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Offline Watts

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Re: Full House!
« Reply #30 on: 08 May 2017, 14:15 »
I like the way this thread is going - lots of positivity regardless of flavour of performance Golf being discussed.  :kiss: A breath of fresh air, so many thanks to Exonian for starting it and to his wife for allowing the situation to exist!  :laugh:

Cossieian - not seen you post for a while and the forum isn't the better for it, any updates to you R?
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Re: Full House!
« Reply #31 on: 08 May 2017, 15:28 »
Very nice thread. I'll just pick out two things that I massively agree with: a) The spoilers as well as the front and rear mask look amazing in the flesh and really set the car apart, and b) the alcantara bits and all bespoke interior touches feel sporty in a very classy, integrated German way (think Civic Type R? the opposite  :tongue:), sort of the sense of the car having been designed like that and not having had anything retro-fitted. Of-course the buckets are a big miss but since you didn't order the car you couldn't have it all I guess.

Re the overboost, by now it's been confirmed that you get the 290 practically every time you floor your foot in 3rd and above since it resets when you lift and re-apply so you'd have to really commit yourself to a whole 10 seconds of wide open throttle to feel any power drop. It's hard to find the right conditions for that unless there are some private airfields nearby but if there is one as it is near me and you do a 60-120 run you'll notice the acceleration rate is slightly smaller after 10". Also, the power output gauge will not show the extra KW even in OB mode as the car is homologated as 265, but the boost pressure goes up to 1.2bar (2.2 accounting for atmospheric) and that reads directly from the ECU.

PS. You still have the JB1 from the R? That would put an even nicer smile on your face. A local Maserati GrandTurismo S driver would agree with me on that one, big fun that was  :wink:
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Re: Full House!
« Reply #32 on: 08 May 2017, 17:36 »
Hertsman and Brenbo, that sums it up so well, the GTD is all the car you'd ever need but the R or CS is all the Golf you'd ever want (until something newer and better is released, these marketing execs don't rest on their laurels you know!)

scanesare, your many CS posts have been pretty inspirational in my subconscious mind  :smiley: without your, and a few others here, great enthusiasm for the model it might just have stayed an expensive Golf with a few plastic bits bolted on in my mind. Yourself and a few others made me feel the need to check the Clubsport out.

 Unfortunately the JB1 was sold as I really didn't think I'd be back in a GTI or R any time soon, I used the proceeds to buy a DTUK CRDT3 box for the GTD, looks like I'm going to have to change back the other way again soon  :rolleyes: :laugh:

That looks amazing Exonian, big congrats. The dealership next to me has an identical one to yours but only with the bucket seats and it looks brilliant. I keep going down to check it out and longingly hope that they have reduced the price but not a chance. I registered my interest in it but the salesman reckoned it would be gone pretty quickly. 
Sounds like a few congrats heading back your way are in order :afro:
You'll love the R, was it much price difference to the CS?
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Re: Full House!
« Reply #33 on: 08 May 2017, 17:38 »
Hertsman and Brenbo, that sums it up so well, the GTD is all the car you'd ever need but the R or CS is all the Golf you'd ever want (until something newer and better is released, these marketing execs don't rest on their laurels you know!)

scanesare, your many CS posts have been pretty inspirational in my subconscious mind  :smiley: without your, and a few others here, great enthusiasm for the model it might just have stayed an expensive Golf with a few plastic bits bolted on in my mind. Yourself and a few others made me feel the need to check the Clubsport out.

 Unfortunately the JB1 was sold as I really didn't think I'd be back in a GTI or R any time soon, I used the proceeds to buy a DTUK CRDT3 box for the GTD, looks like I'm going to have to change back the other way again soon  :rolleyes: :laugh:

That looks amazing Exonian, big congrats. The dealership next to me has an identical one to yours but only with the bucket seats and it looks brilliant. I keep going down to check it out and longingly hope that they have reduced the price but not a chance. I registered my interest in it but the salesman reckoned it would be gone pretty quickly. 
Sounds like a few congrats heading back your way are in order :afro:
You'll love the R, was it much price difference to the CS?

The Clubsport was offered at £32k and the R I've got at £28k so a fair difference

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Re: Full House!
« Reply #34 on: 08 May 2017, 18:07 »
A little late to the party but congrats on your new purchase  :whistle:  ENJOY :grin:
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Re: Full House!
« Reply #35 on: 08 May 2017, 18:28 »
Hertsman and Brenbo, that sums it up so well, the GTD is all the car you'd ever need but the R or CS is all the Golf you'd ever want (until something newer and better is released, these marketing execs don't rest on their laurels you know!)

scanesare, your many CS posts have been pretty inspirational in my subconscious mind  :smiley: without your, and a few others here, great enthusiasm for the model it might just have stayed an expensive Golf with a few plastic bits bolted on in my mind. Yourself and a few others made me feel the need to check the Clubsport out.

 Unfortunately the JB1 was sold as I really didn't think I'd be back in a GTI or R any time soon, I used the proceeds to buy a DTUK CRDT3 box for the GTD, looks like I'm going to have to change back the other way again soon  :rolleyes: :laugh:

That looks amazing Exonian, big congrats. The dealership next to me has an identical one to yours but only with the bucket seats and it looks brilliant. I keep going down to check it out and longingly hope that they have reduced the price but not a chance. I registered my interest in it but the salesman reckoned it would be gone pretty quickly. 
Sounds like a few congrats heading back your way are in order :afro:
You'll love the R, was it much price difference to the CS?

The Clubsport was offered at £32k and the R I've got at £28k so a fair difference
blimey!
You'd not give it a second thought for that sort of price difference.
A little late to the party but congrats on your new purchase  :whistle:  ENJOY :grin:
Thank you! :afro:
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Re: Full House!
« Reply #36 on: 12 May 2017, 16:13 »
*update*

For anyone remotely interested in how it compares to the other mk7's I owned in the driving stakes I decided to take the car for a little run out in the early hours of the morning before the sun came up and the half asleep commuters clogged the roads.
Just in the name of research for you lot of course.

I'm no journalist that's just half read the press pack, nodded off through a talk by a VW bigwig and then been let loose under stage managed conditions in a press fleet car. No, I'm just a boring middle aged pen pusher that has a bit of a thing for lightly warmed over VWs. But I might accidentally use a few hackneyed motoring journalist cliches just for effect!

To be perfectly honest I brought the GTI home on Saturday morning, parked it up and have hardly moved it since and that's fairly typical of my vehicle use a lot of the time. Hence why I'd previously decided it was high time to stop wasting so much money on new and newish cars that I hardly used and which depreciated like falling stones so I bought a nice sensible highly discounted GTD for those odd days I did actually need a five seater car to do a long journey in.

There are a few roads near to me that are quite nice driving roads when there are no other cars about. You can't go that fast on them but there's just enough bends and swoopy bits to give you a bit of a challenge and chance for the car to clear its lungs a bit.
One road I used quite often in the early morning to get some miles under the GTD to loosen it up a bit is quite close to where I work and on Friday morning I decided it was time to give the GTI a bit of exercise.

The first bit of road is just fairly wide 30 and 40 mph zones that used to be part of an old major A road that's been bypassed and now being redeveloped, so that's a good place to get the engine warmed up gradually and allows you to vary the revs a bit and play with the responses low down in the rev range.
Next up is a series of roundabouts, all nice and new so good smooth surface and quite sharp bends on and off these roundabouts, then we have a slowish bit through a village and finally a stretch of Roman road to get the oil nice and hot. Turn around at the roundabout before the next town and do the trip in reverse. The sort of roads GTI's were designed for, but definitely no Nurburgring.

The first thing you can tell about the Clubsport when in the warm up stage is that the throttle mapping is quite aggressive. I've not read dozens of magazine road tests on the car but I wouldn't mind betting a lot of journos would have picked up on this.
The engine is unmistakably Golf R in sound and power delivery. Responses are a bit flat until you get over 2000rpm then it just increasingly seems to feel more potent. I don't know if it's the low mileage on my car or whether the dealer put in rubbish fuel but there's a definite lag when coming off the power then back on in the lower mid-range. I didn't remember my R being like that and that car had a bit more weight to lug around. More on the engine in a while.

I'd read in the early press releases that the Clubsport had some bespoke suspension parts and in the early road tests I'd seen there was mention of how fantastic handling the Clubsport is compared to the PP GTI. It turns out that was a bit smoke and mirrors by VW and that journalists tend to believe what they hear in the launch speeches, and they had obviously forgotten how highly rated the GTI PP was when it was released (and when there was no 4WD R to steal its thunder). They've also ignored the rave reviews of the 280 Cupra they'd probably written themselves a year or two before as well, but basically it's a hybrid of those cars that the Clubsport is and no bad thing for that. In fact it's almost a best of both worlds.
Going from the various online resources of part numbers and Jackie Treehorn's table of part numbers elsewhere on here and other forums we can see that the standard Clubsport possibly has unique springs (or possibly Cupra springs even?) but elsewhere underneath it's all pretty much standard PP GTI.
Now having driven my own Clubsport on the same roads as I used to run my GTI PP, my R and my GTD in I can offer up my own opinion. And it is just my opinion from seat of pants science rather than trawling through parts catalogues.
The Clubsport takes the bends really really well. Like the GTI PP if you suddenly change direction sharply then hit the power the dampers can be caught out a bit before the VAQ can rescue the day. So you do get a brief lurch from the suspension at times and a chirp of wheelspin but that all adds to the fun. On the R forum that feeling would be due to the GTI not having the vitally important 4WD showing that it's impossible to put lots of horsepower and torque down in mere front wheel drive. On a GTI forum it's a case of "you can feel what's going on down below" and "in touch with the road surface". Somewhere in the middle of that probably lies the truth.
The standard Clubsport doesn't blast out of the bends and off the roundabouts like a rocket in the mid-range as a DTUK equipped GTD does, it doesn't squat and thrust like an R does and it doesn't punch then go a bit flat like a GTI PP does when you hit the plateau of the power delivery. Again, somewhere in the middle of all that is the Clubsport. You can feel it's down on traction and torque compared to the R (I won't say grip as it will offend Bridgestone haters, and I've come to be familiar with the S001s having had them for a short time on the R, GTD and now ED40). The ED40 does feel like it's had a bit of development in the chassis and engine response area despite it being pretty much a parts bin car underneath the unique body and interior addenda. As Golfs go the Clubsport really does feel quite lively as standard. "Stabbed rat" would be the cliche I'd use for the engine responses (the pedalbox just adds to this and I'm not sure if that's amplifying the bit of lag I mentioned earlier), and "surprisingly lithe" would be how I'd describe the chassis despite the fact on paper it's the same as the GTI PP. Whether the higher powered engine makes the chassis feel more lively than a standard GTI PP I don't know but it definitely feels slightly different. I ran a DTUK box on a GTI and even that didn't feel as lively despite probably similar power outputs.
In real terms over the whole trip, which I can't claim as directly back to back as the GTI PP was chopped in for the R almost dead on two years ago now and the R ended up semi-retired and then sold in late December last year the four cars do feel quite different.
The JB1 equipped R would obviously have stolen the show and yet when I did the same trip in that car it never really broke into a sweat and that's partly what fuelled my wondering about a tuned GTD being just as good as the JB1 R on the actual roads I drive. To get the JB1 R to play you'd need to be doing serious speed.
The DTUK GTD was a great compromise, huge torque out of bends if you had it in the right gear and a lovely cruiser on the open roads, plus it did 40 mpg in town.
The GTI PP was always a massively underrated car and one I remain very fond of. Great on fuel and immensely flexible but a little flat in the higher reaches on the odd days where you're really putting it through its paces.

The Edition 40 on the same roads just seems a lot more playful for some reason. Looking at the parts underneath it's hard to quantify why but in true GTI form I'd say "the sum of the parts is less than the whole". Once the soundaktor was switched to ECO it even sounded good (the one area the Clubsport does have a unique part is the exhaust system), it rides pretty well and the alcantara seats are really grippy, plus the fluffy steering wheel I'm growing to like.

Oh and surprisingly the ED40 actually returned half decent fuel economy on that little run out too, 34mpg on the computer as I parked up; the GTI PP used to get around 35 or 36 on average on that road, the GTD would return low 40's (tight engine) and the R would sometimes hit 30 or even 31.
The steering feels much the same as the GTI PP but the gear change does feel slightly different (better) to the GTI PP and GTD but that could be my imagination.
The one area I was really disappointed in previously was the fact that there is no lower ambient lighting in the car. I'm still not overly happy with that as it's one of the really nice features of the performance Golfs and it' a bit tight of VW depriving non wingback cars of the feature despite going to the effort of fitting a better centre console with air-con ducting. But driving the car on very dark country roads needing 100% concentration the fact that there are no internal reflections in the windows to distract you, or mask hedgerows where foxes and badgers could emerge at any second it's actually quite useful to have just the dials lit up and nothing else (the radio setting was on the additional dials which is a fairly dark monochrome screen).

Yeah, as I said before, it makes me smile.
« Last Edit: 12 May 2017, 16:18 by Exonian »
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Re: Full House!
« Reply #37 on: 12 May 2017, 16:48 »
Great report that Exonian! Saw a CS today for the first time and it did look really good but I can't justify the cost to change right now. Keep the insights coming, be interesting to hear how you feel in a month or two once it's settled in :smiley:
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Re: Full House!
« Reply #38 on: 12 May 2017, 16:49 »
Nice review Exonian, and much more real world coming from someone who has actuallly lived with each of the performance Golfs, rather than a motoring journo who's just gone for a quick blast around a track.

Good to see it made you smile.....make sure you drive it more often than you did the GTI PP, R and GTD  :smiley:
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Re: Full House!
« Reply #39 on: 12 May 2017, 20:43 »
Great post Exonian and interesting to hear your views on the pedal box. I've been sitting on the fence on whether to purchase one as I had one on my previous GTI and loved it but I agree with you the CS throttle response is much better the the std GTI.

Do you think the CS has a sharper pedal response than the R as several rave about the difference the pedal box makes to the R?

Based on your experience so far would you recommend the pedal box for the CS?

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