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Title: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: bobbarley on 13 February 2009, 22:00
For those of you going to the RR day on 28th March, post what you guess your BHP will be.  Then after the day we can see how spot on we all were! :afro:

I'm going to go with 180bhp for my 1.8T  :smiley:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Rhyso on 13 February 2009, 22:04
lol - anything i've said had anything to do with that guess  :rolleyes:

hmmmmmm

165bhp
285lbs ft torque
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: bully85 on 13 February 2009, 22:04
mine will be 0 at the min beat that! :laugh:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Steve_PD on 13 February 2009, 22:08
hmmm, with my 190 map on I reckon around 188bhp and 293 lbf.ft  :wink:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Rhyso on 13 February 2009, 22:13
hmmm, with my 190 map on I reckon around 188bhp and 293 lbf.ft  :wink:


 :tongue:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Steve_PD on 13 February 2009, 22:15
Do we get a prize for being the closest??

hmmm, with my 190 map on I reckon around 188bhp and 293 lbf.ft  :wink:


 :tongue:

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Rhyso on 13 February 2009, 22:20
Do we get a prize for being the closest??

hmmm, with my 190 map on I reckon around 188bhp and 293 lbf.ft  :wink:


 :tongue:

 :rolleyes:

i reckon your clutch will slip and you'll make 5bhp  :laugh: :laugh: :kiss:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: bobbarley on 13 February 2009, 22:22
Your prize... eh.....

One night with Rhys!!!
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Rhyso on 13 February 2009, 22:23
Your prize... eh.....

One night with Rhys!!!

urm no  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: MrTurner on 13 February 2009, 22:27
Depends on the rr and the intake temps  :smiley: At the wheels or fly?  Fly I'm guessing 187.6 for mine :cool:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Rhyso on 13 February 2009, 22:29
Depends on the rr and the intake temps  :smiley: At the wheels or fly?  Fly I'm guessing 187.6 for mine :cool:

Fly
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Steve_PD on 13 February 2009, 22:34
i reckon your clutch will slip and you'll make 5bhp  :laugh: :laugh: :kiss:

I'll have a new clutch buy then  :tongue:

Depends on the rr and the intake temps  :smiley: At the wheels or fly?  Fly I'm guessing 187.6 for mine :cool:

If we're going to go in .'s 188.7bhp 293.8 lbf.ft +
 :cool:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: bobbarley on 13 February 2009, 22:41
Come the RR I'll have my TIP fitted hopefully, and will have done my service, so some nice fresh oil, spark plugs, fuel filter etc.  Give her the best possible chance :)
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Grand Master Patch on 13 February 2009, 22:53
When and where is the rr day?
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Steve_PD on 13 February 2009, 22:57
At R-tech-28th March (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=105057.0)  :smiley:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Grand Master Patch on 13 February 2009, 23:05
I've posted on there,i've requested a reserve list spot :smiley:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 13 February 2009, 23:48
mmmm i cant wait to find out :laugh: er il say 212bhp & lbs.ft? :cool:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: jonnyturbo on 13 February 2009, 23:53
i will say 190bhp and dnt know bout the torque lol
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: (shakey) on 13 February 2009, 23:55
i am goin to say about 195 to 200bhp  :wink:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 13 February 2009, 23:56
i will say 190bhp and dnt know bout the torque lol
should be bit more than that jonny  :wink:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: jonnyturbo on 14 February 2009, 00:06
hmm we wil c. Should go bit better with the revised map in and downpipe and sports cat
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Grand Master Patch on 14 February 2009, 00:24
Are we talking average bhp or pub talk figures?
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: bobbarley on 14 February 2009, 00:25
Whatever the results from the RR show.  I don't know how they're worked out.
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 14 February 2009, 00:31
Are we talking average bhp or pub talk figures?
average bhp :afro:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Grand Master Patch on 14 February 2009, 01:06
Are we talking average bhp or pub talk figures?
average bhp :afro:

Might have to do this k03s conversion if 212bhp is your average :cool:
I'll guess mine at 181bhp average
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: dai-cymru on 14 February 2009, 01:23
im going to guess at 190 bhp for mine  :smiley:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: shaft69 on 14 February 2009, 09:29
About 210ish!! Bloody goes well anyway.
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Ivor Mk4 Turbo on 14 February 2009, 09:40
214.9 bhp/242 lb/ft?? :undecided:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: RTechUK on 14 February 2009, 18:32
We are working with the new rolling road software, to get a true gauge of the transmission losses, We will do a run and get the wBHP and fly bhp.  But like all rolling roads the fly bhp can be taken with a pinch of salt.

We played with a 130PD at the begining of the week on the dyno and tested wheel outputs, next week we are going to spend a few days getting the drag loss setup on the road.

 @wheels     r1  STD        REMAPPED
peak bhp      101bhp     128bhp +27wbhp
avg bhp         72bhp      97bhp  +25wbhp
peak torque   191lbft     263lbft +72 lbft
avg torque     142lbft    202lbft  +60 lbft


(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/Rtechremaps/passat.jpg)
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: mk4Martin on 14 February 2009, 20:56
I have sold my golf now but i got 196.4 with a remap
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: richw911 on 14 February 2009, 21:01
I have sold my golf now but i got 196.4 with a remap

Engine code?
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Grand Master Patch on 14 February 2009, 21:54
My guess at average bhp has come down looking at those figure from R-Tech,maybe 120 average bhp.
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: bobbarley on 14 February 2009, 21:56
I just want to know what my peak BHP is  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Rhyso on 14 February 2009, 22:18
thread cleaned up - lets stick to the topic in hand rather than willy waving

i'm going for 125bhp average

i'll unlock this if and when we can keep to the topic
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: mk4Martin on 14 February 2009, 23:05
agu engine - chipped uk map
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Steve_PD on 14 February 2009, 23:16
My guess is average power of 130 ish
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: bobbarley on 14 February 2009, 23:50
Thanks Rhys :)
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: ben1.8T on 16 February 2009, 08:24
I would say about 213bhp hopefully for mine :cool:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Dubbz on 16 February 2009, 11:08
 :undecided:
No fly.  :grin:  :tongue:
Bhp anyones guess..  :rolleyes: 103.  :embarassed:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: bobbarley on 16 February 2009, 17:23
I'm uppin gmy guess to 185bhp based on the fast the TIP seems to have made the car come alive :)
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: player.777 on 16 February 2009, 17:53
MMmm tricky- well I had mine RR''d and after the origianal rtech remap, and got 179bhp.  Then Nick came and revised the map (which felt better) then I put in the DSG intake and smooted the box- so I'm hoping its all made a difference- I'm going for 185bhp.
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: stealth_gti on 16 February 2009, 20:00
450 bhp  :cool:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: RTechUK on 16 February 2009, 20:04
450 bhp  :cool:

lol  Wake up from your wet dream... :grin: 
or have you won the lottery?

Nick
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: stealth_gti on 16 February 2009, 20:19
lol nick sort it out, how could you squeese it out a 1.8t
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: bobbarley on 16 February 2009, 20:20
lol nick sort it out, how could you squeese it out a 1.8t
Yeah Nick, CC could do it  :grin:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 16 February 2009, 20:20
with great difficulty :grin:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: sambo on 16 February 2009, 20:25
No idea. Had it RR @ 193bhp last year? Hopefully i'll have stage 2? (ko3s, tip, filter, full exhaust) by then. I would be chuffed with 220bhp, happy with 210bhp and gutted with 193bhp  :laugh:

Sam
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: bobbarley on 16 February 2009, 20:25
K03s, WILL be mine..  One day  :laugh:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 16 February 2009, 20:34
K03s, WILL be mine..  One day  :laugh:
not managed to source one yet bob :laugh:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: bobbarley on 16 February 2009, 20:35
Not looking, can't afford it :(
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: RTechUK on 16 February 2009, 20:35
lol nick sort it out, how could you squeese it out a 1.8t
Depends how much i can squeeze out of ya pocket!! :grin:  (you still got them tyres on ya car :rolleyes:)
 You will be happy with the Ko3s upgrade and remap like Ivor-mk4s AGU which is fast and smooth.  

Most I have ever seen a stock AGU run is 202bhp.  Most AGUs will make 190-195bhp on ron98+ its all down to how good the engine is.  Stock AUMs will pull 205-210bhp all day long,  TDI 150bhp =190bhp TDi 130bhp =165-170bhp.
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: bobbarley on 16 February 2009, 20:36
Most AGUs will make 190-195bhp on ron98+ its all down to how good the engine is.
Reckon I've a chance then?  Only 30k on the clock, and it never skips a beat :)
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 16 February 2009, 20:38
lol nick sort it out, how could you squeese it out a 1.8t
Depends how much i can squeeze out of ya pocket!! :grin:  (you still got them tyres on ya car :rolleyes:)
 You will be happy with the Ko3s upgrade and remap like Ivor-mk4s AGU which is fast and smooth.  

Most I have ever seen a stock AGU run is 202bhp.  Most AGUs will make 190-195bhp on ron98+ its all down to how good the engine is.  Stock AUMs will pull 205-210bhp all day long,  TDI 150bhp =190bhp TDi 130bhp =165-170bhp.
hope so  :laugh: sure mine will nick  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: sambo on 16 February 2009, 20:39
So if you had an AUM with stage 2 and an AGU with stage 2 would they both be about the same or do the extra sensor's and DBW help squeeze a little more out of the AUM lump?

Bobbarley, i picked up my KO3s for £101.65 (£1.65 cash machine charge at the local esso  :angry:) so can be had for reasonable money if your patient. Seeing them go for £225 on Ebay makes me laugh!
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: bobbarley on 16 February 2009, 20:39
Where'd you buy it from?
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: topher on 16 February 2009, 20:41
agu has a better ported head so should make more top end bhp with a k03s than an aum
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: sambo on 16 February 2009, 20:42
Was on ebay but local. Phoned him up about an hour after it was listed and asked him how much for cash.. he said £100. Went round the following day expecting a bag 'o' sh!te but it looked good.

Just hope it is, but wouldn't be any differant unless you saw it running on the car you bought it off. (unlikely)

Sam
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: RTechUK on 16 February 2009, 20:43
Most AGUs will make 190-195bhp on ron98+ its all down to how good the engine is.
Reckon I've a chance then?  Only 30k on the clock, and it never skips a beat :)

If it still feels the same as the day we remapped it at santa pod then you should see 190bhp+.

I have seen all my mk4 remaps make the quoted power, plus I have seen the same remaps make pants results.  But I am soon on the case to find out where the power has gone to.  Gricey AUM was the best one, I knew thought the remap would make 210bhp with ease but we could only get around 180bhp..only to find half the turbo was missing.

Nick
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: bobbarley on 16 February 2009, 20:44
Most AGUs will make 190-195bhp on ron98+ its all down to how good the engine is.
Reckon I've a chance then?  Only 30k on the clock, and it never skips a beat :)

If it still feels the same as the day we remapped it at santa pod then you should see 190bhp+.

It feels even better than it did at Pod actually, since the air filter and TIP :)
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: RTechUK on 16 February 2009, 20:47
lol nick sort it out, how could you squeese it out a 1.8t
Depends how much i can squeeze out of ya pocket!! :grin:  (you still got them tyres on ya car :rolleyes:)
 You will be happy with the Ko3s upgrade and remap like Ivor-mk4s AGU which is fast and smooth.  

Most I have ever seen a stock AGU run is 202bhp.  Most AGUs will make 190-195bhp on ron98+ its all down to how good the engine is.  Stock AUMs will pull 205-210bhp all day long,  TDI 150bhp =190bhp TDi 130bhp =165-170bhp.
hope so  :laugh: sure mine will nick  :rolleyes:

If we get the transmission losses right I am sure your AUM will make closet to 220bhp. :grin:

Nick

Make sure you all fill up a few days prior with some good fuel.. If not the ecu will cut back the ignition and nick some of your power.

Nick
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: sambo on 16 February 2009, 20:49
Nick would welcome a comment on my question a few post's up re: AUM vs AGU

Cheers in advance, Sam  :grin:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: bobbarley on 16 February 2009, 20:49
Nick, can the RR do 0-60 times too?
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: RTechUK on 16 February 2009, 20:56

Yes it can work out 0-60 0-100 60-100  and 1/4 mile drag times which should reflect near on actual road going results, but this all depends in the information we put in to the dyno laptop, weight (not hard to do)  and front drag area of the car which is a pain to work out.  (we even have a light tree like the one at santa pod..lol)
We have worked the  front drag factor out on a WRX track car but not a mk4.  I will have it worked out for the rolling road day. but I dont think we car drag start and dyno run every car on the day.

Nick
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: sambo on 16 February 2009, 20:59
Obviously petrol car's will get priority seeing as they are performance derived. Diesels can drive around the estate for the day to see how many mile's they did to a tank of fuel, far more beneficial for there 'pub' talk ....   :smug:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Rhyso on 16 February 2009, 21:01
Obviously petrol car's will get priority seeing as they are performance derived. Diesels can drive around the estate for the day to see how many mile's they did to a tank of fuel, far more beneficial for there 'pub' talk ....

pah - pub talk figures will be about the torque produced  :tongue:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 16 February 2009, 21:02
Obviously petrol car's will get priority seeing as they are performance derived. Diesels can drive around the estate for the day to see how many mile's they did to a tank of fuel, far more beneficial for there 'pub' talk ....   :smug:
pmsl there you go rhyso  :laugh: :grin:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: RTechUK on 16 February 2009, 21:05
So if you had an AUM with stage 2 and an AGU with stage 2 would they both be about the same or do the extra sensor's and DBW help squeeze a little more out of the AUM lump?

Bobbarley, i picked up my KO3s for £101.65 (£1.65 cash machine charge at the local esso  :angry:) so can be had for reasonable money if your patient. Seeing them go for £225 on Ebay makes me laugh!

The AUM will make more power hands down, because the ecu if far more advance on the dbw engines,  but if both where on stand alone or the both used the same ecu the AGU with the ko3s would get the best results back to back.   Like Topher said the AGU has bigger ports to allow greater flow.

Nick
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: sambo on 16 February 2009, 21:09
Cheers for the reply Nick. Don't suppose an ECU upgrade is a viable option though is it, woould be easier just to stick a big turbo or similar on?


Cheers, Sam
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: RTechUK on 16 February 2009, 21:16
Cheers for the reply Nick. Don't suppose an ECU upgrade is a viable option though is it, woould be easier just to stick a big turbo or similar on?


Cheers, Sam

M3.8 to Me7.5 would be a huge task to carry out.  If you have the money to spend the best option for the non bdw engine is the Omex ecu systems.  Not cheap but well worth it.

Nick
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: ben1.8T on 17 February 2009, 08:29
Looking forward to this will be a good day me tinks.  :cool:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: RTechUK on 17 February 2009, 18:06
Looking forward to this will be a good day me tinks.  :cool:

We are also looking forward to the rr day, its our 1st one so we dont know what to expect from it. I worry too much I like every thing to be 100%.

Nick
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Kerrse on 17 February 2009, 18:38
Hope it all goes well for you, i will defo put my name down for the next one  :grin:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 17 February 2009, 20:09
myself and jonnyturbo are looking forward to the rr day to goin to be good first time i have ever had a car on a rr so it will be an experience should be ok in nicks capable hands lol  :grin: :wink:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: bobbarley on 17 February 2009, 20:12
I've never been on a RR either
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: T_J_G on 17 February 2009, 20:14
I reckon I'll get 204BHP
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Rhyso on 17 February 2009, 20:15
will be my 4th rolling road

hoping for an improvement on the last one!
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 17 February 2009, 20:22
will be my 4th rolling road

hoping for an improvement on the last one!
quality whats it like rhys? :smiley:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: AlanD on 17 February 2009, 20:23
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm 240 for me. More if I get my carbino intake done before.

Isnt this exciting lol
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: kcolevol on 17 February 2009, 22:10
Last remap was 210.9, not sure on torque.  Where is R-Tech, im interested in coming to this!!!
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 17 February 2009, 22:34
see here mate  :wink: [urlhttp://www.r-techpower.co.uk/contact.php][/url]
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Steve_PD on 17 February 2009, 23:03
 R-Tech (http://www.r-techpower.co.uk/contact.php)
 :wink:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: Rhyso on 18 February 2009, 07:50
will be my 4th rolling road

hoping for an improvement on the last one!
quality whats it like rhys? :smiley:

strange really - whilst you're excited to see how your car performs there is a nagging doubt something will go BANG lol  :laugh:
Title: Re: RR - Guess your BHP
Post by: ben1.8T on 18 February 2009, 08:13
I had my saxo on the rollers was mental had rining ears after. Looking forward to see what the power is.  :cool: