Thinking of buying new?

[Hertsman]

I'm not talking about hot hatches. I mean in general. Where people just buy a car.

That's actually where vw's sales come from.

Yes, did get that, but was thinking about genuine alternatives to type of car personally look for, as not had anything but VAG or present BMW in 25 +years, and only one can think of, and would actually be more than OK giving a go is the Hyundai 120N

So, to wider group, what are the alternative hot hatches anyone has any experience of outside of the VAG, BMW stable

[fredgroves]

I did the whole hot hatch eval before I bought my Mk8...  Hated the BMW (there's a thread on here somewhere with my thoughts on that), Minis are basically the same as the 1 series (hate them - we have 2 here, both waaaay too hard and uncomfortable for me), there's rest of VAG but no thanks, Mercedes are simply unreliable garbage, Renault don't make a hot hatch AFAIK any more, Honda have ended the Type R (but also definitely not for me), Ford no thanks and that leaves the fuel guzzling/hard af/noisy I30N.

Hot hatches like sports bikes are a dying breed in this day and age. Those that haven't quit the market will be doing so soon.

Its been fun, I've had a few, but The Day Of the Milkfloat(tm) is here now, which are basically fast in a straight line super tankers that aren't any fun really and recharging is a nightmare.

[davo245]

I did the whole hot hatch eval before I bought my Mk8...  Hated the BMW (there's a thread on here somewhere with my thoughts on that), Minis are basically the same as the 1 series (hate them - we have 2 here, both waaaay too hard and uncomfortable for me), there's rest of VAG but no thanks, Mercedes are simply unreliable garbage, Renault don't make a hot hatch AFAIK any more, Honda have ended the Type R (but also definitely not for me), Ford no thanks and that leaves the fuel guzzling/hard af/noisy I30N.

Hot hatches like sports bikes are a dying breed in this day and age. Those that haven't quit the market will be doing so soon.

Its been fun, I've had a few, but The Day Of the Milkfloat(tm) is here now, which are basically fast in a straight line super tankers that aren't any fun really and recharging is a nightmare.

Sad but very true, at least we had many great cars over there years now drivers now won't have much to look forward too!

Also roads and traffic thses days hardly make driving that enjoyable any more you can't really use a hot hatch as it should be used 95% of the time!

[Exonian]

All points are covered well in this thread.
The reason there isn’t a huge debate as to which hot hatch to buy as an alternative to the GTI/R/GTD is there just aren’t any anymore. Legislation and leviathan SUV’s have all but finished the small and medium hot hatch class with just the die hard models remaining.
It’s not like people think hot hatches are uncool nowadays as I find that youngsters do comment positively and even my hairdressers teenage son loved my Clubsport.
High list prices, high APR and crap residuals plus unaffordable insurance will be the final nails in the coffin. Even a trainee geriatric like me is getting insurance renewals of nearly a grand now when a few years ago it was £200. How are guys in their 20’s going to afford the insurance never mind paying for the cars themselves with extortionate rent costs or 40 year mortgages to contend with?

As Hertsman says, the money is better spent on a tidy late model 7.5 to cherish before they mostly get too ratty to make gamble free purchases.

 

[Adam T7]

As Hertsman says, the money is better spent on a tidy late model 7.5 to cherish before they mostly get too ratty to make gamble free purchases.

Exactly why my GTI is remaining exactly where it is for a long, long time.

[P6GTD]

Yep.
And the reactions to it are very gratifying.
If any car could be an “ investment”, this might be.

[P6GTD]

The way all this is heading, who actually will be the target market for an 8.5?
If discounts have gone and prices start north of 40 plus “luxury” tax, I’m not sure much of a market exists.
If there is a market, the volume has gone now.

[Rudedog]

As was pointed out at the beginning (unless this has changed) this only applies to new passenger EVs and not ICE cars - as they say a week is along time in politics and ten years is a lifetime between now and 2035 - they've swerved once on the 2030 to 2035 date.... who knows?

Yes 50K for a new Golf is way too much but some of us could be looking at a 1-2 year old cars, although I'll be in my 7.5 for as long as possiblly can.

[davo245]

As was pointed out at the beginning (unless this has changed) this only applies to new passenger EVs and not ICE cars - as they say a week is along time in politics and ten years is a lifetime between now and 2035 - they've swerved once on the 2030 to 2035 date.... who knows?

Yes 50K for a new Golf is way too much but some of us could be looking at a 1-2 year old cars, although I'll be in my 7.5 for as long as possiblly can.

Can't  see this sellmodel staying with electric cars only.
This is just to get everyone into how it will work test the water and then soon enough thisbwill be the way it is for all.

[SRGTD]

As was pointed out at the beginning (unless this has changed) this only applies to new passenger EVs and not ICE cars - as they say a week is along time in politics and ten years is a lifetime between now and 2035 - they've swerved once on the 2030 to 2035 date.... who knows?

Yes 50K for a new Golf is way too much but some of us could be looking at a 1-2 year old cars, although I'll be in my 7.5 for as long as possiblly can.

Can't  see this sellmodel staying with electric cars only.
This is just to get everyone into how it will work test the water and then soon enough thisbwill be the way it is for all.

Agree.

If you can live without a hot hatch, then it’s worth considering other car manufacturers who have said they have no plans to adopt the agency model.