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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: ed30 on 07 June 2007, 16:38
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HI THERE,
Anyone on the forum ACTUALLY with an ed30 fitted with the bluefin,im more concerned about its driveability,and overall fuel consumption,
im in two minds ive read so many conflicting views.
................. IS THERE ANY HELP OUT THERE....................
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If you've searched the threads on this board, then you'll know that I'm very strongly against any of the SuperChips products, and would recommend a chip tune from either Revo, Oettinger, or MTM.
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thanks for the reply,some appear to be for superchips others agaist,ive read the vw driver report but its very vague,it just states "ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE",the only concern i have with s.chips is the bluefin came out quickly,and on the rolling road it came back with a standard run of 240bhp or therabouts,did they use an ed30,or the seat cupra,anyway thanks for your time
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If you've searched the threads on this board, then you'll know that I'm very strongly against any of the SuperChips products, and would recommend a chip tune from either Revo, Oettinger, or MTM.
Let me add B&B to that list. (If you are in Germany).
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yeah you should check out the main thread re. superchips bluefin..I have it installed and am really enjoying it! re. fuel use - just used my second full tank of fuel since having it installed, filled up with 15miles left on the range and had covered 303 miles up to that point, I do mostly town/city driving. hope that helps! :smiley:
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filled up with 15miles left on the range and had covered 303 miles up to that point
What did you get to a tank before the bluefin?
Just wondering how much its changed!
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I always fill up with roughly 15-20miles left on range, used to be on about 310-320 when I got to garage, so its not really changed much. which is nice. :smug: (bearing in mind my foot has been slightly heavier!)
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If you've searched the threads on this board, then you'll know that I'm very strongly against any of the SuperChips products, and would recommend a chip tune from either Revo, Oettinger, or MTM.
Let me add B&B to that list. (If you are in Germany).
Q: why do I keep forgetting about B&B ???
A: probably because I can't read German! :laugh:
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If you've searched the threads on this board, then you'll know that I'm very strongly against any of the SuperChips products, and would recommend a chip tune from either Revo, Oettinger, or MTM.
Let me add B&B to that list. (If you are in Germany).
Q: why do I keep forgetting about B&B ???
A: probably because I can't read German! :laugh:
well, there is a button for English on their page. It looks like the British flag. So, your excuse in unacceptable! :evil:
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If you've searched the threads on this board, then you'll know that I'm very strongly against any of the SuperChips products, and would recommend a chip tune from either Revo, Oettinger, or MTM.
Let me add B&B to that list. (If you are in Germany).
Q: why do I keep forgetting about B&B ???
A: probably because I can't read German! :laugh:
well, there is a button for English on their page. It looks like the British flag. So, your excuse in unacceptable! :evil:
Last time I looked there wasn't a translate button!
Don't suppose you can post their URL ?
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Don't suppose you can post their URL ?
Here you go:
http://www.bb-automobiltechnik.de/bb2004/index.php
COuld you do me a favour and remove that disgusting picture? :sick: :sick:
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Don't suppose you can post their URL ?
Here you go:
http://www.bb-automobiltechnik.de/bb2004/index.php
Thanks
COuld you do me a favour and remove that disgusting picture? :sick: :sick:
What pic??
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The pic of naked hairy dude in your signature.
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The pic of naked hairy dude in your signature.
....But how do you know that the pic isn't of T_T? He might take your post very personally. :grin: :wink:
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Don't suppose you can post their URL ?
Here you go:
http://www.bb-automobiltechnik.de/bb2004/index.php
Thanks
COuld you do me a favour and remove that disgusting picture? :sick: :sick:
What pic??
To be honest... it is quite disgusting. Make's me want to :sick:
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Our lass has just come in and asked me what the hell im looking at. :laugh:
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I think someone needs to get to their local beautician for a 'back, sack and crack' wax :laugh:
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ive had the bluefin fitted for a couple of weeks now. i recon its the best remap ive ever had.
fuel consumption for the weekly commute into town and around the village is still 29.5 exactly the same as it was before.
the car is very much the same until 3000rpm
from 3 to 6500 rpm its a beast,and the chassis handles it really well absolutely no torque steer.
wheel spin in the dry, in 1st is obviously going to happen and does if you want it to.
2nd gear is ok maybe a slight twitch if its going up a hill etc.
all in all the power delivery is very friendly, but man is it rapid :evil:
very simple to install, good quick delivery, cant say anything negative
anyone thinking of it, go for it you wont be dissapointed
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ive had the bluefin fitted for a couple of weeks now. i recon its the best remap ive ever had.
fuel consumption for the weekly commute into town and around the village is still 29.5 exactly the same as it was before.
the car is very much the same until 3000rpm
from 3 to 6500 rpm its a beast,and the chassis handles it really well absolutely no torque steer.
wheel spin in the dry, in 1st is obviously going to happen and does if you want it to.
2nd gear is ok maybe a slight twitch if its going up a hill etc.
all in all the power delivery is very friendly, but man is it rapid :evil:
very simple to install, good quick delivery, cant say anything negative
anyone thinking of it, go for it you wont be dissapointed
People using BLuefin, think about this:
Ed.30 has the same intercooler as normal GTI. S3, which has donated the engine to Ed.30 uses a bigger intercooler, and that only with 265hp!
And now with 300hp your engine and turbo are running quite a bunch hotter.
Maybe, for your own good, you should give some thought to a new, bigger intercooler and maybe an exhaust system with large bore downpipe.
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People using BLuefin, think about this:
Ed.30 has the same intercooler as normal GTI. S3, which has donated the engine to Ed.30 uses a bigger intercooler, and that only with 265hp!
And now with 300hp your engine and turbo are running quite a bunch hotter.
Maybe, for your own good, you should give some thought to a new, bigger intercooler and maybe an exhaust system with large bore downpipe.
....I'd like to quote Mike from Forge (USA) commenting about our stock intercoolers on the 'standard' GTI:
"The stock intercooler IS, indeed, very efficient. Given it's poor placement, however.
It is very effective at cooling the charge pressure to a given degree, but it's placement obviously leaves room for improvement.
There has been testing done, however, and I wish I had the data handy, but I don't, that shows the stock intercooler has the thermal capacity to allow charge pressure temperatures to be cooled to as low as ambient under certain conditions. This is VERY effective by ANY intercooler's standards.
If, for example, the stock intercooler, were removed from it's current placement between the radiator and AC condenser, and moved to the front of the AC condenser altogether, it's thermal efficiency would likely improve, but only to a degree.
If our kit, is used for example, and a second core is added, adding to the thermal capacity of the stock unit, it's efficiency, again improves, to a degree.
Lastly, replacing the stock unit altogether, can also provide an improvement, but again to a degree. Though I have yet to see before and after dynos of a stock replacement (stock location) unit as of yet.
By starting with a fairly efficient stock unit, you can make improvements sure, but a lot of the work has been done for you, and the stock intercooler is hardly anything to scoff at. It has even been used as an upgrade on the older 1.8T applications with great success, and it's size and thermal dispersion capacity is phenomenal as an OEM part on any comparable application"
Which I think puts into question how worthwhile a replacement intercooler (FMIC) would be. It's not as if a fast road-going Ed30 is continually subjected to the sort of heat levels experienced on the track. In my opinion.
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BMX - nice to see someone with some positive comments on the Bluefin! your comments mirror my feelings! As you mentioned it only kicks in above 3k, so it doesn't seem to make a difference on fuel consumpion..which is a bonus! But the power is there when you need it :evil: By the way I put mine back to standard map on saturday (just checking it worked!), went out for a drive and it felt...dare I say it...slow! Suppose its what you get used to! Looking forward to getting that Milltek now...
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People using BLuefin, think about this:
Ed.30 has the same intercooler as normal GTI. S3, which has donated the engine to Ed.30 uses a bigger intercooler, and that only with 265hp!
And now with 300hp your engine and turbo are running quite a bunch hotter.
Maybe, for your own good, you should give some thought to a new, bigger intercooler and maybe an exhaust system with large bore downpipe.
....I'd like to quote Mike from Forge (USA) commenting about our stock intercoolers on the 'standard' GTI:
"The stock intercooler IS, indeed, very efficient. Given it's poor placement, however.
It is very effective at cooling the charge pressure to a given degree, but it's placement obviously leaves room for improvement.
There has been testing done, however, and I wish I had the data handy, but I don't, that shows the stock intercooler has the thermal capacity to allow charge pressure temperatures to be cooled to as low as ambient under certain conditions. This is VERY effective by ANY intercooler's standards.
If, for example, the stock intercooler, were removed from it's current placement between the radiator and AC condenser, and moved to the front of the AC condenser altogether, it's thermal efficiency would likely improve, but only to a degree.
If our kit, is used for example, and a second core is added, adding to the thermal capacity of the stock unit, it's efficiency, again improves, to a degree.
Lastly, replacing the stock unit altogether, can also provide an improvement, but again to a degree. Though I have yet to see before and after dynos of a stock replacement (stock location) unit as of yet.
By starting with a fairly efficient stock unit, you can make improvements sure, but a lot of the work has been done for you, and the stock intercooler is hardly anything to scoff at. It has even been used as an upgrade on the older 1.8T applications with great success, and it's size and thermal dispersion capacity is phenomenal as an OEM part on any comparable application"
Which I think puts into question how worthwhile a replacement intercooler (FMIC) would be. It's not as if a fast road-going Ed30 is continually subjected to the sort of heat levels experienced on the track. In my opinion.
Robin, interesting observations and comments.
However, under certain road going conditions, the standard intercooler will give a noticeable effect of reduced efficiency. Take a long series of hairpin bends in a mountain pass, where you may be using high engine revs, but in a low gear. This will obviously be at quite low road speeds, and therefore dramatically reduced airflow through the rads/intercooler and engine compartment. It wall also give a much increased underbonnet temperature, and the resultant "heat-soak" will be transferred to the standard intercooler. The additional Forge item is further forward, and is a small but important distance away from the radiator and condensor, and will be much less prone to heat soak in these circumstances.
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Robin, interesting observations and comments.
However, under certain road going conditions, the standard intercooler will give a noticeable effect of reduced efficiency. Take a long series of hairpin bends in a mountain pass, where you may be using high engine revs, but in a low gear. This will obviously be at quite low road speeds, and therefore dramatically reduced airflow through the rads/intercooler and engine compartment. It wall also give a much increased underbonnet temperature, and the resultant "heat-soak" will be transferred to the standard intercooler. The additional Forge item is further forward, and is a small but important distance away from the radiator and condensor, and will be much less prone to heat soak in these circumstances.
....Good point. Coincidentally I've very recently come back from a European road trip which included Alpine twisties. However, I didn't find my car had any shortcomings nor show any signs of lack of expected performance. I have Neuspeed Turbo Discharge and Charge pipes etc but nothing to specifically cool the air which is cooler at higher altitudes anyway.
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Ed 30 has not the same intercooler as the normal GTI.The normal GTI has plastic sides of the intercooler,Ed 30 has all around aluminum.So there is no problen to drive the car with 310hp with original intercooler.I have spoken to oettinger about this.And if you want to buy an oettinger intercooler it costs only 540 euro
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Ed 30 has not the same intercooler as the normal GTI.The normal GTI has plastic sides of the intercooler,Ed 30 has all around aluminum.So there is no problen to drive the car with 310hp with original intercooler.I have spoken to oettinger about this.And if you want to buy an oettinger intercooler it costs only 540 euro
Huh ??
I have the standard GTI, and it has an all-alloy intercooler - no plastic headers on mine. If you do some searching, you will notice others who have access to the factory part numbers (EKTA) have previously stated the Ed30 and the standard GTI share an identical part number - hence identical intercooler. :nerd:
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Robin, interesting observations and comments.
However, under certain road going conditions, the standard intercooler will give a noticeable effect of reduced efficiency. Take a long series of hairpin bends in a mountain pass, where you may be using high engine revs, but in a low gear. This will obviously be at quite low road speeds, and therefore dramatically reduced airflow through the rads/intercooler and engine compartment. It wall also give a much increased underbonnet temperature, and the resultant "heat-soak" will be transferred to the standard intercooler. The additional Forge item is further forward, and is a small but important distance away from the radiator and condensor, and will be much less prone to heat soak in these circumstances.
....Good point. Coincidentally I've very recently come back from a European road trip which included Alpine twisties. However, I didn't find my car had any shortcomings nor show any signs of lack of expected performance. I have Neuspeed Turbo Discharge and Charge pipes etc but nothing to specifically cool the air which is cooler at higher altitudes anyway.
Very true, but on the flip side, at higher altitudes, the air is less dense too (containing less oxygen molecules, compared to that at sea-level - for the same volume).
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Mabe this is a good idee!
http://cgi.ebay.de/Audi-S3-8P-Ladeluftkuehler-LLK-A3-8P-auch-Golf-5-V-u-GTI_W0QQitemZ160148282784QQihZ006QQcategoryZ61305QQcmdZViewItem
Is it worth to upgrade to an S3 intercooler then
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Thanks TT - I learn something new every day.
I don't think it's worth changing the stock intercooler unless you drive a lot of track days or live in areas with hot climates and lots of twisties. The stock cooler seems pretty good from reading reports.
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Its for shure worth if you upgradefor more hp.Just read thath the S3 intercooler was 60% larger than gti/ed 30 stock!