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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Carbon VW on 06 July 2013, 02:50
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I cannot understeland for the life of me why people who have ordered a GTI are worryying about Mpg?? I ordered my GTI to enjoy it to the max and not worry about fuel consumption ! There seems to be a lot of people on here who are worrying about the wrong thing ?? Am I the only one who thinks this way?? :whistle: u order a GTI because you are a fan !!!
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I cannot understeland for the life of me why people who have ordered a GTI are worryying about Mpg?? I ordered my GTI to enjoy it to the max and not worry about fuel consumption ! There seems to be a lot of people on here who are worrying about the wrong thing ?? Am I the only one who thinks this way?? :whistle: u order a GTI because you are a fan !!!
Well said, and really, anybody worrying about MPG at all should question themsleves as to why they are spending so much money on a car in the first place. I'm a Mk5 GTI onwer and Mk7 GTI buyer because it's from the heart, not the head! Having said that, my mortgage just went down over £100 a month, so for me that's just free fuel! :grin:
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Some people might be buying one because there's no 220PS petrol car out there with better official mpg, it's extensive range of standard equipment and build quality rather than 3 letters in a badge. Not everyone buys the same car for the same reasons.
On the other hand of you're umming and ahhing on whether it'll do 36mpg or 40mpg then you probably should remeber the difference between the 2 is about £150 a year in fuelling, you'll be losing more than that on nearly every optional extra you spec. No point in buying a GTI if you're constantly watching the fuel gauge and driving it very softly to save the pennies.
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If it did 15mpg would you still feel the same way?
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We all like different things. I drive with an eye on fuel economy most of the time, but that shouldn't mean that I should be precluded from having a GTI, just because I won't drive it quickly that often.
I love my Mk2. It's a cracking car to drive, but it spends most of it's time in the garage. I get just as much pleasure out of looking at it and knowing it's mine, as I do driving it. Lots of people will tell me that's a waste of a car. But it's my car, and I'll do what I like with it, and I'll do exactly the same with my ED40 when I get that.
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I cannot understeland for the life of me why people who have ordered a GTI are worryying about Mpg?? I ordered my GTI to enjoy it to the max and not worry about fuel consumption ! There seems to be a lot of people on here who are worrying about the wrong thing ?? Am I the only one who thinks this way?? :whistle: u order a GTI because you are a fan !!!
I don't think i've read a post on this forum that says they are "worried" about fuel consumption? Interested yes.
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Jimble I just feel there are so many more interesting things to talk about than MPG on a GTI. If you are thinking about MPG then you need to start thinking GTD. Just my thoughts, don't mean to offend anyone. :smiley: Great forum by the way and looking forward to everyone getting their new toys!!
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Jimble I just feel there are so many more interesting things to talk about than MPG on a GTI. If you are thinking about MPG then you need to start thinking GTD. Just my thoughts, don't mean to offend anyone. :smiley: Great forum by the way and looking forward to everyone getting their new toys!!
All part of the spice of life :wink:
You can't stop people talking about this subject. There will be more and more fascinating posts popping up as people receive their shiny new motors.
I think there are a fair few grumpy souls on here who privately resent folks talking about GTD's and diesel mpg etc, etc... VW have made the GTD/GTI so close now you gotta deal with it I'm afraid.
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Jimble I just feel there are so many more interesting things to talk about than MPG on a GTI. If you are thinking about MPG then you need to start thinking GTD. Just my thoughts, don't mean to offend anyone. :) Great forum by the way and looking forward to everyone getting their new toys!!
No offence taken mate, people buy a GTI for many reasons a few of which have been pointed out already but even if you buy an Evo which most buy for performance you'll still get discussion about fuel consumption.
Welcome btw :afro:
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If it did 15mpg would you still feel the same way?
If this was all it could do I wouldn't buy one. I buy for fun yes, but not at any cost. To me this is no different than the price tag. If they were asking £40k I bet everyone of us would buy a M135i instead. Why should mpg be treated differently?
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If it did 15mpg would you still feel the same way?
If this was all it could do I wouldn't buy one. I buy for fun yes, but not at any cost. To me this is no different than the price tag. If they were asking £40k I bet everyone of us would buy a M135i instead. Why should mpg be treated differently?
I wouldn't buy an M135i
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MPG is important on a GTI since many use will use it as a daily driver which is what it's designed for.
If MPG was of no concern then there are many alternatives available for much less than the cost of a MK7 GTI.
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If it did 15mpg would you still feel the same way?
I'm pretty sure there will be days when it does do 15mpg :laugh:
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If it did 15mpg would you still feel the same way?
If this was all it could do I wouldn't buy one. I buy for fun yes, but not at any cost. To me this is no different than the price tag. If they were asking £40k I bet everyone of us would buy a M135i instead. Why should mpg be treated differently?
I wouldn't buy an M135i
I would, it p!sses on the GTI - but is too expensive to buy and run.
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If it did 15mpg would you still feel the same way?
If this was all it could do I wouldn't buy one. I buy for fun yes, but not at any cost. To me this is no different than the price tag. If they were asking £40k I bet everyone of us would buy a M135i instead. Why should mpg be treated differently?
I wouldn't buy an M135i
I would, it p!sses on the GTI - but is too expensive to buy and run.
and it's completely fugly
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and it's completely fugly
Need to drive it fast to avoid being recognised!
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and it's completely fugly
Need to drive it fast to avoid being recognised!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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and it's completely fugly
Need to drive it fast to avoid being recognised!
I like this theory! :laugh:
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As a starter of an MPG thread, the things at the back of my mind include:
- Some of us will keep the car we buy for a few years (as much as 10 in our case), and if fuel prices continue to rise, a low MPG will just keep hurting more and more over the years, so the more efficient now, the less cumulative pain!
- Most of the miles we do will be sat at a constant speed. Frankly, I want to pay as little as possible to be bimbling along in a vast mass of humanity on the M25 at 20mph, and that means good MPG.
- I hate petrol stations. If your car does twice the MPG with the same tank, you'll visit them half as much!
- On long journeys, assuming your bladder sphincter muscle can stand it :shocked: Missing out a fill up is a bit like 500 overtakes. Well, I made that up, but you get the point. Rabbit and tortoise and all that.
- Finally, in general, I like more efficient things over less efficient things, even if I can afford the less efficient thing. Going for the bigger engine bakes in a bit of inefficiency, so anything the engineers can do to make that effect less profound, the better for me. It's a sort of nerdy technology interest :nerd:
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As a starter of an MPG thread, the things at the back of my mind include:
- Some of us will keep the car we buy for a few years (as much as 10 in our case), and if fuel prices continue to rise, a low MPG will just keep hurting more and more over the years, so the more efficient now, the less cumulative pain!
- Most of the miles we do will be sat at a constant speed. Frankly, I want to pay as little as possible to be bimbling along in a vast mass of humanity on the M25 at 20mph, and that means good MPG.
- I hate petrol stations. If your car does twice the MPG with the same tank, you'll visit them half as much!
- On long journeys, assuming your bladder sphincter muscle can stand it :shocked: Missing out a fill up is a bit like 500 overtakes. Well, I made that up, but you get the point. Rabbit and tortoise and all that.
- Finally, in general, I like more efficient things over less efficient things, even if I can afford the less efficient thing. Going for the bigger engine bakes in a bit of inefficiency, so anything the engineers can do to make that effect less profound, the better for me. It's a sort of nerdy technology interest :nerd:
Sounds like you want a GTD with a GTI badge.
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All valid points Andy B, very practical, but, unless you need a new car, a used GTI in 6 months time could save you as much in depreciation as you'd save on fuel by driving a brand new GTD for several years. As I've always said, when spending this much money on a car, relative fuel efficiency didn't even enter the financial equation.
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All valid points Andy B, very practical, but, unless you need a new car, a used GTI in 6 months time could save you as much in depreciation as you'd save on fuel by driving a brand new GTD for several years. As I've always said, when spending this much money on a car, relative fuel efficiency didn't even enter the financial equation.
Good luck with a sizeable discount on a 6 month olf VW of any type, let alone a car with limited allocation such as a GTI or GTD. Anything up to a year old will be stickered for at least as much as you can negotiate a discount on a new one for, and the used lot of a VW dealership generally doesn't have much room for haggling.
This is the primary reason I buy VWs new. If I was buying a non German car I would undoubtedly buy it 2nd hand at a year or 2 old to save a wedge of cash (and still have some warranty coverage), but on a VW, the meagre savings that might be made are not worth it.
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Yeah, fair points MH. I personally still can't make a convincing financial argument for a GTD though, not at these car prices!
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All valid points Andy B, very practical, but, unless you need a new car, a used GTI in 6 months time could save you as much in depreciation as you'd save on fuel by driving a brand new GTD for several years. As I've always said, when spending this much money on a car, relative fuel efficiency didn't even enter the financial equation.
The problem there for me, in addition to that pointed out by monkeyhangar, is that one of the advantages of going new is that you get to spec out precisely what you want. If you aren't that fussed about this or that, and are prepared to wait a couple of years after a new model is released, then you're right, depreciation of an initial purchase makes a vast difference. But I've always been tempted by the latest thing, and therefore know I must be punished :grin:
Anyway, MPG is just 'one of those things'. It's not the only thing. I'm used to a GTI. I'll try both GTD and GTi and see what it's like, and if I don't like the diesel, then no amount of fuel savings will make me have one. Likewise, if the fuel savings aren't that great, then why would I bother in the first place!
All this procrastination is great though. It means I can save up for longer!
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I can't say I've driven a GTD, but I have driven a number of diesel cars for business use, and I am always impressed with just two things - motorway performance and economy. I don't like the way they sound, drive and accelerate around town - never as smooth, quiet, and keen as a good petrol. The gap may be reducing, but it would take a significant fuel saving to sway me. At the end of the day I work hard to provide for my family, and my car is my only major vice!
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which diesel cars have you driven for business use? if you've never driven a gtd or a decent diesel then you probably couldn't make a statement of never as smooth, quiet, and keen as a good petrol. the gap if any reduced years ago with diesels far more refined now.
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which diesel cars have you driven for business use? if you've never driven a gtd or a decent diesel then you probably couldn't make a statement of never as smooth, quiet, and keen as a good petrol. the gap if any reduced years ago with diesels far more refined now.
Yes but still nowhere near. Not even on the same planet. I've come from a mk6 GTD into a mk7 GTI. There's no comparison in terms of refinement and smoothness. Diesels have come on massive leaps and bounds but they are still noisy and clattery and there's no getting away from it.
The MK7 has the stop start and i have to glance at the tacho to see if the engine has stopped! You cant hear it! To be honest, during the cold spell early this year the cold start diesel clatter drove me nuts.
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the mk7 gtd has stop start so vw must have done something to rectify the cold start clatter. I'm sure they've got a new system that warms the engine up a lot quicker. petrols are no longer the be all and end all of hot hatches.
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the mk7 gtd has stop start so vw must have done something to rectify the cold start clatter. I'm sure they've got a new system that warms the engine up a lot quicker. petrols are no longer the be all and end all of hot hatches.
My dad's is extremely smooth in the stop-start (I almost didn't notice it start up again - i'd initially had my reservations about stop-start on a GTD), my Scirocco 170TDI is very smooth for a diesel (but not quite as smooth as the GTD unit).
Since VAG ditched PD and embraced CR with piezo-electric injectors they have been the smoothest diesel units on the road. My boss's BMW520D (Sept 2012 model) sounds like an absolute bag of hammers in comparison, especially from cold, and Merc Diesels are rougher than BMW ones. The idling differences are minimal now and above 1500rpm you would be hard pushed to tell you were driving a TDI.
Due to their higher gearing they're noticeably quieter at motorway cruising speed than a GTI and on the 170/177/184 units they actually sound better in the cabin than the 2.0TSI because of the soundaktor device (yes it's artificial, but I care more about what I hear than what everyone else hears and it's the same one they put in the "R") but yet again, above 1500rpm, when you put your foot down in a high output TDI it does have a decent engine note.
VAG seem to be slow on the uptake with increasing TDI output, unlike BMW which have been pushing 6PS a year about 3 years in a row with their 2.0D unit. They seem to only up the output when they can work out how to do it without compromising refinement and economy.
Buy a GTD if you care about MPG, buy a GTI if you care less about it or hate diesels because you think they'll drive like your mams Peugeot 205 diesel you used to drive 20 years ago when you first passed your test.
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the mk7 gtd has stop start so vw must have done something to rectify the cold start clatter. I'm sure they've got a new system that warms the engine up a lot quicker. petrols are no longer the be all and end all of hot hatches.
My dad's is extremely smooth in the stop-start (I almost didn't notice it start up again - i'd initially had my reservations about stop-start on a GTD), my Scirocco 170TDI is very smooth for a diesel (but not quite as smooth as the GTD unit).
Since VAG ditched PD and embraced CR with piezo-electric injectors they have been the smoothest diesel units on the road. My boss's BMW520D (Sept 2012 model) sounds like an absolute bag of hammers in comparison, especially from cold, and Merc Diesels are rougher than BMW ones. The idling differences are minimal now and above 1500rpm you would be hard pushed to tell you were driving a TDI.
Due to their higher gearing they're noticeably quieter at motorway cruising speed than a GTI and on the 170/177/184 units they actually sound better in the cabin than the 2.0TSI because of the soundaktor device (yes it's artificial, but I care more about what I hear than what everyone else hears and it's the same one they put in the "R") but yet again, above 1500rpm, when you put your foot down in a high output TDI it does have a decent engine note.
VAG seem to be slow on the uptake with increasing TDI output, unlike BMW which have been pushing 6PS a year about 3 years in a row with their 2.0D unit. They seem to only up the output when they can work out how to do it without compromising refinement and economy.
Buy a GTD if you care about MPG, buy a GTI if you care less about it or hate diesels because you think they'll drive like your mams Peugeot 205 diesel you used to drive 20 years ago when you first passed your test.
Sir Monkeyhanger, defender of diesels! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Only pulling your leg son :wink:
Someone's got it do it. We are on a GTI forum after all...
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Contrary to the statement from the OP "why would you buy a GTI and worry about MPG", why would you buy a GTI if you were not considering all of the running costs to a certain extent?
There are many premium badged cars that are a lot faster and more performance oriented, for circa £30k especially if you will have say a 2 year old one.
The GTI is supposed to appeal to the masses because it ticks all the boxes and the average person can justify having one whilst still enjoying hoofing it around whenever suits.
The MPG factor is definitely a selling point to most people I would imagine if they were considering a GTI against the competition.
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New TDI section ^^^
Empty at the moment.