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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: jaceyboy on 09 May 2022, 15:41
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My brother is looking at buying a black TCR which has very low miles and extremely good spec, as its a ltd model I wonder if its a secure investment?
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Difficult to judge at the moment with all makes and models getting strong money for the last year or so.
I would say fairly inline with the CS (not the CSS). For me I think it is better than the CS sans the buckets and looking back is probably the pick of the GTI's outside the CSS which for most won't be an everyday car. I know some will prefer older gens like MK5 etc but think it will stand up well.
I think if it had come with buckets as simple as that sounds it would have probably felt a bit more special for some, also the price when it came with the Akra exhaust went against it a little.
I have one so fingers crossed it keeps some value but based on my track record I am not 100% confident :grin:
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It depends on your definition of what a secure investment is. It would help if you clarified that point and what your brother intends to do with it.
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He isnt looking to make money, just wants to be secure in not losing a shed load over a few years :laugh:
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I think he’d be ok, bought my GTI new in December 2018, paid £28k for it and is now worth about £23 - £24k on a private sale, not that she’ll ever get sold.
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I suppose the biggest problem is the current inflated prices for secondhand cars. The bubble will burst at some point but who knows how the prices will settle. Personally I don't think the TCR will fare much better than a GTIP or an R. But, it is a great car and at the very least your brother will enjoy driving one!
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My brother is looking at buying a black TCR which has very low miles and extremely good spec, as its a ltd model I wonder if its a secure investment?
The TCR will end up commanding a small premium over a GTI PP/ R, the same as what a CS will do. It was not as special as a CSS, but it was build to celebrate the VW TCR race car, so there is that. No used car is worth the current asking money, so your brother will loose money if he bought one now, no matter how good/ clean the example is.
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I think over time it will be a classic, only 300 made wasn't it?, this one also has very rare spec, leather, sunroof, electric seats, DCC etc.
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I think over time it will be a classic, only 300 made wasn't it?, this one also has very rare spec, leather, sunroof, electric seats, DCC etc.
About 860 in the UK alone, your 300 number I believe refers to how many in the SA market.
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:laugh:
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He isnt looking to make money, just wants to be secure in not losing a shed load over a few years :laugh:
Its not the best time to buy a used car with the idea of it holding value, it's slowly going back to a downward slope.
If he'd bought it maybe 18mths ago he'd have made an investment that would have held value for a few years but as the supply chain picks up & all the inflated price used cars bought by WBAC/Motorway during the lock downs are depleted the price being offered are getting less .
& then there's those who bought at the peak holding back to try & recoup some of their potential equity.
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You say that but there is still a starvation of the market, new cars are not coming through, so the second hand market is still high, I remember everyone saying as Covid hit the market would full of out of its arse, look what happened.....
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You say that but there is still a starvation of the market, new cars are not coming through, so the second hand market is still high, I remember everyone saying as Covid hit the market would full of out of its arse, look what happened.....
It’s a bad time to buy any used car, doesn’t really matter what it is. Prices are 10-20% inflated, there will be a huge correct shortly. But that being said I wouldn’t let it deter him from buying it if that’s what he wants.
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You say that but there is still a starvation of the market, new cars are not coming through, so the second hand market is still high, I remember everyone saying as Covid hit the market would full of out of its arse, look what happened.....
It’s a bad time to buy any used car, doesn’t really matter what it is. Prices are 10-20% inflated, there will be a huge correct shortly. But that being said I wouldn’t let it deter him from buying it if that’s what he wants.
I agree with that, with all the rises in living costs I think cars will crash soon, which is why im not buying yet
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When i bought mine i was fortunate enough to have a choice of two to pick from so i could do a side by side comparison between a red and black one. What swung it for me was:
1. If i'm buying a 'special edition' car i want it to stand out as a special edition, the decals and extra trim on the black one blended in too well with the paintwork. Obviously it's subjective but on the red/white/grey everything is more noticeable, the black one does have a stealthier look about it but that wasn't what i was after. Like i said it's just a personal taste thing.
2. There was a price difference of £2.5k between them, with the black being higher. They were the same spec and year but the black one had done 9k miles and the red 15k, £2.5k seemed a lot for a difference of 6k miles!
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This is the one he's going for, got it for £33k, its got such a huge rare spec ive never seen before
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205045319269?fromSavedAds=true&advertising-location=at_cars
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This is the one he's going for, got it for £33k, its got such a huge rare spec ive never seen before
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205045319269?fromSavedAds=true&advertising-location=at_cars
That looks great and a very clean example, but it doesn’t have the Akra exhaust, which coming from the good investment prospective you’d want it. If I was in the market for a top spec TCR and parting with that amount of money I wouldn’t buy one without the akra exhaust.
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That doesnt bother him because it pops and crackles without the Akra, and it could always be added later...
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I wouldn't worry about the Akra exhaust you can always put on an exhaust if you really want it, you can't add a sunroof.
Does your brother have a car to sell to buy the TCR? If yes then it really doesn't matter about car prices, the TCR may be inflated but so will his which will roughly cancel it out.
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Yep exhaust can be added, the sunroof and other extras cant, he's buying cash
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This is the one he's going for, got it for £33k, its got such a huge rare spec ive never seen before
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205045319269?fromSavedAds=true&advertising-location=at_cars
huge spec? Performance pack, leather and sunroof are the options the rest is standard spec. Looks nice never the less but majority of adverts say huge spec as sellers don't seem to have a clue the standard spec is so good.
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This is the one he's going for, got it for £33k, its got such a huge rare spec ive never seen before
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205045319269?fromSavedAds=true&advertising-location=at_cars
huge spec? Performance pack, leather and sunroof are the options the rest is standard spec. Looks nice never the less but majority of adverts say huge spec as sellers don't seem to have a clue the standard spec is so good.
You show me a TCR with leather, roof and performance pack then other than that one!
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Looks great jaceyboy, your brother should love it!
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This is the one he's going for, got it for £33k, its got such a huge rare spec ive never seen before
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205045319269?fromSavedAds=true&advertising-location=at_cars
huge spec? Performance pack, leather and sunroof are the options the rest is standard spec. Looks nice never the less but majority of adverts say huge spec as sellers don't seem to have a clue the standard spec is so good.
You show me a TCR with leather, roof and performance pack then other than that one!
Is DCC standard on the TCR??
I love how they don't list the leather as an option, but its in the photos :grin: :grin: :grin:
Lets hope the sunroof surround doesn't crack... tell him to watch out for that.
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You can't go wrong buying from APS, very professional, Ed has purchased 2 Golfs from me in last year or so.
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You can't go wrong buying from APS, very professional, Ed has purchased 2 Golfs from me in last year or so.
One comment I will make is the pic of the Tyre in that add is different to the other ones fitted, they should be the N0 Porsche spec tyres, that one pictured isn't.
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You can't go wrong buying from APS, very professional, Ed has purchased 2 Golfs from me in last year or so.
One comment I will make is the pic of the Tyre in that add is different to the other ones fitted, they should be the N0 Porsche spec tyres, that one pictured isn't.
Looks like NSF tyre.
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This is the one he's going for, got it for £33k, its got such a huge rare spec ive never seen before
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205045319269?fromSavedAds=true&advertising-location=at_cars
huge spec? Performance pack, leather and sunroof are the options the rest is standard spec. Looks nice never the less but majority of adverts say huge spec as sellers don't seem to have a clue the standard spec is so good.
You show me a TCR with leather, roof and performance pack then other than that one!
If your brother is looking at a TCR as an alternate asset class, he's thinking about it wrong. There are probably two markets - enthusiasts and collectors. The APS car looks great but it doesn't work for either market IMHO. Limited production is a part of the picture but not the only part.
If you consider the enthusiast market who will most likely be the audience for this car, they're going to be looking for something that represents the unique proposition of the car. Leather seats remove the aesthetic that was unique to the TCR and it came in Pure Grey exclusively, this car is black. Sunroof? We all know what mass high in a vehicle does to dynamics for a car that's supposed to be 'race car'. It has Pretoria wheels, not Reifnitz which came as part of the TCR package. A collector will want an example of the type of which this is not.
It's a lovely car but the TCR connection is largely fraudulent and marketing gimmick. I think the 7 CS / CSS and 7.5 TCR will be the most sought after models in future because they represent a high water mark. I don't know if I would say that the TCR would carry a premium but maybe 'more desirable' or 'top end of the market' are probably more realistic terms to set expectations. Rising tide lifts all boats and the current production situation coupled with dealers inflating prices means it's not an ideal time.
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Nice looking for sure but it doesn’t stand out as a TCR, for most it will just look like a gti
If I wanted a better chance of it being worth more somewhere down the line I would look to align to what makes it special as mentioned above:
Pure grey
Reifnitz (comes with dcc and top speed)
Interior cloth
Akra exhaust
Non of this makes it a better car, but could help down the line as these options define more than anything what the tcr is, to me at least.
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Nice looking for sure but it doesn’t stand out as a TCR, for most it will just look like a gti
If I wanted a better chance of it being worth more somewhere down the line I would look to align to what makes it special as mentioned above:
Pure grey
Reifnitz (comes with dcc and top speed)
Interior cloth
Akra exhaust
Non of this makes it a better car, but could help down the line as these options define more than anything what the tcr is, to me at least.
I have a very early car and it didn't have the Akra exhaust otherwise all of the above are ticked. This makes it more exclusive and worth a massive premium. :grin:
On a practical level, I think the fabric seats hold up better and look fresher. I've seen some leather seats which have brought down the feel of a car through use. I was helping a mate find a CS and eventually an R, made a big difference perceptually to me at least.
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I must say firstly its a nice tidy looking example, but if it was me spending my cash on a TCR it would have to be in Pure Grey, its the exclusive TCR colour which distinguishes them apart from any other GTI.
A nice 3 dr Pure Grey with Performance Pack, no sunroof, would be my choice, from things ive read theres not much difference between the standard pipe over an Akra so i wouldnt bother so much about that.
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I must say firstly its a nice tidy looking example, but if it was me spending my cash on a TCR it would have to be in Pure Grey, its the exclusive TCR colour which distinguishes them apart from any other GTI.
A nice 3 dr Pure Grey with Performance Pack, no sunroof, would be my choice, from things ive read theres not much difference between the standard pipe over an Akra so i wouldnt bother so much about that.
The problem is with only 831 licensed TCR’s on the UK’s roads as at Q3 2021 they’re relatively rare (source; https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/volkswagen_golf_gti_tcr_s-a). So the more selective you are in terms of colour, spec, number of doors etc., the less chance you have of finding that ‘perfect’ car.
IMHO, condition and service/ maintenance history is more important than spec when buying a used car, and it might be necessary to make compromises on spec.
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This is the one he's going for, got it for £33k, its got such a huge rare spec ive never seen before
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205045319269?fromSavedAds=true&advertising-location=at_cars
huge spec? Performance pack, leather and sunroof are the options the rest is standard spec. Looks nice never the less but majority of adverts say huge spec as sellers don't seem to have a clue the standard spec is so good.
You show me a TCR with leather, roof and performance pack then other than that one!
big difference between rare spec and huge spec. This one falls into rare. They are fantastic cars and as long as your brother is happy with it that's all that counts 👍
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Nice looking for sure but it doesn’t stand out as a TCR, for most it will just look like a gti
If I wanted a better chance of it being worth more somewhere down the line I would look to align to what makes it special as mentioned above:
Pure grey
Reifnitz (comes with dcc and top speed)
Interior cloth
Akra exhaust
Non of this makes it a better car, but could help down the line as these options define more than anything what the tcr is, to me at least.
I have a very early car and it didn't have the Akra exhaust otherwise all of the above are ticked. This makes it more exclusive and worth a massive premium. :grin:
Likewise, I listed my spec :grin:
Just wanted to highlight these were the exclusive items (sans the exhaust maybe - but it became standard rather than an option). This to me if I was looking at it being an investment would make these options more appealing.
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The problem is with only 831 licensed TCR’s on the UK’s roads as at Q3 2021 they’re relatively rare (source; https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/volkswagen_golf_gti_tcr_s-a). So the more selective you are in terms of colour, spec, number of doors etc., the less chance you have of finding that ‘perfect’ car.
IMHO, condition and service/ maintenance history is more important than spec when buying a used car, and it might be necessary to make compromises on spec.
LOL, I know only too well as i was on the hunt for a 3 door Clubsport, manual, with Recaros.
Makes the number of available cars very small, but if your prepared to wait, hopefully, the right one comes along.
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Since the financial crisis of 2008 & covid shock induced equity fall in 2020, the S&P 500 bounceback has been the investors choice, saying that it is currently down 17 % year to date....on that basis, how bad can a TCR be as an investment? :)
If you want a relatively mainstream car like a Golf edition to hold or even increase in value it needs to be the correct (desirable) spec, well serviced and low (ish) mileage.
It helps if you use other cars to keep the mileage down, in some regards, you are keeping it prime for the next new owner to enjoy, but you may not lose much or even gain depending on the car with consideration to the state of the economy & regulation.
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I’ve been considering a TCR. But to use the word investment and car in the same sentence made me smile. “Holding it’s value” or “lower depreciation “ would make more sense but an investment it is not.
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He's bought it anyway, car was delivered today, lovely example very clean
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He's bought it anyway, car was delivered today, lovely example very clean
Hope he enjoys it!
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He's bought it anyway, car was delivered today, lovely example very clean
Hope he enjoys it!
Me too, he drives like miss daisy so doubt it! :grin:
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He'll love it.
Had mine for 18 months and love getting into it every time.
Mines in white with the graphics and i have no intention of removing them, makes it stand out.
My spec is
Side graphics
DCC (performance pack)
Black roof,
Heated front screen (winter pack)
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I drive like I’m being chased by police 🤣 only joking, not all the time 😁
Love mine every day and only ever seen 1 other, although I saw and ED45 the other day and looked ok!
Loved mine even more after the Stage 1 😊
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I passed a TR TCR yesterday with the side graphics in Christchurch, looked great!
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I passed a TR TCR yesterday with the side graphics in Christchurch, looked great!
Was it black?
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I passed a TR TCR yesterday with the side graphics in Christchurch, looked great!
Was it black?
No, TR.