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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Dogbucket on 03 February 2009, 18:18
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Bit of a long shot, but has anybody gone from a mk4 R32 to a mk5 GTI/ed30 to a mk5 R32?
Reason I ask was my mk4 R32 was fantastic but ultimately seemed to suffer from a number of inherent problems which everyone seemed to get, hence selling up (most imo were short comings in the mk4 platform though).
The mk5 ed30 I have found to be a much more polished product, nothing has gone wrong in 30k but lacks a certain something. Well it lacks 4wd mainly!
Seeing as I could trade the GTI for a mk5 R32, will it be the perfect marriage of the mk5 platform and V6, or could it be a step back more like the old one? So I guess if you have a mk5 R32 has it been reliable?
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I haven't personally gone down your 'route' - but regarding the Mk5s, with the exception of the Haldex, 4wd rear end, and the power take off on the gearbox - then the Mk5s share identical mechanicals. The Mk5 R32 is tremendously refined though, and I gather is more refined than a Mk4 R32 - so if you are looking for any kind of particular raw edge which the Mk4 had - then I guess you may be a tad disapointed.
Best advice as always is to have a nice long test drive, just to satisfy your self it will actually meet your needs.
Topher should be along to give his opinion on the R32.
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I went from a Mk 4 R32 to a Mk 5 Ed30 and also don't feel the love that I had for the R32 and wonder if I should have got a Mk 5 R32 instead sometimes!! :undecided:
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I went down this route & I am now selling the ED30 cos I miss the R32............. :drool:
Although on my next MKV R32 I will go for DSG.
Both the ED30 & R32 have been flawless but I miss the grip & sure footedness of the 32....As well as the noise :drool:
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not had the ED30 but did have a friends MK4 R32 for a few weeks many moons ago. The main difference I would say is the ride... the MK5 seem to be a lot smoother and suffers from less jolts and bumps. Downside is you dont get the recaros as std in the mk5.
Cant offer much more than that im afraid as I didnt have it long enough to know what the mk4 is like to live with.... oh yes and the MK4 defo consumed more fuel :wink: :grin:
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Cant offer much more than that im afraid as I didnt have it long enough to know what the mk4 is like to live with.... oh yes and the MK4 defo consumed more fuel :wink: :grin:
:lipsrsealed: naughty! just cos it was your birthday yesterday! :laugh:
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Not quite your required sequence :rolleyes:
but I went from a
Mk IV V6 4-motion manual >>> MK V Gti DSG >>> Mk V ED 30 manual >>> Mk V R32 DSG
Biggest difference for me between the Mk IV (not R32) and Mk V is in the handling, the Mk V is far better IMHO.
Must say I am loving the current Mk V R32 DSG, perfect for this weather too :grin:
However, I also rate the ED 30 very highly, and depending on your own preferences, both are great cars to own long term IMO.
for performance (turbo punch), tuning capabilities and most fun handling ("chuckability") the ED30 is best :cool:.
for grip, traction off the line, sure-footedness & of course the sound track :evil: the R32 wins hands down :smiley:
and I rate the DSG as an almost essential too (for me anyway) ! ... makes the R32 absolutely awesome away from the lights :evil: :shocked:
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If the mk5 is a more refined version of the mk4 then that sounds perfect tbh. Glad you other former mk4 owners feel the same and I am not totally bonkers.
I have a test drive in a DSG one on Friday so will see what happens :smiley:
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The noise alone wil lhave you wanting one! I went for an R32 over the ED30 for the noise (and 4wd) but mainly the noise :evil:
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The mk5 R32 is definitely more 'grown up' than the mk4 and feels like it's been put together more solidly. I've had mine 12 months and put 15000 miles on it in that time, with not a single hiccup. (watch it not start tomorrow morning now i've said that :rolleyes: )
If you can live with the increased cost of ownership (tax, insurance, servicing and parts will all be more expensive than the Edition 30) then it's a really good time to switch too, with so many new or very nearly new ones about at decent prices.
It does kind of lack the "RarRRr get out of my way!" presence that the mk4 had, but they still turn heads, especially when you press the loud pedal.
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Insurance should be about the same Toph as they are both group 18. Standard GTI is group 17 :wink:
I must say I do love the sound and surefootedness of the MKV R32, but for me, I like the rawness and lightfootedness of the ED30 just as much and so wouldn't swap. If I'd bought the R32 I would have probably been just as happy. :cool:
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It's the new list price that bumps insurance up. ED30 would've been about 85 quid a year cheaper to insure for me.
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It's the new list price that bumps insurance up. ED30 would've been about 85 quid a year cheaper to insure for me.
Strange that as when I enquired about both, the R32 was cheaper and then only by £25.
Must be 'cos |I'm an old fart or something. LOL.
Threadjack alert.....
Any decision on 'charging the R32 yet Toph?
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i went from a mk4 r32 to the ed30 and i am so happy with my ed30 i just love it and its perfect for me and my family :smiley:
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I work in the construction industry so not a great time to be blowing all my savings :undecided:
And I found out that my GAP insurance is void if I make any modifications :sad:
Silver lining though - "only" 24 months to go on the loan/GAP, after which time I'll have a much better idea of how stable the moniez will be. Then I reckon I'll have 3 choices. Charge the R, get a new .:R mk6 if it impresses me, or RS4 cabrio and pretend to be a hairdresser like jv :cool:
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MK6R:. looks like it will be the business if it looks anything like the pics I've seen :drool:
Gets my vote :cool:
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Hi guys... went from a Mk4 4-Motion 2.8 to a ED30.
Had 4-Mo for 6-years, I’ve had ED30 for nearly a year and I’ve almost gelled with it... but I really loved the 4-Motion.
I do miss the V6 soundtrack, build quality and the four wheel drive.
I don’t miss the slightly lumpy handling (it felt heavy in comparision) and the fuel consumption.
Tried the mk5 R32 in both DSG & manual guise. Liked them both, but preferred the GTI/ED30 as it was slightly more nimble... more fun. Also I fancied a change... the doom & gloom which surrounded fuel prices/road tax also had an influence!
Everytime an R32 goes past I think... should I?
Have fun deciding, it’s tough they’re all great motors... Hotrod :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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MK6R:. looks like it will be the business if it looks anything like the pics I've seen :drool:
Gets my vote :cool:
Hurdy have you got a link (URL) to the Mk6 R pictures you have seen? I had a quick look on google but just seems to be Mk6 GTI. I'm tempted on Mk5 R32 too at the moment but still wearing my "sensible" hat so just can't seem to make the jump :angry:
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MK6R:. looks like it will be the business if it looks anything like the pics I've seen :drool:
Gets my vote :cool:
Hurdy have you got a link (URL) to the Mk6 R pictures you have seen? I had a quick look on google but just seems to be Mk6 GTI. I'm tempted on Mk5 R32 too at the moment but still wearing my "sensible" hat so just can't seem to make the jump :angry:
They are only artists impressions at the moment, but here's the link :cool:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/vw_audi_performance/scoop_2010_volkswagen_golf_r_series_turbo_coming_to_america_car_news
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^^Cant wait, as much as I like my ED30 I sometimes wished it was AWD so I could nail it off the line. The .:R20 should be good for 330+ Bhp surely?
Would you recommend DSG over Manual aswel? Really fancy the quickfire gear changing...missed 3rd once or twice in the lights grand prix, felt like a right d1ck. :grin:
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I'm fairly new to the MK5 golf scene but I too considered the ED30 and the MK5 R32.
As mentioned before by someone, the fuel consumption did it for me but also the tax bracket difference.
I tried to weigh up the pro's and con's...
R32 DSG
- Another 20 bhp
- 4WD Traction
- £400 band "G" tax bracket (for models registered 23 Mar 2006 – 31 Jul 2008)
- Claimed 29 MPG
- 1538 KG
ED30 DSG
- £210 band "F" (for all models)
- Claimed 35 MPG
- 1376 KG
Seeing as I was using the car to get to work and back I choose the ED30.
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interesting read
i like the package of the r32, but the gti/ed30 looks good too.
i've currently got an audi tt 225 coupe with a remap, so good for 260bhp+ and quattro and good looks ;-)
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For me it looks like this (being a 55 plate)
R32 DSG
- Another 20 bhp
- 4WD Traction
- £210 tax
- Have got an actual 32mpg
- 1538 KG
ED30 DSG
- £210 tax
- Claimed 35 MPG
- 1376 KG
I went for the R32 :grin:
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^^^not 100% on this one but im sure the pre 07 are a bit heavy than 1535kg, they changed something or another underneath
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Probly the equivalent of not taking a dump before you go out in it!
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about 30 - 40kg i think, it all helps, you must be a big lad :smiley:
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:grin:
Where did they find that much? My seats are probly pretty heavy, there must be a fair amount of difference from options such as 5 door, dsg, sunroof etc etc!
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wheels are apparantly 5kg lighter each for a start
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they also changed something underneath aswell, like i said not 100%, i read it somewhere, prob R32oc
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Yeah, probly right mate.
As long as mine sounds like it does im all good :evil:
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^^^very true. i rather have your lower road tax duty than have a bit less weight in the car than wallet :smiley: :cool:
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^^ Indeed £400 tax a year cant be fun.
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I would happily pay more for the noise :evil:
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^^ Indeed £400 tax a year cant be fun.
no its not but most people who have brought in the last 18 months new the score, not saying its fair as we pay more tax by use more petrol, but as jules said its worth it. Besides ive used it as a excuse to stop smoking and in return i are £30 a week better off after taking out my £9 a week road tax :nerd: :smiley:
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It's such a very difficult decision!
I'm certain that if the Mk5 R32 had been out when I bought my GTI in 2005, I'd have bought the Mk5 .:R (I wanted a Mk4 .:R originally).
The V6 zorst music is enough to sway it for me, especially on Millteks. Mpg? I only get about 28 in my GTI (modified) - So that means I'd probably only get about 24 in an .:R!
Like others have already said, they are both such excellent cars and one is not better than the other. I love the tactile feel of my GTI though, especially since fitting the Quaife and VWR-KW-V3 suspension.
The trick is to be happy with what you've got rather than what you haven't got.
:afro:
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Not interested in a MkV R32 but am looking to shift my ED30 for a 130i M Sport.I think i preferred my Golf V5 to my ED30.Never had the MkIV R32 but found the Golf V6 4mo i had rather soft.The GTi/ED30 are both very good cars as we all know and do pretty much everything rather well, maybe a little to well for me though, if you catch my drift.. :smiley:
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I think I catch your drift, CDJ - It doubtless involves the rear wheels! :evil:
My last car was a BMW and I think I generally prefer them to Audi's.
:happy2:
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UPDATE
Well had the test drive today which went very well. Was not helped by another salesman double booking somebody else to drive it at exactly the same time. As I had first dibs not a problem, but looked like it was all going to kick off at one point as Mr Angry had to wait while I had my go. Obviously dented my chance to bargain though.
extra spec is 5dr, DSG, Sat Nav, Recaros, parking sensors and sunroof.
First impressions :
Feels very solid, maybe the extra weight compared to the GTI and alot quieter than what I remembered the mk4 being. DSG is interesting, felt like a normal automatic but much smoother. I think it kicked down 3 gears doing an overtake on the A road! Didnt get a chance to get it out of D mind you.
So anyway......
Its mine :evil:
(http://img18.picoodle.com/img/img18/3/2/6/f_IMG1722m_6291a04.jpg) (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/2/6/f_IMG1722m_6291a04.jpg&srv=img18)
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Nice work! When do you get her home?
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Not interested in a MkV R32 but am looking to shift my ED30 for a 130i M Sport.I think i preferred my Golf V5 to my ED30.Never had the MkIV R32 but found the Golf V6 4mo i had rather soft.The GTi/ED30 are both very good cars as we all know and do pretty much everything rather well, maybe a little to well for me though, if you catch my drift.. :smiley:
Im sorry, have I got this right? You preferd your MKIV V5 (commonly known as the 2nd worst MKIv after the 2.0) than your MKV GTI ? I shall refrain from going mental until I have clarified what you said.
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@ Dogbucket - Brilliant!! Where's the jumping up and down for joy smilie!?
As I was reading the spec I thought to myself this is a car I would want! DBP as well!
It may take quite a few miles but you'll get used to all the combinations of DSG selection you can choose. Example: Gently cruising through 30mph zone....Change into M as your shoulders get level with the GLF sign....Accelerate and use gears via paddleshifters exactly as you would a conventional manual....Pop into S-mode as you approach a very busy 5-exit roundabout....Ready to choose your moment for safe progress....As your V6 revs sing towards the red line, be prepared to slip her back into M again....Select D as you join a very slow moving traffic queue or enter a village. And you can chop and change and override any of the modes as you desire.
You'll either love it and never want another car without it or its equivalent, or hate it and sell the car as soon as you can! But persevere.
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[Your forum name is familiar - Were/are you ever on TSN?]
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hopefully getting her on Wednesday :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
RR - yes I am on TSN, although not so much recently. We actually met briefly at the first south downs meet when I had my mk4.
Stoopid question, but it has not got an 'M' position because I asked that? Do you mean using a paddle on the wheel and or moving the stick to +- ?
*Shameless Plug*
There will be some ED30 Milltek bits in the classified next week
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You bought it without going into S :shocked:
haha your in for such a treat mate! Im only a week in and S still catches me out and makes me laugh like a 5 year old :evil:
Not interested in a MkV R32 but am looking to shift my ED30 for a 130i M Sport.I think i preferred my Golf V5 to my ED30.Never had the MkIV R32 but found the Golf V6 4mo i had rather soft.The GTi/ED30 are both very good cars as we all know and do pretty much everything rather well, maybe a little to well for me though, if you catch my drift.. :smiley:
Im sorry, have I got this right? You preferd your MKIV V5 (commonly known as the 2nd worst MKIv after the 2.0) than your MKV GTI ? I shall refrain from going mental until I have clarified what you said.
:shocked: Saying you wont like the MK5 R32 because your Golf V6 4mo was soft, is like saying you wont like a bmw M3 because the 325i wasnt very special :undecided:
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You bought it without going into S :shocked:
tbh I already knew what the performance of an R32 is like, so was more interested in cruising and comfort. Well and I forgot
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RR - yes I am on TSN, although not so much recently. We actually met briefly at the first south downs meet when I had my mk4.
....I'd hopefully remember if we met again - Sorry!
We have some great little meets around Brighton and Portsmouth areas (BIALI / TSN) - You probably know Dan and Jimmy and Roy (all modified Mk4 .:R32 boyz).
Stoopid question, but it has not got an 'M' position because I asked that? Do you mean using a paddle on the wheel and or moving the stick to +- ?
....No not stupid at all. If it's DSG it will most definitely have an M position! It's to the left of D. The person who told you it doesn't is the stoopid one! [I can't find a pic right now]
Yes, paddles on the steering wheel. You can also shift with the floor stick 'tiptronically' - Yet another option!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmMNRQ1GJ3o
^ P for Parking :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Ooops! I'm now very confused - I couldn't see M on the GTI in that vid.
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You bought it without going into S :shocked:
tbh I already knew what the performance of an R32 is like, so was more interested in cruising and comfort. Well and I forgot
I didnt comment it as a bad thing mate! I think it shows just how good the R32 is if you didnt even use S
Its louder and much more responsive in S :evil:
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Not interested in a MkV R32 but am looking to shift my ED30 for a 130i M Sport.I think i preferred my Golf V5 to my ED30.Never had the MkIV R32 but found the Golf V6 4mo i had rather soft.The GTi/ED30 are both very good cars as we all know and do pretty much everything rather well, maybe a little to well for me though, if you catch my drift.. :smiley:
Im sorry, have I got this right? You preferd your MKIV V5 (commonly known as the 2nd worst MKIv after the 2.0) than your MKV GTI ? I shall refrain from going mental until I have clarified what you said.
:shocked: :laugh: :lipsrsealed:
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Not interested in a MkV R32 but am looking to shift my ED30 for a 130i M Sport.I think i preferred my Golf V5 to my ED30.Never had the MkIV R32 but found the Golf V6 4mo i had rather soft.The GTi/ED30 are both very good cars as we all know and do pretty much everything rather well, maybe a little to well for me though, if you catch my drift.. :smiley:
Im sorry, have I got this right? You preferd your MKIV V5 (commonly known as the 2nd worst MKIv after the 2.0) than your MKV GTI ? I shall refrain from going mental until I have clarified what you said.
.....Correct.What is there not to like about the V5 2.3ltr engine with its off-beat warble at idle and then really glorious sound at 3500&4000rpm.For your information the 170PS version firmed up with aftermarket dampers would give the Mk IV GTi 1.8T a run for its money&with a much sweeter soundtrack.
I would assume from your comments you have never actually owned one? :rolleyes: