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General => New forum members => Topic started by: bjbanny on 29 January 2021, 18:40
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Hello everyone,
my name is BJ from Bielefeld in Germany
i decided to order a Pure white GTI DSG at the end of September 2020 because i wanted something practical like my current seat loan 1.5 with 130ps but more sporty, fun and motivating to goto on work everyday morning at 5am :cry:
the GTI will be this most powerful car i have ever own :laugh: when it arrive in April. i decided to pull the trigger as i want more fun on my way to and from work like i had with my Lexus IS few years ago.
I have reed a lot on the forum and i notice you British buyer seems to have better value for money on the GTI.
for example, as standard on your on GTI we get the 17" rims as so to upgrade to
18" cost 655 euros while the 19" cost 1480 euros.
other standard on UK car that cost a lot in Germany are
IQ Matrix LED cost extra 1.125,00 euros
Keyless entry 445 euros
Electrically folding/adjustable door mirrors 180 euro
ACC 470 euro
Base GTI DSG in Germany cost €38,500.00
I decided to lease my car as there was a special offer on preconfigured car with most of the popular options.
the deal was a no brainer leased for 24 months at 265 euros per month on a GTI that car cost 43000 euros
I could only choose the colour so i went for pure white what i could not add that i like is the 19" Alloy wheels and Reversing came.
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Welcome to the forum BJ, that is a really good deal on a lease and much cheaper then can be found in the UK, I hope you have fun with it. :smiley:
Of course pictures and a write up are mandatory....
I was up in that neck of your woods at Gutersloh a number of years ago, what a great part of the country
Cheers
Al
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@Al1040 sure i will keep the forum up to date on the proceeding.
yeah, Gutersloh is very close to me.
i miss seeing all the British Right -hander performance cars running around.
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Yeah I was running around in one of the first Mk2 8v Gti's, sort of shows my age :whistle:
Still can't get over the price, you would struggle to get a normal polo for that price in the UK. Unless of course you had to put a massive deposit down :sad:
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The normal leasing price for a GTI in Germany is between €320 - €360 euro and general monthly cost of leasing is relatively lower in Germany compared to uk due to a better residual value of used cars in Germany.
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Also worth mentioning is that standard leasing kilometers per year in Germany is 10000 kilometers per year with a bonus of extra 2500 kilometers for the entire team of leasing.
My 24 months leasing includes total of 22500 kilometers which is around 14000 miles in Uk
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Welcome BJ!
Leasing in Germany seems to be the default thing VW offer from their website?
So maybe leasing is what most people do with their cars?
Leasing is less popular in the UK and not something offered by VW directly. You can lease, but it is a harder thing to find and mainly is used by companies for company provided cars to employees (although company cars have almost been taxed to death by the government now).
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You can lease from VW directly. My car was through VWFS who are VW UK's finance arm. It's just that dealers don't push it to private customers as they make more money through PCP.
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Yes but the vw uk configurator isn't based around pricing cars and options as monthly lease payments... Vw Germany is.
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The UK website leaves a lot to be desired, I'm not sure I would trust the configurator anyway. Admittedly they may not shout about it as much as they do in Germany, but you definitely can lease directly from VW UK.
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/finance-offers-and-fleet/lease-offers/lease-directly-from-volkswagen
To get the best offers on a car you want, best to pick up the phone and speak to the fleet dept at a dealer. The UK website is a bit hopeless for that. Ultimately you need to do a bit of research and some haggling to avoid paying too much, just like you would with PCP.
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Interesting!
I've never seen that VW site before.
You don't get to option a car, but I didn't this time either (mine is from dealer stock).
Surprised at how cheap the fully maintained is too.
Probably should have considered PCH, but it always seemed too difficult to achieve - cars are fleeting (no pun intended) targets appearing on random car leasing websites. Never felt confident about trying that when my new car needs to arrive in a predictable time.
I guess the only catch with PCH is that there is definitely zero equity at the end (although the deposits are lower vs monthly payments - but you don't get VW finance contribution.... swings and roundabouts I am sure) and also you definitely will be charged for excess mileage under all circumstances, meaning you need to either be quite accurate on your mileage or deliberarely choose under and be prepared to pay up. (I know a global pandemic wasn't terribly predictable but I'd have got screwed by that with PCH).
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Yes there are definitely some drawbacks, no denying that. You can get yourself in a right mess if you don't know what you're doing, or if you bite off more than you can chew with the payments.
Mileage allowance, always go for a realistic amount then take a bit off and factor in paying excess if the excess rate is reasonable. As you say, better to be paying for it at the end based on what you've actually used. Although it is sometimes possible to adjust the contract mileage mid-term if you have an unexpected major change of circumstances.
If your current lease is running out and your new lease still hasn't arrived, VWFS will allow you to extend your lease until the new car arrives, as long as both cars are supplied by them (i.e. VW/Audi/SEAT/Skoda). It's more of an issue though if you're changing from one brand to another (i.e. moving from a VW to a BMW or vice versa).
The random car leasing websites that pop up more often than not are just brokers offering cheap headline monthly figures. They just arrange your lease with the finance company (which is often the manufacturer) in exchange for a fee. If you take the quote to a dealer they can sometimes match the broker quote without paying the arrangement fee.
Biggest drawbacks with leasing;-
- if you need to hand the car back early in the lease this can be very expensive
- there's no possibility of any equity at the end
- you will pay for all optional extras in full, so keep them to a minimum
- if you want to buy the car at the end of the lease this is not always possible
- you WILL be billed at the end of the lease for damage beyond reasonable wear and tear
- it's not your car, so think carefully before modifying it
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On that last point.... I was reading BMW can get sh1tty about mods to cars even on PCP - anything the dealer can detect, including software ones like putting the M sport logo on the screen at startup if that's not how your car was configured.
When I say getting sh1tty - I mean "put it back or we will repossess the car"
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I've never had a PCP so I'm not fully familiar with the full terms of what you can and cannot do, but ultimately a PCP and PCH are both contracts. Best thing to do is read them before you sign up, or at the very least before you hand it back.
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Interesting!
I've never seen that VW site before.
You don't get to option a car, but I didn't this time either (mine is from dealer stock).
Surprised at how cheap the fully maintained is too.
Probably should have considered PCH, but it always seemed too difficult to achieve - cars are fleeting (no pun intended) targets appearing on random car leasing websites. Never felt confident about trying that when my new car needs to arrive in a predictable time.
I guess the only catch with PCH is that there is definitely zero equity at the end (although the deposits are lower vs monthly payments - but you don't get VW finance contribution.... swings and roundabouts I am sure) and also you definitely will be charged for excess mileage under all circumstances, meaning you need to either be quite accurate on your mileage or deliberarely choose under and be prepared to pay up. (I know a global pandemic wasn't terribly predictable but I'd have got screwed by that with PCH).
The offer also includes Belmont winter wheels. I also opted for a service package for extra €10 monthly for inspection/ service. Extra kilometers cost 7.79cent so extra 10000 kilometers cost only €797.
If you happen to do less than your contracted kilometers your get refunded but at a lower rate of 3.21 cent
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If you happen to do less than your contracted kilometers your get refunded but at a lower rate of 3.21 cent
Wow, that's good :shocked:
Doesn't happen like that here, you get nothing back if you're under your contract mileage. :sad:
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All very different!
Interesting to hear about.
Do most people lease like that?
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Most Germans like to configure what they want so the leasing price goes up. In order to get a decent price one most take a preconfigured car. Winter wheels are always an option but in my case it was already tight to the deal so I couldn’t opted out.
The service pack is always an option but during the promotion it was cheaper.
Regarding the extra kilometers charges, the cost varies according to the car model but all brands give you money back if you drive less kilometers than the contracted kilometers but at a lower rate to when you drive more.
In general most Germans buy a car and use it for 5 to 7years before buying another one but leasing is now on the rise in Germany.
There is now a well established website called www.leasingmarkt.de where one can compare leasing price from various brands and dealers.
www.sixt-neuwagen.de used to be the major leasing vendor for many years but not anymore.
This is my forth leased car between me and my wife since 2015.
I like leasing because I know the exact money I will be paying for the specific period am using the car. so, no worries about the residual value at the end.
My current lease contract with my 1.5 131ps seat Leon is supposed to end in December 2021 but I decided to return it earlier as it’s no fun and too slow. although, I have to pay off the remaining monthly lease payment but I don’t mind I am happy to move on :grin:
There is a Portal for lease transfer in Germany but I have to pay VW finance €500 for cost of transfer but I rather not bother with the paper work.
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It's fascinating to see how it's different. I somehow imagined it would be the same across Europe but its not.
USA is weird but you know...
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:cool: I finally picked up my GTI yesterday in Autostadt VW factory after a very long wait.
Car was order on 29.09.2020 but was only ready for handover from 4.2.2021 but I postponed my pick up as I don’t want to immediately change the tires to winter tires due to German regulations.
My GTi came with Goodyear eagle super sport F1 tires no previous experience with this tires I was expecting Michelin Pilot Sport or Bridgestone 005
Can anyone tell me how to know when the car was manufactured
Software was very fast and I was able to login as main user immediately at the Autostadt
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The number on the far right .. Says 015, which is 5th day of build week one.
January 5th i think that is.
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The number on the far right .. Says 015, which is 5th day of build week one.
January 5th i think that is.
Great thanks
They used to have a sticker at the lower part of the seat belt that tells you the product date before in most car but I guess it’s all codes now
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Looks great bjbanny, hope it brings you lots of enjoyment.
Must get myself a trip to Autostadt once this covid situation gets a bit more predictable...
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Looks great bjbanny, hope it brings you lots of enjoyment.
Must get myself a trip to Autostadt once this covid situation gets a bit more predictable...
thanks
everything is running smooth so far.