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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: mossy1969 on 31 January 2009, 18:46
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hi there never drove a golf with the dsg box .does anyone have any issues ie ...mechanicall problems or reliabiliy just i have been looking at one its an 08/ gun metal grey,leather 18"" monzas ,leather ,mfsw.heated seats.telephone prep??..also what compatibility of phones work with these 12000 milles up for 15495 looking forwaard to a reply cheers
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Hey ive never owned a DSG but have driven one around for a week and they are fantastic, however after a while i just got bord with not being fully incontrol and with day to day life it didnt suit me.
Their have been a few known problems that ive seen posted around here, but if its covered by warrenty i wouldnt so much, i would after though as im pretty sure they would cost a hell of a lot to fix or replce.
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DSG is great, but I prefer the 6 spd manual.
Although the DSG is my choice on the R32.
For another £500 quid or so you could buy my 08 Plate Steel Grey ED30 with only 4500 miles! (Its a manual too :smug:)
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have a search using the above in the MK5 section only, has been alot of topics covered including all known warranty fixes etc. :smiley:
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It's quite mature technology now.
For the love of god don't buy a manual, the DSG box makes a supercar out of the GTI. A DSG GTI can beat any manual car in normal driving, most manual drivers can't be bothered searching for exactly the right gear, the mechatronics knows exactly the right gear and will flick into it in the blinking of an eye.
Like having a minature Lewis Hamilton under the bonnet.
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Hmmm............ I beat my friend consistently in a few sprints in my manual R32 vS his DSG ED30 but technically that's not normal driving, or is it ?? :smug: :laugh:
The down change is good on the DSG, but with practice you can achieve the same with a simple blip of throttle on a manual.
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ok this is a repost but demonstrates how efficient the DSG is compared to a professional racing driver:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gmMNRQ1GJ3o
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Hi Mossy
hi there never drove a golf with the dsg box .does anyone have any issues ie ...mechanicall problems or reliabiliy
As others have said, this has been covered numerous times in this forum, and also the other Mk5GolfGTI forum - the 'Advanced Search' function is your friend here! :wink:
But basically, it is generally extremely reliable (unless abused). It does have a limit on the torque it can handle, so if you want to modify your GTI to stratospheric outputs, then a manual is best advised. Oh, the DSG box requires vital routine maintenance, in the form of a fluid and filter change every 4 years or 40k miles (whichever comes first), and that may cost an additional £200 or so from a VW dealer, over and above the normal servicing. If you are particularly hard on your DSG, it would be wise to half that interval, and someone on this forum has found the need for fluid and filter change after just 10k miles.
Best advice is to go for a long, very long test drive - ie an all day test drive.
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Hmmm............ I beat my friend consistently in a few sprints in my manual R32 vS his DSG ED30 but technically that's not normal driving, or is it ?? :smug: :laugh:
Erm, there are a whole array of reasons why you might 'beat' a DSG - however, it has been repeatedly proven, that with like for like, the DSG allways out-performs a manual - both in performance, and in fuel economy. :rolleyes:
The down change is good on the DSG, but with practice you can achieve the same with a simple blip of throttle on a manual.
REEEEEAAAAALLLLLYYYYYYY <yawn>
So you think you can complete a complete down-change in less than a quater of a second? :rolleyes: For the record, the DSG has been proven to be the fastest changing gearbox (of an "automated manual" variety) on the planet. The DSG is faster changing cogs than a BMW SMG (even the latest), or any Ferrari "flappy paddle" gearboxes, which are well-known to be crap, as Clarkson so infamously rants about!
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How do you know when its time for a DSG fluid change??
Do you have to remember wether it was 4 years ago etc, or does the car inform you - just like it informs you when it needs a service...?
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How do you know when its time for a DSG fluid change??
Do you have to remember wether it was 4 years ago etc, or does the car inform you - just like it informs you when it needs a service...?
The car does NOT remind you. :nerd:
Pedantically, the cars SID can't even tell you if you need a LongLife service, or a T&D service. You need to have a calendar (to work out how old the car is, or how long since the last DSG service), and a pair of eyes (to read the mileage and the instrument cluster and the service book)! :tongue: :evil: :evil:
Oh, and a bit of 'determination' to explain what is needed to some of the thickos that stealers seem to employ as service receptionists!
Finally, if you are experiencing ANY clutch slip at all on the DSG, no matter how many miles before the DSG service is actually due, then get the oil and filter changed ASAP. Our resident moderator will strongly vouch for that recommendation! :wink:
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How do you know if you are having clutch slip??
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How do you know if you are having clutch slip??
Are you serious? :huh:
Maybe you are. . . . :shocked:
Say you are stationary at traffic lights. They change green, and you accelerate - normally, the rev counter rises in a similar linear manner to the rise in road speed, ie the speedo. When clutch slip occurs - particularly under very hard acceleration, and in low gears - the revs will rise very rapidly, but the speedo doesn't seem to move as it should, nor does the car accelerate like it should. Usually, when this happens, if you actually ease off the gas pedal (therefore putting less engine torque on the clutch), the acceleration will actually increase again to how it should be. Floor the gas again, and the acceleration tails off.
Understood? :nerd:
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What's a rev counter?
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Hmmm............ I beat my friend consistently in a few sprints in my manual R32 vS his DSG ED30 but technically that's not normal driving, or is it ?? :smug: :laugh:
Erm, there are a whole array of reasons why you might 'beat' a DSG - however, it has been repeatedly proven, that with like for like, the DSG allways out-performs a manual - both in performance, and in fuel economy. :rolleyes:
The down change is good on the DSG, but with practice you can achieve the same with a simple blip of throttle on a manual.
REEEEEAAAAALLLLLYYYYYYY <yawn>
So you think you can complete a complete down-change in less than a quater of a second? :rolleyes: For the record, the DSG has been proven to be the fastest changing gearbox (of an "automated manual" variety) on the planet. The DSG is faster changing cogs than a BMW SMG (even the latest), or any Ferrari "flappy paddle" gearboxes, which are well-known to be crap, as Clarkson so infamously rants about!
You miss my point. I didn't talk about speed of the gear change, I said the same effect can be achieved by simply 'blipping' the throttle to match engine speed & you have a smoother down change, which when you get it right takes a bit of strain out the engine/gearbox.
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Sorry, Im not really into cars that much - just enough to know that I want somet fast and reliable!
I work with computer networks, and anything to do with a car and its workings under the bonnet are above me! lol - thats why I have you guys!! ;)
What's a rev counter?
Rev counter??
Maybe you could answer that one for me as well, Im lost with all these tecnical words!!
rof, and yes, I am joking this time!!! lol ;)
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You miss my point. I didn't talk about speed of the gear change, I said the same effect can be achieved by simply 'blipping' the throttle to match engine speed & you have a smoother down change, which when you get it right takes a bit of strain out the engine/gearbox.
This is called Heel/Toe down shifting and takes years to practice.
Seen here: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IuoZeuSgEj4&feature=related (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IuoZeuSgEj4&feature=related)
I wouldnt advise trying to practice this on public roads.
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You miss my point. I didn't talk about speed of the gear change, I said the same effect can be achieved by simply 'blipping' the throttle to match engine speed & you have a smoother down change, which when you get it right takes a bit of strain out the engine/gearbox.
This is called Heel/Toe down shifting and takes years to practice.
Seen here: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IuoZeuSgEj4&feature=related (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IuoZeuSgEj4&feature=related)
I wouldnt advise trying to practice this on public roads.
Most racing drivers who drive manuals will know how to heel/toe.
But none of that can be done on modern cars with electronic 'fly-by-wire' throttle pedals. Once you touch the brake pedal, the engine ECU will close the throttle butterfly - even if the acclerator pedal is mashed to the floor.
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An interesting point to make about the DSG vs Manual debate is that one of the fastest cars currently round the Nurburgring is the Nissan R35 GTR which has a dual-clutch automatic sequential gearbox like that of the DSG.
Just like the DSG it pre-selects the next gear based on throttle postion, speed etc.
You can only buy the R35 GTR in automatic, however I have heard that Nissan are rumoured to release a manual at some point.
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Sharpie........come on......just stop it :kiss: :laugh: ( you crack me up Greavesy... You really do)!