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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: matt2 on 30 July 2018, 15:16
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Hi
I've searched the forum but there is nothing recent about GTI lead times (time from ordering to delivery).
What does it look like at the moment?
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I was told 14 weeks when we ordered 5 weeks ago.
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I was told 20 to 26 weeks by JCT600 today
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Isn't the factory either on shutdown or on short week due to WLTP testing.
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GTI manual and DSG are officially 17 weeks minimum suggested delivery but dealers with no allocation will add 4 weeks or so to that just in case they can’t place the order till the month later.
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Hi All, new poster here and so apologies in advance should i not be up to speed with all but, i couldn't help but notice the comments relating to delivery times. I was looking forward to visiting my local VW showroom tomorrow for a Golf GTI Performance but alarm bells are now ringing if a realistic delivery date cant be confirmed.
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Think on 20 weeks and if it comes any earlier then you'll be very happy :smiley:
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Hi All, new poster here and so apologies in advance should i not be up to speed with all but, i couldn't help but notice the comments relating to delivery times. I was looking forward to visiting my local VW showroom tomorrow for a Golf GTI Performance but alarm bells are now ringing if a realistic delivery date cant be confirmed.
Thats nothing new so no need to panic as long as you are prepared to wait.
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Think on 20 weeks and if it comes any earlier then you'll be very happy :smiley:
^^^this!
Assuming of course your wait doesn't include German factory shut down and retooling or while VW sort out models and spec vs WLTP....
Normally 20 weeks worst case is what to bank on.
Sound like a long time to you? Seems like a lifetime!
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... and GTD only with DSG and from February 2019...
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Ive just accepted a lease for a GTI Performance 5 Door DSG and the lead time is 12 weeks?
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Must be a stock car and not a factory order then. Factory order will be upwards of 20 weeks possibly even 30.
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Weird it is definitely a factory order. Ive added an option and they said its 12 weeks lead time. Says it in my quote too however they're terms and conditions state they won't be held responsible for delays of the car being delivered? Should i be worried because 12 weeks is the longest i can wait without a car.
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Those will be standard terms and conditions, you can negotiate delivery timescale as part of your deal. Whether they are willing or even able to do that will depend on how much they want your business.
I doubt they will be able to do much with delivery timescales in the current climate, but you should at least be able to cancel without penalty if timescales become much longer than what they've told you.
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I'd be amazed if you get a factory order in 12 weeks. Minimum 20 weeks I would say.
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Yes, 12 weeks is they have stock available (or already in flight)...
Or they are lying :D
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BTW, *every* performance Golf is a factory order.
There is no such thing as VW making one that isn't paid for and letting it sit on an airfield somewhere. Everything is just in time.
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How accurate is the 'on line chat' Fred. I ordered a GTI PP only 3 weeks ago and the on line tracking confirms stage 2...at the factory. The online chat then confirmed the car is currently down to be built WC 24 September which i think is week 39.
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BTW, *every* performance Golf is a factory order.
There is no such thing as VW making one that isn't paid for and letting it sit on an airfield somewhere. Everything is just in time.
Not strictly true. Mine was in stock and available in 7 days. But obviously someone had paid for it!
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How accurate is the 'on line chat' Fred. I ordered a GTI PP only 3 weeks ago and the on line tracking confirms stage 2...at the factory. The online chat then confirmed the car is currently down to be built WC 24 September which i think is week 39.
On line chat gave out incorrect, inaccurate information to some forum members over on uk-polos.net on content of some of the options available on the new Polo, so not all the information obtained via on line chat is accurate.
It’s also not unusual for on-line tracker to be slow to update. There've been instances of customers taking delivery of cars and the tracker is still at stage 5 or 6.
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How accurate is the 'on line chat' Fred. I ordered a GTI PP only 3 weeks ago and the on line tracking confirms stage 2...at the factory. The online chat then confirmed the car is currently down to be built WC 24 September which i think is week 39.
If the tracker shows a build week confirmed then that's usually a fair indicator but that won't be confirmed until 4 weeks before the build week - they plan production on a weekly cycle with 4 weeks lead. At that point they know all of the parts are going to be available to assemble your car.
If its just unofficial, then they don't know sh1t. I'd say they don't know sh1t at this time. All it takes is for one thing to be missing and your production will get rolled back a week....
And VW UK customer service have no more insight into the factory's planning system than you or I do!!!
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I was told yesterday that the VW plant are on a shutdown until 27th September and that if I order a GTI PP now it would not arrive until January (at best)!
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At this time, WLTP testing is the major hangup - even more than the usual summer shutdown...
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I was told yesterday that the VW plant are on a shutdown until 27th September and that if I order a GTI PP now it would not arrive until January (at best)!
VW’s factory in Uitenhage (South Africa) where the new Polo is built has also been on an extended shut down; 2.5 - 3 months from mid May to early this month. Has caused considerable frustration to many who’ve ordered and are waiting for information on confirmed build dates. There were already lengthy wait times before the shut down and the extended shut down has just made the waiting times even longer.
In VW’s customary manner, there’s no information on the reasons for the shut down, although it’s assumed to be WLTP-related and re-tooling for 2019 MY changes.
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I was told yesterday that the VW plant are on a shutdown until 27th September and that if I order a GTI PP now it would not arrive until January (at best)!
The problem being is that every VW retailer tells a different story. As a check i have rang various VW retailers (even in the same group) asking when a new car from factory order can be made available, and they all tell a different story ranging from 17 weeks to 30 weeks.
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Aye, just ordered and put deposit down on a factory build at weekend and estimate is for 31 Jan delivery :sad:
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At this time, WLTP testing is the major hangup - even more than the usual summer shutdown...
What’s all this WLTP testing and will you it affect the power of the new GTI Performance?
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At this time, WLTP testing is the major hangup - even more than the usual summer shutdown...
What’s all this WLTP testing and will you it affect the power of the new GTI Performance?
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/wltp
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volkswagen-wolfsburg-halt-production-1-2-days-week-amid-wltp-delays
Shouldn't affect power of the GTi PP, although it will be gaining a gasoline particulate filter. So far only the R has been confirmed to have reduced performance to comply with WLTP.
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At this time, WLTP testing is the major hangup - even more than the usual summer shutdown...
What’s all this WLTP testing and will you it affect the power of the new GTI Performance?
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/wltp
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volkswagen-wolfsburg-halt-production-1-2-days-week-amid-wltp-delays
Shouldn't affect power of the GTi PP, although it will be gaining a gasoline particulate filter. So far only the R has been confirmed to have reduced performance to comply with WLTP.
The GTI Performance is certainly much cleaner due and absolutely no soot on the exhausts after 1-2 weeks compared to the normal GTI. Guess that's part of fartgate. :grin:
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I get quite a bit of soot on my 7 pp. Didn't get anywhere near the amount on the Gtd. Maybe more soot due to commuting and no long runs recently?
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Same driving and routes. Normal 7.5 GTI exhausts were heavily sooted after 1-2 weeks. Current one on same commute, no soot even up to 3 weeks.
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Aye, just ordered and put deposit down on a factory build at weekend and estimate is for 31 Jan delivery :sad:
Advised today at VW in Manchester that a GTI 245 PP is showing up on the VW data as 27 weeks from order.
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I ordered a 3-door DSG with PP in the last week of July and the dealer showed me the “official” spreadsheet from VW with estimated lead times for all cars and it was showing 16 weeks.
Just spoke with live chat and they informed me I have an unconfirmed build week of week 41. That 16 weeks is looking like a fairly good estimate should that build week be confirmed!
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I’ve just been told that most cars are stuck at late January/early Feb for delivery..,
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Same driving and routes. Normal 7.5 GTI exhausts were heavily sooted after 1-2 weeks. Current one on same commute, no soot even up to 3 weeks.
Actually it was something I've noticed with my "normal" non Performance package May 2018 GTI. I've never cleaned the exhaust tips (other than wipe them over with my mitt when washing the car), and after 4 months not even a touch of soot on the exhaust tips ? I too thought from what I'd read that they would be more "sooty" then on my GTD which always stayed perfectly clean.
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Same driving and routes. Normal 7.5 GTI exhausts were heavily sooted after 1-2 weeks. Current one on same commute, no soot even up to 3 weeks.
Actually it was something I've noticed with my "normal" non Performance package May 2018 GTI. I've never cleaned the exhaust tips (other than wipe them over with my mitt when washing the car), and after 4 months not even a touch of soot on the exhaust tips ? I too thought from what I'd read that they would be more "sooty" then on my GTD which always stayed perfectly clean.
Must have cleaned both models up for 2018! Assuming yours makes the dsg farts as well a just thought it might be related.
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I’ve just been told that most cars are stuck at late January/early Feb for delivery..,
I have an order in place since first week August 18 and must admit i do not expect delivery until late January / February 2019 from what i am being told by the retailer.
I've always changed my cars every 2 years (Audi-top of the range A6 re business) and have never experienced this situation i find myself in albeit i accept Audi are part of the same group. My quality of life is being seriously disrupted with the wait!
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I’ve just been told that most cars are stuck at late January/early Feb for delivery..,
I have an order in place since first week August 18 and must admit i do not expect delivery until late January / February 2019 from what i am being told by the retailer.
I've always changed my cars every 2 years (Audi-top of the range A6 re business) and have never experienced this situation i find myself in albeit i accept Audi are part of the same group. My quality of life is being seriously disrupted with the wait!
Audi lead times are largely the same as VW's - usually about 16-20 weeks. All Audis are factory orders, unless you find dealer stock.
The thing you won't have seen before is the introduction of WLTP.... and that is messing with everyone's production at the moment! Certainly VAG have been reporting more problems than most, I expect due to shared test facilities and the vast model range VAG have across all brands.
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I’ve just been told that most cars are stuck at late January/early Feb for delivery..,
I have an order in place since first week August 18 and must admit i do not expect delivery until late January / February 2019 from what i am being told by the retailer.
I've always changed my cars every 2 years (Audi-top of the range A6 re business) and have never experienced this situation i find myself in albeit i accept Audi are part of the same group. My quality of life is being seriously disrupted with the wait!
Audi lead times are largely the same as VW's - usually about 16-20 weeks. All Audis are factory orders, unless you find dealer stock.
The thing you won't have seen before is the introduction of WLTP.... and that is messing with everyone's production at the moment! Certainly VAG have been reporting more problems than most, I expect due to shared test facilities and the vast model range VAG have across all brands.
Yeah, Audi will quite willing to take a new order for an S4 Avant in July quoting November delivery. Then with a little more persuasion admitted that they couldn't actually place the order until Q1 2019 so likely to be Q2. If only dealers could actually tell the truth!
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Whilst manufacturers have had since September 2017 to get WLTP type approval testing done, because most OEM's have new models each year I think we've hit the perfect storm of MY changes and the hard deadline of 1st September 2018 for WLTP being a requirement for sale.
Even if VAG had done all of the testing from last September, the MY19 models won't have been tested because they are new NOW.
Obviously they could have spotted this problem, but they haven't. Not sure why when the automotive industry are very good at planning...
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I put my order in the beginning of March and being quoted the same time frame. Tempted to look at other options.
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Given all the turmoil, will the introduction of the Mk 8 be pushed back?
If not, I wonder when the final orders for the 7.5 be cut off?
Maybe by the end of 2018?
I can see a big gap in supply stretching through to next year.
Is that good for residuals on existing cars?
“There are more questions than answers”
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With the new Audi A3/S3, new Focus ST, new BMW 140i, and new Mecerdes A35/A45 all due this year or early next year VW need to speed up the Mk8 or they'll lose market share.
I heard Mk8 GTI and R are not due till Q2/Q3 2020 now.
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WLTP is affecting a lot of manufacturers, I'm waiting for an abarth which I ordered in June, the dealer doesn't know when my car will be delivered.
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With the new Audi A3/S3, new Focus ST, new BMW 140i, and new Mecerdes A35/A45 all due this year or early next year VW need to speed up the Mk8 or they'll lose market share.
I heard Mk8 GTI and R are not due till Q2/Q3 2020 now.
I think everyone will see bumps in the road for new models for at least 2019 because of WLTP.
The Mk7 Golf came out in October 2012, with the GTI not available to order in the UK until May 2013 - 7 months... and then deliveries didn't happen until September 2013 if I remember correctly.
Assuming a similar pattern, I'd expect to see the basic Mk8 in October 2019 and the Mk8 GTI revealed May 2020, with UK deliveries from Q3 2020.
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I put my order in the beginning of March and being quoted the same time frame. Tempted to look at other options.
Pretty much unless you are buying something from a dealer forecourt, you'll see the same problems all over.
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I recall reading an article about 6 months ago re the Mk8 Golf. It stated that one of the first models to be released would be the GTI. I think the argument for that was that it didn't want to lose ground on other 'hot hatches' being released around the same time. I'm not sure if that is still the case but just because previous GTIs followed after the standard Golf doesn't mean that it always has to.
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I put my order in the beginning of March and being quoted the same time frame. Tempted to look at other options.
Pretty much unless you are buying something from a dealer forecourt, you'll see the same problems all over.
Wonder if the retailer receives any form of compensation from the manufacturer for delays in taking receipt. I have been to around 12 different garages in the last 6 weeks from VW, Audi, Honda and they all appear to be very quiet with not a lot going on.
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Porsche aren't taking any new orders till next year!
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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volkswagen-deliveries-halted-wltp-emissions-certification
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Ordered my 5dr DSG PP with a few options this Thursday (Aug 30), told 26 weeks...but then the dealer had a slot pre-booked in the new 2019 factory build schedule that I took, so lead time reduced to 17 weeks. I'm hoping just in time for Christmas! We'll see......
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Hi new on the forum and seriously thinking that the GTI PP could be my next car but shocked when visiting the local Dealer today to find lead times of 26/27 weeks whether it be a GTI or R. From what I've seen so far the TCR looks very interesting but with a December announcement it could mean the middle of next summer for delivery if lead times don't improve. Not convinced I can wait that long. Not sure what pre booked slots are but are they likely to have them for the GTI TCR.
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I was in the market for a new GTI PP but 26 weeks has just totally ruled me out.
There doesn’t appear to be any demos around my area either as my local dealer says he can’t get them.
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I keep saying it, 26 weeks for a Golf or what for something else?
Unless you want an Astra that's already parked on an airfield in Bristol.
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I was in the market for a new GTI PP but 26 weeks has just totally ruled me out.
There doesn’t appear to be any demos around my area either as my local dealer says he can’t get them.
Look further afield then... Carwow or Autotrader will help and a long drive to pick up a car isn’t the greatest hardship.
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I just had a regular email from CarWow and logged in as curious to what currently out there. Quite a few new GTIs and GTI PPs available now (or within 2 weeks) on there if you're flexable on spec n colour. I bought mine via there site, then local dealer, a few months back and can't fault this way of doing it.
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Has anyone who ordered in July had their build week confirmed yet?
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These delays are affecting Audi too. I got a call today to say that if I wanted to order a new one that I should know that the S3 isn’t available to order until January. :laugh:
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It's affecting the entire VW Audi group.
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It’s the extent to which it’s affecting VAG which amazes me. The fact you can’t even order it is crazy!
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I wonder if there is any Brexit uncertainty being factored into this on the specific of pricing for cars imported into the UK after 29 Mar 2019????
I hesitate to mention the B word but am surprised that on a German car forum no one as far as I know has brought it up.
A hard Brexit or no deal is surely going to have tariff issues........no?
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PS : to save anyone’s time I fully understand the WLTP issue........
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I don't think br*xit is a factor yet but it probably will be sooner or later.
VW UK would of course like to know what tariffs there will be now so as to adjust their prices because with a 6 month lead there will be a large amount of in flight orders with contracted prices that they won't be able to change when at the last minute tariffs get introduced. Those tariffs will be coming off their profits for the in flight orders.
The issue is currently compounded by the delays and a much greater number of ordered vehicles because of it.
Equally though, I'd guess orders will be down overall, because of br*xit uncertainty with consumers and business.
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It’s the extent to which it’s affecting VAG which amazes me. The fact you can’t even order it is crazy!
Porsche aren't taking any orders either!
If I was in the market for a GTI as quite a few people here seem to be and are asking about, I'd be grabbing a bargain on Autotrader for one with a couple of thousand miles on or less and getting on with driving it instead of moaning about the current situation of 26 week lead time!
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Good for existing residual values??
Has anyone noticed or is this just wishful thinking?
And I wonder if the back order book will push back Mk8 intro date?
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Good for existing residual values??
Has anyone noticed or is this just wishful thinking?
And I wonder if the back order book will push back Mk8 intro date?
Almost certainly my R's value is already holding firm against it's discounted purchase price.
Anyone in the market for any Golf should buy a used Mk7.5 now, the last thing I would do is order a new one at this late stage especially as you may have to wait until early Spring 2019 for delivery?
Heaven knows the effect a no deal Brexit would have on new car imports.
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Going to be an interesting 12m in more ways than one.
Surely UK dealers are going to suffer massively!
The effects of all the different pressures are unknown and unprecedented.
Just glad I’ve got my GTI!
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If I was in the market for a GTI as quite a few people here seem to be and are asking about, I'd be grabbing a bargain on Autotrader for one with a couple of thousand miles on or less and getting on with driving it instead of moaning about the current situation of 26 week lead time!
Exactly.
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I have just ordered a 7.5 gti pp and have been told the build week is 42, which is the middle of Oct. I have been told to expect delivery in November. Hopefully it stays that way...
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Must be a cancelled order or an order being amended as a brand new fresh order won't come till February ish.
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Is that that a confirmed build week of week 42? I’ve been told by both the dealer and VW online chat this week that I have an unconfirmed build week of 41 which is 3 weeks on Monday but still no confirmation on the order tracking
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Is that that a confirmed build week of week 42? I’ve been told by both the dealer and VW online chat this week that I have an unconfirmed build week of 41 which is 3 weeks on Monday but still no confirmation on the order tracking
Only from the dealer, so will have to wait and see...
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Not sure if this article is BS or not but it basically says that the Wolfsburg plant is taking a compulsory break during the first week of October because of the lack of demand for the current Golf. Would seem odd considering there is a back log of orders because of WLTP. Hopefully it’s fake news but it’s a kick in the teeth for us waiting for our cars if it’s true
https://app.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/industrie/autohersteller-vw-stoppt-golf-produktion-wegen-mangelnder-nachfrage/23063256.html?ticket=ST-7866635-GSOwKsNcPfB2HqDtg9D6-ap6
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If that is the case, then it looks yours will be one of the first when the factory starts up again...?
Nice choice of colour for your car by the way! :cool:
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More likely WLTP delays have meant no cars can be made.... so stop the workers
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I have just ordered a 7.5 gti pp and have been told the build week is 42, which is the middle of Oct. I have been told to expect delivery in November. Hopefully it stays that way...
Fingers crossed for you!
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More likely WLTP delays have meant no cars can be made.... so stop the workers
Would suggest you are spot on with this Fred. I ordered first week in August and the build week as moved from week 37 then 39 and currently 44 (unconfirmed) only to be advised on Friday last, they are waiting for WLTP approval. I honestly don't envisage me seeing the car until late January 2019 at best.
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More likely WLTP delays have meant no cars can be made.... so stop the workers
Talking to my dealer recently and he told me just that. They have had delivery times quoted of 9 months, although he didn’t specify which model that was for.
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Most dealers probably lying about lead times just to make sure they keep the order!
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I have just ordered a 7.5 gti pp and have been told the build week is 42, which is the middle of Oct. I have been told to expect delivery in November. Hopefully it stays that way...
Fingers crossed for you!
Thanks! I hope its not too long. At least i've still got my Mk7 GTI to drive in the meantime! :grin:
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Not sure if this article is BS or not but it basically says that the Wolfsburg plant is taking a compulsory break during the first week of October because of the lack of demand for the current Golf. Would seem odd considering there is a back log of orders because of WLTP. Hopefully it’s fake news but it’s a kick in the teeth for us waiting for our cars if it’s true
https://app.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/industrie/autohersteller-vw-stoppt-golf-produktion-wegen-mangelnder-nachfrage/23063256.html?ticket=ST-7866635-GSOwKsNcPfB2HqDtg9D6-ap6
It's BS. Lack of demand for Golf's?? WTF??
Fred's explanation is a lot nearer the mark.