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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: ChrisCrashTM on 09 January 2009, 20:47
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Hi, I'm a newbie to this forum and seek help.
I have been given a mk2 golf and it has been garaged waiting to be stripped of just about everything and I thought the best place to start would be the engine.
It's an F reg with 110000 miles on a 1.3 I beleive and I want a GTI or a VR6 engine fitted.
Can anyone tell me the ups and downs of fitting a VR6? As far as I know a GTI would be much simpler but I don't know wether to take the plunge and try my luck with a VR6. I think the engine I do eventually get will be rebuilt before fitting, and can anyone tell me where I stand with winding the clocks back to 0 for when its finished? I plan on pretty much every part of the car being uprated, engine first (welding in new mounts and all that jazz before its painted) then brakes, suspension, wheels and tyres, interior and ice..
Any advice with regards to what should be done when?
And can someone tell me the power on both engines?
thanks :smiley:
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Hi, I'm a newbie to this forum and seek help.
I have been given a mk2 golf and it has been garaged waiting to be stripped of just about everything and I thought the best place to start would be the engine.
It's an F reg with 110000 miles on a 1.3 I beleive and I want a GTI or a VR6 engine fitted.
Can anyone tell me the ups and downs of fitting a VR6? As far as I know a GTI would be much simpler but I don't know wether to take the plunge and try my luck with a VR6. I think the engine I do eventually get will be rebuilt before fitting, and can anyone tell me where I stand with winding the clocks back to 0 for when its finished? I plan on pretty much every part of the car being uprated, engine first (welding in new mounts and all that jazz before its painted) then brakes, suspension, wheels and tyres, interior and ice..
Any advice with regards to what should be done when?
And can someone tell me the power on both engines?
thanks :smiley:
Hello and welcome to the forum.
If you use the search function at the top of the page as has already been suggested, albeit rather directly as usual from the forum clown, you will find a wealth of info on this subject. The VR6 lump produces about 170bhp, where as the 16v 1.8 unit produces 139bhp. Or the 2.0 16v unit produces 150 bhp.
If I were you, I would go for a 2.0 transplant. If you want the 1.8 16v, then I suggest you buy a 16v GTI.
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Hi, I'm a newbie to this forum and seek help.
I have been given a mk2 golf and it has been garaged waiting to be stripped of just about everything and I thought the best place to start would be the engine.
It's an F reg with 110000 miles on a 1.3 I beleive and I want a GTI or a VR6 engine fitted.
Can anyone tell me the ups and downs of fitting a VR6? As far as I know a GTI would be much simpler but I don't know wether to take the plunge and try my luck with a VR6. I think the engine I do eventually get will be rebuilt before fitting, and can anyone tell me where I stand with winding the clocks back to 0 for when its finished? I plan on pretty much every part of the car being uprated, engine first (welding in new mounts and all that jazz before its painted) then brakes, suspension, wheels and tyres, interior and ice..
Any advice with regards to what should be done when?
And can someone tell me the power on both engines?
thanks :smiley:
Hello and welcome to the forum.
If you use the search function at the top of the page as has already been suggested, albeit rather directly as usual from the forum clown, you will find a wealth of info on this subject. The VR6 lump produces about 170bhp, where as the 16v 1.8 unit produces 139bhp. Or the 2.0 16v unit produces 150 bhp.
If I were you, I would go for a 2.0 transplant. If you want the 1.8 16v, then I suggest you buy a 16v GTI.
danny p's 2.0 16v produces more than 150 and is standard.
i don't see why i should waste time constructing well written sentences and points when the op can't be bothered to search.
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i don't see why i should waste time constructing well written sentences and points when the op can't be bothered to search.
do you not remember being new to the forum !!!!
he is just asking and people are just replying , you had your say now unless you have anything of use to say SHUT UP
P.S start with a GTi it is easier , post 90 spec (i think )if you want a VR6 conversion cos the wiring is differant
but searchy search :smug: :smug:
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Can't be bothered to search?
Only asked for advice. Like i said, new to the forum.
If i wanted a GTI I would buy one, fact is I want to build one.
I apologise for wasting your precious few minutes.
Thanks for the last 2 comment's.
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Can't be bothered to search?
Only asked for advice. Like i said, new to the forum.
If i wanted a GTI I would buy one, fact is I want to build one.
I apologise for wasting your precious few minutes.
Thanks for the last 2 comment's.
You can introduce yourself here. http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?board=29.0
We also have a projects section which I am sure you have seen. Look forward to seeing your project on there, unless you have been put off from this site already.
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just ignore some of the ignorant people on here, if you plan on upgrading everything then you might as well do up your one then instead of getting a gti and upgrading bits on that, the only tricky bit will be the engine change but if you get a donor car from a scrappy it should be fine.
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Yeah, thats what I thought I would do to start with. I have a couple of places to store cars so it shouldn't be a problem either.
will a 2.0 16v fit on the same mounts as a 1.3? or are they different? and what gearbox should I use? I know some people just leave the old gearbox in.. but I dont know about a 1.3.
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If you want to look more into the vr6 conversion, take a look at mk2vr6.com. There site has been down for a few weeks but should be running again any day now. There is more than enough info on there regarding the conversion. As for the choice of engine it depends what you want out of the car etc,, Ben
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If you want to look more into the vr6 conversion, take a look at mk2vr6.com. There site has been down for a few weeks but should be running again any day now. There is more than enough info on there regarding the conversion. As for the choice of engine it depends what you want out of the car etc,, Ben
Cheers, il have a look.
To be honest i'm not going to go racing in it, it will be my daily use car but I want to make a show car out of it and I guess its nice to have a bit of power every so often.
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Behave.
There is a search function, there is also loads on this subject. My advice, search for stuff before posting, as most of the time it can be answered by having a look first. Remember the car and people working on them have been around for the best part of 30years (nearly) so there is more than likely a post to suit your questions.
Otherwise i just lock it and tell you all to use the search function.
If you want to throw toys at each other and do some proverbial willy waving then do it via pm.
Enjoy your evening.
Edit: also be wary of the mk3 engines as some of them are tall blocks so will need lowering in the engine bay to close the bonnet.
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Yeah, thats what I thought I would do to start with. I have a couple of places to store cars so it shouldn't be a problem either.
will a 2.0 16v fit on the same mounts as a 1.3? or are they different? and what gearbox should I use? I know some people just leave the old gearbox in.. but I dont know about a 1.3.
Hello and welcome to the forum.
In reply to this question the 1.3 engine mounts are differnt from the 2.0. 1.3 gearbox wouldn't fit either as far as I'm aware.
The 1.6 driver engine plugs straight into the 1.3 bay. Couple this with your 1.3 gearbox, 8v gti cam, exhaust manifold and down pipe and strip out interior, slam it on 14's with gti brakes and you'd have quite a handy wee pocket rocket for pennies. That's pretty much what I did when i started and I still miss that car :cry:
In response to you're original post, as has already been covered, depends what you want from the car, tedious things like budget, insurance, fuel consumption etc would need to be taken into account if it's going to be your daily.
Vr can be monster if S/c or T/c and then there's the noise
2ltr is lighter and closer to what was there originaly and is what I'm in the process of building. This too can be pretty close to vr power
Then you have 1.8T also but that imo sounds pants but can achieve crazy numbers.
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take the p*@# I cant find the information I want searching this site or google. I have decided on a 1.8 8v gti engine 80's spec and I want to know if it will drop in on the same mounts as the 1.3 or not, and i want to know what other major bits of work it entails. I dont want to be told to search or to buy a gti because if I wanted to do that I would of allready. Its in the mk2 golf section so someone please give me a bit of advice if its really not toooo much trouble?
He is not taking the piss. He is a moderator and it is his job to make sure this site runs smoothly without clogging up cyber space by the same questions being asked every week.
We realise that you are new to the forum, but take a little more time to find your way around it. The search function will bring up a multitude of info, but not necesarily the exact info you are looking for. Don't punch in '1.3 to VR6 conversion', because you will probably come up with nothing. But MKII, or MK2 VR6 will. Just a little pointer.
Sorry you had a bad start, but really, don't tar us all with the same brush.
Now about your question. To fit a 1.8 8v, you will need the engine and gearbox along with the gear linkeages and possibly the drive shafts. You will also need the necessary wiring loom and ECU if going for a digifant set up, and the fuel pump and possibly fuel tank. (Will need clarification) The engine mounts will certainly be different, but I am not sure about the sub frame. Someone else will know.
You will also need to uprate your brakes and suspension too, not to mention the exhaust.
The best way to go about it really is to buy a donor car that should be in a scrap yard. Then you will have all the things you need, and some spares. There are sure to be some rust buckets around that will never see the road again that you could buy and trailer home. :wink:
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thanks neo, do you know anything about the 1.8 8v? are the mounts different? i have been looking at picture around the forum and noticed the engine mounts are all on the sub frame and the front crossmember? (i havnt looked around my own properly yet) if so surely its not THAT big a job to change the subframe and drop in an 80's spec gti? or am i badly mistaken?
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Some how, you answered Neo before I finished. Look at my last reply again. There is more info! :laugh:
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weird :s
i didnt say the moderator was taking the piss
never mind anyway thanks for the help, so presumably the 1.8 8v doesnt runs on carbs? and whaen you say your not sure about subframes do you mean you dont know about engine mounts or you dont know about swapping?
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The engine mounts will be different between the two engines, ie, the GTI ones, or at least the front one will be stronger. You can get a PB engine to run on carbs, but you have to block the injector ports, usually with 1 penny pieces araldited in. But if you want to carb up a GTI engine, go for the 16v. With well set up carbs, you will well exceed the stock 139bhp for the 1.8, or 150bhp for the 2.0.
I have never done swaps like this before, only read about them. But it will not be difficult and I would not think twice about starting one.
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CBA reading all the posts cos i'm quite pissed right now.
it's a mk2 ALL of them have the same subframe. ALL the 4 pots will bolt to it
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if all the subframes are the same the how is the front track wider on a gti, and wider still on a vr6? and arnt the engine mounts on the subframe and front crossmember?
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if all the subframes are the same the how is the front track wider on a gti
Is it?
and wider still on a vr6?
You talking mk3s now?
The mk2 can be made "wide track", but that is all in the wishbones from a passat i believe.
All mk2 subframes are the same, and all the engines bolt up in the same place, it's just the actual rubber mount that varies between some engines.
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CBA reading all the posts cos i'm quite pissed right now.
it's a mk2 ALL of them have the same subframe. ALL the 4 pots will bolt to it
Actually now you mention it Danny, you're totally right, apologies, I was thinking back to a polo project a while back 1.3 has different mounts on it and needs moved to fit anything bigger.
1.8 8v runs fuel injection but can be converted to carbs with correct manifold.
However if you were building a 1.3 into gti spec, whilst it seems a good idea at the mo, it will not be worth it overall and it'd be better to just buy a Gti as from the factory and be done with it.
If you're thinking about doing it as a way round insurance then don't even go there as if you have a prang and they find out you are effectively uninsured. Not really worth it.
So either mod your 1.3 and enjoy it as is or do something you can't buy as standard.
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the idea was something completely different, i wanted a gti engine but nothing more..
braided brake lines drilled and grooved disks, ebc pads, coilovers the works.
the spray job will have airbrush work aswell and i have a friend who owns a shop selling and fitting audio so i will get a good deal for ice
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MK-2-Golf-16v-engine_W0QQitemZ140293842752QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item140293842752&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1299%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A2%7C240%3A1318
can anyone tell me if this engine may be worth the buy? if i can get it bellow £100 it will cost 40-50 in petrol to pick it up, cost wise, is it worth it?
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It looks alright to me. You may want to budget for a gasket set and open it up to give it a check through, clean up, and perhaps replace the shells. :smiley:
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MK-2-Golf-16v-engine_W0QQitemZ140293842752QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item140293842752&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1299%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A2%7C240%3A1318
can anyone tell me if this engine may be worth the buy? if i can get it bellow £100 it will cost 40-50 in petrol to pick it up, cost wise, is it worth it?
If it was near by, I'd say yes. At that distance I wouldn't be bothered. With an engine like that you have to assume a full rebuild is required and factor that into the price.
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I wouldn't even pay £50.....
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hmmn, still thin what I said previously applies.... Quick shufty on the 'bay turned up the following....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VR6-engine-gearbox-conversion-kit_W0QQitemZ260344744417QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item260344744417&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1299%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1995-GOLF-VR6-2-8-ENGINE-PASSAT-VENTO_W0QQitemZ140274691886QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item140274691886&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1299%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
I'd say they'd be worth considering above an engine that's been sat outside. Reckon you'd end up spending more on the cheap engines in consumeables etc. In my experience generally you gets whats yous pays for...however if you're patient there are bargains out there
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for the price of the top one you can get a full car almost
rip out what you do want and sell the rest
then you can go 5 stud on the rear also :grin:
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I still say, don't bother with a 1.8 as there are loads of cars out there that you can buy with one in as standard. Go for, at least, a 2.0 ABF, which are not fitted as standard.
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i would
if i had a 1.3 or summet i would do a 20v turbo or something extreme
not just a 1.8
but thats just me :wink:
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i would
if i had a 1.3 or summet i would do a 20v turbo or something extreme
not just a 1.8
but thats just me :wink:
Me too...