&ers!
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no preference really just one thats not too expensive.
if you could tell me a couple you`d recomend that would be great
thanks
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no preference really just one thats not too expensive.
if you could tell me a couple you`d recomend that would be great
thanks
OK. All prices plus VAT. All high quality oils with quality fully synthetic basestocks from UK or EU manufacturers (and are readily available in the UK)
- Castrol EDGE 5w30 (available from Halfrauds in 1 litre and 4 litre cans - expensive)
- Castrol SLX Professional Powerflow LongLife III 5w30 (the 'trade' version of above, available from Dub stealers in 1 litre and 5 litre cans)
- Elf Solaris LLX 5w30
- Fuchs Titan GT1 LongLife III 5w30 (GSF sell this stuff)
- Motul Specific 504.00 507.00 5w30
- Total Quartz INEO 504-507 5w30
- Unipart GT1 LongLife III (made by Fuchs, available from Partco)
- Quantum LongLife III 5w30 (made by Castrol for VW UK, at dub stealers, available in 1 lit (£5.11 trade), 5 lit (£24.19 trade), 20 lit (£86.02 trade))
- Volkswagen Original Teile LongLife III 5w30 (available in 1 litre (£7.90 trade) & 5 lit (£35.43 trade))
If you want any specific VAG part number, then shout again.
HTH
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brilliant, thanks for that, now off to buy some oil :smiley: