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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: Ben Lessani on 10 January 2009, 23:48
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Hello guys and girls,
My front pads are boned and I need some new ones, I've never had uprated pads, I've always just run cheapo GSF ones as they do the trick.
Now its replacement time, I want to upgrade a little. Can anyone recommend any at a good price, I've found these genuine ones on eBay (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Boxed-set-of-genuine-VW-brake-pads-for-MK2-Golf-Jetta_W0QQitemZ120282136122QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item120282136122&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1301|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318), so they are the benchmark.
But I don't want ones that squeal!
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TBH, if the ones you are using are up to the job, then why change? You can fit green stuff pads. They are up amongst the best, but they do shed more dust and you will need to keep on top of your wheel cleaning, especially if you have alloys. :smiley:
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Well, this is the first time I've changed the pads in about 5 years!
Dusty pads are a no no, I'd rather crash into another car to slow me down than clean my alloys weekly! :laugh:
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Guess that's a no go for the green stuff then :grin: And they wear out really quick..
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cheese ? might not stop you but no dust
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Only experience of uprated pads i've had are the Pagid "fast road" from gsf, felt good to me.
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yeh use them too :cool:
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Only experience of uprated pads i've had are the Pagid "fast road" from gsf, felt good to me.
+1
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black diamond predator pads are v.good
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i use dusty Apec pads which cost me £7 + vat for the front set :rolleyes:
this is what we carry in stock at work, work they well but are dusty...
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pagid fast road all the way
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Pagid fast road it is then. But I can't find the 8v versions on GSF's site, only 16v. Doh!
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TBH, if the ones you are using are up to the job, then why change? You can fit green stuff pads. They are up amongst the best, but they do shed more dust and you will need to keep on top of your wheel cleaning, especially if you have alloys. :smiley:
erm i have had greenstuffs and i dont think we are talking about the same pads. For starters they give off next to no dust (its in the sales description) and because of this they are pretty sh!t pads. not a chance are they up among the best
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i dont run them but i was under the impression that greenstuff gave off less dust
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keep to vw pads mate! there the best , green stuff wear to quck, and the others just dust up so much! orginal vw pads all the way!!!! :laugh:
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but they fade under heavy use
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cheese ? might not stop you but no dust
:laugh:
I run mintex pads all round and would highly reccommend drilled and grooved discs up front with standard rears, made a huge difference. Brake fluid and braided brake lines made noticeable difference too ie didn't kek myself after spanking it through the country lanes and getting "the fade", haven't had any bother since.
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but they fade under heavy use
yes they do , after half a lap of the nurburgring
:shocked: :shocked: was the Mrs' face
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I've got drilled and vented disks already, so halfway there :wink: I thought Mintex were known for being a bit squeaky?
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but they fade under heavy use
yes they do , after half a lap of the nurburgring
:shocked: :shocked: was the Mrs' face
:laugh:, that's when you find out that adrenalin is brown...
You need to take your brave pills with standard brakes in my experience when pressing on, I remember managing to get my old 8v's to glow like the cars you see in Le Mans races after an exhuberant outing along the back roads. Impressive yet terrifying all at once
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Don't mess about - upgrade to 280mm front brakes and the 22mm master cylinder.
239mms are hideously under-specced and should be one of the first things that is consigned to the bin after you buy the car.
Grooved and drilled discs won't do sh!t for you until you've over-heated the pads anyway. 280mm fronts are extremely unlikely to over-heat so in my experience you need nothing more than OEM Zimmerman discs and OEM pads on them. More reliable and extremely effective.
Or you're braking too much, which marks you our as a girl anyway.
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or have a bit of power :wink:
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Don't mess about - upgrade to 280mm front brakes and the 22mm master cylinder.
On the 8v, to fit the 280's is it just a case of replacing the calliper carriers, callipers, disks and pads - or do you need the 16v hub too?
I've just fitted new wheel bearings on both sides, so I wouldn't bother replacing the hubs. But I am in need of new brakes, and uprating would be a good idea I guess.
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Just go drop the 280 or 256 complete assemblies off the bottom of a Passat or Seat's struts - take the whole lot and bolt it up to your car. Odds on the OEM wheel bearings will last as long as the new ones you've fitted.
You've just gotta give in and upgrade. It's a pointless mission doing owt else.
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or have a bit of power :wink:
Bring it on, joy boy.
I'd offer you the chance to come to Goodwood in March and give me a good spanking for £155 for the day, but I suspect you'll be off singing countertenor for a choir somewhere.
You could always come out to the 'ring and teach me a thing or two about how slow my car is, but I suspect you'll be busy with choir-boy duties whatever date I suggest then, too.
:smug:
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i wasnt specifically talking about me, but glad you took it personally :grin: your a bit insecure arent you :kiss:
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Just go drop the 280 or 256 complete assemblies off the bottom of a Passat or Seat's struts - take the whole lot and bolt it up to your car. Odds on the OEM wheel bearings will last as long as the new ones you've fitted.
You've just gotta give in and upgrade. It's a pointless mission doing owt else.
Non-option I'm afraid, wheel bearings are new, camber and toe has just been set - no way I'm dicking about with the hubs again.
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Braking FAIL looms then, Ben. Just drive slowly.
As for the antagonist - you're still hiding away from tracks with your antiquated injection system then, are you?
All mouth and no trousers.
Nice portrait of yourself there.
:rolleyes:
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in all honestly i couldnt care less whos car is quicker, and as you come across as a complete prick i dont really want to meet you either so unless its a coincidence i wont be doing a trackday with you :wink: carry on trying to make yourself feel like the big man though
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Braking FAIL looms then, Ben. Just drive slowly.
Boo DH, my 239's are peachy, have a look at the last couple of posts on the dub thread and see the state of my pads right now. I have maybe two and three quarter pads remaining for the whole front end, and it will still happily lock up on a dry day. I get your point - I'm not being naive ;) Its just that if I could fit the 256/280 without needing to change the hubs, I'd stick them on straight away, but tbh, after sorting out the whole wheel setup - its hardly worth the effort right now. The car is only a daily and I don't abuse the brakes, they have done me far better than fine thus far - fingers crossed, they will continue to do so.
I'm going to try and source some Pagid Fast Road pads and I think I'll replace the front disks too, they are 5 years old!
in all honestly i couldnt care less whos car is quicker ...
Both of you put your handbags down and behave; no more thread crapping! This thread is meant to be all about me and no-one else :tongue:
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he is right though, the 239's are pathetic. if you want to make them better just upgrade them to the 280's, its more cost effective
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Awww, my heart is breaking.
:kiss:
Lose the 239s Ben - it's the only way.
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he is right though, the 239's are pathetic. if you want to make them better just upgrade them to the 280's, its more cost effective
...my 239's are peachy...it will still happily lock up on a dry day. I get your point - I'm not being naive ;) Its just that if I could fit the 256/280 without needing to change the hubs, I'd stick them on straight away
Non-option I'm afraid, wheel bearings are new, camber and toe has just been set - no way I'm dicking about with the hubs again.
I've just fitted new wheel bearings on both sides, so I wouldn't bother replacing the hubs. But I am in need of new brakes, and uprating would be a good idea I guess.
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :angry:
239's FTW, I haven't ever felt they are inadequate, big brakes would be fun and safer - but I aint doing it if I have to change the hubs!
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Interesting .... :huh:
saying the hubs need changing is complete rubbish. It's the calipers and carriers that cause the most trouble as they are different lengths and will not allow you to put the new size discs on if you do not change them.
All changing the hubs is going to do is give you exactly the same hub as you had before. Upgrade the master cylinder to a 22mm job, and then sort the calipers and carriers out. :smiley:
and also, lmfao
Whoa, How did asking for advice on brakes turn into a fight lol
Edit: Bollocks ...
Obviously your cars an mk2 8v with 239mm brakes you WILL need to change the hubs, As carriers on 8v are built onto the hubs unlike 16v and g60 where carrriers are removable. Done my 1990 8v and fitted corrado g60 front brakes, And master cyl with braided hoses. Very last mk2 8v had 256mm brakes
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Stick with what you've got chap. The car is 20 years old and has not been trashed due to inadequate brakes...yet! Just don't out drive yourself. If you plan on adding power to your car, and looking at your projects page, there are no plans as yet, then you will need bigger brakes. Get the best pads you can afford and fit them and take or leave the advice given here. Your car was born with 239mm and an 8v 1.8. If the engine spec is the same...................... :smiley:
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Some great info here (http://diamondhell.com/content/view/32/30/). Your probably right, I ain't changing the hubs just yet - otherwise I would have wasted my money on my shiny new bearings.
Out of interest for the 280/256, is the bottom ball joint the same?
New set of drilled and vented disks, new Pagid Fast Road pads and a 22mm master cylinder are my best bet. Now, can I pinch a 22mm master cylinder from a scrappy, or should I buy new - and if so which one GSF/Euro/Dealers?
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Out of interest for the 280/256, is the bottom ball joint the same?
Tis bigger on the 16v/g60, well just 88 onwards basically (17mm pre and 19mm post iirc)
Now, can I pinch a 22mm master cylinder from a scrappy, or should I buy new - and if so which one GSF/Euro/Dealers?
There's a guy always selling them brand new on ebay, normally go for around £20 or so, plus they come with the blanks needed.
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chould try ebc yellows with the 239's if they make them
issue i found with 239 was i was allways cooking them, changing pads after 3 months and cracking disks, put 280's on and got much better pad life, those brakes got taken off my old car and are on the current one and the pads are still good :) probs 18 months of abuse later ( tho they did get a long holloday inbetween
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Weeeeell, I fitted the Pagid Fast Road pads and Brembo vented and grooved discs today and then drove 200 miles on the motorway. So I haven't bed them in properly yet. I'm not really expecting super uprated breaking, just want to be safe ;)
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well i still got my 280MM for my 8V and new braided lines
do i REALLY need a 22mm master cylinder ???
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From what I read, YES. Otherwise you'll be pressing and not a whole lot is going to be happening or it does not feel like anything is happening, sommat like that. Bigger is always better (now now boys calm down).
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yeah i read sommet about fluid displacement :undecided: :undecided:
but thought they would be ok
our local motorfactors say my GTi 8v has a 22mm master cyl :undecided:
are they wrong as i dont want to buy sommet i already have :cool:
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Isn't it just a case of measuring it? Or a model number on it that you can confirm what you have? Maybe the old Lefties over there did have a 22mm m/c ...
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i was under the impression that it was 16v/g60 that had 22mm mc.. and i would say your next step would be some braided lines if your hell bent on sticking with you 239s but to be honest if you could source some 280 at the right price it would be the best move
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Not hell bent ;) It's just that new hubs mean ...
£20 - 2x new ball joints
£30 - 2x new wheel bearings
£60 - 2x new disks
£20 - 2x new pads
£45 - Wheel and Camber alignment
?? - 280mm hubs, carriers and callipers
£175 without the hubby bit, very pricey.
If I'd grabbed new hubs before replacing the above, I would have been okay - but I was in a rush to get the bearings done and forgot 280mm's existed.
I don't find the 239's inadequate, far from it really.
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when my car was still a 1.8 8v, 239 with brembo disks with predator pads were up to the job. now its got its new engine, id only use 280's. there superb. bit scary in the wet :smiley:
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What models are the 280mm discs available on for 4 studs? G60? I've got a mk2 16v with standard brakes, if memory serves I have to change the carriers to fit the larger discs? It's either that or convert to 5 stud, you need to run 15in wheels behind 280mm discs?
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What models are the 280mm discs available on for 4 studs? G60?
Possibly some Corrados, unless they're all 5 stud, definitely Passat 16V and possibly some SEATs (TDI Toledo, maybe, maybe Ayebeefa)
I've got a mk2 16v with standard brakes, if memory serves I have to change the carriers to fit the larger discs?
Yes.
you need to run 15in wheels behind 280mm discs?
Yes, but check them first. I've heard of some 15" rims fouling on the calipers (none that I've used).
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you need to run 15in wheels behind 280mm discs?
Yes, but check them first. I've heard of some 15" rims fouling on the calipers (none that I've used).
hope mine fit :undecided: :undecided: will let you know after the weekend :evil:
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i think bbs RA's need spacers to fit 280s. clamping force on the brakes is a big factor so I think ill replace the master cylinder and servo on my 239s and see how it goes. the 239s are abit wooden when cold though :angry:
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What models are the 280mm discs available on for 4 studs? G60?
Possibly some Corrados, unless they're all 5 stud, definitely Passat 16V and possibly some SEATs (TDI Toledo, maybe, maybe Ayebeefa)
I've got a mk2 16v with standard brakes, if memory serves I have to change the carriers to fit the larger discs?
Yes.
you need to run 15in wheels behind 280mm discs?
Yes, but check them first. I've heard of some 15" rims fouling on the calipers (none that I've used).
Cheers for reply DH, I have an early Mk3 gowf ABF outside the house waiting to be mutilated and it's 5stud with 280 for def as I managed to get an awesome deal on some Xdrilled grooved discs, made a fair old difference.
I believe, correct me if I'm wrong anybody, but that the mk3 valvers have a 23mm master cylinder? Would make sense as it's a heavier car. Had to run 5mm spacers at the front on the mk3 to clear calipers as wheels I have were never intended for vw.
Can't decide whether to transfer 5 stud & 15x8's (I'm all about the dish) onto my mk2 as they are beasts or to keep 256's for now as I want to run my P-slots as I spent ages refurbing them. Decisions :laugh: Probs laziness will dictate that I run the p-slots as there is new rubber on them and when they're needing replaced come winter I'll transfer across, there. Decision made, at least for the next 5mins that's the plan anyway :laugh:
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My new pads and discs are about bedded in now - and I can safely say, I'm not remotely disappointed!
The stopping power is unreal, as long as I keep control on my pedal to prevent locking up, I can do some SERIOUS deceleration! Outstanding!
I might upgrade the master cylinder just to add a bit more sensitivity and stop it being soft ;)
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what pads did you go for?
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Pagid fast road pads + Brembo grooved and vented disks.
I would have got drilled and vented, but they didn't have any in stock, plus drilled are quite susceptible to hairline cracks around the holes.
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cool. did you buy them from gsf? i couldnt see the pagid pads listed for the 8v last time i checked
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Yeah GSF. They don't have them on the website for the 8v, but my local branch (Glasgow/Pollokshaws road) had them in stock.
Pad: Average Stopping Distance:
Standard OE VW Pads 34.4m
Frenzi Italia 32.3m
Pagid T4151 31.6m
Pagid FR4151 30.7m
Ferodo DS2000 32.7m
Brembo 31.8m
G-Force Sport 30.5m
Formula Pads 32.7m
OMP 961k 30.7m
Mintex 1144 26.9m
GSF part no. was 64313
http://www.stealthracing.co.uk/ViewItem.php?ItemID=119