GolfGTIforum.co.uk
Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: sidecarphil on 18 January 2009, 10:50
-
ok so i have decided to come over to the uk and buy a mk3 VR6 ready for my conversion
so my question is ,
i want to put the engine / box / subframe the lot into my car
BUT my car is a 1989 car so is it going to be a lot more wiring work ??
i also want to use the compete dashboard so do i just use the mk3 wiring loom ??
i'll be over withing the next couple of weeks for the "Doner"
please help (again) LOL
-
Depends if you have a late or early '89 :wink:
Mine has the post 90 spec wiring (emergency light on column)
-
yeah my hazard light switch is on the dash
-
if your using the mk3 dash, just wire the whole car with mk3 goodies imo, will mean a full strip down of the car (but as you doing that anyway what difference does it make
you only have to worry about 2 looms anyway, and with a decent manual its simple to splice the mk2 and ce1 together.
-
yeah this is what i plan to do
but i don't want to get rid of the MK3 only to find there is something i needed LOL
-
You not just gonna drive it over to Holland and rip it apart there?
-
yeah
well trailer it ere
then tair it apart ere
sell the sh1t i don't want
but i dont want to sell the something that at a later date i will need :wink: :wink:
-
ahhh thats why you do the job first then sell the crap yeah...
-
ok so i'm not going to use the dash
so how do i get a VR6 to work in an early car ???
without a massive swap of later wiring
-
would it not be easier to use the vr fusebox and change the plugs over from your old loom for things like lights and dash switches etc
oh and phil your making a good decision you will love it
-
thanks fella
i just cant get the sight of you pulling away from me on my bike :shocked: :shocked:
i'm putting a rado dash in it :grin:
-
haha i thought you said you were taking it easy
why not try get a early raddo vr6 donor you can have the dash a 2.9 instead of 2.8
also you can use the front crossmember dont think you can use the mk3 one but i also think they is a mount
designed for the mk2 one now and you wont have to worry about all chipped keys and transponder
give me a shout if you have any troubles im doing all mine again now
-
cos a complete LHD caro from holland is HUGE money :undecided:
just buy a dash and get a cheap MK3 from uk
-
what is all the faff about wireing for ?
you need a CE1 loom and you get your CE2 VR6 loom and swap the plugs over and additional relays clip ontop of the fuse box. no diffrent to putting abf in a 89 car. my ABF loom is competly self contained ecu wise just connected to the rest of the cars loom by permant +12 ingnition +12 start +12 and ground
-
but if i buy a MK3 golf from the uk it will be RHD so the interior loom will be massively wrong
poo poo poo
-
flip loom ?
-
flip loom ?
as daft as it sound's i wonder !!!!!
:shocked: :shocked:
-
as above really, the interior loom inst the problem, its the bay loom. This is due to the wiring lengths in the bay being designed for the wires coming out on the opposite side.
as danny says splicing up the engine loom isnt really that hard, what you do is rip out everything that isnt to do with the ECU and engine sensors, then figure out where the pins go. Beuty of digi injection is 99% of the wiring is all self contained, with only a few wires to the fusebox. You could even have the fuel & ecu relays on rlay holders above the fusebox and keep it 100% seperate from the main fusebox, you'lkl just need a live, earth and ign live.
Alternatively you could find a 90spec MK2 for a donor and rip out the entre interior and lighting loom then swap it over. It isnt as hard as it sounds, just take it slow and you'll get it done. You need to have the carpets taken up to do it, but handily the wiring into the tailgate sepearates at the C pillar so you dont have to drag the wires out of it to 90spec the car. The lighting loom is also totally seperate from the engine loom so just plug that in as-is. Then all you need to do is check over the MK3 bay loom and dump the MK3 bits you dont want.
How far you take it is up to you! I went all the way on my mates abf, complete 90spec conversion and I used a 90spec 16v engine loom as a base, I then unwrapped the abf loom and binned everything MK3 specific and swapped in the bits from the MK2 loom, thus I ended up with a factory 90spec MK2 ABF engine loom! Took a lot of work but since I'm anally retentive about wiring I was willign to do it! (I hate splices of any kind, I wanted it to have as few cut wires as physically possible, plus I didnt want scrappy bits of wire hanging about in the bay for MK3 stuff not present on the MK2)
-
so if i use a 90 spec RHD interior loom this isn't a problem ??
but i am better off getting a LHD VR6 engine bay loom ??
i'm really anal about wiring hate extra connection's/ joints i don't need
do you have a 90 spec loom and fusebox kicking about ???
-
it may not be 100% right, do you know which side of the car the main rear car loom runs down on a LHD? on a RHD it goes down the right side, so you'll run into a couple of issues running it down the left, mainly the fuel pump loom wont be long enough and the tailgate loom will be too long, plus the rear indicator wires will need fettling. If the main loom still runs down the right side, then non of the fusebox wires will reach that far. dash should be ok though, since the fusebox will be just about the same length from the switches nm clocks no matter what side. Also the fusebox hanger and outer column bracket differ, so you'll need those bits too. The outer column i think is same for LHD and RHD, but the fusebox hanger is not.
Best to go with a LHD car loom really, then you know you arnt going to run into any problems.
-
if i change to a 90 spec loom and fuse box will my MFA and cluster still work ??
is there any thing else i will need ??
will MK3 indicator and wipers storks work ??
-
you need a 90spec cluster, stalks and MFA loom as well. MK3 stalks will fit yep :)
good news is 90spoec loom is very modular so if you say got a car loom from a carb car you could find a 90spec GTI MK2/MK3/Corrado MFA stalk loom and plug that in, MK3 GTI/VR6 fuel pump loom and add that (to go with the VR fuel pump, lines and a MK3 Golf fuel tank, if you use MK2 k-jet you need a 90spec MK2 GTI pump loom & lift pump)
-
but IF i get a complete VR6 corrado and strip that , i will be able to use the dash , wiring loom , engine , box , brakes , subframe , radiator , every thing i want ??
if i have read correctly ??
-
pretty much, just remember some things like the lighting plugs will be different :)
-
yeah but i can trim them from the MK2
thanks rubjonny you truelly are a legend
just need a left hooker corrado VR6 rear end smash :wink: :wink:
-
so i have bought a doner car :)
http://link.marktplaats.nl/225387205 (http://link.marktplaats.nl/225387205)
am i correct in thinking that i can use the interior loom / fusebox / indicator storks /steering column /dials
BUT keeping my MK2 dash board ???
rubjonny , Please do you have a MK2 and MK3 interior wiring diagram :) ,in colour if pos ???
cheers Phil
-
you can use pretty much all the loom from that, but the headlighlight and rear screen heater loom will be wrong, as will the dials and heater blower bits and random stuffs liek the interior light, door pins etc ont be the same. quite a lot of the existing car loom will unplug from the fusebox looms, and often will plug straight back into the replacement loom, but you might have to splice a wire here & there.
If you fit mk3 clocks then thats 1 part sorted, and you would want to anyway so the rev counter works properly!
when i converted my mates 88 to 90 spec, i hardly had to splice anything. but then i was using a MK2 90spec loom :grin:
Hopefully my fusebox faq should have everything you need to get this done, but pm me your email addy and i'll send you some diagreams :)
-
i have an uprated headlight loom so i only really need sidelights and a feed for dip and main , so thats no problem
as for it little bits inside the car , i can cut the original plugs off and soldering them to the MK3 loom :)
as for the clocks i will be using MK3 , so no problems with wiring there
and i will use the MK3 fusebox
will wire up the elec windows wiring and elec mirrors from the MK3 and fit the motors inside the MK2 mirrors
can i use the MK2 rear subframe or do i use the MK3 ??
what rad do i need ?? is it better to buy a corrado one ? and will that fit either the MK2 or MK3 rad mount ??