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Title: PAS on a 1.3
Post by: bigman_10 on 04 January 2009, 21:59

i've tried looking for help in the search and on other forums and cant get an answer...

Does anyone know how to get the the PAS pump to fit on a small block?? I cant seem to work out how it bolts up? does anyone have a picture of the 16v pump set up, as i think it its underneath the water pump IIRC or on top, but the small blocks have an altenator there will it mount on the inlet side??

Any help appreciated :wink:

Title: Re: PAS on a 1.3
Post by: mattneck(Beavis) on 04 January 2009, 22:01

Mk3 Golf 1.4 ABD = same block.. Ibiza 1.3/1.4 mid 90s.. also same block iirc.. and both i ahve seen feature PAS!  :cool:

So in theory you should be able to throw everything PAS around it pipes, rack the lot, and then use the Mk3 ABD engine brackets/pulleys/alternator setup or whatever you may need.. then hook the pump to that? I looked at it a LONG time ago, but then went off it as i needed the car everyday  :grin:

Title: Re: PAS on a 1.3
Post by: bigman_10 on 04 January 2009, 22:10

dam i've already bought all the 16v mk2 stuff :grin: i saw someone do it to a 1.6 !! i'll have a butchers at and abd piccie and see if it sheds any light good thinking!

Title: Re: PAS on a 1.3
Post by: bigman_10 on 05 January 2009, 21:53

just for future reference iv found that yes you can use the 16v rack and pipes with the abd brackets and altenator and bottom pulley. also a different idea was to take the electric pump of a saxo and mount that separtely all together, all the line match up and saves buying lots of new bits! You'd just have to wire it in  :grin:

Title: Re: PAS on a 1.3
Post by: danny_p on 05 January 2009, 22:08

doing something very much the same here on my abf.    the power steering pump just pisses me off by looking at it so it's going and getting replaced by leccy one

Title: Re: PAS on a 1.3
Post by: bigman_10 on 05 January 2009, 22:14

yeah i've though about an electric pump what where you thinking of wiring it off for the power?
also what donor are you thinking of? i dont want anything too strong i'd like some feel to stay :wink:!

Title: Re: PAS on a 1.3
Post by: danny_p on 06 January 2009, 01:59

i'll proably split the trigger for the fuel pump relay and use it to drive a 40A relay,  that way the pas pump will only be on when engine is running,   on a carbed car id sugedst looking at a k jet fuel pump circuit

Title: Re: PAS on a 1.3
Post by: bigman_10 on 06 January 2009, 13:22

ahh ha fuel pump circuit theres an idea  :grin:! I think i'll stick with the mechanical pump, think it'll be slightly easier and i'm not as good with electrics so i doubt i'd wire it right in a weekend  :undecided:!

cheers dude

Title: Re: PAS on a 1.3
Post by: danny_p on 06 January 2009, 13:41

IIRC  the k jet fuel pump circuit  looks at the LT side of the coil for a tach signal and will only operate the pump when there is a tach signal ( ie enigne running ) in theory this should retrofit to your car and would only have to run the pas pump.

Title: Re: PAS on a 1.3
Post by: rubjonny on 06 January 2009, 14:34

yeah thats right, trouble is they tend to be a bit pricey. also some have a rev limiter built in so watch that, last thing you want is the pas to cut out if you rev too high in a corner.  Though would be difficult to manage it in a 1.3 :P

Title: Re: PAS on a 1.3
Post by: bigman_10 on 06 January 2009, 17:49

I fancy having a go at this electric stuff now just to see if i could do it :grin: i'll have a look and see if i can source the k jet fuel pump circuit 'at budget price' first though.

Now when you say fuel pump circuit... i take it i need the wiring loom and correct fuel pump relay, anything else?

how will i know if theres a built in rev limiter btw is it on specific models??

i'm thinking plug into back of my fuse box stick relay in corresponding slot, connect up to coil connect fuel pump section up to PAS pump, job done?
 
how much power will a leccy pump use though would i have to uprate the altenator aswell?

cheers guys

Title: Re: PAS on a 1.3
Post by: danny_p on 06 January 2009, 18:33

i don't know of anyone thats done this yet but havent looked.  so you'll have to search and work things out.  the pas pumps are quite power hungry my alternator is 90A so should deal with it happily it i think.   lookign at the wireing loom it chould be anythign upto 40A peack but havent checked currents yet

Title: Re: PAS on a 1.3
Post by: bigman_10 on 06 January 2009, 20:05

cool stepping into new territoy then  :smug:!

right i'll see what i can find i think a trip to the breakers is in order aswell, thanks the help!

Title: Re: PAS on a 1.3
Post by: danny_p on 06 January 2009, 22:21

skoda fabia havs a VAG pump 

pumps can also be found on, new mini renult kangoo  , saxo  , 106  ,  and lots more

Title: Re: PAS on a 1.3
Post by: bigman_10 on 06 January 2009, 22:26

VAG sounds cool i dont know if i like the sound of a french influence :tongue:. Imight even have to make a build thread... providing i can figure out how to do it first!

Title: Re: PAS on a 1.3
Post by: danny_p on 06 January 2009, 22:36

btw  the list price of a new skoda pump is £535 breackers want £200 for the later ones £80 for the early ones whitch can be problematic

Title: Re: PAS on a 1.3
Post by: bigman_10 on 06 January 2009, 22:41

whats the word... bollocks  :grin: french it is! whats your choice of pump by the way?

Title: Re: PAS on a 1.3
Post by: danny_p on 06 January 2009, 22:49

have skoda one.