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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: matthewsimone on 18 February 2009, 21:30
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Hi all just a quick one, is the mk5 gti a belt or chain as read another post and someone was going on about a noisy timing chain but i was always under impression that they had belts on them to be renewed at 60k or something ???
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Yes the 2.0 FSI aka mk5 GTI is a belt; the 3.2V6 aka R32 is a chain. The brand new 2.0TSI (or something) is a chain iirc
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The brand new 2.0TSI (or something) is a chain iirc
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Yep, and having now done 60k miles, my belt is being changed next week.
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To be pedantically correct, the 2.0TFSI has both! :tongue:
It has a replaceable belt at the front end of the engine (the end furthest away from the flywheel :wink:). This takes the drive from the crankshaft to only the exhaust camshaft. At the opposite end of the engine, a simplex chain takes drive from the exhaust camshaft and transmits drive to the inlet camshaft via an adjusting unit which provides the adjustment to the variable valve timing for the inlet valves. :nerd:
And for all those who are having their timing belts replaced, please make sure they not only replace the actual belt, but also the two idler/relay rollers and the tensioning roller. If they order the timing belt KIT, rather than just the belt alone, all those bits are included.
And another very important piece of advice - I would strongly recommend getting the water pump changed (and the coolant renewed) at the same time as the timing belt. Although the water pump is not considered a 'maintenance item', it is fairly common for the water pump to fail very shortly after the timing belt is changed. This isn't a VAG-specific issue - it actually affects all engines from all manufactures who use the timing belt to drive the water pump. There is a reason why the pumps fail shortly after the timing belt change - if you wanna know more, then ask away.
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tell me more please :smiley:
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Well, basically, the reason why water pumps go t!ts up shortly after a timing belt change seems to be a result of different forces being applied in different directions (compared to those experienced during normal operations) whilst the belt is being removed, the new one fitted, re-aligned, re-tensioned.
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T-T, that's a quality post - My faith in you is restored! [for now! :evil:]
I'm about to have a chat with my trusted VW dealer [no, I'm not being sarcastic :grin:]
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P.S. - I think our relationship is one of Love/Hate, but no, I'm not getting a room with you!
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Robin if you do decide to change the water pump at the same time (and I agree it should be done) could you, if possible, take a look at the old/new parts and confirm whether the pump impellors are made of plastic or metal? Would be much appreciated :afro:
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@ topher - Yep, will do. Won't be a problem as I have workshop access at my VW dealer's.
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Redrobin, I swear your having an affair with the man at your local VW ;)
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Redrobin, I swear your having an affair with the man at your local VW ;)
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Which one!? My 'main man' was working as a mechanic/technician there but is now on the Customer Service desk but will still occasionally put on his overalls. He knows my car well and we first met when he PDI'd it in 2005. He is also an enthusiast who mods his cars. He's also the Revo rep there.
I know I'm always singing the praises of my dealers VW Loders of Dorchester, but not without good reason. They're not perfect - No-one is - But we have a very upfront and honest working relationship, good banter and good communication. I think that being a long established family business in a rural area encourages good practices.
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T-T, that's a quality post - My faith in you is restored! [for now! :evil:]
I'm about to have a chat with my trusted VW dealer [no, I'm not being sarcastic :grin:]
:afro:
:wink: :grin:
So how old is your car? Reason I ask is that whilst antifreeze/coolant is supposed to be 'filled for life' - it is still seen as a very good idea to change it at around the five year mark - so this would indeed roughly tie in with the cambelt and water pump change.
Oh, and if it is approaching 60k miles, I would seriously recommend getting the underfloor fuel filter changed too. Again, there is no actual recommended timescale for these, but in my experience, even with modern high detergent petrols, they can start to become partially blocked from 40k miles.
P.S. - I think our relationship is one of Love/Hate, but no, I'm not getting a room with you!
Awwww, shucks - I'll put my cheque book away and cancel the reservation then! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Robin if you do decide to change the water pump at the same time (and I agree it should be done) could you, if possible, take a look at the old/new parts and confirm whether the pump impellors are made of plastic or metal? Would be much appreciated :afro:
I thought I heard somewhere that all water pumps now have the metal impellors! :undecided: Even with the metal impellors, it still don't stop them from braking free of the shaft, though.
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T-T, that's a quality post - My faith in you is restored! [for now! :evil:]
I'm about to have a chat with my trusted VW dealer [no, I'm not being sarcastic :grin:]
:afro:
:wink: :grin:
So how old is your car? Reason I ask is that whilst antifreeze/coolant is supposed to be 'filled for life' - it is still seen as a very good idea to change it at around the five year mark - so this would indeed roughly tie in with the cambelt and water pump change.
Oh, and if it is approaching 60k miles, I would seriously recommend getting the underfloor fuel filter changed too. Again, there is no actual recommended timescale for these, but in my experience, even with modern high detergent petrols, they can start to become partially blocked from 40k miles.
....Car is 05-plate (August 05), 06-build, 62k miles and i have had to top up my coolant occasionally recently (usually after a very cold night in her garage). She has been run exclusively on V-Power and probably no more than 50 litres of anything else in her whole life (spoilt tart!).
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T-T, that's a quality post - My faith in you is restored! [for now! :evil:]
I'm about to have a chat with my trusted VW dealer [no, I'm not being sarcastic :grin:]
:afro:
:wink: :grin:
So how old is your car? Reason I ask is that whilst antifreeze/coolant is supposed to be 'filled for life' - it is still seen as a very good idea to change it at around the five year mark - so this would indeed roughly tie in with the cambelt and water pump change.
Oh, and if it is approaching 60k miles, I would seriously recommend getting the underfloor fuel filter changed too. Again, there is no actual recommended timescale for these, but in my experience, even with modern high detergent petrols, they can start to become partially blocked from 40k miles.
....Car is 05-plate (August 05), 06-build, 62k miles and i have had to top up my coolant occasionally recently (usually after a very cold night in her garage). She has been run exclusively on V-Power and probably no more than 50 litres of anything else in her whole life (spoilt tart!).
So it really wouldn't be too early for a coolant change too.
And be a devil, try some Tesco 99 for a change - especially as they are doing the 5p a litre discount again! :evil: :laugh: :laugh:
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Robin if you do decide to change the water pump at the same time (and I agree it should be done) could you, if possible, take a look at the old/new parts and confirm whether the pump impellors are made of plastic or metal? Would be much appreciated :afro:
I thought I heard somewhere that all water pumps now have the metal impellors! :undecided: Even with the metal impellors, it still don't stop them from braking free of the shaft, though.
i'd heard that too, but it's always nice to have confirmation
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Robin if you do decide to change the water pump at the same time (and I agree it should be done) could you, if possible, take a look at the old/new parts and confirm whether the pump impellors are made of plastic or metal? Would be much appreciated :afro:
I thought I heard somewhere that all water pumps now have the metal impellors! :undecided: Even with the metal impellors, it still don't stop them from braking free of the shaft, though.
....I've just had a chat with my man at my VW dealers and he said exactly the same - There used to be probs braking off the shaft when plastic and he thinks the Mk5 has metal impellors but didn't know for certain off-hand but we'd look and so I'll confirm here next week.
He also agreed that, although it wasn't on the servicing 'list', we should renew the water pump while at it and I'd only be charged the cost of the part.
Similarly the underfloor fuel filter is meant to be a 'lifetime' part but he changes his on his own cars every 2 years anyway and he said that with a remapped car running V-Power it was good maintenance practice. So, it'll be done too - It's only £25 and includes a 'regulator'.
Oh, and my dealer would be changing the coolant anyway and also be doing a pressure test. And they only replace the whole cambelt kit with rollers etc and wouldn't entertain just doing the rubber belt alone.
I think my car is in good hands and it's wrong that apparently not all VW dealers are like this. :afro: Dare I say I'm lucky!
Thanks for your valuable input on this, T_T :afro:
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I'm so jealous Robin, I don't trust any of the dealers in my area one bit :(
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Robin if you do decide to change the water pump at the same time (and I agree it should be done) could you, if possible, take a look at the old/new parts and confirm whether the pump impellors are made of plastic or metal? Would be much appreciated :afro:
I thought I heard somewhere that all water pumps now have the metal impellors! :undecided: Even with the metal impellors, it still don't stop them from braking free of the shaft, though.
....I've just had a chat with my man at my VW dealers and he said exactly the same - There used to be probs braking off the shaft when plastic and he thinks the Mk5 has metal impellors but didn't know for certain off-hand but we'd look and so I'll confirm here next week.
He also agreed that, although it wasn't on the servicing 'list', we should renew the water pump while at it and I'd only be charged the cost of the part.
Similarly the underfloor fuel filter is meant to be a 'lifetime' part but he changes his on his own cars every 2 years anyway and he said that with a remapped car running V-Power it was good maintenance practice. So, it'll be done too - It's only £25 and includes a 'regulator'.
Oh, and my dealer would be changing the coolant anyway and also be doing a pressure test. And they only replace the whole cambelt kit with rollers etc and wouldn't entertain just doing the rubber belt alone.
I think my car is in good hands and it's wrong that apparently not all VW dealers are like this. :afro: Dare I say I'm lucky!
Thanks for your valuable input on this, T_T :afro:
As always, you are all most welcome to my help and input, irrespective of weather anyone chooses to implement or ignore it. :smiley:
Do you reckon you could get a photo of the new water pump before being fitted, and another one of the old one? And you might also like to try the 'blow through' test on the old and new fuel filters, providing that the health and safety boffins don't lynch you (oh, and you don't mind the odd taste of V-Power . . . . and I said blow, not suck!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:)
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I'm so jealous Robin, I don't trust any of the dealers in my area one bit :(
....Sadly, that's a familiar story and it's not just a customer being ultra fussy either. It's the luck of the draw based on where you live.
Imagine the scenario of an engaged couple home-hunting, they've just viewed a possible home which they both loved, but he's a dedicated Dubber.....
Him: "Darling, before making our decision let's go and check out the nearest VW dealer"
Her, after a long pause: "Sweetie, why do you want us to do that?" Thinking whether she was right to have accepted his marriage proposal.
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I'm so jealous Robin, I don't trust any of the dealers in my area one bit :(
I'm the same. I've been complaining of my boot literally filling with water for the last three winters - at least 2" deep in the spare wheel well. It has had one 'master technician', then another, then their body shop, then their 'Eos roof expert' - even though three winters ago, I personally told the dealer principal (and everyone downwards) exactly where the water was leaking from. I couple of weeks ago, I literally blew my top, walked into their workshop, jacked up the front, and with the help of their tiny service reception girl, had to physically show them where the leak was coming from.
Every time it goes in, they always miss something off the job, or leave the interior like the inside of a pikey travellers transit van. And it isn't just my local stealer. Two other nearby stealers are as bad too. And as for Ipswich VW, don't get me started on them!
My local Audi stealer is better, but they still can't properly diagnose faults correctly . . . . I really do wonder why Volkswagen Group UK allows such incompetence in all their dealers. That isn't to say they are all bad, because as Robin can testify, there ARE some good dealers - but sadly, the 'minimum standard of competence' accepted by VW UK is grossly below what should ever be deemed acceptable. :angry:
I've actually had much better VAG service in France and Andorra, even with my pidgeon french and catalan!
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Do you reckon you could get a photo of the new water pump before being fitted, and another one of the old one? And you might also like to try the 'blow through' test on the old and new fuel filters, providing that the health and safety boffins don't lynch you (oh, and you don't mind the odd taste of V-Power . . . . and I said blow, not suck!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:)
....Photos absolutely no problem. Blow-jobs Blow-throughs is something I'll play by ear on the day - I don't want to overstay my welcome as they are a busy workshop and there are H&S rules in place.
Workshops are so different about access - For example, JKM and TTshop politely keep people out whereas VWR are completely open and say that it's mostly common sense and people with performance cars usually have their wits about them.
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/RED_ramp_Loders.jpg)
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I really do wonder why Volkswagen Group UK allows such incompetence in all their dealers. That isn't to say they are all bad, because as Robin can testify, there ARE some good dealers - but sadly, the 'minimum standard of competence' accepted by VW UK is grossly below what should ever be deemed acceptable. :angry:
....Yes, VW UK could and should do much more to raise the standards of VW's frontline representatives. It's what's behind all that slick and glossy VW branded shopfitting which matters!
Just take a look at this premises - A1 Wheel Renovations in Wolverhampton - Looks like a back-street minicab firm, but their customer care and work is very much "A1"!
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/RED_A1_Wolverhampton.jpg)
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So, has anyone else here changed there timing belt yet?
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So, has anyone else here changed there timing belt yet?
It would appear not then! :undecided:
Ask if you can keep the old bits when you have it done.
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So, has anyone else here changed there timing belt yet?
It would appear not then! :undecided:
Ask if you can keep the old bits when you have it done.
....Okay, can do.
Why? Are you wanting me to make you a special necklace? :evil:
No, just joking, I expect you'd like me to take pics [feckin' perv!] of the parts. I shan't be able to get in my garage soon with all the bits off my car!!
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cheers lads think youve answered my original question :smiley:
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Good to know :afro:
Inevitably (if I'm posting) the thread often meanders off-topic but sometimes in a very positive and useful way, as I think this one did. Lots of helpful-to-all info came out.
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yep deffo agree with you there robin some of these posts go way off track lol but as you say usualy in a informative useful way only had my gti a week or so and trying to get as much info as poss from you guys, cheers again anyway :smiley:
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yep deffo agree with you there robin some of these posts go way off track lol but as you say usualy in a informative useful way only had my gti a week or so and trying to get as much info as poss from you guys, cheers again anyway :smiley:
Ahhhhh, you have now discovered one of the foibles of the GolfGTIforum !!! :grin:
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Going off topic is an unwritten rule of the forum :D
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Cheese sarnies for lunch . . . hmmm, nice!
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Fresh steamed-in-their-shells mussels with just a squeeze of lemon juice for my 'lunch' :evil: