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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: Haribo! on 06 February 2009, 09:53
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Ive just bought a 87 8v GTI, has 3 different keys, one for the locks, one for igniton, and one for the petrol cap.
I want to buy a set so I have one key for all, I was wondering tho, how do you change the ignition barrel? Last time I did it, I just changed the whole colum?(if thats what its called, the long black thing) I would like to avoid that.
as or the petrol cap, does a non central locking mk2 still have the mechanism for central locking on the flap? or do I need to get one... and will it bolt straight on if I do? Cause I want to add central locking too once ive sorted the locks out, then I wont need a lock for the petrol cap.
Hari
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also, is there a particular ignition housing for pre and post 90 golfs?
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Can only help with the petrol cap enquiry.
What the central locking does is push a thin metal spike/pin through a bracket on your petrol flap. If you can't see a spike thing sticking out on the left hand side just behind the petrol flap then I'd imagine it would be quite hard to do yourself.
Hope this helps.
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Id be interested in hearing about this too as I only have 2 keys for my car in total and the door and ignition locks are different! :huh:
Probably a sign its been broken into in the past but it would be nice to get a uniform set of locks and of course some spare keys. My worry was changing the ignition barrel also, and do you think it would affect the immobiliser that is fitted? Seems a pretty basic immobilser (like some kind of diode inside a plastic key fob that you de-activate on the dash before you put the key in)
Dont want to open a whole can of worms and have my car off the road!
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IIRC there are differences to the boot lock mechanism for central locking.
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You can buy a lock kit from VW, and pay a fortune, or you can buy one from GSF, which are cheaper and I have not heard bad reports about them. The doors and the boot are relatively easy to replace. The ignition is a b@stard. You have to remove the column shroud, the streering wheel, the steering wheel lock assembly, and then you need a drill.
Look in the Haynes for the exact way to do it.
I had to change the locks on my last 8v as some fatherless son of a b!tch tried nicking the door handle at my local scrap yard. Trashed the door handle, the lock and damaged the door panel. Phukin' Morrocan pikies!
The petrol cap is on its own as an after market add on, so separate keys for that.
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or try a locksmith and get all the locks changed to match the ignition key
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Yeah, ignition change is an absolute swine/fiddly job, but haynes has a step by step guide.
You can buy whole lot from GSF and a quick trawl of ebay will turn up the goods no doubt. As for locking fuel cap and central locking is what I've got, bit belt and braces i know, but i'm like that... :grin:
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Just re-tumble the door and boot locks to the ignition surely the easiest way. no removing column. no drilling. no mess.
you can take the barrels out the door handles and boot lock easy.. then you have to make it using the brass tumbles so that when the key is in they all sit flat. might have some spare tumblers here if need be.. :wink:
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Hey mattneck...so if I got the pins out of random barrels, I could make my own lock?? 'cause at the mo my driver side is different to my passenger side and ignition, which are the same, and I have two spare barrels in my car from the scrappy when I was replacing the handles
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Hey mattneck...so if I got the pins out of random barrels, I could make my own lock?? 'cause at the mo my driver side is different to my passenger side and ignition, which are the same, and I have two spare barrels in my car from the scrappy when I was replacing the handles
Yes you can, providing you have all the gates necessary. Just don't lose the springs!
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yes, each brass tumbler/gate piece is numbered, you just need to match the set and order in the pass side into the drivers and the boot lock, though as i say you can do it by eye also, you just have to fnd the oens that with the key fully inserted sit flush which then allow the barrel to turn.. youll see when you remvoe it what i mean a lot better!
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ign lock and housing is different pre/post 90, and yeah the boot lock is different on central locking models, plus non of the central locking gubbins for the flap is present on a non cl car.
for the flap you need a new flap with the pin, and all the mech mehind it. I converted a vacuum lock mech to work with an aftermarket electric lockign kit, wasnt that hard just a bit of fiddling with pins and bracketry, same story with the boot lock :)
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I see, im likeing the retumbling idea best by the sounds of it, is it difficult?
So i can change all my existing locks to match my ignition lock?
this way seems to save me 40-50 quid :D
Whats the catch?
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I see, im likeing the retumbling idea best by the sounds of it, is it difficult?
So i can change all my existing locks to match my ignition lock?
this way seems to save me 40-50 quid :D
Whats the catch?
No catch. As has already been said, you need to make sure you have sufficiently numbered gates to be able to build the correct code. Fiddley and time consuming, but not difficult.
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Its time consuming but it can be done. get one of your locks and a big pile of spare tumblers. Gradually build the lock up bit by bit, fit the key after each fitment of a tumbler. pop the key in and chack the tumbler is flush. Repeat till you get them, all in without any bits poking out. Once you get this far, strip it back down and lay the tumblers out in order, note the markings on each one (notches on the side of the tumbler) and write this down. This is your lock code, use this to build the other locks.
Other option is to remove the ign lock, and strip that down, note the codes as above. You need to drill a hole in the right spot to pop the lock out, then apparently you can bash a pin out of the ign lock to strip it down. I havent tried this yet but according to the vortex it is doable!
As a last resort if you cant get a tumbler that fits in a particular slot, you can grind it down till flush. However if you do this there is a chance the lock will end up working with more than one VW key!
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This has taken me 10 minutes of trawling my browser history, hope its useful!
http://www.hallvw.clara.net/lockpart.htm
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im sure ive got a set of pre and a set of post 90 locks. ie ignition barrel and front doors if you want these? all with keys of course
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the problem I have, is that I dotn know what a tum,bler is, so im having a hard time knowing what your all on about :p
Dolly-if im to just change the locks, il need the ign barrel attached to housing and I need a petrol cap too :S
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read bens link, it will become clear ;)
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read bens link, it will become clear ;)
Looked at it, still lost, perhaps its a bad idea for me to try.
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You are not going to get anywhere unless you have a look at it are you? If you are faced with replacing the locks, then you have nothing to lose so you may as well try.
Remove, say, you passenger side door handle. Once you have it removed, take it inside and fit the key that fits. Then remove the screw that secures the latch to the lock barrel. TAKE NOTE ON HOW THE SPRING IS FITTED.
Then remove the barrel with the key still inserted. You need to do this to prevent the tumblers, gates, or whatever you want to call them, from springing out and losing them. Once removed, carefully remove the key and all the little brass tumblers/gates (etc etc) will spring out. You will notice that all of them will be different. Remove the gates/tumblers (etc etc) and don't lose the springs that are underneath them. Take the whole lot apart and find out how it works. It is not rocket science.
If you make a cock up, then do what you were going to originally do and replace them. If it works out ok, then with a little time, you will save yourself money.
If you do not have the required gates/tumblers (etc, etc) then go to your local scrapyard and get as many lock barrels that you can fit in you pockets and these will give you an abundance of spare parts.
Then reassemble and fit to the door handle.
Its fiddley but not difficult.
If somebody had to explain to a non driver, how exactly to drive a car, and write it all down, most would say bugger that, its too difficult. But its not, its a peice of piss once you get in and do it. Its exactly the same with most things. With a bit of common sense, most things are acheivable. Now go and give it a try.
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I couldn't get the tumblers out, they weren't just falling out :(
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old cruddy locks can be sticky, i used a thin screwdriver to tap the fingers out in these cases. also some are held in with a slght crimp to the lock housing, I've only ever seen this on glovebox locks, but they should still pop out without much effort.
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hmm, as far as my luck goes with fiddly but "easy" jobs, im gonna give this one a miss and just pay for the simple option, luckily ive found a set for 25 posted so its not a massive pay out,
Thanks for the info guys :)
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I tried swapping a lock barrel, but all the tumblers fell out. :angry:
Anyhow, I put it back together with no tumblers in, and now the ignition key fits both doors. :smiley: So does every other similary shaped object, but I figured it aint the most secure car in the world, so if they want to get in, they will do.
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I tried swapping a lock barrel, but all the tumblers fell out. :angry:
Anyhow, I put it back together with no tumblers in, and now the ignition key fits both doors. :smiley: So does every other similary shaped object, but I figured it aint the most secure car in the world, so if they want to get in, they will do.
And where do you live?? :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed:
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I tried swapping a lock barrel, but all the tumblers fell out. :angry:
Anyhow, I put it back together with no tumblers in, and now the ignition key fits both doors. :smiley: So does every other similary shaped object, but I figured it aint the most secure car in the world, so if they want to get in, they will do.
And where do you live?? :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed:
LOL :grin: