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Re: GTI Clubsport, Season 2, Episode 1
« Reply #50 on: 29 December 2021, 07:50 »

If you ever come to Dudley again it would be great to share a pint and GTi talk with you as I'm only 5 miles away.

Drop me a PM anytime.

That sounds a great idea BillSan :afro:  :smiley:
Unfortunately that visit was for a funeral but I have family in the general area I visit on occasion (although not often enough)

Reading this got me wondering how far away the 8.5 update might be - might VW be tempted to redesign  the dash/user interface?

But great to see the core GTI-ness remains - that wonderful duality of purpose.

Dynamically the GTI has just got better and better.
Rewind back to the mk6 and earlier days and the first thing I’d do upon taking delivery of a GTI would be to address areas I considered weak spots. Since the mk7 days it was really only the throttle response and wheels I felt needed improving on. The mk8 throttle response seems pretty ok again but some of the wheel designs are a bit iffy (taste dependant of course). But things like engine mapping and suspension upgrades just aren’t needed for a rapid road car these days. In my opinion of course, I’m sure others will differ and I’ll be the first to admit I’m getting older and more boring by the day!  :grin:

Something like addressing the lack of illumination could easily be done on a model year spec adjustment, but even the ID.3 and Born seem to still have non illuminated controls.
The rest of the UI is no more complex than an iPad and one can see why VW use that design as there is just so much tech and so many options on these modern cars the cockpit could easily resemble that of an airliner if it was all buttons and dials.
Like an iPad there are programmable shortcuts and voice control BUT there’s no getting away from the fact other marques, including in house VW group, that do it better.

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Re: GTI Clubsport, Season 2, Episode 1
« Reply #51 on: 30 December 2021, 09:11 »
@Exonian, thanks for the update.

I suspect your next move will be electric??

The question that interests me most is whether you would enjoy the clear 5am country road run in a car that makes no noise and in which power doesn’t build. Maybe that’s a question for season 3??

@splashalot, is the mini electric as enjoyable as your golf- as a sports hatch- or do you miss your mk7?
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Re: GTI Clubsport, Season 2, Episode 1
« Reply #52 on: 30 December 2021, 09:44 »
Despite the many niggles mk8 owners have with the technology, the mk8 Clubsport is still really appealing.

I think Exonian's experience with a golf is exactly the demographic that it's for, it's a golf and it's for everyday first and foremost, but if you want to attack a few bends on a clear road and have fun you can.

I'd also argue the Clubsport/Ed45 are the best looking of the range, I saw a plain white mk8R in town a few weeks ago and it was very meh from the rear in comparison with what looked to be much smaller exhausts.

I don't think we'll see a total redesign in the mk8.5 but I think it will go more the Audi/BMW route of giving you your physical climate buttons and a volume button for nothing more than to settle the only negative thing about the car.



Because once the software is eventually fixed, it's a brilliant range of cars. Looks are an individual thing but overall I think the mk8 is a good looking car both on the inside and the outside.
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Re: GTI Clubsport, Season 2, Episode 1
« Reply #53 on: 30 December 2021, 10:31 »
Interesting update. I am hoping top move to a mk8 Clubsport when I change my mk7 in a couple of years providing taxation does not make it prohibitive.

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Re: GTI Clubsport, Season 2, Episode 1
« Reply #54 on: 30 December 2021, 23:09 »
@Exonian, thanks for the update.

I suspect your next move will be electric??

The question that interests me most is whether you would enjoy the clear 5am country road run in a car that makes no noise and in which power doesn’t build. Maybe that’s a question for season 3??

@splashalot, is the mini electric as enjoyable as your golf- as a sports hatch- or do you miss your mk7?

I’d like my next move to be a BEV but whether it will or not is open to question.
Poor regional free/cheap public charging infrastructure in the South West coupled with government incentives reducing annually (plus a lack of company car allowance which would make the decision a no-brainer) are part reason. More so the fact there isn’t yet quite to perfect EV for me.
Heart says MINI Electric but there are drawbacks previously mentioned which are an issue for using it as my main/only car. Otherwise I’d have one in a heartbeat right now.
The Cupra Born 230bhp is a possible but not if it’s going to cost more than my 300PS 35mpg Golf and even then there are other question marks about dynamics. 
There are no other electric cars that remotely appeal to me, yet.

There aren’t many petrol ones either. Taking into account current pricing and affordability then probably none whatsoever. Certainly not to the extent I’d pay a whack of money and have to wait nearly 12 months. Within that 12 months something else more appealing might have been introduced…

I’d been hoping this Clubsport would be my last ever Golf, but you never know - it might not be yet.


As for my 5am jaunts. A couple of flies in the ointment of enjoying the petrol hot hatch versus the soulless EV power delivery are the DSG and wild animals.
The Clubsport engine is a joy to use but on winding undulating but fairly narrow roads the DSG gets a bit confused. On a daytime run hampered by slow moving traffic the gearbox is fine, it allows the car to trickle along seamlessly and economically. These I think of as my 38mpg trips.
If the road is clear and I’m in the mood for a 31 mpg trip then the car is fantastic. A moderate press on the throttle seems to keep the DSG’s reflexes in good stead and only a few manual downshifts are necessary in the whole 13 mile commute. The trouble with runs like that are foxes, badgers, deer, pheasants and huge lanky hares. The car will absolutely tear up the tarmac and rip around the bends with minimal driver effort, however the speed the car will be travelling at means the car is going to make contact with something warm and fluffy which won’t end well. And it has happened, but thankfully not to my Golf. Plus the fresh hairy corpses I see most days are a constant warning of the distinct possibility of it being me next time.
So, Mr Boring me tends to drive briskly most mornings but not fast. These are my 34mpg trips. Quick but cautious. The DSG likes those trips the least, it’ll get confused and laggy most days on the few bends I least want it to. Even manual shifting doesn’t seem to agree with it.
But these brisk but not super-quick trips would be ideal for an EV. No gearbox lag, motor set in its most responsive setting and away… 

@Will, my son has a new shape A3 S-Line and although it has buttons it’s not much easier to set up and control things such as climate and the audio system.
The 1 series does it better.

@dfm, a Clubsport is best specced as light on the options otherwise you’re into Golf R pricing as well as ‘luxury’ VED.
Although the Clubsport is fantastic to drive when conditions permit I’d not want to be spending R money on one. Once spending that much I’d rather just get an R.
Maybe hang tight for the Ed50  :cool:

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Re: GTI Clubsport, Season 2, Episode 1
« Reply #55 on: 31 December 2021, 00:07 »
As a means of getting around, I’m sure an EV will be very effective - fast, easy to use, comfortable, efficient.

I just can’t see how it can engage the driver and stir the soul in the way that a manual petrol vehicle can.

What will EV enthusiasts talk about on forums?? Range?

I’m planning a small collection of petrol cars - and a motorbike-to keep into retirement.
 
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Re: GTI Clubsport, Season 2, Episode 1
« Reply #56 on: 31 December 2021, 00:20 »


@splashalot, is the mini electric as enjoyable as your golf- as a sports hatch- or do you miss your mk7?

Surprisingly, no I don't really miss the GTI.  I can honestly say the Mini is just as enjoyable as a sports hatch as my 7.5 manual GTI, possibly even moreso.  The only thing I remotely miss is the noise, at times.  Yet on most other occasions that silent, solid shove of instant torque more than makes up for it. 

I've written at length about my decision making process and how I arrived at an EV here: https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=288260.0

Towards the end of that thread I've posted some ownership opinions.

I guess I'd say that as a lifelong petrol head I'm more than a bit surprised that I'm enjoying the Mini EV more than my GTIs.  I never thought I would say that.

Edit:  This may help put the Mini EV into some context.  Jonny is the only reviewer who has (I believe) really nailed the Cooper SE.  Most other reviews blather on about range and approach it as a white goods appliance.  Jonny assesses it as a driver's car, from an enthusiasts' perspective, as well as the day-to-day practicalities.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyswzcDCjxE&ab_channel=TheLateBrakeShow
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Re: GTI Clubsport, Season 2, Episode 1
« Reply #57 on: 31 December 2021, 09:09 »
Interesting- and must say I’m also surprised.

Maybe I need to try one, and open my mind a bit to new sensations.

I have a tendency to live in the past. I wear combats, I listen to 90s indie music- and I love my 205.
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Re: GTI Clubsport, Season 2, Episode 1
« Reply #58 on: 31 December 2021, 09:23 »
As a means of getting around, I’m sure an EV will be very effective - fast, easy to use, comfortable, efficient.

I just can’t see how it can engage the driver and stir the soul in the way that a manual petrol vehicle can.

What will EV enthusiasts talk about on forums?? Range?

I’m planning a small collection of petrol cars - and a motorbike-to keep into retirement.

You want your soul stirred? Easy, just add: https://www.hautopart.com/product/tesla-model-3-x-s-active-sound-exhaust/
 :grin:  I kid thee not.

After a colleague of mine was asking me, the resident workplace VW bore, about ID.3’s earlier in the year as he’d test driven one and liked it (coming from a Citroen something or other) I did a bit of research on them so I could actually bore him with some informed facts.
Oh my word were the ID.3 forums one unpleasant place. Argumentative middle managers with company car allowances and cantankerous oldies made for rudeness and a generally unpleasant vibe. And yes, talk of range, how having steel wheels was a great/unforgivable idea (and some admittedly valid but dull reasons) plus orange and white interior fans/detractors. The saving grace was our own Monkeyhanger on one owners board with his regular brand of being himself  :smiley:

The idea of a small fleet of ICE cars is a nice one. So long as you have plenty of space and buy examples that can be serviced and fixed yourself (bearing in mind parts supply and dealer knowledge will die away with successive generations of techie) which will rule out complex current vehicles to an extent.
The ICE cars will eventually become much cheaper as demand drops, aside from enthusiast cars (the stuff we’d actually want to buy) which will hold more firmly until it becomes difficult to get parts or source affordable fuel. That’s the great thing about the 205, its simplicity means it should last indefinitely. 


If any EV would convert you it would be the MINI as a drivers car. Just raw enough, quick enough, and a great size for the type of use it’s designed for. No good as a main car if you have three kids and a Great Dane but as a fast, fun small hatch it’s amazing.

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Re: GTI Clubsport, Season 2, Episode 1
« Reply #59 on: 31 December 2021, 09:47 »
Haha, I wondered if there was artificial sound on the market.

But will it stir the soul like the “ real “ sound of screaming revving ICE engine?

Bit like artificial grass or plants. May look nice, but you know they’re fake!

On the subject of servicing older cars, I must say it has been very satisfying getting involved with self maintenance again- after many years.

I don’t think a specialist servicing network will ever die away- or not in my lifetime anyway- I’m pretty confident that there will be the demand- and will- to keep these cars going.
Ok, so I may not get a vw specialist on my doorstep- may need to travel further afield- but the enthusiasm for certain types of vehicle will keep them going for many years yet.

( Peugeot are making new parts for some of their classics- “ aventure peugeot”)
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