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General => Detailing => Topic started by: ajmoir36 on 15 June 2013, 18:37
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Well today was the day, I am pooped.
Story goes:
Wednesday evening start 19:00 to 21:00
Washed two bucket method, Turtle wax car shampoo.
Dried glass, the rest of the car left wet.
2/3s a bar of clay, folded, washed in water, clayed wet, done in stages, bonnet and wings, roof wing mirrors, front bumper, doors both sides then rear tailgate and rear bumper. small chair/foot stool required for doors and bumper. Very small amount of dodo juice used.
Friday evening start 19:00
Wash as the rain made the car dirty again and touched up a gazillion stone chips on the bonnet. Rain came car put away for the night.
Saturday morning 8:30 start
Tape up entire car with automotive masking tape.
Machine cut using a Dodo Juice green at first moved to orange after two passes with green decided that the green and the SSR1 wasn't cutting the mustard. In the end I think the swirls were so bad that I should have purchased a heavier cutting cream.
Carried on machine cutting the entire car with the orange and the SSR1 used about a 1/4 of a bottle in total.
Speed 4
12:00 stopped for Heinz curried beans on toast.
12:20
Slapped on the yellow Maguiars Polish pad, speed adjusted to 2, and applied a lot of Poorboys EX-P sealent to make the pad loaded as it would be.
Entire car including inner doors done by 14:00.
Rain.... :cry: raced the car into the garage realising that mirrors don't fold when the are taped up.
14:30 back out
Slapped on the Black Maguiars Finishing pad, speed 1 and sprayed with cold water to make pad damp and used a spatula from the Kitchen (now dyed red) to spoon the Poorboys Nattys Red Paste Wax onto the pad.
15:30 Finished Rain arrived again this time car driven back into the garage.
Removed all blue tape then applied Autoglym Glass cleaner on all glass followed by Poorboys EX-P on the tail lights, headlights, number plates and all glass except windscreen.
Knackered but chuffed with the results. I didn't successfully remove all swirls there are still swirls but I think a more abrasive cream would sort that, but it looks good.
Tomorrow - (Rain pending) wheels off and degreased/waxed.
How bad it was:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7367/9026251575_95a0ec2e08_b.jpg)
All taped up ready to go:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7380/9051649030_5562f93957_b.jpg)
After cutting still some swirls but nowhere near as bad as it was (most of it is dust too)
I think I was scared of ruining it at first so I don't think I applied as much pressure to the bonnet as the rest of it. Rule 1: Don't be scared.
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Wrecked Pad
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What colour is the car?
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After the rain in garage
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Things that I learned:
Do not lift off, as well as splatter going everywhere so does the Dodo Juice fin pads, which shot off down the road.
The machine is reasonably heavy and at higher speeds you need to control it. (Wielding for several hours has tired my arms out)
The Maguiars pads are very good and I think they will last a while the lip they have mean they are less likely to fly off and it means the edge polishes too. Whereas the Orange Dodojuice fin pad is looking slightly shot.
Maybe a more abrasive cutting compound would have been better.
Poorboys stuff is excellent and all of it buffed off very easily it also smells very nice.
The Maguiars machine seems very sturdy well put together a little noisy at 4 and quieter at 2 and 1 and will get used again and again.
It takes a lot to get a pad loaded and the EX-P was squeezing out of the pad truck loads when I was cleaning it in the sink, it was laced with the stuff.
Anything I have forgotten please ask!
All the photos are here http://www.flickr.com/photos/techie_ali/sets/72157634139519967/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/techie_ali/sets/72157634139519967/)
Video of rain drop running down car to follow.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/techie_ali/9052181330/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/techie_ali/9052181330/) Rain drop video, extreme patience required.
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Good effort mate, couple of bits of advice though, apply the wax by hand with a foam pad not with the machine unless using a liquid wax.
It's also worth getting some kind of panel wipe or IPA (iso-propanol alcohol) so you can see how your getting on as you go:
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/machine-polishing-pads/polishing-accessories/polish-inspection-sprays/carpro-eraser-intense-oil-and-polish-cleanser/prod_960.html (http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/machine-polishing-pads/polishing-accessories/polish-inspection-sprays/carpro-eraser-intense-oil-and-polish-cleanser/prod_960.html)
Need to do mine as she's picked up a few RDS's over the winter! :'(
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Good effort mate, couple of bits of advice though, apply the wax by hand with a foam pad not with the machine unless using a liquid wax.
It's also worth getting some kind of panel wipe or IPA (iso-propanol alcohol) so you can see how your getting on as you go:
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/machine-polishing-pads/polishing-accessories/polish-inspection-sprays/carpro-eraser-intense-oil-and-polish-cleanser/prod_960.html (http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/machine-polishing-pads/polishing-accessories/polish-inspection-sprays/carpro-eraser-intense-oil-and-polish-cleanser/prod_960.html)
Need to do mine as she's picked up a few RDS's over the winter! :'(
Thanks for that, read the side of the nattys and it didn't mention machines but had read various posts about using the a machine to apply it. Which seemed to work ok.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/techie_ali/9052181330/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/techie_ali/9052181330/) Rain drop video, extreme patience required.
What does the wipe do?
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My new favourite shot....
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2841/9050777827_5029aa3933_b.jpg)
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Good effort mate, couple of bits of advice though, apply the wax by hand with a foam pad not with the machine unless using a liquid wax.
It's also worth getting some kind of panel wipe or IPA (iso-propanol alcohol) so you can see how your getting on as you go:
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/machine-polishing-pads/polishing-accessories/polish-inspection-sprays/carpro-eraser-intense-oil-and-polish-cleanser/prod_960.html (http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/machine-polishing-pads/polishing-accessories/polish-inspection-sprays/carpro-eraser-intense-oil-and-polish-cleanser/prod_960.html)
Need to do mine as she's picked up a few RDS's over the winter! :'(
Thanks for that, read the side of the nattys and it didn't mention machines but had read various posts about using the a machine to apply it. Which seemed to work ok.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/techie_ali/9052181330/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/techie_ali/9052181330/) Rain drop video, extreme patience required.
What does the wipe do?
The wipe will remove any oils or dust left by the polish to let you see exactly what level of correction you've acheived, generally you don't use machines to apply paste wax cos you'll waste quite a lot plus as you've found out it's a ball ache to get it on the pad! :D
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My new favourite shot....
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2841/9050777827_5029aa3933_b.jpg)
That's a really great shot, looks superb :cool:
Thanks for the in-depth step by step run down of the detail, very helpful, especially timings of how long things took and order of jobs. You must be exhausted. Hope you enjoyed the curried beans......yum.
Which pads did you prefer, the Meguiars or the Dodo Juice?
Definitely want to get a polisher and pluck up the courage to do mine in not too distant future. Paintwork is pretty good at the moment, except for the newly resprayed panel! Bright sunlight today revealed quite a few swirls on it which must have been inflicted at the body shop as I haven't washed it since it's return.
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Maguiars pads fitted better although I can't comment on the cutting ability of Maguiars as I didn't buy it. But the dodo juice one has certainly seen better days. They have all been through the washing machine twice now and look ok.
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I personally have been using chemical guys hex logic pads which are decent along with megs 105 and 205 commonly known as "the twins", they'll cover most applications of VAG (hard) paint depending on what pad you use.
The rule of thumb is to start with the least abrasive pad/compound combo, inspect and step up the pad with the least abrasive compound until you decide that it's not enough then step up the compound on the least abrasive pad and so on..
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Results look fantastic! Well done, some of those pics are fantastic too :cool: :smiley:
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Great results. You have tempted me even more to get a DA.
Just need to work out what pads are best.
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I'm with Jimble on hex logic pads, they've always served me well.
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Ajmoir36 - what did you think of the g220?
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Yeah the Dodo Juice ones were good, but the Orange on that I used the most is breaking down around the pads. I did notice they say max RPM is 2500 on the orange/green/black so that's probably what has killed it since I used it at speed 4 which I think is 4000RPM. (someone will correct me if I am wrong). They Maguiars though fitted the DA better as the pad holder fitted inside and there was an outer lip.
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Ajmoir36 - what did you think of the g220?
I actually though it was very good well built, sturdy, it did get warm whilst using it, there are vibrations though the machine (which someone with poor wrists might not like), and at 2.7Kg once you have wielded it for 5-6 hours my arms knew it today. But you could at lower speeds (2/1) hold it one handed to do the roof in the middle. I also used a step as I am only 5'6".
Unfortunately I cannot compare it to any others but I do not see why it won't do many more cars in the future.
One comment I though the cable is a little short I had to have the extension lead at the base of the car to get to the middle of the roof. I suppose if I though about it, its shorter than the car. i.e. you cant place the extension at the front and do the entire side the car.
I am very impressed with the results today, I was out in the car and the rain was coming down and it beaded nicely, was also running off it very well. I also opened the garage door this morning and it just smelt of strawberries, which is great from the Poorboys Nattys Red Wax.
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Good work mate, looks ace. :cool:
You spread it all out over quite a long time! Was it left outside when you weren't working on it?
Only wondering as I always try and get it done in 2 days so minimise the paint getting re contaminated...
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Well it was used to get to work and back 56 miles per day, that's why it got washed Wednesday and Friday evening its garage ever night. So it even got garage briefly between rain bursts on Saturday which was a little annoying.
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Well have bitten the bullet and just ordered the Meguairs DA from Amazon. Now perusing pads etc on waxamomo/clean your car websites. Going to go with Megs pads I think :undecided:
Decided to play it safe and use DA initially just to apply wax, so I can get a feel for the machine before progressing onto any correction work when it becomes necessary.
Ajmoir - did you use any spot pads? Necessary or not?
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Always worth having a couple of spot pads in your arsenal, good for the boot lid and bumpers. :wink: The megs pads seem quite good if not a little expensive as there is only 3 to choose from, cut, polish and finish but if your going to start off with just wax then get something like this which has pretty much no cut at all:
HEX final finish pad (http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/polishing/chemical-guys-hexlogic-pads/chemical-guys-red-5-5-hex-logic-pad/prod_688.html)
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Cheers Jimble :smiley:
So now I need to buy the 3" backing plate..........the cost continues to rise, such is life :laugh:
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No spot pads here or backing plates. Oh and when I opened the garage today to go to work...Strawberries smell. Mmmmm, although it rained the entire way to work and the car is filthy again. You just cant win!
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Car looks excellent, love the beading shot too :grin:
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Thanks I enjoy how shiney it was, I will be back to order some refils of stuff soon.
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The Megs DA arrived today :cool:
Just waiting for my waxamomo order (pads etc) to turn up......it's enroute.
Downside is going to have to wait couple of weeks to test it out with wax as too much going on work wise/socially :sad:
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The Megs DA arrived today :cool:
Just waiting for my waxamomo order (pads etc) to turn up......it's enroute.
Downside is going to have to wait couple of weeks to test it out with wax as too much going on work wise/socially :sad:
The Megs looks good mind, nice and chunky.
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I bit the bullet aswell after following this thread and last night ordered a dodo juice buff daddy with pads. Even talked the mrs in to buying it as my birthday present. Happy days :smiley:
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What have I started! !! Also just realised I have been spelling Meguiars wrong Hehe
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I bit the bullet aswell after following this thread and last night ordered a dodo juice buff daddy with pads. Even talked the mrs in to buying it as my birthday present. Happy days :smiley:
Good stuff :cool: looks like there's going to be a lot of polishing going on around here.
It was a toss up between the Buff Daddy and the Meguiars G220 V2 but I decided to go with the latter after ajmoir's review. Be interested to know how you get on with it.
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What have I started! !! Also just realised I have been spelling Meguiars wrong Hehe
Yeah, you've a lot to answer for - I'm £250 worse off this week now :laugh:
I thought about mentioning the spelling error but figured you catch on eventually........took your time though :grin:
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What have I started! !! Also just realised I have been spelling Meguiars wrong Hehe
Yeah, you've a lot to answer for - I'm £250 worse off this week now :laugh:
I thought about mentioning the spelling error but figured you catch on eventually........took your time though :grin:
Haha, fingers crossed you get some decent weather for the polishing, the weather here is all over the shop at the moment. It still smells of strawberries mind.
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Pads and polish arrived yesterday :smiley:
Megs pads look substantial. Opted for PB SSR1 and PB Natty's Blue Liquid Wax which should be easier to use with the DA. Also got the Hex Logic finishing pad Jimble recommended. Not sure if I need a smaller backing plate for the Hex pad though as the pad is smaller than the Megs pad? Maybe a 125mm plate? Megs plate is 150mm.
Weather erratic here too and don't have the use of a garage since my partner turned it into a gym!!!
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I would have thought you would need a smaller backing plate as the chances of touching the car with the rubber backing plate would be high. The dodo juice pads were 150MM and just fitted but I was much more comfortable with the megs pads.
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I would have thought you would need a smaller backing plate as the chances of touching the car with the rubber backing plate would be high. The dodo juice pads were 150MM and just fitted but I was much more comfortable with the megs pads.
Ta, yeah that's what I thought. The PB Natty's blue liquid smells of bubblegum :smiley:
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My appologies Booth! You'll need a 5" backing plate for the Hex pads, i didn't realise the G220 came with a 6" one, my Das 6 pro came with this 5" which is what you'll need:
Backing Plate (http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/machine-polishing-pads/polishing-accessories/dual-action-backing-plates/5-dual-action-flexi-plate/prod_60.html)
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The smell of strawberries is wearing off, but maybe its all the rain and dirt covering it up.
I think the PB SSR1 smells like Bananas, PB EX-P smells of coconut and PB Red Paste wax strawberries.
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My appologies Booth! You'll need a 5" backing plate for the Hex pads, i didn't realise the G220 came with a 6" one, my Das 6 pro came with this 5" which is what you'll need:
Backing Plate (http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/machine-polishing-pads/polishing-accessories/dual-action-backing-plates/5-dual-action-flexi-plate/prod_60.html)
Thanks Jimble :smiley: I'll get one. Then I'll have a 3", 5" and 6" backing plates - should cover every eventuality!