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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: golfdub on 17 January 2009, 20:58
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hi all has anyone in the club fitted a set of HID's to their mk2 gti? the cars a 91 with the later type loom fitted. can anyone help with advice ?
golfdub
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Yes, it's illegal.
Your headlights will suffer from beam scatter as they aren't designed to have HIDs stuffed in them.
You will dazzle people and be thought of as a cahnt.
Don't do it. Fit a relay kit instead and get all of the benefits, but stay legal.
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3 minutes - a new record :grin:
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Just passing thru in between stripping this Golf3 down......
:grin:
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Here's a video explaining more stuff.
EweTube linkage (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yVuSSdZNsZw)
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Had them on my mk2, fitted by previous owner.
Found them shocking, couldnt see a thing. Got pulled 4 days after picking the car up, but dodged the £30 fine cos i had standard lamps in the boot which i had just collected.
Uprated looms are the way forward
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cheers for the advice from you guys ain't gona bother wi the HID's gona go wi the uprated loom and bulb idea the cars got a set of crystal lamps fitted so wi the uprates i should be able to see where i'm go'in :grin:
golfdub
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From that video, as long as you have lamps designed for HID bulbs - then your all set? What happened to the requirement for self levelling beam and lamp cleaners?
So all we need is someone to start manufacturing HID lamps for the MK2 and DH will be a happy bunny about the rest of us folk being able to actually see in the dark :tongue:
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http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps
explain it all :)
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Good info there and more to the point I was right ;)
I just run 100W bulbs on an uprated loom, light city!
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Except a lot of the DFT is over-ridden by EU legislation, which makes the stuff to do with the self-levelling and washers non-applicable.
The correct lamps would have to be approved for HID, for that car.
That ain't gonna happen as it'd be verging on millions of development costs, for a tiny market.
So stick to filament bulbs. :tongue:
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run them in all my cars they are brilliant never had a problem when stopped by police or through mot's they are better and much safer than filament bulbs as they are brighter. you dont dazzle other road users if you set you headlights correctly. i dont have a bad word to say about them and neither does anyone i know who has a good set.
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Good info there and more to the point I was right ;)
I just run 100W bulbs on an uprated loom, light city!
thats also illegal !!!!!
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Who cares if you dazzle other road users, eh? So long as you're all right, jack, that's OK.
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Mine are E marked?
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yeah so are mine :grin: :grin:
but as far as i was informed by the MOT people when i was testing 60w iis the max you can run :undecided:
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I think that might be an urban myth,
http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m3s01000001.htm
I couldn't see anything to do with it? By the looks of things, as long as the beam is okay, you should be all set. I might even upgrade to 130W.
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yeah i read that
guess it must be :huh:
well i like my HID'S in my GTi
the mrs loves her 80w100 rally blues in her 1.3
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run them in all my cars they are brilliant never had a problem when stopped by police or through mot's they are better and much safer than filament bulbs as they are brighter. you dont dazzle other road users if you set you headlights correctly. i dont have a bad word to say about them and neither does anyone i know who has a good set.
A lot of the fuzz are unclear on the law on these as it's a recent mod people are doing. As they start to crack down on modified cars in the next couple of years you'll find mods like this and noisy exhausts etc will start to cause your car to fail MOT's and VOSA requesting the reg is removed and car's put through SVA before being allowed back on the road.
Nick
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To be honest, I have no hate for HID's - after market or standard, they are still blinding when they're oncoming. But they are few and far between.
My biggest hate is stupid fog light drivers, people with the headlights pointing into the air instead of the road and those that don't know how to turn main beam off.
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mine are really good
bought good quality ones
with my crystal headlamp's
and well set up on a beam setter and i have to say the pattern is perfect , no fuzzing or distorsion
i'll stick a piccy on next week :)
My biggest hate is stupid fog light drivers,
+1 there
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Oh, and those who inside on turning on dipped beam in the rain!
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i have my lights on in the rain :embarassed: :embarassed:
but i do hate daytime running lights :angry: :angry:
IT'S DAYLIGHT YOU DON'T NEED HEADLAMPS ON W%$KER
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Running sidelights in dreary conditions is proven to improve the visibility of your car.
Better to be the first one with your sidelights on than the last.
That's sidelights, not dipped beam.
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Running sidelights in dreary conditions is proven to improve the visibility of your car.
of course it is, and it's especially helpful for me when other cars decide to turn them on when i'm driving big vans about in the rain (i.e. today when it's been chucking it down, no rear view mirror and visibility is low.)
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I ain't got side lights :grin:
uprated loom FTW :laugh:
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I ain't got side lights :grin:
uprated loom FTW :laugh:
sidelights will need to be functional to pass the MOT :tongue:
MOT test stations do not nit-pick with the brightness of a bulb (e.g. 60w vs 100w), just the beam pattern and aim (as our work has an MOT test station, i sometimes help out with the MOTs)
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So how do i change the loom? and 100w is okay to use?
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I did a search and found this cos i need to do it to mine
www.matey-matey.com/tech_diag.shtml.
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Running sidelights in dreary conditions is proven to improve the visibility of your car.
Better to be the first one with your sidelights on than the last.
That's sidelights, not dipped beam.
Side lights as they are often refered to are actually parking lights. (I know we have another parking light function to put one side on only with the indicator stalk, but they are still only 5W bulbs at the front)
In the rain, especially when there is spray, are no good use at all for making your car more visible. In the mid 80's we were give dim-dip headlights. These were to prevent people from driving in conditions of poor visibility with only there parking lights on. For some reason in the mid 90's dim-dip headlamps went away, leaving people driving round with parking lights on once again.
If you have dim-dip still working, all well and good. But surely it's not too much effort to push the switch another click to put your headlights on properly. Next time it's raining have a look at cars driving with their parking lights on, and I'll guarantee that you will see the car before you see it's lights.
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In the rain - when people have dipped beam on, you can't see f - all for the glare off the road. They might be easier to spot, but its a major annoyance on the road when sidelights are perfectly sufficient in normal rain
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I have to say that in 23 years of driving, I've never been dazzled by headlights reflecting off a wet road.
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This is an Interesting thread,how I understood it was that there are two types of hid kits you can buy and aslong as you get the kit that does both dip and main beam and stick to 6k so they are White and not blue then they where legal and will pass the mot?
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I have to say that in 23 years of driving, I've never been dazzled by headlights reflecting off a wet road.
Well in 6 and living in rainy cities like Manchester and Glasgow - that's all I see.
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I have to say that in 23 years of driving, I've never been dazzled by headlights reflecting off a wet road.
Well in 6 and living in rainy cities like Manchester and Glasgow - that's all I see.
Maybe thats the difference. I can see that in towns, headlights may not be necessary, and that the light would reflect off the wet road surface, also making road markings less readable.
My point was aimed more at out of town driving, where speeds are much higher and you need to be able to see vehicles that are much further away.
This is an Interesting thread,how I understood it was that there are two types of hid kits you can buy and aslong as you get the kit that does both dip and main beam and stick to 6k so they are White and not blue then they where legal and will pass the mot?
HID's for main beam do not work well as they do not react quick enough. HID's need a short while to warm up, and will not give full power as soon as you switch them on or flash.
New cars with Bi-Xenons generally have one projector light that does both dip and main beam. Once switched onto dip, the lamp will stay on and a shutter lense with alter the pattern from dip to main when required. Most will also have a separate hallogen or LED light for flashing when dip beam is not switched on as that can react quickly
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So basically companys selling hids and claiming they have both main and dip beam and are fully legal are talking shyte? coz if this is the case when the main beam is flashed in the mot nothing will happen which means the car will fail and they Are not legal? man this is a real grey area isn't it.
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Thinking about it, they may be ok switching from dip to main, as the ballast unit will already be warmed up, but they will not work for a "cold" flash
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The MOT test for main beam isn't flicking them on and off like you are letting someone out of a junction.
They turn them on, move to the front of the vehicle and check the (almost definitely scattered HID) beam pattern.
Fully legal HIDs are those factory fitted, anything else requires a strict set of installation standards, self levelling, headlight washers, projector style HID compliant lens etc.
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So basically companys selling hids and claiming they have both main and dip beam and are fully legal are talking shyte? coz if this is the case when the main beam is flashed in the mot nothing will happen which means the car will fail and they Are not legal? man this is a real grey area isn't it.
Not a grey area at all - unless the HID light assembly was designed, tested, approved and fitted to your vehicle (e.g. Mk4 Golf) as new by the vehicle manufacturer, they are illegal.
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I think to make this point proven we need someone to supply a photo of a HID setup and someone with an uprated loom setup.
This should clear things up
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I think to make this point proven we need someone to supply a photo of a HID setup and someone with an uprated loom setup.
This should clear things up
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And also how many people have hids on there mk2 and have had the car pass an mot with them on there? (mots performed by mates who have overlooked it donot count :grin:)
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I think to make this point proven we need someone to supply a photo of a HID setup and someone with an uprated loom setup.
This should clear things up
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And also how many people have hids and have had the car pass an mot with them on there?
Loads probably, it's not an MOT failure but still not legal. An MOT does not mean a car is road legal.
nick
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I agree i just wana no what way i can brighten my lights with out makign them illegal.
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Uprated headlight loom and decent bulbs will do the job fine. HID's aren't any brighter the light is just whiter. The K ratings are all to do with colour output and nothing to do with brightness.
Nick
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i run DRL's* in the place of my fog lights... they are only 5w bulbs but in a reflective housing... they are active and not passive lighting... so they aren't shining on the road as such. they do 'twinkle' as such. it is very noticable but not blinding and do not reflect of wet roads etc
lots of drivers think that I have my fog lights on, which of course isn't possible without the main beam being on. I get flashed on the odd occasion.. but I don't care. it means they have seen me.
It isn't just dull and dreary days that daytime lighting on cars pays off... sunny days driving on tree covered shadowy roads can be deceptive too.
more info here... http://www.daytime-running-light.com/index_uk.html (http://www.daytime-running-light.com/index_uk.html)
* Daytime Running Lamps which are a retrofit for the mk3 designed by Hella.. they are on when my lights aren't and vice versa.
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i had hid's on my last golf and they were shti. standard lights are much better. and yes mine and my mates both passed mot with them
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i took my HIDs out !!!!
kept blowing the bulbs :undecided: :undecided: :undecided:
put an uprated loom in with 100w bulbs in and i have to admit they are brighter :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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People keep speakign about this loom. How do you alter it?
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Basically you feed the relays main power direct from the battery and only use the feeble stock supply to trigger the relays.
That way you get 12-13V at the lights, not the 7-8V many Golf2s will have degraded to.
Use fused relays and use two relays for the dip and one for the mains - if your main relay blows you can still drive about, if one of the dips blows you can still get home on one light.
You can either hack off the stock loom and fit appropriate connectors, or plug into the stock loom with connectors through to your new set up.
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Basically you feed the relays main power direct from the battery and only use the feeble stock supply to trigger the relays.
That way you get 12-13V at the lights, not the 7-8V many Golf2s will have degraded to.
Use fused relays and use two relays for the dip and one for the mains - if your main relay blows you can still drive about, if one of the dips blows you can still get home on one light.
You can either hack off the stock loom and fit appropriate connectors, or plug into the stock loom with connectors through to your new set up.
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Done this to all my MK2's and may even do it to my MK3
Have used fuses and trips before also bought spare plugs from scrappy and
made up a custom loom :smiley:
DH is right you will see a difference and can be done to all cars with Dim Lights
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this is my loom using 2 relays
one for dip beam and one for main
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p18/rsturbophil/my%20cars/golf2headlampwiringupgrade.jpg)
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Can't believe I've not linked mine in yet lol.
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Tools Required: Crimp Tool, Wire Cutters, Wire Stripper, Multimeter
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headlight loomage
this update has a crazy amount of images, so it needs its very own post. i was getting fed up of driving round without even being able to see the road, so i went out to buy some bits to upgrade my lights a little - which turned out to be a little bit of a disaster, because trying to find relays appears to be impossible in glasgow, heres the list of places i went to (which didnt have any in stock) before i managed to get some.
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theres an ebay seller doing them for £30ish and yes i know the materials required probably cost a 5 and 20 minutes to mock up, but the quality is the best your going to get which is good knowing it wont set fire i suppose, and im sure many people on here are good with wiring and there self made ones are probably just as good. but i guarentee there are people not so talented who have made these looms up to a standard i wouldnt trust :rolleyes:
i have fitted the loom and got some "brighter bulbs" from halfrauds although only 55w i think and its twice as good, infact i look forward to the dark winter nights now (coupled with a new heater matrix hot hot hot)
as for HIDs a mk4 golf came at me tonight with these and i think the headlight on those is legally able to be fitted with the HID, all i can say was it wasnt that dark (7:30ish) and it blinded me, can only assume badly or not aimed at all. but even factory fit ones piss me off espically 4x4 when they come up behind and it reflects off the mirrors :angry:
as for fog lights on at all times regardless of weather conditions.. wayne kerrs