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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Saint Steve on 04 October 2008, 16:10
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Thread here........ More mk5 chat to come in this one as it comes in!!
Great day guys and Gals, hope you enjoyed it. Superb Turnout
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=93812.0
Pics are no doubt a plenty, cookiemonster Brought the big wide lense :smiley:
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I bet you were pleased with your results then Phil Mc! :cool:
Up on last times result, so if you'd got that last time you'd have had a free RR day. :wink:
Makes me wonder what outputs I'd get on those rollers. Bloke at Noble said the rollers were under-reading at the time I went on and by about 3%, but I can't really see how I'd be much higher than 333bhp as 3% would put me at 343bhp :undecided:
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No revo'd ed30's ??
also is this our Stu ?
8. vRStu Mk2 Skoda Octavia Guest 164.6
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yes it is shaun, and only 2 revo GTi's but only standard GTi's.
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I bet you were pleased with your results then Phil Mc! :cool:
Up on last times result, so if you'd got that last time you'd have had a free RR day. :wink:
Makes me wonder what outputs I'd get on those rollers. Bloke at Noble said the rollers were under-reading at the time I went on and by about 3%, but I can't really see how I'd be much higher than 333bhp as 3% would put me at 343bhp :undecided:
oh boy yes, stu was a relieved man!!
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yes it is shaun, and only 2 revo GTi's but only standard GTi's.
ahh thx, it's a diesel he has then ?
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yes it is shaun, and only 2 revo GTi's but only standard GTi's.
ahh thx, it's a diesel he has then ?
Nope Phil must be overcome with excitement as it should read 264.6bhp. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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yes it is shaun, and only 2 revo GTi's but only standard GTi's.
ahh thx, it's a diesel he has then ?
Nope Phil must be overcome with excitement as it should read 264.6bhp. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
ahh, LOL i see, did wonder
whats mods has Stu's got ?
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See below :wink:
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See below :wink:
what sort of bhp was you expecting ?
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It was around the 260 mark last time I ran it.
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In case you are confused it's 264 not 164 as written on the other thread. It's petrol not oil. :wink:
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I see Bluefin are getting great results again... :undecided:
Shame there was no Revo/GIAC Ed30's there really to compare..
Think i'd be a little p*ssed off if I was RR.. :huh:
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It was around the 260 mark last time I ran it.
do you have a remap ? , can't tell from your sig LOL
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Four letters, begins with R and ends in O.
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I am probably opening a can of worms again, but today (for me anyway) proved 100% that the figures quoted by most tuners and those that have been seen on some RR's elsewhere are way over the top.
The stock MK5's (both normal and ED30) that ran today all showed within a few BHP the stock quoted figures, take Golfgirls results and compare these to another RR session she was on recently.
Anyway for just the remap and filter I have I was very pleased with the true results I saw today. :smiley:
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I am probably opening a can of worms again, but today (for me anyway) proved 100% that the figures quoted by most tuners and those that have been seen on some RR's elsewhere are way over the top.
The stock MK5's (both normal and ED30) that ran today all showed within a few BHP the stock quoted figures, take Golfgirls results and compare these to another RR session she was on recently.
Anyway for just the remap and filter I have I was very pleased with the true results I saw today. :smiley:
No offence mate, but why is it 100% PROVEN??? :huh:
I understand JKM are a very proffesional outfit and stock cars seem to be pulling accurate figures. But there can be more to than that.. For some reason, modded cars and JKM's rollers don't seem to get on by the looks of things.. :huh:
I mean 250bhp from a mapped ED30 is just laughable and i'm sure that Shaun (182 Blue) will be the first to say that his must be pulling more than that, as he had a fairly modded ST before hand and has a good comparison to go on..
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I see Bluefin are getting great results again... :undecided:
Shame there was no Revo/GIAC Ed30's there really to compare..
Think i'd be a little p*ssed off if I was RR.. :huh:
dunno, is 271 bhp bad ?
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i have to say i had a 280+ bhp car before and the ED30 is most deffinately quicker, so its all a bit odd, wonder if the manual ed30's do better on the RR ?, im tempted to get Revo but im not sure i will notice the difference
I am probably opening a can of worms again, but today (for me anyway) proved 100% that the figures quoted by most tuners and those that have been seen on some RR's elsewhere are way over the top.
The stock MK5's (both normal and ED30) that ran today all showed within a few BHP the stock quoted figures, take Golfgirls results and compare these to another RR session she was on recently.
Anyway for just the remap and filter I have I was very pleased with the true results I saw today. :smiley:
No offence mate, but why is it 100% PROVEN??? :huh:
I understand JKM are a very proffesional outfit and stock cars seem to be pulling accurate figures. But there can be more to than that.. For some reason, modded cars and JKM's rollers don't seem to get on by the looks of things.. :huh:
I mean 250bhp from a mapped ED30 is just laughable and i'm sure that Shaun (182 Blue) will be the first to say that his must be pulling more than that, as he had a fairly modded ST before hand and has a good comparison to go on..
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I see Bluefin are getting great results again... :undecided:
Shame there was no Revo/GIAC Ed30's there really to compare..
Think i'd be a little p*ssed off if I was RR.. :huh:
dunno, is 271 bhp bad ?
That's with Milltek too mate. The other one got 252.... :shocked:
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i have to say i had a 280+ bhp car before and the ED30 is most deffinately quicker, so its all a bit odd, wonder if the manual ed30's do better on the RR ?, im tempted to get Revo but im not sure i will notice the difference
I am probably opening a can of worms again, but today (for me anyway) proved 100% that the figures quoted by most tuners and those that have been seen on some RR's elsewhere are way over the top.
The stock MK5's (both normal and ED30) that ran today all showed within a few BHP the stock quoted figures, take Golfgirls results and compare these to another RR session she was on recently.
Anyway for just the remap and filter I have I was very pleased with the true results I saw today. :smiley:
No offence mate, but why is it 100% PROVEN??? :huh:
I understand JKM are a very proffesional outfit and stock cars seem to be pulling accurate figures. But there can be more to than that.. For some reason, modded cars and JKM's rollers don't seem to get on by the looks of things.. :huh:
I mean 250bhp from a mapped ED30 is just laughable and i'm sure that Shaun (182 Blue) will be the first to say that his must be pulling more than that, as he had a fairly modded ST before hand and has a good comparison to go on..
Best thing to do mate (instead of all this RR lottery) is actually go out in a Revo'd one. I'm only down the road from you and travel a great deal near you, so if you want a run out/drive of mine, let me know bud.. :wink: Would like to go out in a Bluefin'd one too..
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I see Bluefin are getting great results again... :undecided:
Shame there was no Revo/GIAC Ed30's there really to compare..
Think i'd be a little p*ssed off if I was RR.. :huh:
dunno, is 271 bhp bad ?
That's with Milltek too mate. The other one got 252.... :shocked:
yeh i know, but that may have issues, im sure the Miltek doesnt add that much either
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I am probably opening a can of worms again, but today (for me anyway) proved 100% that the figures quoted by most tuners and those that have been seen on some RR's elsewhere are way over the top.
The stock MK5's (both normal and ED30) that ran today all showed within a few BHP the stock quoted figures, take Golfgirls results and compare these to another RR session she was on recently.
Anyway for just the remap and filter I have I was very pleased with the true results I saw today. :smiley:
No offence mate, but why is it 100% PROVEN??? :huh:
I understand JKM are a very proffesional outfit and stock cars seem to be pulling accurate figures. But there can be more to than that.. For some reason, modded cars and JKM's rollers don't seem to get on by the looks of things.. :huh:
Ok, NONE TAKEN :huh:
Like I said it proved it for me, you don't have to agree.
Take Stu's Octy as another example, it's a modified car and was pulling good figures. But he has a large amount of well setup and complimentary mods to only just exceed the figured quoted by Revo.
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I see Bluefin are getting great results again... :undecided:
Shame there was no Revo/GIAC Ed30's there really to compare..
Think i'd be a little p*ssed off if I was RR.. :huh:
dunno, is 271 bhp bad ?
That's with Milltek too mate. The other one got 252.... :shocked:
yeh i know, but that may have issues, im sure the Miltek doesnt add that much either
Telboy who got the 252bhp result did have problems (the torque curve was al over the place) and when the map was removed it ran near normal figures, The other GTIJames had the TBE and didn't see great results either. JKM didn't seam too surprised by this TBH.
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I am probably opening a can of worms again, but today (for me anyway) proved 100% that the figures quoted by most tuners and those that have been seen on some RR's elsewhere are way over the top.
The stock MK5's (both normal and ED30) that ran today all showed within a few BHP the stock quoted figures, take Golfgirls results and compare these to another RR session she was on recently.
Anyway for just the remap and filter I have I was very pleased with the true results I saw today. :smiley:
No offence mate, but why is it 100% PROVEN??? :huh:
I understand JKM are a very proffesional outfit and stock cars seem to be pulling accurate figures. But there can be more to than that.. For some reason, modded cars and JKM's rollers don't seem to get on by the looks of things.. :huh:
Ok, NONE TAKEN :huh:
Like I said it proved it for me, you don't have to agree.
Take Stu's Octy as another example, it's a modified car and was pulling good figures. But he has a large amount of well setup and complimentary mods to only just exceed the figured quoted by Revo.
I wasn't getting narky mate :grin:, Just saying it's 1 RR out of hundreds and it seems to go against the rest of the countrys results for some strange reason..
Stu's other major mods are uprated FP and FMIC which don't really give a lot more peak power figs, but they give a lot better power throughout the rev range (FP)..
I agree DD rollers are very good and would like to see another RR day on another set of DD rollers to compare..
If my car (or any other mapped ED30) IS only 250-70bhp, then it/they must be the best performing Hot Hatch of that power out there.. :shocked:
Just doesn't add up to be honest.. :huh:
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You can believe what you want about the power of your car and you can take it to whatever rollers makes you feel better but in the long term you are kidding yourself.
The DD RR is pretty accurate, if you can put a stock car on and achieve stock figures (GolfGirls was a classic example) then it will be accurate no matter if it's modified or not. JKM and other tuners with DD rollers have run a lot more power than the Ed30 is likely to achieve.
You should have come along VtecAbuser, you could have put your concerns to bed for good.
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I see Bluefin are getting great results again... :undecided:
Shame there was no Revo/GIAC Ed30's there really to compare..
Think i'd be a little p*ssed off if I was RR.. :huh:
dunno, is 271 bhp bad ?
That's with Milltek too mate. The other one got 252.... :shocked:
yeh i know, but that may have issues, im sure the Miltek doesnt add that much either
Telboy who got the 252bhp result did have problems (the torque curve was al over the place) and when the map was removed it ran near normal figures, The other GTIJames had the TBE and didn't see great results either. JKM didn't seam too surprised by this TBH.
I agree that Bluefin have had there troubles putting down there claimed 307bhp, as that has been the case on many RR days i've seen. Just a shame that there wasn't any Revo/GIAC ED30's there to compare with Awesome's RR day.
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davefish over on r32oc is looking into a RR day at weston performance, who have the 4wd dynodynamics setup.. i'm sure he can fit a couple of fwds in that day for comparison's sake
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You can believe what you want about the power of your car and you can take it to whatever rollers makes you feel better but in the long term you are kidding yourself.
The DD RR is pretty accurate, if you can put a stock car on and achieve stock figures (GolfGirls was a classic example) then it will be accurate no matter if it's modified or not. JKM and other tuners with DD rollers have run a lot more power than the Ed30 is likely to achieve.
You should have come along VtecAbuser, you could have put your concerns to bed for good.
I would of liked to mate. But just was to far for me and had stuff on..
If JKM's rollers are 100%, WITHOUT A DOUBT, BANG ON! Then there will be a lot of Tuning companies that will be in trouble with Trading Standards.. :grin: And someone needs to explain to me how a 270bhp ED30 can do 0-100 in 11 secs and see off A LOT of bigger powered machinery.. :huh:
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You can believe what you want about the power of your car and you can take it to whatever rollers makes you feel better but in the long term you are kidding yourself.
The DD RR is pretty accurate, if you can put a stock car on and achieve stock figures (GolfGirls was a classic example) then it will be accurate no matter if it's modified or not. JKM and other tuners with DD rollers have run a lot more power than the Ed30 is likely to achieve.
You should have come along VtecAbuser, you could have put your concerns to bed for good.
I would of liked to mate. But just was to far for me and had stuff on..
If JKM's rollers are 100%, WITHOUT A DOUBT, BANG ON! Then there will be a lot of Tuning companies that will be in trouble with Trading Standards.. :grin: And someone needs to explain to me how a 270bhp ED30 can do 0-100 in 11 secs and see off A LOT of bigger powered machinery.. :huh:
yeh but put that big machinery on the same rollers and they would all run less too :laugh:
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dont suppose anyone recorded their whp figures?
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Probably would mate.. :grin:
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DRIVER SKILL!!!!! has a big part in it Vtec!!, i went out in GTijames's ed30 with all his mods, and yes its faster, sounds the bussines, but figure of 315-320 are way way out imo. We saw 4-5 std GTi 5's today producing stock readings.
You have a talent being able to launch an ed30 from a standing start Vtec, im sure you in the hands of any of the modded ed30's would produce simular results, but i really cant see Revo giving nearly 40bhp then other mapping companys. They even said, that 315+ is "Very Poptimistic" with the mods that have been done to your Vehical.
You must either come south, with blue_182 aswell, or try DD rollers.
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Ok so what figures do expect to see from a Bluefin only ED30?
Ditto REVO?
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Bluefin should make at least 290 and Revo just over 300..
As for driver skill mate, I have DSG, so once off the line makes bog all difference. My 60ft times in the ED30 are no better than most average drivers (2.3) as it's a pig to launch, so it's not the launch..
I would love to have a run against Phil's car, even on a rolling start. As judging by JKM's results he should be with me most of the way. But going off what my ED30 was like standard, I very much doubt it.. NO offence to Phil of course (any standard ED30 DSG would do) :wink:
In fact i'm at Pod next sat if anyone fancies it...?
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I would of liked to mate. But just was to far for me and had stuff on..
If JKM's rollers are 100%, WITHOUT A DOUBT, BANG ON! Then there will be a lot of Tuning companies that will be in trouble with Trading Standards.. :grin: And someone needs to explain to me how a 270bhp ED30 can do 0-100 in 11 secs and see off A LOT of bigger powered machinery.. :huh:
I don't think anyone is saying a well setup ED30 with the Revo Stg 1 and a TBE will only achieve 250-270bhp, even mine with only a very generic remap and a better filter got 277.7bhp.
If we can get another RR day in the midlands or not too far north then I will be happy to come along to give some form of comparison. :smiley:
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Bluefin should make at least 290 and Revo just over 300..
As for driver skill mate, I have DSG, so once off the line makes bog all difference. My 60ft times in the ED30 are no better than most average drivers (2.3) as it's a pig to launch, so it's not the launch..
I would love to have a run against Phil's car, even on a rolling start. As judging by JKM's results he should be with me most of the way. But going off what my ED30 was like standard, I very much doubt it.. NO offence to Phil of course (any standard ED30 DSG would do) :wink:
In fact i'm at Pod next sat if anyone fancies it...?
Your right - however from today it seems that these figures are realistically unachievable - be that due to the atmospheric conditions/temperature etc etc etc. I'm sure in theory they can be achieved. Don't tuners quote hp gains that can only be achieved in completely ideal conditions - conditions that are nearly impossible to achieve in real life? But as we learnt today, every single car is different...so you may have a goodun' :smiley: :smiley:
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i would of thought that all remappers would give very simular figures, but given the way the torque curves changed shape between maps was a simularity i noticed today
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we will see what we get at the end of the month with the revo lot :wink: me,Ben,Gaz,I have come from a leon cupra r running stage 2 APR and that was making 270bhp and i had it on lots of rollers and it always came out pretty much bang on every time and my ED30 pulls alot harder than that ever did :smiley:
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/rollingroad/graph/rr.scn_18.11.06/leadbitter2.jpg
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/rollingroad/photo/rr.scn_18.11.06/leadbitter.JPG
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Ok so what figures do expect to see from a Bluefin only ED30?
Ditto REVO?
if im completely honest i dont care LOL, as i will never go on one, and never beat one from the lights :laugh: , its how they feel on the road thats important for me
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Bluefin should make at least 290 and Revo just over 300..
As for driver skill mate, I have DSG, so once off the line makes bog all difference. My 60ft times in the ED30 are no better than most average drivers (2.3) as it's a pig to launch, so it's not the launch..
I would love to have a run against Phil's car, even on a rolling start. As judging by JKM's results he should be with me most of the way. But going off what my ED30 was like standard, I very much doubt it.. NO offence to Phil of course (any standard ED30 DSG would do) :wink:
In fact i'm at Pod next sat if anyone fancies it...?
Your right - however from today it seems that these figures are realistically unachievable - be that due to the atmospheric conditions/temperature etc etc etc. I'm sure in theory they can be achievevd. Don't tuners quote hp gains that can only be achieved in completely ideal conditions - conditions that are nearly impossible to achieve in real life? But as we learnt today, every single car is different...so you may have a goodun' :smiley: :smiley:
My car was run on a hot day in June mate and you guys on a cold day in Oct, so it should favour you if anything. But I see what you're saying bud..
Mine isn't a 'Good un' or any better than others with the same mods, as others with same mods have achieved same power mate, in fact a bloody load have (including Cupra's too)..
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dont suppose anyone recorded their whp figures?
DD graphs don't give this info as it don't show drive train losses.
just flywheel figures for bhp and torque.
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Definitely vtec, I look forward to seeing your results. I hope that you get towards the 300's, as I think its pretty cheeky of tuners to quote figures if they can't be achieved.
I'll be getting Revo in a matter of days - so I hope that I can achieve a decent figure too, but also a decent curve that results in the driveability of the car being excellent.
Shame you couldnt make it today, Id have liked to have met you and seen your car in real life :smiley:
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to be honest, todays figures were not THAT bad.
1 or maybe 2 cars had their moments, but majority were ok and near what was expected.
At the end of the day, RR figures is all pub talk. Out on the road how it drives, "butt dyno" is how the car should be judged.
Mine goes well and i love it!
Considering VA pretty much MATCHED the performance of Stage 3 BT cars at GTI International, I don't doubt his car is running over 300bhp.
Don't you just love RR days! :grin: :grin:
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Ok so the superchips headline figure is 307hp - great eh? Well not so I'm afraid, like REVO their results are flawed -
http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/VW%20Golf%20Edition30%20DSG.pdf
The ED30 starts with a healthy 245 on their rollers so already it's 'found' 17hp over stock figures. So if you remove the 'fudge factor' then actually it's closer to 290hp
Revo don't have graphs for the ED30 but when they released 200ps TFSi software they were quoting 262hp however the starting figure was nearly 214 so again 17hp over the correct figure. http://www.revotechnik.com/aboutRevo/news/fsi20.aspx
Please don't get me started on the REVO quoted figures as I have been to several RR's including the ones that REVO used and quite clearly proved the figures are rubbish. You need to liken the tuners quoted figures to explaining the size of your kn0b to a woman in a bar, your selling it so it's going to be bigger and better than it really is but you need to seal the deal and make yourself stand out more than the guy in the blue shirt with the blonde hair and blue eyes.
I'm not saying that JKM's rollers are the be all and end all but if you put a row of stock cars on there and they make stock power then it can't be too far out can it. Also if they read as low as you suspect, perhaps what 15 or 20hp then does that mean i have a 280hp K03 car?? - I don't think so.
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Well what can I say to add to this little lot really,....
Firstly, huge thanks to Phil (aka Steve) for setting up the day as it was great to actually put names to faces, although I did find it a bit odd having to call Danny the Cookie Monster!!! :grin:
Now for the nasty bit, my results, I always felt that 307bhp claim made by Superchips was a tad out of this world although didn't expect the results to be as low as mine, must admit though there must be somthing wrong as Jim @ JKM confirmed that my standard map would return around 230-235 after a few hundred miles. However, 252bhp must mean there is something wrong and rest assured I will be at Superchips HQ first thing Monday morning with my car :angry:I'm serious!!!! :angry:
I can't believe these boys can get away with laying claims like they are,...not when we all have to work so hard to afford the re maps!!!
JKM think I will need a new file loaded although I'm going to get Superchips to do it, so if anyone is around first thing Monday 6/10, I'll be in Buckingham shoving my car way up the a~~e of Superchips until they get it sorted!
Other than that, what a day, let's do it again some day soon!
Great to meet you all by the way, cracking bunch of guys & Girls!!!
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Well what can I say to add to this little lot really,....
Firstly, huge thanks to Phil (aka Steve) for setting up the day as it was great to actually put names to faces, although I did find it a bit odd having to call Danny the Cookie Monster!!! :grin:
Now for the nasty bit, my results, I always felt that 307bhp claim made by Superchips was a tad out of this world although didn't expect the results to be as low as mine, must admit though there must be somthing wrong as Jim @ JKM confirmed that my standard map would return around 230-235 after a few hundred miles. However, 252bhp must mean there is something wrong and rest assured I will be at Superchips HQ first thing Monday morning with my car :angry:I'm serious!!!! :angry:
I can't believe these boys can get away with laying claims like they are,...not when we all have to work so hard to afford the re maps!!!
JKM think I will need a new file loaded although I'm going to get Superchips to do it, so if anyone is around first thing Monday 6/10, I'll be in Buckingham shoving my car way up the a~~e of Superchips until they get it sorted!
Other than that, what a day, let's do it again some day soon!
Great to meet you all by the way, cracking bunch of guys & Girls!!!
im guessing theres no chance they put a normal gti's map on ?
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Also if they read as low as you suspect, perhaps what 15 or 20hp then does that mean i have a 280hp K03 car?? - I don't think so.
Didn't your mate Mike's vRS make 280+ on the last RR day there with similar mods to you? :huh:
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thats makefish ben, he had more mods then stu had b4 he sold it,
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Steve had a few more extra's as Phil says, he also had a 'custom' fuel pump file written on his car by REVO.
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piccies LINK up in the VW Chat section thread :wink:
anyone want a High res one of theres, PM me an email address and Piccy number :nerd:
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thats makefish ben, he had more mods then stu had b4 he sold it,
What other mods did he have? :huh: There's not a great deal Stu hasn't got.. :grin: Next step would be bigger turbo i'd of thought.. :huh:
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Is it my imagination, or do some remapped ED30 owners get all touchy if their "claimed" BHP figures are found to be far from the truth... :smug:
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I'm not getting touchy, mine wasn't on the rollers :smug:...
Just merely saying that it doesn't add up, that's all.. Unless Revo's Ed30's defy the laws of physics of course.. :grin:
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Is it my imagination, or do some remapped ED30 owners get all touchy if their "claimed" BHP figures are found to be far from the truth... :smug:
i think you would when you pay good money for a map that does not give the power it should as its a false claim by the tuner so they should be sude :angry:
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Is it my imagination, or do some remapped ED30 owners get all touchy if their "claimed" BHP figures are found to be far from the truth... :smug:
i think you would when you pay good money for a map that does not give the power it should as its a false claim by the tuner so they should be sude :angry:
Thats right, surely trading standards would have an issue with this. The remappers should state something like "A minimum of XXXBHP" with this product, and prove it with a RR graph showing before and after in black and white for the customer. I still have no idea why the remaps are around the £500 mark, surely they should come down in price now with the model at the end of its production run?
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Is it my imagination, or do some remapped ED30 owners get all touchy if their "claimed" BHP figures are found to be far from the truth... :smug:
i think you would when you pay good money for a map that does not give the power it should as its a false claim by the tuner so they should be sude :angry:
Thats right, surely trading standards would have an issue with this. The remappers should state something like "A minimum of XXXBHP" with this product, and prove it with a RR graph showing before and after in black and white for the customer. I still have no idea why the remaps are around the £500 mark, surely they should come down in price now with the model at the end of its production run?
Because who's to say that the RR it is tested on is 100% accurate, whether it be Awesome, JKM or however...
Once the Mk6 is out or another variant of the VAG 4 pot turbo engine is out. Then I have no doubt it will come down. As the 1.8T map has..
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Is it my imagination, or do some remapped ED30 owners get all touchy if their "claimed" BHP figures are found to be far from the truth... :smug:
you saying there claims are claims :shocked:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/ben_87/skipscolour.jpg)
:wink:
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Is it my imagination, or do some remapped ED30 owners get all touchy if their "claimed" BHP figures are found to be far from the truth... :smug:
i think you would when you pay good money for a map that does not give the power it should as its a false claim by the tuner so they should be sude :angry:
Matt (off topic I know), but what time are you leaving home tomorrow morning (assuming you are still off?). As I am out on the piss tonight and there's always the risk I may not make it.. :grin: Just don't want to not turn up/let you down that's all.
If you can PM me your mobile number, i'll let you know in the morning for sure if that's ok? :wink:
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Is it my imagination, or do some remapped ED30 owners get all touchy if their "claimed" BHP figures are found to be far from the truth... :smug:
you saying there claims are claims :shocked:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/ben_87/skipscolour.jpg)
:wink:
:grin: How long did it take you to do that?... LOL
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not my handywork, but i was expected to post it :wink:
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Is it my imagination, or do some remapped ED30 owners get all touchy if their "claimed" BHP figures are found to be far from the truth... :smug:
you saying there claims are claims :shocked:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/ben_87/skipscolour.jpg)
:wink:
ROLF, Pure genius chuff :laugh: :laugh:
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Is it my imagination, or do some remapped ED30 owners get all touchy if their "claimed" BHP figures are found to be far from the truth... :smug:
i think you would when you pay good money for a map that does not give the power it should as its a false claim by the tuner so they should be sude :angry:
Thats right, surely trading standards would have an issue with this. The remappers should state something like "A minimum of XXXBHP" with this product, and prove it with a RR graph showing before and after in black and white for the customer. I still have no idea why the remaps are around the £500 mark, surely they should come down in price now with the model at the end of its production run?
money for old rope, its silly what they get away with charging
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
thats funny and look what apr map should be
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/vw%20golfmk5/remaps.html
pm sent Ben
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Do you think the APR map will be more consistent with achieving 245 hp in the real world? Interesting that they quote a lower figure for a stock GTI than the rest (245).
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Is it my imagination, or do some remapped ED30 owners get all touchy if their "claimed" BHP figures are found to be far from the truth... :smug:
you saying there claims are claims :shocked:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/ben_87/skipscolour.jpg)
:wink:
:grin: How long did it take you to do that?... LOL
you got the colour skips in the wrong order!!!! :laugh: :laugh:. good effort! , there were only 2 white skips not 3!! :lipsrsealed: :wink:
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and you fcuked ya quote up :grin:
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LMAO thats funny! :wink:
Great CS skills whoever did that !
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you got the colour skips in the wrong order!!!! :laugh: :laugh:. good effort! , there were only 2 white skips not 3!! :lipsrsealed: :wink:
I thought that was meant to be the silver GTI?
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you got the colour skips in the wrong order!!!! :laugh: :laugh:. good effort! , there were only 2 white skips not 3!! :lipsrsealed: :wink:
I thought that was meant to be the silver GTI?
Correctamundo :wink:
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i was just testing chuff :wink:
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Is it my imagination, or do some remapped ED30 owners get all touchy if their "claimed" BHP figures are found to be far from the truth... :smug:
you saying there claims are claims :shocked:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/ben_87/skipscolour.jpg)
:wink:
:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: TT will be pleased RedRobin has taken his open fogs off.
Nice one Chuff this thread was getting like groung hog day.
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/groundhog_day.jpg)
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If we can get another RR day in the midlands or not too far north then I will be happy to come along to give some form of comparison. :smiley:
Is Prosport in Stockport too far north?
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If we can get another RR day in the midlands or not too far north then I will be happy to come along to give some form of comparison. :smiley:
Is Prosport in Stockport too far north?
It's at least 150-160 miles from me so for this month yes it's just a bit too far :undecided:
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We need a DD rolling road in the Birmingham area i think everyone would turn up. :smiley:
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:afro:
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i think i have asked before, but where you based Steve ?
If we can get another RR day in the midlands or not too far north then I will be happy to come along to give some form of comparison. :smiley:
Is Prosport in Stockport too far north?
It's at least 150-160 miles from me so for this month yes it's just a bit too far :undecided:
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We need a DD rolling road in the Birmingham area i think everyone would turn up. :smiley:
Will this do TC?
http://www.pumabuild.co.uk/road.htm
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More can be found here -
http://www.dyno.com.au/dyno/controller/locator/showDealers
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We need a DD rolling road in the Birmingham area i think everyone would turn up. :smiley:
Will this do TC?
http://www.pumabuild.co.uk/road.htm
It looks like it has everything we need the secretary looks ok as well. :tongue:
Can the boys from dern sauth make it past Watford gap though. :smug:
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As long as the dates were suitable I'd make the effort.
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As long as the dates were suitable I'd make the effort.
Yeh i agree, i will keep bumping it back up see what the bigwigs think. :smiley:
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It'd be good to back to my hometown and do a RR there too. Would be interesting to see if there were any discrepancies in the results from JKM.
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As long as the dates were suitable I'd make the effort.
Yeh i agree, i will keep bumping it back up see what the bigwigs think. :smiley:
Good idea TC, I'd be up for another RR day around the midlands. :smiley:
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i think i have asked before, but where you based Steve ?
Northamptonshire mate.
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well there is this..
http://www.r32oc.com/oc-events/6730-mkv-meet-weston-performance-rr-day-sat-1st-nov-08-a.html#post69354
just waiting to see what he says about our tractionally challenged 2wd cousins attending :grin:
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well there is this..
http://www.r32oc.com/oc-events/6730-mkv-meet-weston-performance-rr-day-sat-1st-nov-08-a.html#post69354
just waiting to see what he says about our tractionally challenged 2wd cousins attending :grin:
If Topher can convince our heighweight and less agile brethren for us to join in, is anyone else (especially the Revo owners) up for this?? :smiley:
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well there is this..
http://www.r32oc.com/oc-events/6730-mkv-meet-weston-performance-rr-day-sat-1st-nov-08-a.html#post69354
just waiting to see what he says about our tractionally challenged 2wd cousins attending :grin:
If Topher can convince our heighweight and less agile brethren for us to join in, is anyone else (especially the Revo owners) up for this?? :smiley:
1st of November, bl00dy hell, do you lot want blood?
I already owe 10hrs from swapping a shift on the 31st October to go to the Manchester meet and now you want me to go down to the south of Birmingham the following day and then go on a 10hrs shift again!! :sad:
I'll see if I can get to one of the dyno's in Wakey or Leeds to satisfy you lot, but I must say that my results have varied more than most and it is only now that the car is running okay (touch wood!) that things are coming together. The RR day I went on last week was very good and in the link below it gives some idea of their dyno's accuracy and how they set it up. Also you will find in the link that they are one of the first choice dyno's for race teams and car manufacturers, so they have to give accurate results. :smiley:
http://www.noblemotorsport.co.uk/rolling_road.html
Oh, and for me, when a guy in a "spirited" convoy with a tuned Skyline gets out of his car at the end of it and says "f**k me your car's quick", my car has to have a good few horsies :grin:
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well there is this..
http://www.r32oc.com/oc-events/6730-mkv-meet-weston-performance-rr-day-sat-1st-nov-08-a.html#post69354
just waiting to see what he says about our tractionally challenged 2wd cousins attending :grin:
....I'd be up for this (Revo Stage2 on DSG Mk5 GTI with Quaife - Tractionally very cool!)
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as you have all seen my results too were pretty disappointing, not overly bothered as car still runs really well am now just curious on what one with 40-50bhp more aka revo map will feel like.
will have words with them and if no success i will try a new one out, its obviously bluefin as correct me or not stevep with just a map got 278bhp on same rollers and mine with map and milltek tbe only acheived 271bhp, :huh:
ill put my graph up on monday, but it was not quite as noticeable as tellboys but both jinks in the curve were around the same point of the run, and needless to say nothing like this:
http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/VW%20Golf%20Edition30%20DSG.pdf
great day out though, nice to meet you all and thanks again to steve for organizing
ps and the sticker
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About time I said a big thankyou to Steve aka Phil for his organising - It was very well ordered without feeling over controlled - A great relaxed atmosphere.
Sorry I didn't get the chance to say goodbye properly to a lot of people - I took SteveP out for a Milltek demo.
:afro: :cool: :afro:
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Gutted I missed this :(
So no manual ed30 bluefin ran then :( I hope mine is achieving closer to the quoted 300 than the DSGs.
I might have to try and sort a dyno run to see what I get.
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Gutted I missed this :(
So no manual ed30 bluefin ran then :( I hope mine is achieving closer to the quoted 300 than the DSGs.
I might have to try and sort a dyno run to see what I get.
I think that might be a good idea as all the stock manual and DSG ED30 ran near identical figures on JKM's dyno. :undecided:
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Gutted I missed this :(
So no manual ed30 bluefin ran then :( I hope mine is achieving closer to the quoted 300 than the DSGs.
I might have to try and sort a dyno run to see what I get.
yours still feel good and smooth on the road like mine mate ? (im manual by the way)
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Lee. you need to get your map checked out, got a feeling theres abit of a pattern developing where Bluefins maps are not cracked up to what they say they are. You may be being optimistic if you think yours in pulled towards 300bhp.Your car goes very simular to GTijames car , so 275-280 is more realistic. I like you to proove me wrong on this one, but if you can mate go down there one day , ill come down aswell.
(Hurdy hasnt dismissed a visit aswell :wink:) at some stage :smiley:
Shame you couldnt come down, If i had a Bluefin after this weekends results, i would certainly be very Pi$$ed off. Like shaun said, shame there wasnt a Revo ed30 there so it would of put any icing on the cake.
What was clear though there wasnt any difference whether the car was manual or DSG whether it was standard or Remapped.
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Lee. you need to get your map checked out, got a feeling theres abit of a pattern developing where Bluefins maps are not cracked up to what they say they are. You may be being optimistic if you think yours in pulled towards 300bhp.Your car goes very simular to GTijames car , so 275-280 is more realistic. I like you to proove me wrong on this one, but if you can mate go down there one day , ill come down aswell.
(Hurdy hasnt dismissed a visit aswell :wink:) at some stage :smiley:
Shame you couldnt come down, If i had a Bluefin after this weekends results, i would certainly be very Pi$$ed off. Like shaun said, shame there wasnt a Revo ed30 there so it would of put any icing on the cake.
im not pi***** off about having a Bluefin, it still feels that same as before the results from JKM, im interested in trying a Revo map but im not sure there will be any physical difference
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The difference is visable in the a balance torque curve rather then being up n down as the Bluefin maps seem to be. What you want is a steady high as possible flat torque curve.So the feeling of accelation is a good a feeling like when you first nail it when in a Powerful car.
ie just like steveP's graph, rather then Chungsters or Telboys ( not sure whether hes posted his yet)
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The difference is visable in the a balance torque curve rather then being up n down as the Bluefin maps seem to be. What you want is a steady high as possible flat torque curve.So the feeling of accelation is a good a feeling like when you first nail it when in a Powerful car.
ie just like steveP's graph, rather then Chungsters or Telboys ( not sure whether hes posted his yet)
chungsters is Revo though isnt it ?
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but thats how SC do their maps tho (unlike others). They just take the standard map (which gives flat torque curve between 2k rpm and 5.5k rpm) and bumps it up by 20% or whatever. So their revised map will give a very similar looking torque curve to the standard one.
The other tuners do their maps differently. Some like to give u a quick sharp burst of torque.
doesn't mean its not as good having a more curvy curve! in most cases, the curvier one will still have more torque over the flatter looking one, over a good "useable" part of the rev range.
just my own view of course!
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As a comparison (different rollers I know), this is a Revo ED30 graph..
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7780/ryanvc9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/ryanvc9.jpg/1/w733.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img143/ryanvc9.jpg/1/)
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im interested in trying a Revo map but im not sure there will be any physical difference
As I said previously Shaun. If you want a run out in mine, you're more than welcome. After all, you'reonly down the road.. :wink:
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The difference is visable in the a balance torque curve rather then being up n down as the Bluefin maps seem to be. What you want is a steady high as possible flat torque curve.So the feeling of accelation is a good a feeling like when you first nail it when in a Powerful car.
ie just like steveP's graph, rather then Chungsters or Telboys ( not sure whether hes posted his yet)
chungsters is Revo though isnt it ?
yes both redrobin and chungster's are Revo, high initial Torque, good shoove but torque drops away with the smaller turbo.
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With most remaps I've seen on the ED30 there is a big torque hump and then it drops off back to below 300lbft by 5k revs.
These are some of the power graphs for the Awesome RR day in June
Ben's Revo'd graph
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/rollingroad/graph/rr.gti_070608/ryan.jpg
GIAC graph
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/rollingroad/graph/rr.gti_070608/robertson.jpg
Gaz's APR map
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/rollingroad/graph/rr.gti_070608/butler.jpg
Standard map
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/rollingroad/graph/rr.gti_070608/oldfield.jpg
Cue the controversy :wink:
Oh and mine for comparison. Custom code phase 2+ (like T88OMM)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/lowdownvw%20rr%20day/NobleRRday27092008a.jpg)
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I'll try and get an overlay plotted on the same graph to show how they compare when I get some time :cool:
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yes both redrobin and chungster's are Revo, high initial Torque, good shoove but torque drops away with the smaller turbo.
....That's right - The bigger K04 turbo has that advantage. However, I don't mind my torque drops relatively earlier to the Ed30 - I prefer to keep my driving licence!
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well there is this..
http://www.r32oc.com/oc-events/6730-mkv-meet-weston-performance-rr-day-sat-1st-nov-08-a.html#post69354
just waiting to see what he says about our tractionally challenged 2wd cousins attending :grin:
....I'd be up for this (Revo Stage2 on DSG Mk5 GTI with Quaife - Tractionally very cool!)
I'd love to see your car up close chap. Very nice motor! If you fancy coming along come over to the dark side and sign up to R32OC lol ;-)
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Should have put my results in this thread:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/stealthwolf/stockcurvechop.jpg)
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^^^^
More proof from stealthwolf on how accurate JKM's dyno is for stock cars - Matches VW's stated 230 bhp pretty closely.
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TT is alive.. care to join me in the "I told you so" dance re: bluefin, sir?
(http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~dv8r/mc-hammer.gif) (http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~dv8r/mc-hammer.gif) (http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~dv8r/mc-hammer.gif)
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TT is alive.. care to join me in the "I told you so" dance re: bluefin, sir?
(http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~dv8r/mc-hammer.gif) (http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~dv8r/mc-hammer.gif) (http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~dv8r/mc-hammer.gif)
i can't believe he's not posted on this thread yet to share his views!!!!
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TT is alive.. care to join me in the "I told you so" dance re: bluefin, sir?
(http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~dv8r/mc-hammer.gif) (http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~dv8r/mc-hammer.gif) (http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~dv8r/mc-hammer.gif)
really helpful to the present Bluefin owners
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TT is alive.. care to join me in the "I told you so" dance re: bluefin, sir?
(http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~dv8r/mc-hammer.gif) (http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~dv8r/mc-hammer.gif) (http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~dv8r/mc-hammer.gif)
really helpful to the present Bluefin owners
....Good point!
Next week should see some updates about people's situations or grievances.
:afro:
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TT is alive.. care to join me in the "I told you so" dance re: bluefin, sir?
really helpful to the present Bluefin owners
....Good point!
Next week should see some updates about people's situations or grievances.
:afro:
yeh, TBH who need a Smug "person !!" saying i told you so, just gets up my nose TBH, me and a few others have spent a fair few quid on these remaps and this just doesnt help
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TT is alive.. care to join me in the "I told you so" dance re: bluefin, sir?
really helpful to the present Bluefin owners
....Good point!
Next week should see some updates about people's situations or grievances.
:afro:
yeh, TBH who need a Smug "person !!" saying i told you so, just gets up my nose TBH, me and a few others have spent a fair few quid on these remaps and this just doesnt help
but why take it so personally if you are happy with the product and it works fine on your car?
i mean me and RR didn't get the "claimed" numbers but we both feel it works fine and goes damn well on the road!
just go out there and enjoy your car. :smiley:
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Don't worry about the ribbing Blue and Telboy.
I took a bit when my ED30 was beaten by 1bhp at Awesome by Gaz :smiley:
I only found out later that the map had reverted back to safe mode. Now look at my results :cool:
Not forgetting the horrible "clutch slip" era (and it did feel like an ERA!! :sick:) and the banter that went with it.
Everyone can get some issues with outputs, but it is the "seat of the pants dyno" that you need to enjoy :wink:
Eventually things get sorted. You just need to keep the faith :cool:
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TT is alive.. care to join me in the "I told you so" dance re: bluefin, sir?
really helpful to the present Bluefin owners
....Good point!
Next week should see some updates about people's situations or grievances.
:afro:
yeh, TBH who need a Smug "person !!" saying i told you so, just gets up my nose TBH, me and a few others have spent a fair few quid on these remaps and this just doesnt help
but why take it so personally if you are happy with the product and it works fine on your car?
i mean me and RR didn't get the "claimed" numbers but we both feel it works fine and goes damn well on the road!
just go out there and enjoy your car. :smiley:
im not taking it personally, i just feel such comments help nobody
ps, im no superchips fanboy, its no great secret i have been considering a Revo for a month or so now (although there figures arent much better than the Bluefins on JKM's rollers), that said i still say the Bluefin feels fine on the road, , anyway i will keep my gob shut
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Don't worry about the ribbing Blue and Telboy.
I took a bit when my ED30 was beaten by 1bhp at Awesome by Gaz :smiley:
I only found out later that the map had reverted back to safe mode. Now look at my results :cool:
Not forgetting the horrible "clutch slip" era (and it did feel like an ERA!! :sick:) and the banter that went with it.
Everyone can get some issues with outputs, but it is the "seat of the pants dyno" that you need to enjoy :wink:
Eventually things get sorted. You just need to keep the faith :cool:
yup. never underestimate the the accuracy of the "butt dyno". :wink:
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RR - we will have to agree to disagree , I for one have never believed either Awesome or JKM have shown 'true' results just because they either match or dont the OE declared power figure. Not to mention they shouldnt match as OE figures are taken with the engine out of the car in very diff conditions!
Hurdy - nice post , I think we have a wealth of information to celebrate , esp rolling road figures.
Nice comparison graphs
As you say you took the 'era' in your stride and are to be congratulated for the way you did so when it didnt go to plan all the time.
theres more RR days to come , so its gonna be fun :grin:
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TT is alive.. care to join me in the "I told you so" dance re: bluefin, sir?
really helpful to the present Bluefin owners
....Good point!
Next week should see some updates about people's situations or grievances.
:afro:
yeh, TBH who need a Smug "person !!" saying i told you so, just gets up my nose TBH, me and a few others have spent a fair few quid on these remaps and this just doesnt help
Do tell us robin why you were smiling so much in this pic??? :wink:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s264/philmcavity/100_1411.jpg)
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I'm not really interested in getting involved in the REVO vs Bluefin debate but I do think you should bear in mind that they are different products with slightly different aims.
BF - Designed to be sold to virtually anyone anywhere in the world who has acces to a postal delivery and the internet. It provides a nice increase over stock with the minimum of effort and hassle.
REVO - I've said this many times before, much more suited to those that wish to take their car further, the ability for the user to adjust and modify the boost, timing and fuel makes it a very adaptable remap that will evolve as your car does. Downside, well it requires a visit to a dealer for installation and you need to buy the Select Plus to realise it's true potential.
Lets not all be so hasty in bashing the BF boys, SC are a decent company and I am sure they will be interested in helping their customers.
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I'm not really interested in getting involved in the REVO vs Bluefin debate but I do think you should bear in mind that they are different products with slightly different aims.
BF - Designed to be sold to virtually anyone anywhere in the world who has acces to a postal delivery and the internet. It provides a nice increase over stock with the minimum of effort and hassle.
REVO - I've said this many times before, much more suited to those that wish to take their car further, the ability for the user to adjust and modify the boost, timing and fuel makes it a very adaptable remap that will evolve as your car does. Downside, well it requires a visit to a dealer for installation and you need to buy the Select Plus to realise it's true potential.
Lets not all be so hasty in bashing the BF boys, SC are a decent company and I am sure they will be interested in helping their customers.
Very well put Stu, I couldn't agree more :afro:
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I'm not really interested in getting involved in the REVO vs Bluefin debate but I do think you should bear in mind that they are different products with slightly different aims.
BF - Designed to be sold to virtually anyone anywhere in the world who has acces to a postal delivery and the internet. It provides a nice increase over stock with the minimum of effort and hassle.
REVO - I've said this many times before, much more suited to those that wish to take their car further, the ability for the user to adjust and modify the boost, timing and fuel makes it a very adaptable remap that will evolve as your car does. Downside, well it requires a visit to a dealer for installation and you need to buy the Select Plus to realise it's true potential.
Lets not all be so hasty in bashing the BF boys, SC are a decent company and I am sure they will be interested in helping their customers.
Very well put Stu, I couldn't agree more :afro:
Such a constructive post :smiley:, nice one Stu
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^^^ Fully agree here, no remappers at all in the Channel Islands, so I'd have to use a BF if i wanted an upgrade.
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Do tell us robin why you were smiling so much in this pic??? :wink:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s264/philmcavity/100_1411.jpg)
....I was amused by you taking pics of the others and that they didn't realise.
:afro:
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TT is alive.. care to join me in the "I told you so" dance re: bluefin, sir?
(http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~dv8r/mc-hammer.gif) (http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~dv8r/mc-hammer.gif) (http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~dv8r/mc-hammer.gif)
i can't believe he's not posted on this thread yet to share his views!!!!
What more can I say that I aint already said before about SuperSh!ts junk! :rolleyes:
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TT is alive.. care to join me in the "I told you so" dance re: bluefin, sir?
really helpful to the present Bluefin owners
....Good point!
Next week should see some updates about people's situations or grievances.
:afro:
yeh, TBH who need a Smug "person !!" saying i told you so, just gets up my nose TBH, me and a few others have spent a fair few quid on these remaps and this just doesnt help
Erm - if that comment is aimed at me, then lighten up a bit. I don't ever think I have got "personal" with you over Superchips. I merely post my own point of views, based on my masses of years of experience in the motor trade, and backed up by my wealth of qualifications and ongoing studies. :rolleyes:
But I do repeatedly see complaints about Superchips stuff, and I think that my repeated "rantings" about SC have consistenly been backed up by many, many different VAG forums. Coupled that with the proven lies which SC have on their website, and I personally think it is right that SC get exposed for what they are. As I have repeatedly said, if they remove their lies from their website, and thoroughly develop their maps properly, without trying to hoodwink the majority of the innocent "joe public", then all of this "bad karma" against Superchips will be a thing of the past. :rolleyes:
I certainly don't wish to have any personal gripes or attacks at anyone, including your good self. As others have said, if you are happy with yours, then isn't that all that should really matter? At the end of the day though, I aint responsible for how others spend their hard earned wonga. :smiley: :smiley: