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Title: Mk2 20v T - SHELL SCRAPPED!
Post by: dubsport on 17 June 2012, 13:29
Alright guys!

Been a while since I sold the Bora but said I would be back with another project and here it is an 8v GTI shell, put a deposit down on a revo mapped AUQ engine yesterday :afro: and have a big pile of stuff sitting there to be fitted! plans are ..  new interior, 1.8T 20v , coillies, BBS RM's with big dish and stretch, full respray in black but until I can afford that its going dark satin grey, but as usual plans will most probably change!  :grin:

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j283/nhoyglun/trailer.jpg)

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j283/nhoyglun/traiiiler.jpg)

Rate/slate  :evil:
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: andynorfolk on 17 June 2012, 17:33
rate!
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: jnufcuk on 17 June 2012, 17:54
Not another one :( really want to do one, annoys me seeing everyone else do one when I don't have a clue where to strt with a conversion  :grin:

Look forward to seeing this evolve, sounds like it will turn out great  :cool:
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: Dave_IOW on 17 June 2012, 18:06
Not another one :( really want to do one, annoys me seeing everyone else do one when I don't have a clue where to strt with a conversion  :grin:

Look forward to seeing this evolve, sounds like it will turn out great  :cool:

Me too   :grin:

Another white 3dr mk2 20vT, will be watching with interest  :afro:
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: jnufcuk on 17 June 2012, 18:08
All I know is to buy car, buy engine then I'm stuck  :grin:

Which is why I'm just looking to get one already done  :smiley:
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: Dave_IOW on 17 June 2012, 18:27
All I know is to buy car, buy engine then I'm stuck  :grin:

Which is why I'm just looking to get one already done  :smiley:

Not cheap, but will save baldness and grey hair!  :grin:
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: Toby on 17 June 2012, 20:03
Rate!!

Im seriously considering this rout ...  :laugh: :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: jnufcuk on 17 June 2012, 20:16
Rate!!

Im seriously considering this rout ...  :laugh: :lipsrsealed:

Hmmm your engine in a mk2   :evil:
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: dan_apps on 17 June 2012, 20:25
nice. would keep it white though myself :smiley:
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: Wayne on 17 June 2012, 20:35
Looking forward to seeing this take shape.
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: Toby on 17 June 2012, 20:41
Rate!!

Im seriously considering this rout ...  :laugh: :lipsrsealed:

Hmmm your engine in a mk2   :evil:

And more  :evil:
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: lemski on 17 June 2012, 20:52
Its always gd to see another 20vt mk2 being built. Ill be watching see if you do owt different to me
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: dubsport on 17 June 2012, 20:59
My girlfriend offered to help me today, enjoyed herself so much she is coming over to help me again tomorrow :afro: got the headlining out and repaires the cracks hoovered the old glue off, removed the knakered dash speakers and took all the old stickers off the windows. My girlfriend has persuaded me to get it resprayed white ;) going to recover the headlining suede tomorrow and put some pics up :)
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: Dave_IOW on 17 June 2012, 22:00
Will be doing my headlining soon, was going to spray it, but seen a few decent results from the mk4 lot that have retrimmed so will have a re-think if it comes out well  :smiley:
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: Wazzzer on 17 June 2012, 22:21
get the material and I'll help you with it dude :wink:

Might even be able to do it in my parents garage again
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: Dave_IOW on 17 June 2012, 22:48
get the material and I'll help you with it dude :wink:

Might even be able to do it in my parents garage again

Sounds good, i'll get ebaying  :laugh:
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: Wazzzer on 17 June 2012, 22:49
make sure you get good glue lol
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: dubsport on 18 June 2012, 10:05
nice. would keep it white though myself :smiley:

Yeah will be dude, will contrast well against the gti trim when its proper black again  :evil:
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: scottv6 on 18 June 2012, 19:39
cant wait to see how this pans out, if its anything like the bora itl be awsome.
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: F17BAD on 18 June 2012, 19:46
Yeah sounds a good project  :cool:
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: dubsport on 18 June 2012, 21:40
cant wait to see how this pans out, if its anything like the bora itl be awsome.

Cheers bud! Yeah hopefully should be better then the bora, doing 15hours overtime this week to get some money together for some parts. Making sure everything gets done properly  :evil:
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: Dave_IOW on 18 June 2012, 21:47
Decided what box, shafts and everything else your using yet, engine mounts etc?
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: dubsport on 19 June 2012, 19:10
Oh god I don’t know mate I keep reading up about what box, transmission etc, getting confused, the cold sweats and assuming the foetal position  :laugh:

Will be selling the 6 speed box thats on the AUQ and probably go for standard 20v box although I read mk3 16v will fit or the diesel box if you want longer gear rations for motorway driving :undecided:? I know someone that is able to de-immobilise the ecu for me and sort out the loom so its plug in and play in the back of mk2 fuse box and will run the mk2 dash. was gonna just use the 8v gti driveshafts and looking to get mk4 engine mounts ...
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: F17BAD on 19 June 2012, 19:16
Id be fitting Mk3 GTI subrame, MK3 GTI driveshafts, MK3 16v box (and linkages unless u do what I'm doing and use mk4 linkage), ideally fit a VR6 final drive to that for top end however the 16v box is fine (currently have one in mine and iv seen a indicated 160mph)
and if money can stretch id think about a LSD too

only drawback is this will convert to 5 stud so u would need to wide track rear too

this way u can run the mk3 16V mounts etc and they will fit to the engine fine with all the mk3 16v brackets

We recently converted a mk2 GTI and this is the way we went
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: lewis1641 on 20 June 2012, 13:21
look forward to updates (and clues for when i get stuck on mine!)
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: dubsport on 20 June 2012, 15:41
Haha you're joking aint ya bud I have been reading your thread for info :D

Thanks kells will get looking for a valver being broken then ;) I understand the wide track give better handling?
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: lewis1641 on 20 June 2012, 16:49
Haha you're joking aint ya bud I have been reading your thread for info :D

christ, there's gonna be a for sale section full of unfinished 20v projects at this rate haha
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: dubsport on 10 July 2012, 13:54
Afternoon,

Not updated in a while but lots has happened, totally stripped out the interior of the car, removed all the windows, exterior trim and rubber seals and about to start prepping it for paint (although I still havent decided on a colour :undecided:) Will be picking up the mk3 16v GTI subframe, rear beam and driveshafts on saturday :afro:

Got started on stripping the engine yesterday, removed the rocker cover and inlet manifold, cleaned them, up sprayed them with high temp paint and then found some Hammerite hammered effect paint kicking about so painted them with that and it looks pretty awesome to be honest so im happy :afro: was'nt going to bother with tarting the bay up this time but no matter how many times I say it I always do. Basically going to replace all the rubber pipe work with black silicone ones as most have perished, everything in the engine bay is going to be black appart from the polished fuel rail :evil:

here is how I got one  :smiley:

(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4904/p1030308.png)

(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/3913/p1030309.png)

(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9303/p1030313.png)

(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6424/p1030314.png)

(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/6534/p1030300.png)

(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8175/p1030301.png)

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j283/nhoyglun/P1030061.jpg)

Totally forgot I still had this carbon fibre engine cover, should look cool against the other bits in the bay :cool:

(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7650/p1030305.png)
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: F17BAD on 10 July 2012, 18:16
that black hammered finish looks cool as a mo fo   :cool:
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: LazyLunatic on 10 July 2012, 21:25
Nice project dude, x2 on the hammerite :D

In terms of 02A boxes. I had a 16v box before and it lit up the wheels first 3 gears and got to 140 pretty quick.

Now I have the ASD diesel box, and it does make the car a little slower due to longer gears but I get traction in the wet when I floor it in 2nd. However its basically a 4 speed; max out 4th, jumping into 5th makes no difference, revs and speed stays the same. So box is too long/not enough power. But cruising in 5th at 80, its quiet, revs sit at 3k and I fetch 45mpg :cool:

So if you want more fun and to race around, go for the shorter ratio 02A. If you want a bit more refinement then go for the diesel box.

I will add, this is with 230-240bhp and I would think with the extra 50bhp I'd see from hybrid'ing my K03s (its on the list :D ), it would be a nice match with the diesel box.
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: BISSONE on 10 July 2012, 23:17
Regarding swaping out your rear beam for a MK3 item be aware if its a GTI item that come from a car with ABS its not gunna have rear load compensator and may have to modify it to work with the MK2 item already fitted, Also and im sure ill get hissed at for this but iv looked at the supposed "rear beam wide track" and after looking on the web theres alot of controversy As to whether the MK3 item is any wider so be interested if you could measure yours and the new 1 and post the measurements. Might be worth checking it cus if they are same no point swapping.
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: lemski on 11 July 2012, 09:24
Its wider on the back end. Running 195 50 15s mine use to scrub b4 I rolled the arches. Yet my previous mk2 on the same size tyres n offset didn't scrub.
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: LazyLunatic on 11 July 2012, 10:16
 Wouldn't worry about load compensator, I scraped mine and no problems.
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: dubsport on 23 July 2012, 21:22
Wagwan!

thought id chuck some pics up of the progress, rear beam + driveshafts primed will hopefully get them painted black tomorrow if im not too late home from the gym  :smiley: should hopefully get the subframe touched up to. I know its going on the underneath of the car but hey if i run someone over at least the have something pretty to look at  :wink:

the rear beam wasnt really rusty as you can see in the 1st pic but i thought as its already off rude not to clean it up a bit and paint it!

(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4448/dsc08316.png)

(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/4617/dsc08323.png)

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Turned 24 at the weekend, my gf bought me a 3 drawer tool chest and socket set, and my parents / her parents got me some other sets. Hopefully got everything I need :afro: dont need to keep knicking my old mans now haha.

(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8038/dsc08335.png)

Also bought some 15" splits, plan is seperate them get the dishes powdercoated chrome, centres anthracite and new polished bolts. Hoping i can get bigger dishes for them but doubt it ...

(http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/1198/dsc08337.png)

Wouldn't worry about load compensator, I scraped mine and no problems.

Awesome I took mine off with a hack saw! :grin: the mk2 doesnt have one so shouldnt need to be there?  :undecided:

Title: Re: mk2 20v Turbo, standard.
Post by: dubsport on 24 July 2012, 18:25
... painted :afro:

(http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/535/paintedc.png)

(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6246/subframepaintedblack.png)

(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8098/subframepainted.png)
Title: Re: Mk2 GTI to 20v 1.8T project!
Post by: Diamond Hell on 25 July 2012, 00:07
Wouldn't worry about load compensator, I scrapped mine and no problems.

I would regard this as a particularly poor steer.

Without a compensator if you don't have any fat birds in the back, then the rears will lock before the fronts, which is NEVER a good look.

It's there for a reason and that reason ain't love.
Title: Re: Old cars suck.
Post by: LazyLunatic on 25 July 2012, 00:10
Yes mate, like it! Bit of DIY refurbing ;)

Great bday presents too :D

Wouldn't worry about load compensator, I scrapped mine and no problems.

I would regard this as a particularly poor steer.

Without a compensator if you don't have any fat birds in the back, then the rears will lock before the fronts, which is NEVER a good look.

It's there for a reason and that reason ain't love.

Its been like it for years and I have no weight in the back and the rears don't lock before the fronts, I've had no scary braking issues! I'd say its more important side to side balance!
Title: Re: Old cars suck.
Post by: Diamond Hell on 25 July 2012, 11:49
Its been like it for years and I have no weight in the back and the rears don't lock before the fronts, I've had no scary braking issues! I'd say its more important side to side balance!

Sounds like you drive like a pussy then, nip.  :tongue:  :grin:

Seriously - to be properly balanced front to back you need either a manual pressure reduction valve, or an automatic compensator.

Side to side balance should be there anyway, as the pressure from side to side should be the same at all times.
Title: Re: Old cars suck.
Post by: dubsport on 25 July 2012, 12:55
I drive like an old lady so should be alright :lol:

I'm not having anything in the back of the car, seats etc how come the mk2 rear beam doesn't have a compensator? 
Title: Re: Old cars suck.
Post by: The Doc on 25 July 2012, 13:04
"Old cars suck" Yes, they do.
Title: Re: Old cars suck.
Post by: Diamond Hell on 25 July 2012, 13:50
I'm not having anything in the back of the car, seats etc how come the mk2 rear beam doesn't have a compensator? 

What was it out of?  GTI?  The compensator should be mounted to the underside of the car, with a bracket on the rear beam, which operates the compensator, so it would never have been on the beam (same as a Golf3).

I know guys with tracked Golf2s who have static pressure reducer fittings in their brake lines AS WELL as an adjustable valve, because you need to reduce the force so much on the back of a 2WD G2, because it's so light.... and you're talking about taking more stuff out of the back of the car...

On my Syncro it's a different situation because when you brake the viscous coupling locks up, so it transfers the braking effort to the rear wheels, effectively.  Sounds odd, I know.  When I re-wired my braking circuits to single line to the rear I had to turn the pressure right down on my rear brakes to stop them blue-ing up and doing too much work within the overall braking system. 

Brake balance front to back has a BIG effect on stability under retardation.
Title: Re: Old cars suck.
Post by: SoundillusioN on 26 July 2012, 01:01
I drive like an old lady so should be alright :lol:

I'm not having anything in the back of the car, seats etc how come the mk2 rear beam doesn't have a compensator? 

Hence the reason to have a compensator.  To get away without, you could always put the car back to standard and always roll on your own.
Title: Re: Old cars suck.
Post by: dubsport on 26 July 2012, 07:33
But the rear beam on my mk2 golf doesn't have a compensator? So why do I need to keep the one on the mk3 rear beam?
Title: Re: Old cars suck.
Post by: Diamond Hell on 26 July 2012, 09:44
But the rear beam on my mk2 golf doesn't have a compensator? So why do I need to keep the one on the mk3 rear beam?

Didn't you read my response?

Unless the car started out as a 1.3 there would have been a compensator fitted.  They were fitted to everything over a 1.6 Driver IIRC.  If the brackets are there and the compensator has been removed that's some pikey old car MOT fix. 
Title: Re: Mk2 20v T slowly getting there
Post by: dubsport on 05 August 2012, 17:12
Yeah sorry DH mate I didnt see your reply when I posted mine had another look and the mk2 has a compensator, totally different design to the mk3 one tho, would you recommend swapping the mk2 compensator over to the mk3 beam? :smiley: Didnt realise it would be so dangerous to run the car without one, but if my gf is gonna be going out in the car too i better have one fitted!!

Started stripping the paint off the rims, removed the bolts and got on with the nitromors, evil .. evil stuff   :grin:

(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5391/nitromoooooooors.png)

After tripping balls off nitromors fumes, and some scrubbing with wire wool the first one looks like this   :smiley:

(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9199/stripped.png)

(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9448/fitted.png)

Just got to decide on a colour for the centers now, was thinking neon pink with polished dishes but might play it safe and get them powdercoated black or white with gold bolts :? Any way should have checked over the alloys better when i picked them up as i noticed one of the has a cracked spoke  :angry: can this be repaired? Also does anyone know if i can get wider dishes for these alloys? they are 15x6.5J Enkei RS, have 40 bolt holes. Would prefer them with some bigger dish!

(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/3675/crackedn.png)

(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/586/cracked2.png)

Gave all the plastic trims the heat gun treatment and then meguiars tyre gel brings them up so well they are really black again. Here is a pic of the front bumper with the new indicators!  :cool:

(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/636/bumperm.png)

Also the boot lid on the car is totally rotten, so picked one up from spuddy, literally has no rust at alllooks like new  :smiley:

(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/3923/bootj.png)

Havent done much else lately as i have been working a crazy amount but i hope to get some of the welding done this week, paint the inner arches with black hammerite, convert it to wide track and get the coillies fitted, maybe  :grin:

a cool pic of how she stands at the moment  :)

(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3043/mk2p.png)
Title: Re: Mk2 20v T slowly getting there
Post by: dubsport on 05 August 2012, 20:54
Forgot to mention that my JOM coillies turned up :afro: going to order some G60 top mounts and some new ARB drop links sometime this week  :cool:
Title: Re: Mk2 20v T slowly getting there
Post by: dubsport on 06 September 2012, 20:51
Been a while since I updated this! I removed the front wings and found that the inner arches had alot of rust, especially where the bonnet hinges bolt on, there was literally 1 bolt holding the bonnet in place  :shocked: I knew there was alot of rust around the petrol flap but turned out to be worse then I thought when I stuck my finger through it :huh: three big holes in the floor where the body work round the drainage plugs had rotted away, rust near the door shut on the nearside both front wings needed replacing due to rust and dents and pretty much every panel had a dint or two so to cut a long story short it was too much....well, more work then I wanted to take on so this happened...

(http://www.flickr.com/photos/86318925@N08/7945239266/)

It is now flat as a pancake in a metal salvage yard! My girlfriend has some pics on her camera of it on the high ab and then a 2 tonne metal weight being dropped on it, I will try and uploaded them over the weekend. So to all you mk2 golf owners, you are welcome, your car just got that bit rarer! :afro:

Title: Re: Mk2 20v T - SHELL SCRAPPED!
Post by: sharki786 on 06 September 2012, 23:07
thats a shame was starting to get interesting. oh well more metal to be found and fingered with :wink:
Title: Re: Mk2 20v T - SHELL SCRAPPED!
Post by: Lewy on 07 September 2012, 07:20
If you need a clean shell to start again, my mate has one near Peterborough.
Title: Re: Mk2 20v T - SHELL SCRAPPED!
Post by: SoundillusioN on 07 September 2012, 10:38
Shame...

Hope you find a decent shell again quickly.

Title: Re: Mk2 20v T - SHELL SCRAPPED!
Post by: dubsport on 07 September 2012, 13:30
Aready got one bruh!! And its a minter :laugh:
Title: Re: Mk2 20v T - SHELL SCRAPPED!
Post by: VR6_Wherry on 07 September 2012, 13:46
Aready got one bruh!! And its a minter :laugh:

Me likes this!

Thanks to you my nexr car WILL be a 1.8T black Bora! :grin:
Title: Re: Mk2 20v T - SHELL SCRAPPED!
Post by: dubsport on 07 September 2012, 20:03
Good lad! Really miss my bora, saw it being broken for spares on ebay as the person opnly wanted the engine!  :sick: