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Model specific boards => Golf mk8 => Topic started by: fredgroves on 19 January 2021, 10:28
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Thought I'd start this thread to collect thoughts on various Mk8 things, particularly ones which differ from the Mk7 but open to any things you've discovered or use.
First one from me VW Nav map updates.... from the user manual:
Navigation data for frequently travelled regions is automatically updated in the background with an existing Internet connection and valid privacy settings
Great, automatic updates, no more file downloads....
Current navigation data for larger regions, e.g. Western Europe, can be downloaded from the Internet at “www.volkswagen.com” and stored on a suitable USB data medium available commercially. If you switch off the Infotainment system, installation will be interrupted and will automatically continue once the unit is switched on again.
Download the navigation data and save on a USB data medium.
Switch on the vehicle ignition.
Connect the USB data medium to the Infotainment system. The navigation data for regions that are currently frequently travelled is automatically updated in the background.
So no.... if you have a small data set (eg UK) it will update online automatically, but it won't update Western Europe map set automatically?
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There are no SD cards in a Mk8, only USB ports.
There are possibly 3 of them - two in the lower dash above the wireless charging pad, possibly one in the arm rest cubby hole.
According to the manual, some are data enabled (ie you can use them for android auto/apple carplay/usb storage) and some are charge only.
No idea which ones will be which - can anyone help with that?
Manual also helpfully says they could be USB A (old skool) or USB C. I think from what I saw in the car the ones in the dash are C's.
Might be helpful for anyone getting a Mk8 to know they will need a new phone cable and/or USB stick (of the right type) to replace their SD card music from their Mk7.
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For some bizarre reason the rear heated screen and max front screen blow buttons are on the headlight control panel (to the right of the steering wheel)
The user guide is a little vague, but suggests that if you push the dipped headlight button it activates "poor weather lighting" although I not sure if this mode is only for the clubby and R because the manual shows no button for front fogs and that button is definitely there on the GTI (GTE and GTD too I assume)
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If you have the HUD, you can change the colour of the display in the infotainment screen under vehicle settings. Useful if its snowing or fog when white is not visible.
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The usb sockets are indeed usb c, Vw kindly gave me 2 leads to fit my iPhone.
Not spotted a usb in the armrest,will double check.
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Wireless charging pad thingy - from reading the BMW forums there might be an issue if you have a big phone (Galaxy Note, S20+ or maybe the big apple thing) or if you have a big bullk case on a smaller phone. Might not fit.
Not sure if this is a VW problem too.
Edit: VW manual says:
Always place only one Qi-enabled mobile device without a protective case and with maximum dimensions (width x length) of 80 mm x 140 mm (3.15 in x 5.512 in) flat on the shelf of the wireless charging function.
Qi-capable mobile devices with larger dimensions cannot be charged wirelessly.
So no, an Iphone 12 pro or Galaxy Note 10 will not fit or charge wirelessly.... probably not any of the mega sized phones either.
And don't put anything metal in that cubby hole or all hell will break loose, probably just warning messages but maybe lightning bolts as well.
Edit #2 - wireless charging and using something heavy like google maps via ACP will make your phone red hot. I also noticed this on my BMW test drive using wireless android auto and waze.... guess that means wireless phone integration is pointless. Lovely.
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The usb sockets are indeed usb c, Vw kindly gave me 2 leads to fit my iPhone.
Not spotted a usb in the armrest,will double check.
Great!
Are both the sockets in the dash data enabled? There might be a little logo next to them? either a battery or a USB symbol like this:
(https://www.iso.org/obp/graphics/grs/161e090b-0459-4f7f-8fd8-41719fa09ae9_200.png)
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Is there no charging port behind the rear view mirror for a dashcam?
Does the wireless charging still work ok if you have a case over your phone?
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Is there no charging port behind the rear view mirror for a dashcam?
Does the wireless charging still work ok if you have a case over your phone?
No socket according to the manual.
Wireless charging should work if any other wireless charging works (ie its not a VW limitation). My S10 charges wirelessly ok with its case, but it is a Samsung case on it.
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Here's a nice warning for you - front assist (automatic braking) is disabled if you have ESC (stability control) in sport mode or if you have any brake light bulbs not working..... (plus a load of other scenarios but those two seemed the most likely)
Unlike the Mk7, on the Mk8 Front Assist uses both the radar AND the camera. Both have to be working and it can freak out under certain environmental conditions, mainly around camera visibility.
Low sun, snow, entering or exiting tunnels....
Expect to see warnings I suspect quite often about it being unavailable - I suspect this is what I was seeing on the BMW the other day too...
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What about auto restart when the car in front moves away after being stationary?
This is one of my biggest bugbears with the 7.5.
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What about auto restart when the car in front moves away after being stationary?
This is one of my biggest bugbears with the 7.5.
Reading the manual, its the same.
I didn't really find S/S that much of a bind on my test drive I have to say...maybe i will once I've got it!
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Is there no charging port behind the rear view mirror for a dashcam?
Does the wireless charging still work ok if you have a case over your phone?
No but really easy to run a cable,took me 10 minutes to hardwire mine
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What about auto restart when the car in front moves away after being stationary?
This is one of my biggest bugbears with the 7.5.
Reading the manual, its the same.
I didn't really find S/S that much of a bind on my test drive I have to say...maybe i will once I've got it!
Can anyone with a Mk8 confirm if auto restart is on the Mk8, and if so, is there a way to switch it off?
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I rarely notice stop start kicking in on my car. Possibly because I almost always have the gearbox in Sport mode (or manual) and I think that prevents it.
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You can turn off stop start in the menus, you can even set a short cut up to make doing it easier. However it does come back on next time you start the car up (ie after parked).
It doesn't seem to be on when you have the gearbox in S though.
You definitely cannot permanently disable start stop, not even with Obd11. The only way to do it would be some physical buggery... Somehow.
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I don't mind stop start. It's the auto-restart I'm not keen on.
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I don't mind stop start. It's the auto-restart I'm not keen on.
Pardon my ignorance, but what's the difference?
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I don't mind stop start. It's the auto-restart I'm not keen on.
Pardon my ignorance, but what's the difference?
I think auto-restart is where your car’s engine starts automatically when a stationary vehicle in front of yours moves off.
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Thanks. That used to drive me absolutely bananas in my 7.5 GTI. To the extent where I routinely turned off stop/start at the start of every journey. I vaguely recall it could be coded out, too. But I assume not on the mk8.
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I don't mind stop start. It's the auto-restart I'm not keen on.
Pardon my ignorance, but what's the difference?
I think auto-restart is where your car’s engine starts automatically when a stationary vehicle in front of yours moves off.
Yes, that's what I'm referring to. It's probably the worst feature of the 7.5 IMO.
Was hoping VW boffins would've recognised this when developing the Mk8.
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I think I’ve always been a lone voice (nothing unusual there) but actually quite like stop start and auto-restart. Pumping fumes when stationary isn’t something I’m keen on, particularly in urban areas. The system seems to work well enough though, I tend to zone out when sat stationary, taking in my surroundings and that nice shudder as the car kicks back into life leads to a quick check of the mirrors etc and ready for action again. Whether it reduces fuel use or overall emissions I don’t know but it is a good idea in theory.
Occasionally it stops the engine a little too early before the car has actually stopped when I’m not even stopping (just slowing for something) but generally it’s much improved from previous generations.
And as Joe says, it doesn’t seem to do it in Sport mode.
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So, is it still the same in the Mk8 as the Mk7.5 then?
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The only 7.5 DSG I drove was my TCR, the rest all manuals. It seems similar from memory.
The engine in the mk8 does fire up quickly as soon as a car in front moves even slightly. Keeping the brake depressed shuts it off again (I think so anyway, it’s hard to remember as things just become instinct after a while so not really noticed).
If anyone wants me to test any settings let me know as I have a fair bit of mixed driving ahead on Monday.
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So, is it still the same in the Mk8 as the Mk7.5 then?
Yes.
Is it really a problem though???
It starts so you can move...
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So, is it still the same in the Mk8 as the Mk7.5 then?
Yes.
Is it really a problem though???
It starts so you can move...
But what about the times it restarts when I don't want to move? Or can barely move? Like in crawling traffic when the car in front edges forward about 2 feet. Thought stop start was supposed to save fuel and reduce emissions? Neither of which will happen if my engine restarts for no reason.
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Turn travel assist on, it will move for you when it can :whistle:
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Mine's a manual.
I'd rather choose when to move. I don't want it to be decided for me.
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I rarely notice stop start kicking in on my car. Possibly because I almost always have the gearbox in Sport mode (or manual) and I think that prevents it.
I took mine back to vw as it hardly ever stopped the engine when at lights etc (it came on 10 times in 2.5k miles). Turns out the battery in the stop start was not configured correctly. This was only yesterday so yet to see if the issue is now resolved.
Ruby.
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I don't know if any of you have experienced this but using wireless Apple Carplay in conjunction with Apple Music kept pausing part way through a song, only to resume a minute or so later and then stop again. While this was happening, the little buffer wheel was spinning next to the play next UI. Even though my phone had a full 4G signal.
I found a fix for this. Apparently, Carplay is trying to default back to the car's E-Sim. When it can't establish an internet connection it goes back to the phone's internet connection, rinse and repeat.
Fix 1: Buy some data with Cubic Telecom so the car's E-Sim has some data. Alternatively, if you haven't already, activate your free 1Gb data pack which is what I did and Apple Music works like a charm.
Fix 2: Go into the infotainment settings and disable the E-sim. Then Carplay will not try to connect to the car's internet. Apparently, you can still use navigation and remote software updates with the E-Sim disabled but I haven't tried this yet.
Hope this helps someone as I have been ripping my hair out over it.
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Eh, what has an external internet connection got to do with CarPlay? Do you get the same problem if you plug in the phone rather than connecting via the cars WLAN?
Based on the feedback of others, activating the Cubic Telecom subscription sounds like introducing another load of bother.
What software version is your infotainment running?
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Eh, what has an external internet connection got to do with CarPlay? Do you get the same problem if you plug in the phone rather than connecting via the cars WLAN?
Based on the feedback of others, activating the Cubic Telecom subscription sounds like introducing another load of bother.
What software version is your infotainment running?
From what I can gather, it is not so much the CarPlay but the way the car handles the data the apps need to run. The car wants to use the E-Sim and your phone wants to use its Sim and Apple Music is moving back and forward between the two. All I know is that grabbing that free data plan fixed my problem and I've read that disabling the E-Sim also works. It looks like we will need an update from VW to fix it properly, or Apple. I'm not sure if android auto has the same problem.
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I think the solution for most people is what TallPaul suggests i.e. not activating the Cubic Telecom subscription at all.
I'm not sure what possible benefit this subscription provides when you can share data from your phone to provide wi-fi.
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From what I can gather, it is not so much the CarPlay but the way the car handles the data the apps need to run. The car wants to use the E-Sim and your phone wants to use its Sim and Apple Music is moving back and forward between the two. All I know is that grabbing that free data plan fixed my problem and I've read that disabling the E-Sim also works. It looks like we will need an update from VW to fix it properly, or Apple. I'm not sure if android auto has the same problem.
Odd. I don't have this issue but I'm running software 1890 on perhaps a later hardware version of the infotainment unit.
I appreciate you have identified a work around but I wouldn't advocate enabling the dataplan as it causes a seemingly neverending set of messages if you let the subscription lapse.
Did you try resetting the wireless CarPlay connection and just using it wired? I'd expect that to be a workaround and still allow the eSIM to be used for OTA updates, real-time traffic etc.
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From what I can gather, it is not so much the CarPlay but the way the car handles the data the apps need to run. The car wants to use the E-Sim and your phone wants to use its Sim and Apple Music is moving back and forward between the two. All I know is that grabbing that free data plan fixed my problem and I've read that disabling the E-Sim also works. It looks like we will need an update from VW to fix it properly, or Apple. I'm not sure if android auto has the same problem.
Odd. I don't have this issue but I'm running software 1890 on perhaps a later hardware version of the infotainment unit.
I appreciate you have identified a work around but I wouldn't advocate enabling the dataplan as it causes a seemingly neverending set of messages if you let the subscription lapse.
Did you try resetting the wireless CarPlay connection and just using it wired? I'd expect that to be a workaround and still allow the eSIM to be used for OTA updates, real-time traffic etc (which don't need the dataplan).
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I did try resetting the wireless Carplay but it didn't help, and I didn't try the wired option as I want to use the wireless function. I do have a 22 car so it could be to do with the newer hardware but I can't be sure. When I was looking into the problem I found that users from all the VAG group were having similar problems, not just VW, funnily enough, BMW users have had no issue at all. Also, Spotify doesn't suffer the same issues with Carplay as Apple Music. Absolutely bizarre!
Do the messages from the data plan not stop if you close your account with Cubic via their website? I guess I'll see when it runs out.
Hopefully, we will see an update from either VW or Apple, or both in the future.
If anyone else had a similar problem and found a way to fix it without disabling the E-Sim or buying into the data plan please post it here, stop me going insane on my long commutes.
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Is your music physically stored on your phone or is Apple Music trying to stream it?
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Is your music physically stored on your phone or is Apple Music trying to stream it?
I stream it as I'm low on storage and listen to a range of music using autoplay.
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My Mk8 hasn't been delivered yet but I wondered what options there are with Spotify?
My current 8 series has the Spotify app within iDrive and you sign in and have access to everything. In the Mk8 is the only option via Android Auto?
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Yes but remember you have wireless android auto or apple car play.
No integrated app.
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My Mk8 hasn't been delivered yet but I wondered what options there are with Spotify?
My current 8 series has the Spotify app within iDrive and you sign in and have access to everything. In the Mk8 is the only option via Android Auto?
I use Spotify through wireless Car Play and have no issues