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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: richw911 on 20 October 2008, 20:39
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First question what oil do you use in your 1.8T?
Ive done lots of research and VW audi recommend fully synthetic 5W -30 oil.
Now ive been into my dealers Twice in the past and asked " What oil shoud i top up with please"
On both occasions i gave my reg number and was told " Castrol magnatec 10w 40 sir "
Now then EVERYONE except the dealers are saying to use fully synthetic 5W -30 oil in the 1.8T I even put this in the service thread:
Weak spot:
The 1.8T MUST use fully synthetic oil, and be changed at the correct service intervals, use of the wrong oil can cause the oil pump to seize causing catastrophic loss of oil pressure and engine failure.
After reading bully85@s thread "my agu is dead help" i am concerned that some of us may be using the wrong oil.
So what do you use and what does your dealer tell you to use?
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Last change, mine received 5W 30, and since, it's been very economical.
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Actually I think even Opie reccommended 10w 40, I've always wondered myself what to put in, but seeing a few others using 5w 30, I put that in as it's what I had, fully synthetic. Just wanted to give it a service as it looked as though the dealer lied that it actually had a service.
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Actually I think even Opie reccommended 10w 40, I've always wondered myself what to put in, but seeing a few others using 5w 30, I put that in as it's what I had, fully synthetic. Just wanted to give it a service as it looked as though the dealer lied that it actually had a service.
From what ive found 10w 40 is totally wrong for 1.8T so why are dealers telling people this? :undecided:
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am i the only person in the world who thinks castrol magnatec actually destroys engines?
id be asking "what oil do the workshop use when servicing" then the monkey on the parts desk will have to go and ask a spanner jockey..
but get some generic aftermarket oil anything but magnatec...
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right I used Synta oil form the stealers but it doesn't tell me what grade it is on the invoice. I've got the part number if you want it to give them a shout Rich?
I've only used what I was recommended by my local place...
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am i the only person in the world who thinks castrol magnatec actually destroys engines?
id be asking "what oil do the workshop use when servicing" then the monkey on the parts desk will have to go and ask a spanner jockey..
but get some generic aftermarket oil anything but magnatec...
Indeed i did ask to speak to someone who knows and a vw mechanic came and spoke to me and agreed 10w40 :undecided:
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am i the only person in the world who thinks castrol magnatec actually destroys engines?
Yeah, more than likely.
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right I used Synta oil form the stealers but it doesn't tell me what grade it is on the invoice. I've got the part number if you want it to give them a shout Rich?
I've only used what I was recommended by my local place...
Yes please go for it wazzzer :afro:
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okie dokie part number is VZGB 115 QLB 00 406 :cool:
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okie dokie part number is VZGB 115 QLB 00 406 :cool:
Thanks bud i shall check this out when i get chance :wink: :cool:
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am i the only person in the world who thinks castrol magnatec actually destroys engines?
Yeah, more than likely.
its not unfounded:-
latest addition to the dub family mk2vr6 was advertised as a smoker, apparent stem seals, changed oil to aftermarket 10w40 3000 miles on no oil use..
when the oil was introduced years ago, brend new (recon actually) engine in my 205xs - 500 miles on magnatec and it was tapping like riverdance, changed back to a generic 10w40 and again silent engine...
saxo VTR first service 10K, used this stuff again, slight tapping again.. went to some comma 10w40 and a nice silent - but crap engine... (reasoning behind doing a DIY service was i imprted it from belgium personally and only has 12mth warranty)
just my personal preference i suppose but id put any premium motor factors brand in over that any day
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Its good to get all feedback pro-biotic :afro:
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Ive done lots of research and VW audi recommend fully synthetic 5W -30 oil.
Now ive been into my dealers Twice in the past and asked " What oil shoud i top up with please"
On both occasions i gave my reg number and was told " Castrol magnatec 10w 40 sir "
Bit confused. Surely the dealer, and VW Audi, are the same thing?
Rich, have you always used 5w-30?
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I've used magnatec on many cars for years, no problems to report. I hardly think years of research into oil, that they're going to let an oil ruin cars.
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Ive done lots of research and VW audi recommend fully synthetic 5W -30 oil.
Now ive been into my dealers Twice in the past and asked " What oil shoud i top up with please"
On both occasions i gave my reg number and was told " Castrol magnatec 10w 40 sir "
Bit confused. Surely the dealer, and VW Audi, are the same thing?
Rich, have you always used 5w-30?
When i said "VW audi recommend fully synthetic 5W -30 oil" this is info i have got from the internet and a few other sources.
When i went in to my local VW dealer thay told me "Castrol magnatec 10w 40"
I have used whatever vw changed mine with when being seviced by them.
I have used 10w40 to top aswell.
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i just have tuned ears mate, i dont like the way they say it coats internals with some sort of teflon or spunk or summat... i have personally linked the effects to this..
by VW/audi he means manufacturer
by dealer he means dealer...
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So everyone seems to be using 10-40. Does seem weird as that's the same oil I used in my old C2, which didn't have a turbo or anything.
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Fully Synth Synta Gold from the stealers, FTW! :afro: Reasonably priced, & also what they use in my car - When I had a service once, they left the half of a bottle they didn't use in my car! 8)
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http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/210451/1359418.aspx#1359418 :undecided:
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0W-40 eh?
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Fully Synth Synta Gold from the stealers, FTW! :afro: Reasonably priced, & also what they use in my car - When I had a service once, they left the half of a bottle they didn't use in my car! 8)
Agree with this 110%. Synta Gold fully synth 5w40. Have had quotes for oil change from companys that have very good reputations for tuning and maintaining both standard and 300+ golfs, and all recommend this. It's what I'll be putting in mine anyway :wink:
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Not Halfords own brand? :huh:
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Not Halfords own brand? :huh:
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Tesco value engine oil..... :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Not Halfords own brand? :huh:
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There we go £30, job done...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Genuine-Seat-Quantum-Synta-Gold-5L_W0QQitemZ370085951938QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item370085951938&_trkparms=72%3A1301%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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Mobil 1 is a quality oil, Rich, I used to use it on the 306 when I got if free at BMW, but I don't see the point of paying the extra for it, now, as I've had no problems (touch-wood) from using Synta Gold for the last 3.5 years on the Golf. :afro:
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Never heard of Synta Golf in my life!
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Mobil 1 is a quality oil, Rich, I used to use it on the 306 when I got if free at BMW, but I don't see the point of paying the extra for it, now, as I've had no problems (touch-wood) from using Synta Gold for the last 3.5 years on the Golf. :afro:
Ok cool thanks ivor :afro:
How much is it from VW? or dont you get it fro VW? :smiley:
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ps PMSL @ Tesco Value Oil!!! :grin: You may as well use sunflower oil, LOL! :laugh:
I saw this on the shelf the other week, & my face just cringed at thought of people sticking that in their engines!!
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Mobil 1 is a quality oil, Rich, I used to use it on the 306 when I got if free at BMW, but I don't see the point of paying the extra for it, now, as I've had no problems (touch-wood) from using Synta Gold for the last 3.5 years on the Golf. :afro:
Ok cool thanks ivor :afro:
How much is it from VW? or dont you get it fro VW? :smiley:
I've only ever bought 1 ltr top-up's (when I had the knackered KO3), TBH, I think that was £5.50ish?? :undecided:
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Mobil 1 is a quality oil, Rich, I used to use it on the 306 when I got if free at BMW, but I don't see the point of paying the extra for it, now, as I've had no problems (touch-wood) from using Synta Gold for the last 3.5 years on the Golf. :afro:
Ok cool thanks ivor :afro:
How much is it from VW? or dont you get it fro VW? :smiley:
I've only ever bought 1 ltr top-up's (when I had the knackered KO3), TBH, I think that was £5.50ish?? :undecided:
Ok thanks bud :afro:
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So what oil are you gonna go with Rich?
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So what oil are you gonna go with Rich?
Synta Gold fully synth 5w40 i think. As said VW stock it.
Wonder what VW will say to you bob........ :rolleyes:
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I don't hold much faith in them, awful dealership!
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just to throw something in - this is from TT
Stick with any of the VW specified oils from the major manufacturers (Castrol, Shell, Elf, Motul, Fuchs), but avoid Mobil 1 (because they lie about their VW approval), Comma, Millers, and the other smaller manufacturers.
Any good?
wouldn't touch Mobil 1 i'm afraid!
not a 1.8T but i've used Fuchs oil in mine at the last service and everything seems ok so far :smiley:
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Use 5W 30 Fully Synthetic in mine!
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am i the only person in the world who thinks castrol magnatec actually destroys engines?
Yeah, more than likely.
its not unfounded:-
latest addition to the dub family mk2vr6 was advertised as a smoker, apparent stem seals, changed oil to aftermarket 10w40 3000 miles on no oil use..
when the oil was introduced years ago, brend new (recon actually) engine in my 205xs - 500 miles on magnatec and it was tapping like riverdance, changed back to a generic 10w40 and again silent engine...
saxo VTR first service 10K, used this stuff again, slight tapping again.. went to some comma 10w40 and a nice silent - but crap engine... (reasoning behind doing a DIY service was i imprted it from belgium personally and only has 12mth warranty)
just my personal preference i suppose but id put any premium motor factors brand in over that any day
If it's not unfounded, do you have technical proof that it is castrol that caused this and also the legal backing to suggest such a statement?
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just to throw something in - this is from TT
Stick with any of the VW specified oils from the major manufacturers (Castrol, Shell, Elf, Motul, Fuchs), but avoid Mobil 1 (because they lie about their VW approval), Comma, Millers, and the other smaller manufacturers.
Any good?
wouldn't touch Mobil 1 i'm afraid!
not a 1.8T but i've used Fuchs oil in mine at the last service and everything seems ok so far :smiley:
Is Fuchs from the dealers aswell bud?
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just to throw something in - this is from TT
Stick with any of the VW specified oils from the major manufacturers (Castrol, Shell, Elf, Motul, Fuchs), but avoid Mobil 1 (because they lie about their VW approval), Comma, Millers, and the other smaller manufacturers.
Any good?
wouldn't touch Mobil 1 i'm afraid!
not a 1.8T but i've used Fuchs oil in mine at the last service and everything seems ok so far :smiley:
Is Fuchs from the dealers aswell bud?
not sure mate - seen somewhere there is speculation that Fuchs is factory fill stuff :undecided:
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that will prob be the same stuff as I had Rich, check the part number :smiley:
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that will prob be the same stuff as I had Rich, check the part number :smiley:
will do thanks bud :afro:
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Ivor was that the price for 5ltr,s. I use castrol edge 5w 30w which used to be castrol longlife.
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No mate. That was for the 1 Ltr top-up bottle. Give ur local VW parts dept. a bell. I think the 5 ltr is around £20-22, but I can't remember, TBH.
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ps Rich, I was speaking to Jody at Mid VW today & he was saying in the high miler cars, he switches from fully to semi-synth. (I think he said high as in cars over 100k).
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ps Rich, I was speaking to Jody at Mid VW today & he was saying in the high miler cars, he switches from fully to semi-synth. (I think he said high as in cars over 100k.
Ah yes i was thinking about this as mine has 125K now :shocked:
thanks ivor big help bud :afro:
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Not a problem, mate. :cool:
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Rich, have you tried this stuff? Might be worth a shot?
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/bobbarley/oil.jpg)
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thats some good stuff! :grin:
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Rich, have you tried this stuff? Might be worth a shot?
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/bobbarley/oil.jpg)
Only thing i would do with that - fill my oil can and use for odd jobs around the house :laugh: :grin:
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I use comma 10w-4o semi synth,the cars done 94K 18T AGU engine.Dont know what oil it had in before i got it but i tried 5W-30 fully synth and it sounded tinny,Then was told using 5W-30 oil is to thin and does something to the seals near the turbo so i changed to 10w-40 alot quieter and seems ok
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Rich, have you tried this stuff? Might be worth a shot?
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/bobbarley/oil.jpg)
20w! You'd be waiting 5 minutes for the oil to circulate at start up!
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Asda currently doing 1 litre bottles of 10w40 for £2 each.
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Asda currently doing 1 litre bottles of 10w40 for £2 each.
Please tell me your not serious??? :shocked:
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Asda currently doing 1 litre bottles of 10w40 for £2 each.
Please tell me your not serious??? :shocked:
I'm going to use it in my old Rover 25 1.1 that my gf is using. Someone here might be short of cash and need an oil change.
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My 1.8T aum got serviced 3 months ago, car had been running perfect until the service, then the next day i had complete power loss and it would go above 30mph, turns out the guy at the garage put the wrong oil in it, he used 10w-30 instead of the fully synthetic stuff, killed my turbo completely!!
stillnot got my car running properley, since the service i have bought a new manifold, a new turbo, a new oil pump, a new MAF sensor and last week my turbo seized again so look like another turbo will be on the way, so please please make sure you use the right oil, trust me you dont wanna go through all this sh*t :sick:
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what was the millage on your car mate
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Don't see any point in using cheaper oil. Most important part for the engine.
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Don't see any point in using cheaper oil. Most important part for the engine.
The man speaks the truth :afro:
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am i the only person in the world who thinks castrol magnatec actually destroys engines?
Magnatec is actually a very high quality semi-synthetic - and is considerably better than most 'so called' fully synthetics - especially those from American oil companies. Though specifically for the 1.8 turbo, I'd be more inclined to recommend Castrol Edge fully-synth. But for any non-turbo mota, Magnatec is purrrrfect.!
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okie dokie part number is VZGB 115 QLB 00 406 :cool:
Eeeek - that part number is for the Quantum Synta - a 10w40 semi-synthetic, at a tenner for 5 litres!!! But what is scary is that it has NO VAG petrol engine approval - so drain that sh!t out and put in some decent lube! :sick:
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okie dokie part number is VZGB 115 QLB 00 406 :cool:
Eeeek - that part number is for the Quantum Synta - a 10w40 semi-synthetic, at a tenner for 5 litres!!! But what is scary is that it has NO VAG petrol engine approval - so drain that sh!t out and put in some decent lube! :sick:
Isn't quantum oil made by castrol for vw? so how can it not be approved?
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i just have tuned ears mate, i dont like the way they say it coats internals with some sort of teflon or spunk or summat... i have personally linked the effects to this..
If you are referring to Castrol Magnatec, you have been clearly mis-informed. Magnatec is an exceedingly high quality semi-synthetic oil, and uses Group 5 basestocks - which in laymans terms are called 'esters'. Now anyone who knows anything about automotive engine oils will tell you that esters are THE best basestock you can get, and are very strongly recommended for very high temperatures found in turbo engines. Ester molecules are 'polarised', and like their adverts, work like a magnet - which provides superb boundary lubrication. Esters are considerably better than the Gp3 basestocks which Mobil 1 use, along with all the other Yank oil companies!
But as mentioned in my previous post - I would still recommend a fully synth for the turbo 1.8.
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http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/210451/1359418.aspx#1359418 :undecided:
Sorry, but don't agree with that, and nor do the European Union. Unfortunately, Mobil spend far more money on advertising and 'product placement' than they do on R&D. Just go to www.Grid1.tv to see.
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Mobil 1 is a quality oil, Rich, I used to use it on the 306 when I got if free at BMW, but I don't see the point of paying the extra for it, now, as I've had no problems (touch-wood) from using Synta Gold for the last 3.5 years on the Golf. :afro:
Sorry, but there are far better oils than Mobil 1. Mobil 1 is a good oil, but absolutely not the 'pinnacle of motor oils' which some of its advertising and marketing bollox would have you beleive!
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just to throw something in - this is from TT
Stick with any of the VW specified oils from the major manufacturers (Castrol, Shell, Elf, Motul, Fuchs), but avoid Mobil 1 (because they lie about their VW approval), Comma, Millers, and the other smaller manufacturers.
Any good?
wouldn't touch Mobil 1 i'm afraid!
not a 1.8T but i've used Fuchs oil in mine at the last service and everything seems ok so far :smiley:
Is Fuchs from the dealers aswell bud?
not sure mate - seen somewhere there is speculation that Fuchs is factory fill stuff :undecided:
Yup, Fuchs is factory fill. And if you have never heard of Fuchs, they also own the Silkolene brand, which is close to God-ness in motorbiking circles. Fuchs make some seriously good stuff, but sadly they don't have a particularly strong presence in the UK retail markets. However - if you have a Partco nearby, they stock Unipart oils, which are simply rebranded Fuchs oils - to the same identical specs as the 'genuine' Fuchs oils.
HTH
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I use comma 10w-4o semi synth,the cars done 94K 18T AGU engine.Dont know what oil it had in before i got it but i tried 5W-30 fully synth and it sounded tinny,Then was told using 5W-30 oil is to thin and does something to the seals near the turbo so i changed to 10w-40 alot quieter and seems ok
Sorry, but Comma are also shyte - more shyte than a sewerage works. Comma recently lost all their 'manufacturer' approvals, especially those from Caterham. Crack open that sump drain plug. :wink:
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okie dokie part number is VZGB 115 QLB 00 406 :cool:
Eeeek - that part number is for the Quantum Synta - a 10w40 semi-synthetic, at a tenner for 5 litres!!! But what is scary is that it has NO VAG petrol engine approval - so drain that sh!t out and put in some decent lube! :sick:
Isn't quantum oil made by castrol for vw? so how can it not be approved?
Yes, you are correct in that Quantum oils are made by Castrol - but only for Volkswagen UK - but NOT Volkswagen AG (who are the ones who grant the approvals). Go over to Germany, pop into a Dub stealer, and ask 'em for some Quantum - and they won't have the foggiest clue what you are after. Why do you think that all Quantum stuff has a 'ZGB' part number? They are simply UK specific products. Official Volkswagen lubricants always start with a 'G'. :wink:
And whilst Castrol do make it for VW UK, they are NOT the same blends and brews as either the Castrol 'trade' ranges (Castrol Powerflow), or the Castrol 'retail' ranges (GTX, Magnatec, EDGE).
Finally, in order for an oil to gain an official Volkswagen approval, the oil MUST be submitted to Volkswagen AG for their own in-house formal testing procedure - and whilst some Quantum brews have official VW approvals, not all do, and the last time I checked, neither the new Platinum, nor their LongLife 3 had! Oil companies can NOT 'self-certify' Volkswagen oil standards, unlike they can with API and ACEA standards - yet some do - and Mobil are the worst for this. For a definative and up to date official list of all VW standards approvals, log on to www.ErWin.Volkswagen.de - you will need to set up a free account before you can download them - but when you do, grab a bottle of say Mobil 1, read what they claim on the reverse of their bottle, and see if they match the official approvals - you will shake your head in disgust! :sick:
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So are you saying that all vw uk dealers shouldn't be using quantum oils in their workshops? :shocked:
And what about fuchs oils, sold be GSF, what is the quality like?
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So are you saying that all vw uk dealers shouldn't be using quantum oils in their workshops? :shocked:
Yup! Quantum oils (along with all their other products) should NEVER be used by any official VW/Audi/Seat/Skoda workshop. Quantum stuff is primarily meant to be used by the independent motor trade.
I'm sure you'd be mighty pi$$ed off if a VW garage used a Halfrauds oil filter, or some Quinton Hazel brake pads - and Quantum is no different - Quantum are NOT 'Volkswagen Genuine Parts' or 'Volkswagen Original Teile' - and so should NOT be used in a Volkswagen Group workshop!
And what about fuchs oils, sold be GSF, what is the quality like?
Fuchs is an OEM oil, just like Castrol - and Fuchs stuff is superb, so no probs there.
Just for the record, the top three oil companies, in the world (in terms of 'quality' of oils, and in no order of preference) are Fuchs, Castrol and Motul. So any correctly approved oil from those three is superb.
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So are you saying that all vw uk dealers shouldn't be using quantum oils in their workshops? :shocked:
Yup! Quantum oils (along with all their other products) should NEVER be used by any official VW/Audi/Seat/Skoda workshop. Quantum stuff is primarily meant to be used by the independent motor trade.
I'm sure you'd be mighty pi$$ed off if a VW garage used a Halfrauds oil filter, or some Quinton Hazel brake pads - and Quantum is no different - Quantum are NOT 'Volkswagen Genuine Parts' or 'Volkswagen Original Teile' - and so should NOT be used in a Volkswagen Group workshop!
And what about fuchs oils, sold be GSF, what is the quality like?
Fuchs is an OEM oil, just like Castrol - and Fuchs stuff is superb, so no probs there.
Just for the record, the top three oil companies, in the world (in terms of 'quality' of oils, and in no order of preference) are Fuchs, Castrol and Motul. So any correctly approved oil from those three is superb.
I always used quantum oil up to recent years with no problems, until GSF stopped doing it.
GSF started stocking Fuchs, which what i have used for a few years, so i'm glad its good :smiley:
As for the quantum, i don't know if agree with you about the quality, however you certainly have got me thinking about it!!
Not that its relevant anymore, as i use the Fuchs.
I'll check out all your info and links when i get some more spare time.
Thanks for the info :smiley:
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oilman will be the one to talk to about all this, is he a member on here?
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oilman will be the one to talk to about all this, is he a member on here?
He's a regular on 306gti6.com, but I'm sure he's only going to push his own oils! ;)
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So are you saying that all vw uk dealers shouldn't be using quantum oils in their workshops? :shocked:
Yup! Quantum oils (along with all their other products) should NEVER be used by any official VW/Audi/Seat/Skoda workshop. Quantum stuff is primarily meant to be used by the independent motor trade.
I'm sure you'd be mighty pi$$ed off if a VW garage used a Halfrauds oil filter, or some Quinton Hazel brake pads - and Quantum is no different - Quantum are NOT 'Volkswagen Genuine Parts' or 'Volkswagen Original Teile' - and so should NOT be used in a Volkswagen Group workshop!
And what about fuchs oils, sold be GSF, what is the quality like?
Fuchs is an OEM oil, just like Castrol - and Fuchs stuff is superb, so no probs there.
Just for the record, the top three oil companies, in the world (in terms of 'quality' of oils, and in no order of preference) are Fuchs, Castrol and Motul. So any correctly approved oil from those three is superb.
I always used quantum oil up to recent years with no problems, until GSF stopped doing it.
GSF started stocking Fuchs, which what i have used for a few years, so i'm glad its good :smiley:
As for the quantum, i don't know if agree with you about the quality, however you certainly have got me thinking about it!!
Not that its relevant anymore, as i use the Fuchs.
I'll check out all your info and links when i get some more spare time.
Thanks for the info :smiley:
I'm not saying Quantum is rubbish, because it isn't. The simple fact that it is made by Castrol should be of reasurance. But it ain't the same as the top-spec officially branded Castrol brews, and like I said, is not approved by VW in Wolfsburg.
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So are you saying that all vw uk dealers shouldn't be using quantum oils in their workshops? :shocked:
Yup! Quantum oils (along with all their other products) should NEVER be used by any official VW/Audi/Seat/Skoda workshop. Quantum stuff is primarily meant to be used by the independent motor trade.
I'm sure you'd be mighty pi$$ed off if a VW garage used a Halfrauds oil filter, or some Quinton Hazel brake pads - and Quantum is no different - Quantum are NOT 'Volkswagen Genuine Parts' or 'Volkswagen Original Teile' - and so should NOT be used in a Volkswagen Group workshop!
And what about fuchs oils, sold be GSF, what is the quality like?
Fuchs is an OEM oil, just like Castrol - and Fuchs stuff is superb, so no probs there.
Just for the record, the top three oil companies, in the world (in terms of 'quality' of oils, and in no order of preference) are Fuchs, Castrol and Motul. So any correctly approved oil from those three is superb.
I always used quantum oil up to recent years with no problems, until GSF stopped doing it.
GSF started stocking Fuchs, which what i have used for a few years, so i'm glad its good :smiley:
As for the quantum, i don't know if agree with you about the quality, however you certainly have got me thinking about it!!
Not that its relevant anymore, as i use the Fuchs.
I'll check out all your info and links when i get some more spare time.
Thanks for the info :smiley:
I'm not saying Quantum is rubbish, because it isn't. The simple fact that it is made by Castrol should be of reasurance. But it ain't the same as the top-spec officially branded Castrol brews, and like I said, is not approved by VW in Wolfsburg.
Thats what i thought, quantum being made by castrol meaning it must be ok :grin:
My dad has a 2001 Audi Quattro 1.8T engine code AVJ, i'm using fuchs 5w40 in it, is that ok?
or should i be using long life? the car doesn't get a very hard life! :grin:
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Sorry forgot to mention, its on fixed servicing.
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snippage . . .
My dad has a 2001 Audi Quattro 1.8T engine code AVJ, i'm using fuchs 5w40 in it, is that ok?
or should i be using long life? the car doesn't get a very hard life! :grin:
Which Fuchs?
Anyway, both their Titan 5w40s are semi-synthetic - so not really good enough for a turbo engine. Even if he drives it like a grandad - he can't change the temperature of the exhaust gasses, which spin the turbo. :smug:
I'd personally recommend Fuchs fully synthetic - either Fuchs Titan GT1 LongLife III, or Fuchs Titan GT1 Pro C-3 - both of which are approved to 504.00/507.00. The Pro C-3 should be OK if the catalyst and emissions are perfect, but it they are getting a little tired, then you really need the LongLife III, because it is a low SAPS (meaning it burns much cleaner) and wont mess up the emissions. Or if you are on the T&D schedule, and are happy with a 502.00 oil, then the Fuchs Titan GT1 will be perfect - and it also has low SAPS, which is very unusual for a non-LongLife oil, so handy when emissions could be a concern. All three of these are 5w30 - which will give slightly better fuel economy than your current 5w40. But these three, being quite 'technically advanced' oils, will prolly be expensive.
Some other alternatives (providing emissions are spot on):
Fuchs Titan SuperSyn LongLife 5w30 - meets 502.00, 503.01 (meaning it is specifically for very high performance engines) and 505.00 (for non-PD oil burners) - this is really good sh!t, but prolly too good for the olds.
Fuchs Titan SuperSyn 0w30 - same approvals as above, but slightly better fuel economy. Porsche like this brew. :wink:
Fuchs Titan SuperSyn LongLife Plus 0w30 - meets 503.00, 506.01 - the earlier LongLife2 oil - still an excellent oil - but may have issues with needing to top up more frequently than a 5w30. Superb for PD diesels on LL. Great fuel economy.
Some food for thought - HTH :smiley:
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Cheers for that.
I think the oil was fully synthetic, maybe it was 5w30.
I'll check at some point :smiley:
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would i best be putting in some casterol egde fully synthetic in my 1.8t. its done 110k now, im very confused about this oil buisness :undecided: Why is nothing ever simple :evil:
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im @68k miles and running castol magnetec f synth 5w30 bit expensive but well worth it i think as i have a halford trade card ;) oh and a vw dealer one to
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Well after reading the whole thread I am still confused.
What about this stuff ? Fully Syth 5w 40
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Volkswagen_Golf_1.8_2000/p/Car-Parts/Lubricants-and-Fluids/Lubricants-and-Fluids/Engine-Oil/?521771271&1&2419765db2b2e2d8ae6aa9c9433d1f19fe376121&EOLU
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Well after reading the whole thread I am still confused.
What about this stuff ? Fully Syth 5w 40
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Volkswagen_Golf_1.8_2000/p/Car-Parts/Lubricants-and-Fluids/Lubricants-and-Fluids/Engine-Oil/?521771271&1&2419765db2b2e2d8ae6aa9c9433d1f19fe376121&EOLU
Back in a 1.8t then?
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Sure am, got bored not having a car and really missed my old one so though fook it. This one needs a damn good service though so need to know what do put in it. Only done 67k miles.
What do you think on the oil ? AGU engine code.
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Sure am, got bored not having a car and really missed my old one so though fook it. This one needs a damn good service though so need to know what do put in it. Only done 67k miles.
What do you think on the oil ? AGU engine code.
VW told me to get 10/40 but I'd go with 5w30 IIRC.
I've been helping out with a few jobs on your old car ;)
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Got 10-40 in mine and never had a problem
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I've got to go to Vw tomorrow so I may ask them again.
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Really what you been up to with it ?
I was going to go down the route of a small runabout but did not like any I saw, then I found this one. Really like dmy old one and was sad to sell it :sad:
I really need to know this asap, in fact I am going to ring VW now.
Edit : My god have I accidentally rang Halfords instead, the guy on the phone is a chimpanzee.
Ok finally some idea of whats needed.
If using long life oil then 5w - 30 is recommended (fully synth), if more often changed then can use 15w - 40 plus a more expensive option is 5w - 40 (fully synth)
Think I may go with the stuff I found in this case ;)
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i've been using platinum 5w-40 from vw for the last 2 oil change ..... it seems doing the job well the price for the oil is cheap ,i do an oil change every 4 months
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i've been using platinum 5w-40 from vw for the last 2 oil change ..... it seems doing the job well the price for the oil is cheap ,i do an oil change every 4 months
How much is it out of interest ??
Edit : Just ordered the stuff I found further up, will collect today and change at the weekend I think ;)
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i've been using platinum 5w-40 from vw for the last 2 oil change ..... it seems doing the job well the price for the oil is cheap ,i do an oil change every 4 months
How much is it out of interest ??
Edit : Just ordered the stuff I found further up, will collect today and change at the weekend I think ;)
the oil cost 18.23 pound
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I use 0w 40 in mine and is perfect. mobil 1 fully syn :smiley:
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I use 0w 40 in mine and is perfect. mobil 1 fully syn :smiley:
that's very thin :sad: an an aging MK4 I'd go with 10w40
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cheers rhyso, i only serviced it 2 weeks ago, however when ive done around 2k miles i will replace with 10w 40 on your recomendation :wink: ive already done 1k mioles since service :sad: bloody fuel costs lol
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Just popped to VW to get a top up bottle of 10w40 and they don't do it anymore so had to buy 5 litres :(
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Hi guys,often wondered myself what to use,especially as my car used oil approx 1 Ltr every 600 miles,worrying times! But changed air mass sensor and used 10/40 recommended by my VW mechanic mates at VPH Services in Andover and the cars fine! Hardly top up at all now and runs great! Hope this helps,
Regards,
Mark.
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On the basis my car has done 67k I am going to go with 5w 40 fully synth, should be the best of both worlds ;)
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right i'll attempt to throw a spanner in the works ,a few months ago i did a service on a audi tt 1.8t 180bhp if memory serves me right it was arz eng code euro car parts supplied me with 5-40 fully synthetic which was about £18 for 5 litres and no problems at all
a few months later i brought my golf again 1.8t but aum engine code ordered service parts from eurocar parts again and the only oil they listed for the aum was 5-30 fully synthetic so i ordered it it came as a 4 litre can at £28 mmmmmmmm bu**er not enough oil so to save time i went to vw and the parts sold me Quantum Synta 5ltrs think it was vw 503.00 at about £20 so i used this and used the stuff from euro car parts in the wifes car i took the car to germany round the ring and back with no problems at at all think i topped up about half a litre on 6000 miles ,i now have a supply of 5-30 fully synthetic 25ltrs sitting in the garage :grin: which came foc i dropped the oil and filter a couple of weeks ago and all seems fine , so as far as reccomended eurocar parts and autodata both list 5-30 fully for the golf but why is 5-40 fully acceptable in the tt they both share the same basic block and internals so both oils should be ok i think the main thing is buy oil of a decent quality and specification and preferably a fully synthetic problems might come about if you are trying to mix synthetic with mineral oils if you are unsure then the best option would be drop oil and filter and start again at least you know where you are from then on atb andy
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very interesting post this one
well two of my local vw dealerships who have serviced my 1.8T in the past have used castrol 10w 40 oil and left me a 1litre bottle for topping up with i check my oil level every week and found after long trips of a few 100 miles motorway etc that i did have to top up a small amount ocasionally but had my last service down at r-tech and now using synta gold fully synthetic 5w 30 and tbh i have done a fair few motorway trips etc since the service and the oil level is still sat at the full mark on the dipstick :smiley: and i think the engine does run well since using the synta gold so thats good enough for me and my 1.8T
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....plus a more expensive option is 5w - 40 (fully synth)
Ever considered a motorcycle oil? Fully Synthetic 5W40 ACEA A3 API SL for £32
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_221631_langId_-1_categoryId_165507
Thoughts?
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Cheaper from the dealers mate for 5l and you know its been approved by VW!
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Cheaper from the dealers mate for 5l and you know its been approved by VW!
Which oil is cheaper from VW? Thread suggests that VW dealers are pushing the wrong oil.
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i use the synta platinum stuff and get charged 12 quid for 5L
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i use 10w 40 and never had an issue,
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I think you need to do a bit of research into this subject yourselves and not just believe what the dealers say.
5w30 is thinner when cold (first number) and thinner when hot (second number) than 10w40.
That said I think both oils suit the 1.8T, I have used 10w40 since I bought the Golf and had no problems and others have always used the 5w30 and also had no problems.
I used the 10w40 as I was recommended to by a friend who works for VW/Audi so I knew I wasn't being fed lies lol
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i use the synta platinum stuff and get charged 12 quid for 5L
£12 - where?
http://www.vwspares.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=1354 - £31 (incl vat / postage) here
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a mate of mine got hold of some castrol slx fully synthetic 5w 30 oil for my car, i then spoke to the vw who also sell it and they said its the best stuff to use, fair enough, however, this is only available in 1 litre bottles, so when i asked about a larger volume of oil, vw recommended something different, vw own oil! :rolleyes:
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Always used 5w30 so have garage when services, always used 5w30 on my Ibiza too... I'll probably use thicker 10w40 at high mileage but ont on 60k :)
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i use the synta platinum stuff and get charged 12 quid for 5L
£12 - where?
http://www.vwspares.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=1354 - £31 (incl vat / postage) here
Our VW dealer on the Isle of Wight, shouldnt be too much different from yours..
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Our VW dealer on the Isle of Wight, shouldnt be too much different from yours..
Somehow I doubt my vw dealer will be anywhere near 5L of synth for £12.
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I've really been thinking about this, I don't want to knacker my engine I'm para enough as it is lol.
But its on 144k now (AGU) and I run 5/40 fully synth quantum platinum but it's not dead quiet as such but not a rattly mess or anything..
But wonder if I should go for the 10/40 semi now and change it as often as I do anyways every 5k...
Help me decide :D
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I've really been thinking about this, I don't want to knacker my engine I'm para enough as it is lol.
But its on 144k now (AGU) and I run 5/40 fully synth quantum platinum but it's not dead quiet as such but not a rattly mess or anything..
But wonder if I should go for the 10/40 semi now and change it as often as I do anyways every 5k...
Help me decide :D
Do this thats what im doing :wink: (If you want another recommendation from me lol :grin: )
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Our VW dealer on the Isle of Wight, shouldnt be too much different from yours..
Somehow I doubt my vw dealer will be anywhere near 5L of synth for £12.
Checked VW dealer this morning - Quantum Platinum £42, Quantum Gold £68
What's your dealer selling? If I could get 5L of fully synth for £12 - I'd resell it on ebay!
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Platinum for £12, it doesnt show up on their system and get it from 10-15 pound depending whos on the till.
not sure about gold... and BLOODY HELL thats expensive :laugh:
Almost worth a trip over :laugh: :grin:
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Cheers Rich I think I will move to 10/40, the guy who had it before did run it on that for ages but I swapped to 5/40 fully synth. Can save myself some dosh aswell lol :)
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http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Volkswagen_Golf_1.8_1999/p/car-accessories/engine-oils-and-car-fluids/engineoil/10w40-engine-oil/?521771941&0&cc5_245
not a bad price? is that ok to use? im agu 130k miles :undecided:
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£14.69 ASWELL WITH 30% DISCOUNT :laugh:
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The 10/40 semi synth silver bottled quantum stuff is that much and what VW would sell you, I'd just go with that and its 5L bottles not 4 :)
http://www.vwspares.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=1137
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Our VW dealer on the Isle of Wight, shouldnt be too much different from yours..
Somehow I doubt my vw dealer will be anywhere near 5L of synth for £12.
Checked VW dealer this morning - Quantum Platinum £42, Quantum Gold £68
What's your dealer selling? If I could get 5L of fully synth for £12 - I'd resell it on ebay!
Look at the link TheDave just posted, roughly what i said it was :afro:
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That aint fully synth though mate :)
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i know, but thats what i use :wink:
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Aye, I'm gonna move back onto that stuff now my banger is getting on a bit lol
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Our VW dealer on the Isle of Wight, shouldnt be too much different from yours..
Somehow I doubt my vw dealer will be anywhere near 5L of synth for £12.
Checked VW dealer this morning - Quantum Platinum £42, Quantum Gold £68
What's your dealer selling? If I could get 5L of fully synth for £12 - I'd resell it on ebay!
Look at the link TheDave just posted, roughly what i said it was :afro:
That's semi-syth 10w40 - Turbos require 5w40 fully synthetic.
Following are suitable
http://www.vwspares.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=1354
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Volkswagen_Golf_1.8_1999/p/car-accessories/engine-oils-and-car-fluids/engineoil/5w40-engine-oil/?521771271&0&cc5_248
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Volkswagen_Golf_1.8_1999/p/car-accessories/engine-oils-and-car-fluids/engineoil/5w40-engine-oil/?521771051&0&cc5_248
Non-synthetic oil creates black sludge which can block oil pickup. Also very high temp of turbo destroys mineral oils. Semi-synthetic is not good enough.
Having said that I don't believe all synthetic oils are necessarily good enough either. I expect there are lots of unknown brands on ebay that aren't actually synthetic at all. And who knows whether it's worth paying more for one synth oil over another.
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My dealer actually recommended changing to 10W40 as my car has over a 100000 miles and a result my oil consumption has gone done, the engine is quieter and is much smoother. Lots of people on here are using this oil with no problems so I think that suggests that it is ok for turbo engines :wink:
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My dealer actually recommended changing to 10W40 as my car has over a 100000 miles and a result my oil consumption has gone done, the engine is quieter and is much smoother. Lots of people on here are using this oil with no problems so I think that suggests that it is ok for turbo engines :wink:
The 5W bit is for cold starts and if you compare 5w to 10w you'll appreciate why it would be good to stick with 5W. So a 5w40 is better than a 10w40 even for high milers on those cold starts.
As for oil leaks on high milers - it's usually recommended to move from a Xw30 to Xw40 as it's a bit thicker when warm. But vw recommend Xw40 anyway.
The important point is that the small sump capacity combined with the very high temps associated with turbos makes a synthetic oil crucial to avoid sludge build up and temp breakdown.
A semi-syth oil would only be suitable for cars that do motorway miles, never get driven hard and get changed frequently (3000 miles).
My 2000 1.8T 150 has done 145,000 miles
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i get what your saying, but synta platinum is what i will continue to use..
been fine for the last 10k 3 changes, and had bottle in boot when i bought it so presume it ran on that before.
im on 86k
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Mines done 103,000 I've worked at an independant and now a main dealer and Quantum I believe is a VW/Audi owned Oil that I believe is designed for the engine so its used quite a bit at dealer. I rung up our VAG parts delivery service which again use Quantum and they recnomended 10w/40 semi. I told them I want a decent oil as I'm anal about it and they then told me 5/40 Fully is what to buy as that's what they use on the higher maped engines eg the 180bhp engine in the TT etc but for every day use of joe bloggs their gonna just put 10/40 in aren't they. So I always use Quantum 5w/40 Fully on regular oil and filter intervals...That's what I'd reconmend. :)
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Thats what I run and I've decided to stick to it :)
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I am a Lubrication engineer and ive gone for Valvoline Max life 5-40 fully synthetic.
Its designed for higher milage cars (mine has 101000miles) and has special addatives in it "extend engine life" and seal coditioners to "reduce oil consumption".
I wanted fully synthetic as it is usually better at higher temps for the turbo.
Does it work? Who knows but my experience with Valvoline is its pretty good stuff. :smiley:
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A couple of guys where I work swear by usuing Slick 50 Oil addictive treatment when you replace 750ml of your oil change with it. I may use it next oil change due to the fact mine is a 100,000 miler lol.
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hi,after reading this thread and another one,im thinking of servicing my car and going the way of some others and using 10w40 semi and changing it more often as my car is on 138k,will this stuff be ok? cheers
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fuchs-TITAN-SYN-MC-10w-40-Semi-Synthetic-Engine-Oil-10W40-5-Litres-5L-/161040100501?pt=UK_Vehicle_Oils_Lubricants_Fluids&hash=item257ebcec95
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5w40 quantum from the dealers is only about 7quid more than that and can be had cheaper online I'd just stick with that mate.
I've used 10w40 Castrol once and wouldnt again. The car was quieter and more efficient on the quantum.
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I only ever use 5w 40
http://www.vwspares.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=1354