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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: The Dave on 16 September 2010, 02:12
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I aint yet done this to my own car but planning a trip to r-tech soon for a new TIP, 007p and a health check/rolling road run.
Makes sense do the airbox and panel filter before I go....but does it honestly make any difference? I won't be doing the DSG mod just yet, too keen to get the TIP and recirc valve before I buy those bits.
So what difference will I see with a pipercross filter (if thats the best to use?) and a smoothed airbox? Is a paper filter just as good?
Does the noise change at all?
Cheers :)
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You can notice a difference, Both Rhys and I agree on this.
It makes is more responsive, nick from R-tech did tests on different intakes and found the DSG mod and pipercross to be the best all round set up.
The pipercross is reusable and helps with air flow. You will get more of a dump sound and induction note. :smiley:
(Knowing your luck it wont make any difference to your car and you will say its crap :grin: )
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im running a panel filter but no DSG intake, but also have a forge tip. basically there will be gains due to the air being able to get to the turbo quicker and also more air passing through the filter.
as said, induction note will be slightly louder but hardly noticable.
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Get an induction and just sit back and love the sound day in day out :)
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Ta for the replies guys :) I may aswell get one lol how long do the pipercross filters go before needing cleaning would you say?
It's only 34 quid and doing the airbox is free, DSG stuff can wait a little bit as I'd rather get the TIP and DV first. Think it's 85 fitted for the DV and 134 fitted for the TIP from R-Tech. I may aswell have the 65 quid "health check" and 2 rolling road runs too lol. One before the tip/dv and one after if I'm lucky? :D
I should be saving my money really but I want get it done so I can stop thinking about it haha.
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Health check is a good buy.. that is cheap for tip and install and atleast it saves you the hastle lol
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Aye not worth faffing about for that price. I could get one and get my mechanic do it but I know R-Tech do these things day in day out and I know it won't be popping off if they fit it :) Gotta put faith into those doing it day in day out!
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Oh yes gota be done.. what mods next for you ??
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I've gone slightly OTT on maintenance really, every single fluid has been changed, almost every bloody bit on the car has been changed (bushes, window regs, wiper motor and MK5 wiper arms etc, poly dog bone and rear bushes), cambelt, thermostat, all filters, clutch & flywheel, loads more so it's had a bomb spent... so just the TIP, DV, filter, smooth the airbox and to be honest it's pretty much done for me :)
Maybe some new valances front and rear, bit of paintwork, US spec rear lights and maybe coilovers next year. It's only an AGU so baby ko3, can't see the point of spending loads to chase minimal power after the above has been done. It's got an APR stage one remap on it at the mo.
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i was managing to get 197/198nhp out of the tiny k03 turbo with cat back milltek system, 3 inch downpipe n de-cat, forge tip, pipercross panel filter, forge 007p and R-Tech map.
felt really good and loads better than stock.
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You can notice a difference, Both Rhys and I agree on this.
It makes is more responsive, nick from R-tech did tests on different intakes and found the DSG mod and pipercross to be the best all round set up.
The pipercross is reusable and helps with air flow. You will get more of a dump sound and induction note. :smiley:
(Knowing your luck it wont make any difference to your car and you will say its crap :grin: )
no dude that was just standard airbox/filter vs pipercross
airbox smoothing is a bit pointless, the fins act as tumblers to evenly distribute the flow across the face of the filter so you dont end up with it sucking all the sh!t into one corner. Performance panel filter in a standard box is good enough, CAI is marginally better.
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Aye, remember reading your spec list :) It'd be nice to push the most outta it I can but cost effectiveness will go out the window if I do a full exhaust lol.
It's got a stealth stylee backbox on it, sounds ok quite deep and bassy, I'd like a bigger downpipe and sports cat ideally but we'll see.
See thats why I asked about the smoothed airbox. I have been googling and a lot of people say 0 gain. Some people say placebo effect. Some people say it sounds a tad louder, louder dumping/chattering noise...but no noticable gain purely from smoothing the airbox.
Confusing times, dunno wether to bother or not after I read all that hence asking the experts :)
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You can notice a difference, Both Rhys and I agree on this.
It makes is more responsive, nick from R-tech did tests on different intakes and found the DSG mod and pipercross to be the best all round set up.
The pipercross is reusable and helps with air flow. You will get more of a dump sound and induction note. :smiley:
(Knowing your luck it wont make any difference to your car and you will say its crap :grin: )
no dude that was just standard airbox/filter vs pipercross
airbox smoothing is a bit pointless, the fins act as tumblers to evenly distribute the flow across the face of the filter so you dont end up with it sucking all the sh!t into one corner. Performance panel filter in a standard box is good enough, CAI is marginally better.
Ah ok :cool:
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I think your right with the placebo affect.. just like the vr6 clutch upgrade because its single mass flywheel instead of dual mass you automatically assume its lighter and it turn giving better acceloration when infact single mass was slightly heavier.. Your mind works in mysterious ways lol
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I think your right with the placebo affect.. just like the vr6 clutch upgrade because its single mass flywheel instead of dual mass you automatically assume its lighter and it turn giving better acceloration when infact single mass was slightly heavier.. Your mind works in mysterious ways lol
True :laugh:
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I think your right with the placebo affect.. just like the vr6 clutch upgrade because its single mass flywheel instead of dual mass you automatically assume its lighter and it turn giving better acceloration when infact single mass was slightly heavier.. Your mind works in mysterious ways lol
True :laugh:
Not all single mass flywheels are heavier. There heavier if you buy the wrong one. :grin:
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I probably bought the wrong one haha. It seems a bit revvier, responsive though. But a negligable amount, so yep - placebo effect haha.
Gonna do a bit of searching for the r-tech filter comparison tests if I can get search to work with 2 words or more! lol :)
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Now your asking mate lol
I read the thread Hulmie and i swear if you get the vr6 flywheel from VW its slightly heavier no ?? I thought the only ones that are lighter are ones like the 14lb one from ECS etc..
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i read the same post as you mate as i think we both inputted on the post.
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too save you a bit more money bud i have a nearly new pipercross panel filter sat with my parts box not needed as im running a carbonio as said its as good as new and you can have it if you just want to cover postage cost :wink: pm me if you like as i gotta go to work :sad:
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Cheers mate have sent you a message :D
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Am finding conflicting ideas over smoothing the airbox...
Some people claim the ridges help distribute air evenly to all parts of the filter, help stop moisture build up getting to the filter etc. One guy claiming his green filter rusted and according to JBS it was because he smoothed his airbox! lol :)
Most people having good results obviously with the DSG intake stuff or 80mm ducting from front bumper up to the airbox...
Dunno wether smooth it or not really.
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When i first bought my golf i got a pipercross and 007p which was ok for abit but i wanted more induction noise and cooler air so went for a cheapo ebay cold induction kit that costs the same as the panel filter alone, the CAI (cold air induction) fits where your airbox is now and runs down below the battery to the bumper, i worried about ingesting water but unless you drive through a foot of it you should be ok although i pushed the cone filter as far upwards as it would go and havent had any problems yet, first thing you will notice is the dump valve noise is louder and adds as a bonus to the cooler intake temps. so if your not bothered about induction noise go for a panel filter and DSG mod but if you want it get the CAI :cool:
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induction ftw !!1
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Mate of mine has a carbonio CAI on his and it does sound sweet with the dump valve, his car has a ko3s and stage 2 revo map and some other bits but he's spent a fortune due to blown turbo, cam chain stuff etc lol. Sounds nice though, I'm looking forward to having a go when his exhaust is done (blowing downpipe somewhere) to see if it's a lot quicker than mine (ko3 :( ) - his spins up all the time but I put it down to cheap crap tyres more than full on power, he reckons its well over 250bhp! lol I don't agree but it does go well.
Would be nice though but not too fussed, nearly 30, don't wanna stand out toooo much :D
Thanks to northeast_gti-t there's a pipercross panel filter on it's way next week so theres a start (cheers again mate :))
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Mate of mine has a carbonio CAI on his and it does sound sweet with the dump valve, his car has a ko3s and stage 2 revo map and some other bits but he's spent a fortune due to blown turbo, cam chain stuff etc lol. Sounds nice though, I'm looking forward to having a go when his exhaust is done (blowing downpipe somewhere) to see if it's a lot quicker than mine (ko3 :( ) - his spins up all the time but I put it down to cheap crap tyres more than full on power, he reckons its well over 250bhp! lol I don't agree but it does go well.
Would be nice though but not too fussed, nearly 30, don't wanna stand out toooo much :D
Thanks to northeast_gti-t there's a pipercross panel filter on it's way next week so theres a start (cheers again mate :))
Best get it on a rolling road to see once he's sorted it :evil:
and i worry at nearly 40 :lipsrsealed: :grin:
No problem Dave happy to help you out :afro:
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yeha i found when i had my mkiv it did make a difference and esp once i fitted my DSG intake . . . . which was a doddle :rolleyes:
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I think I will smooth it out just to see if it the sound is changed lol :) Unless I can find one ready done on here.. hmm good idea.
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yeha i found when i had my mkiv it did make a difference and esp once i fitted my DSG intake . . . . which was a doddle :rolleyes:
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Fitted a Pipercross filter today courtesy off Matt, possibly a bit more responsive but chatters/dumps off a bit louder which is cool, not too loud so does me :)
I know it's a dumb question but is it hard to take the whole airbox out? I think I'll at some point have a go @ smoothing it and maybe a few small holes on the wing side for a tad more induction noise?
I am gonna book it into R-Tech for the Forge TIP and 007p very soon, so I'm quite looking forward to that :D
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piece of piss mate take about 5-10 mins tops..