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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: jv on 04 May 2018, 11:54
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Press release:
The countdown has started: the new Golf GTI top model is set to be the highlight of this year's GTI meeting at Wörthersee
Strong performance: the Golf GTI TCR delivers 213 kW / 290 PS and offers perfect traction thanks to the front axle locking differential
New addition to the series: the Golf GTI TCR is the road version of the 275 kW / 350 PS TCR race series Golf GTI
The fastest Golf: the Vmax limiter in the GTI TCR to be launched at the end of 2018 can be removed as desired to increase the maximum speed from 250 to 264 km/h
The largest GTI meeting in the world gets underway on Wednesday 9 May. The location: Reifnitz am Wörthersee. Last year, 7,300 cars and around 125,000 visitors turned the Austrian town into the Mecca of the GTI world. Figures of this magnitude are expected again this year. Volkswagen will also present a special highlight to the participants and visitors: the new Golf GTI TCR, which is nearly ready for production. As a tribute to fans, the 290 PS GTI will be unveiled in a world première at Wörthersee. The future top model in the Golf GTI series, which has sold more than 2.2 million units worldwide, will be launched at the end of the year.
The special edition is the road version of the two-time overall winner of the international TCR race series: the Golf GTI TCR of the same name. The touring racing car’s specs make the new top model a dominating presence: design, power and performance are intrinsic to the pure sports car doctrine. The turbo engine of the new Golf GTI TCR delivers the 290 PS (213 kW) mentioned above at between 5,000 and 6,800 rpm. The TSI balances its maximum torque of 370 Nm towards the front axle in a speed range of 1,600 rpm; this value remains consistently high up to 4,300 rpm. A 7-speed dual-clutch gearbox (DSG) and a front axle differential lock (both standard) are responsible for power transmission and excellent traction.
The maximum speed is 250 km/h, but can be increased to 264 km/h as stated above by opting to remove the electronic Vmax limiter. This makes the new GTI TCR the fastest Golf and generally the fastest Volkswagen licensed for use on public roads. Thanks to its drive performance, the production car achieves similar ranges as the 275 kW / 350 PS Golf GTI TCR racing car.
With more than 2.2 million units sold, the Golf GTI has become one of the world's most successful compact sports cars. It all started life in 1976 as a 110 PS front-wheel drive car, which made high driving dynamics affordable. Originally, only 5,000 cars of the original GTI were to be built – 4,400 times as many have now been produced.
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Very interesting. However, I'm a little confused. Is this a one-off special, or a permanent addition to the GTI range?
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I assume this is to replace the Clubsport model as the flagship golf track car? and if so will it be a 2 seater?
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Nice! :smiley:. But this will be like the Ordinary mk7 CS. Don´t you think?.. :smiley:
Like these sideskirts!, next OEM that everybody buy? :whistle:
https://www.carscoops.com/2018/05/road-legal-volkswagen-golf-gti-tcr-teased-290ps/#lg=1&slide=3
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More pics, are those 20" wheels?
http://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf-gti-clubsport/21213/new-volkswagen-golf-gti-tcr-to-pick-up-where-gti-clubsport-left
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Seems a bit of a funny name to use given that TCR is only a race series brand name launching this year.
I know TCR is a cheapo touring car race series, but even then, your factory made road going Golf will have no much in common with the real deal.... (which you can buy, its only £95k and you can't use it on the road)
Anyway, 20 BHP less than the S-Club7 (lol) and unlike the clubby, DSG only.
I'd also guess that its a limited edition too, with a limited edition price tag to match.
I guess I'm showing my age, TCR to me is that crap scalextrix car racing toy thing that never worked properly (I had one!)
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Ah Fred now we're going back. My TCR set worked a treat, the one with the police car and a Corvette if my memory is right. :smiley:
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Ah Fred now we're going back. My TCR set worked a treat, the one with the police car and a Corvette if my memory is right. :smiley:
I missed out on TCR first time round and can't see me getting this one. Unless maybe there is an "S" version to follow :wink:
I remember the original TCR ads from years back always made me want one!
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Fred I think it was your overtaking skills that let you down on Total Control Racing :laugh:
It was way ahead of the game with its slotless racing.
I loved that.
In fact when I was clearing out my mums house recently I found it up the attic so brought it home with me :whistle:
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https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/vw-golf-gti-tcr-unveiled/37988
Shown as a concept but looks pretty much finalised.
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this is a video of them.. :)
https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/peoplessupercar?source=feed_text
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Underwhelmed, I prefer my Clubsport.
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I like the marketing of its a "road going TCR car".. :grin:
..if so why has it got the same crap single piston heavy iron calipers & design flawed discs (internal vanes on one side rotate the wrong way causing heat issues)..
& yet VAG fit the MQB Audi TT-S with nice light aluminium 4pot monoblock piston calipers & 338mm disc which are a straight fit...
another missed opportunity to create a proper road going TCR car...& they have the parts...
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It's basically the Clubsport again isn't it - with a different shade of lipstick.
Reminds me of the MK5 gen - where we had the Edition 30 and a while later (towards the end of the MK5 run) we had the Pirelli Edition, which was basically the same car as the Ed. 30. i.e. it's a handy opportunity for VW to empty the MK7 parts bin in anticipation of the MK8.
Still, I'm sure it'll be a nice car and probably fairly rare.
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For me I prefer the Clubsport which is the best looking mk7 by far, this does not seem to have the same presence.
I think Mrs W will be waiting for the Mk8.
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Well, I’m not going to say anything derogatory about it as I did that with the Clubsport and ended up buying one! :whistle:
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Well, I’m not going to say anything derogatory about it as I did that with the Clubsport and ended up buying one! :whistle:
I think I remember that incident :laugh:
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I like the marketing of its a "road going TCR car".. :grin:
another missed opportunity to create a proper road going TCR car...& they have the parts...
As I said, its hardly the real deal by a long old way.... and for £95k you can have the real deal, although gawd knows what you'd have to do to make it road legal!
Your point about the brakes, you rarely hear of anyone on this forum making changes to them but I'd have thought those would be high on the performance list if you really wanted quick track times...
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Very weak presentation which should give a hint as to what it is going to be about, it doesn't even compare to the uniqueness of the Clubsport: No mention of bespoke engine or (more importantly) suspension tuning, no bucket seats, almost no bespoke body parts, practically a 7.5 GTI with the R/Clubsport engine, a sportier diffuser and some decals to convince you that somewhere deep inside there is a relation (?) to the actual TCR car... A true product of the marketing team with seemingly 0 engineers being involved in the project, unlike the Clubsport suspension development by Karsten Schebsdat which served as the basis for the CSS that followed, and the study about the aero bits and improvement of the chassis balance.
I mean I do realize VW may have cult followers but with strongest selling points here being a falsely claim of "strongest GTI ever" (CSS's 310ps has it covered and CS is making also 290 in 3rd and above :whistle:) and the removal of the speed limiter :grin: I am curious to see the sales numbers...
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^^^ WTF ^^^
Sorry, but that post screams delusional at best. Lets not get carried away. How does it not compare to the uniqueness of the Clubsport?! It's pretty much the same bloody car with the 7.5 bits added!
The bucket seats may be optional on this car too, who knows. They're hardly "unique" or bespoke items either.
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^^^ WTF ^^^
Sorry, but that post screams delusional at best. Lets not get carried away. How does it not compare to the uniqueness of the Clubsport?! It's pretty much the same bloody car with the 7.5 bits added!
The bucket seats may be optional on this car too, who knows. They're hardly "unique" or bespoke items either.
Please, lose the "WTF" if you're actually interested in a civilized discussion. A simple cross checking of the items that are different between a standard GTI and a Clubsport (or just a visual comparison at the very least) would help you realize what I am saying here. The Clubsport enjoyed a thorough upgrade compared to the standard MK7 GTI both in exterior and interior design (front bumper, side-skirts, rear spoiler, diffuser, tail-pipes, back-box, alcantara bits, bucket seats *yes bespoke in the mk7/7.5 Golf range*) as well as a (equally important) more focused chassis and geometry settings that were studied to address known issues in the MK7 dynamics (ie. the "weak" rear)
So, now that it's (hopefully) clearer enlighten us and point out where do you see ANY of that in the TCR? The car looks exactly like a 7.5GTI (same front, same rear bar the diffuser) with the R engine, some decals and the extra option of the 7.5 R's Akrapovic exhaust... And inside the only thing I noticed is a different paint/scheme on the seats. We should of-course wait and see if there are suspension changes but seeing as there is absolutely no mention of a sportier chassis that for sure would be heavily advertised as was the case with the CS and CSS, we can assume there is nothing noteworthy.
That been said, I'm pretty sure that with the clueless-ness that characterizes the typical VW salesmen, some will definitely try to sell it as one "oh yeah it's the new Clubsport didn't you know??" :grin:
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Thanks, but I am fully aware of the extra bits that VW put on the Clubsport over the regular GTI. As lovely a car as it is, I think calling it unique or bespoke is stretching credibility a little too far - this is VAG after all, who are the absolute masters in parts bin sharing. Maybe ease off on the Clubsport Kool-aid a little bit... :whistle:
To the best of my knowledge (and correct me if I'm wrong - I'm sure you will), there are no suspension differences between a GTI and a Clubsport.
In the TCR's defence, it at least will have the 290 ponies on tap and not be relying on that silly 10 second overboot gimmick.
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Well I appear to be in the minority here, I actually quite like it :smiley:
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Thanks, but I am fully aware of the extra bits that VW put on the Clubsport over the regular GTI. As lovely a car as it is, I think calling it unique or bespoke is stretching credibility a little too far - this is VAG after all, who are the absolute masters in parts bin sharing. Maybe ease off on the Clubsport Kool-aid a little bit... :whistle:
To the best of my knowledge (and correct me if I'm wrong - I'm sure you will), there are no suspension differences between a GTI and a Clubsport.
In the TCR's defence, it at least will have the 290 ponies on tap and not be relying on that silly 10 second overboot gimmick.
Not sure if we're arguing semantics here as English is not my mother language but I think I'm doing ok in general. It surely has several unique/exclusive bits that were designed solely for it (which I mentioned above) and which were clearly setting it apart from the MK7 GTI, it's definitely not a bespoke car as it reuses probably 80% of standard GTI parts.
Now if you compare a 7.5GTI and a TCR the differences are really kept to a minimum is what I'm saying. If I had a 7.5GTI I just would not bother, 7.5PP definitely seems to be pushing a bit more than the advertised 245bhp also so don't expect massive differences in times, just a hint...
As for suspension differences between a GTI and CS i'm afraid you're wrong (but you knew that :tongue:). CS is confirmed to have different (stiffer) springs and slightly different camber settings i think, and it surely feels like it, haven't you read any CS review?
I would agree on the overboost nonsense, it's a bit annoying on a stock car although it's more psychological as you would be hard pressed to feel when the extra boost cuts off but I bought the car with the intention of going straight to stage 1 which guess what, brings the power to the exact same power levels as on a R/S3/Cupra since it's the same engine (and now the TCR), so VW's marketing sh1te of trying to differentiate their models does not worry me too much :whistle:
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Well I appear to be in the minority here, I actually quite like it :smiley:
Me too :embarrassed: Apart from dsg only. Really like the seat covers with the GTI embossing, don't like the honeycomb decals but they are optional and the wheels - not too sure. But, I think it might be a tad past my wallet's capacity for now. And tomorrow.
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As for suspension differences between a GTI and CS i'm afraid you're wrong (but you knew that :tongue:). CS is confirmed to have different (stiffer) springs and slightly different camber settings i think, and it surely feels like it, haven't you read any CS review?
Of course I've read the reviews. I'm the biggest VW / GTI anorak there is. But I tend not to believe everything I read in reviews, as more often than not they're full of marketing blurb, false assumptions and general inaccuracies - I wouldn't watch Top Gear for example if I wanted accurate information on a car's spec. I've also driven a CS - I was extremely close to buying one last year, but it didn't happen for various reasons.
Can you point me at a reliable source that actually describes the suspension differences? I'm genuinely curious, as I still don't think there is any, barring something very minor. Are there actual verifiable part number differences? I remember back in the MK5 days, some people were convinced that the Edition 30 had a lower ride / different suspension setup than the standard GTI. It didn't.
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Well I appear to be in the minority here, I actually quite like it :smiley:
Me too :embarrassed: Apart from dsg only. Really like the seat covers with the GTI embossing, don't like the honeycomb decals but they are optional and the wheels - not too sure. But, I think it might be a tad past my wallet's capacity for now. And tomorrow.
I think it looks great too tbh, but the side decals would be too much for me also. I love that grey...
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Besides what's everyone's opinion about it, I just thought isn't it really late in the MK7/7.5 lifecycle for yet another variant? If the first cars are delivered late 2018, isn't this just one year (or less) before the Mk8 GTI? If these dates are more or less accurate I imagine it would suffer from depreciation, let alone the fact that, as a platform, it will be a car that will have basically been on offer since 2013 and that's it's going to be replaced very soon...
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Besides what's everyone's opinion about it, I just thought isn't it really late in the MK7/7.5 lifecycle for yet another variant? If the first cars are delivered late 2018, isn't this just one year (or less) before the Mk8 GTI? If these dates are more or less accurate I imagine it would suffer from depreciation, let alone the fact that, as a platform, it will be a car that will have basically been on offer since 2013 and that's it's going to be replaced very soon...
Agreed - it is very late in the MK7 platform at this stage, but its nothing new. Manufacturers do this all the time, release some new special edition model to help boost sales and clear out the parts bins! VAG do it all the time.... The last generation RS3 was barely out when the new A3 was launched... The MK5 GTI Pirelli edition was at the very tail end of the MK5 lifecycle. People still bought them.
Would it be wise to spend a significant load of cash on a run out model? I dunno... I guess it's residuals will hold fairly well, the "special edition" factor, etc..
I would also be surprised if we see the performance variants of the MK8 before early 2020 at the earliest. The vanilla model MK8 will likely appear several months in advance of the go fast versions.
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As for suspension differences between a GTI and CS i'm afraid you're wrong (but you knew that :tongue:). CS is confirmed to have different (stiffer) springs and slightly different camber settings i think, and it surely feels like it, haven't you read any CS review?
Of course I've read the reviews. I'm the biggest VW / GTI anorak there is. But I tend not to believe everything I read in reviews, as more often than not they're full of marketing blurb, false assumptions and general inaccuracies - I wouldn't watch Top Gear for example if I wanted accurate information on a car's spec. I've also driven a CS - I was extremely close to buying one last year, but it didn't happen for various reasons.
Can you point me at a reliable source that actually describes the suspension differences? I'm genuinely curious, as I still don't think there is any, barring something very minor. Are there actual verifiable part number differences? I remember back in the MK5 days, some people were convinced that the Edition 30 had a lower ride / different suspension setup than the standard GTI. It didn't.
There are threads (in this forum as well) that show the differences between a GTI / CS / CSS. There you can see the different part numbers on springs, they are not lower but stiffer (please don't ask me to go find them for you, it's Friday night). Easiest thing would be to drive a standard GTI and a CS back to back, i'm sure you would not need any p/n to convince you afterwards.
When I say reviews I certainly did not mean Top Gear or even worse Grand Tour. There are some pretty decent magazines thought that I have more than once found my findings to be in agreement with their conclusions and I would say they can in general be trusted.
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As for suspension differences between a GTI and CS i'm afraid you're wrong (but you knew that :tongue:). CS is confirmed to have different (stiffer) springs and slightly different camber settings i think, and it surely feels like it, haven't you read any CS review?
Of course I've read the reviews. I'm the biggest VW / GTI anorak there is. But I tend not to believe everything I read in reviews, as more often than not they're full of marketing blurb, false assumptions and general inaccuracies - I wouldn't watch Top Gear for example if I wanted accurate information on a car's spec. I've also driven a CS - I was extremely close to buying one last year, but it didn't happen for various reasons.
Can you point me at a reliable source that actually describes the suspension differences? I'm genuinely curious, as I still don't think there is any, barring something very minor. Are there actual verifiable part number differences? I remember back in the MK5 days, some people were convinced that the Edition 30 had a lower ride / different suspension setup than the standard GTI. It didn't.
This old thread might prove useful (or not as the case may be) - http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=279388.0
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The Edition 35 was late in the Mk6 lifecycle and look how they have held their value over a regular mk6. I had 5k equity in mine when I traded it in. That’s crazy nowadays!
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I’ll be keeping a very keen eye on how this develops, as I’m very interested. Depending on price and when delivers start, it more than likely will be getting an order from me.
I think the mk7.5 is the best looking Golf to date, and I’m not overly liking the new design that VW are taking with there new models, so this is making me think that the TCR is a perfect fit for me. The next few months will tell :smiley:
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I have been looking into this car my self as I am/was interested in buying it. However, I have since spoken to VW customer services and it is looking like the UK won't get the TCR :cry: :cry: :cry:
Here is the response I got.
Dear Mr Love
Thank you for your recent contact.
Unfortunately, the update link has been removed from the website at present. I am sorry for any disappointment that this may cause.
I have spoken with our Product Marketing Team who has advised that there are no plans for this vehicle specification to be offered in the UK in the immediate future. The reason for this is that we do not anticipate that there would be sufficient orders of this specification for the UK market. I am sincerely sorry for any disappointment that this may cause.
I hope this information proves useful. If we can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us on the number below.
Thank you for contacting Volkswagen UK.
Kind regards
Adeel Saeed
Volkswagen Customer Services Centre
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I wonder if the lack of Clubsport orders relative to the potential availablility has played in to this. I reckon they would of sold a fair few, but the price would likely rule many out who couldn’t justify the extra over and above a GTi or R.
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The Clubsport does not have different suspension to the regular GTI.
It's the Clubsport S that has a few differences.
It's only the suspension springs that are different.
Also, the CS still has the heavy calipers and discs of the PP, those calipers are 7.5kg each, compared to 4.5kg of the Audi TT RS. That's a hell of a lot of unsprung weight.
And unless you get the Belveldere wheels, you get the Brescia's which are heavy wheels !, plus 235/35 tyres which slow down the acceleration dues to their larger overal diameter compared to the 18's with 225/40..
Anyway, this pics shows the various part numbers of suspension components between the models..
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180125/af2348c70cfde51ae7da9d666be248a7.jpg)
So the bottom line.....if you want the ultimate Golf....buy a CSS :grin:
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Interesting analysis!
I take it that the numbers next to the CSS part numbers are prices.... ie someone is pricing up a CSS conversion?
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So there is as much chance of ordering a TCR as there is a standard GTI
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I have been looking into this car my self as I am/was interested in buying it. However, I have since spoken to VW customer services and it is looking like the UK won't get the TCR :cry: :cry: :cry:
Here is the response I got.
Dear Mr Love
Thank you for your recent contact.
Unfortunately, the update link has been removed from the website at present. I am sorry for any disappointment that this may cause.
I have spoken with our Product Marketing Team who has advised that there are no plans for this vehicle specification to be offered in the UK in the immediate future. The reason for this is that we do not anticipate that there would be sufficient orders of this specification for the UK market. I am sincerely sorry for any disappointment that this may cause.
I hope this information proves useful. If we can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us on the number below.
Thank you for contacting Volkswagen UK.
Kind regards
Adeel Saeed
Volkswagen Customer Services Centre
But yet they are bringing out this variation on the R.....http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/103693/new-volkswagen-golf-r-performance-pack-2018-review
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R performance pack has been out for ages.... why on earth are AE banging on about it now?
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Fred, I assume so, I can find out, that pic was from a US forum, so if they are prices, it will be in US dollars,
The point of that pic is to say that the TCR is basically the new Clubsport, same concept, same idea of putting the R engine in (same engine as the GTI btw but bigger turbo).
But the Clubsport is (was better) though, you got that lovely rear spoiler which the TCR doesnt have, and those lovely seats that the CS can have. SO it isn't better than a Clubsport imo.
Personally if I had the spare cash I'd spend £30k or so on a mint low miles CS S rather than a new TCR...
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In dollars? Crikey, that's even cheaper than I'd have expected.
On the other hand, if you are swapping those bits out I'm sure you could find even better performing non-OEM parts - might as well if you are stripping that much down.
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Pictures are in fact from a thread in this very forum (it's the one I was referring to several posts back) : http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=279388.0 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=279388.0) but they have been deleted for some reason. Seems someone in the GolfMK7 forum managed to copy them in time and re-upload them elsewhere but I am pretty sure they originate from here. As such, prices are in GBP, those parts are not even available in US dealerships.
I've said before why the TCR is not a 7.5 Clubsport in my opinion of-course: They both are special editions of a GTI but the TCR is more like a "celebration" edition for the TCR car wins, essentially a 7.5GTI with the R engine and a couple of decals. The Clubsport was a more focused variant all-together with noticeable changes in many departments like engine, chassis (not just springs but balance and aero) and crucially, looks. It even came with exclusive ultra lightweight forged wheels as standard. It was a package that stood out much more from the standard mk7 GTI than the TCR will from the 7.5 GTI so it's hard to see it as a continuation of the "Clubsport" spirit. If VW intended on building a 7.5 Clubsport they would have simply and easily done so. But they didn't and it shows in the fact that most of the unique bits that made the CS different, are just not there in the TCR.
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you sound like you're talking about the Clubsport S though,
The CS doesnt come with forged wheels as standard,
the clubsport chassis is the same, it's only the springs that are different,
put it another way, the only real difference between the clubsport and the TCR is the roof spoiler.
also interesting that that picture originated from the UK, I thought those prices seemed cheap.
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you sound like you're talking about the Clubsport S though,
The CS doesnt come with forged wheels as standard,
the clubsport chassis is the same, it's only the springs that are different,
put it another way, the only real difference between the clubsport and the TCR is the roof spoiler.
also interesting that that picture originated from the UK, I thought those prices seemed cheap.
Quite the opposite - where do you get this info? I'm curious. Funnily, only the CS ever came with forged wheels, the 18" Belvederes made by Fuchs. The CSS only came with the already available on the R, flow formed Pretorias (+2kg per wheel) and there were no other options to choose from. And by chassis we do also mean balance and aero, which on the CS is different from the standard GTI due to the "air curtains" at the front and the rear roof spoiler, there was an interview with the main development engineer who talked about all that and how they wanted to make the rear end of the GTI more stable at higher speeds (a known weakness of the mk7 GTI)
On the differences list: the entire front bumper, side skirts, rear diffuser, rear spoiler, wheels, steering wheel, seats (not talking about buckets), doors and gearknob trim, exhaust muffler, tail-pipes, even seat belts and floor mats are all Clubsport specific! but hey, if that means "just a roof spoiler" to you I will not argue any further :whistle:
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The Clubsport has the lightweight 18" forged Belvederes which are manufactured by Otto Fuchs and weigh in at 7.6KG, these are the standard wheels for the Clubsport, anyone that says otherwise is totally wrong.
https://www.fuchsfelge.com/en/wheel-program/detail/vw-golf-leichtbau-schmiederad-409.html
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Hey I'm not arguing, I'm really interested to find out the facts.
If the CS came with Belvederes as standard then I apologise, I always thought it came with Brescia's as standard.
And point taken about the styling differences, yes compared to a non facelift its a lot different, not so much different to a facelift though.
But the point I was making is that the CS is just like the TCR, apart from the roof spoiler,
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Also, the CS still has the heavy calipers and discs of the PP, those calipers are 7.5kg each, compared to 4.5kg of the Audi TT RS. That's a hell of a lot of unsprung weight.
And unless you get the Belveldere wheels, you get the Brescia's which are heavy wheels !, plus 235/35 tyres which slow down the acceleration dues to their larger overal diameter compared to the 18's with 225/40..
Bit late but i just read that bit, two things: PP, CS, R, CSS all come with the same calipers. No MK7/7.5 comes with anything other than those single pots so the TT RS calipers are a bit irrelevant in this discussion.
And regarding the CS wheels it's the other way round: the Belvedere was the standard wheel that came with the car, not an option. You would have to manually spec the 4kg heavier (and way uglier imo) Brescia to get it on the car. I love my CS facts I know...
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you sure its not Quaranta wheels that were standard ??
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Quaranta is the name that VW UK gave to Belvederes for some reason, it's the same wheel. But even in the UK most people refer to them with their "international" name (Belvedere) and not the UK one.
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arrrr cheers that explains that one..
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by the way, the main reason Im so interested in Clubsports is because I bought one last year, but, I had a last minute panic over the cost, and I cancelled it.
I often regret that decision, it was a 3 door, white with black roof, leather, 19's,
And one of the reasons I wanted it was because I actually owned a 1976 Mk1 Golf GTI for about 2 years when I was a teenager, and that car meant a lot to me.
Wish I still had it ! Be worth a fortune now I guess :sad:
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this is only pic I've got of it...
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p206x206/1929012_69121122305_4978148_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=aa68e2677f00f7d1dbcd6a38d08214af&oe=5B7841C8)
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this is only pic I've got of it...
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p206x206/1929012_69121122305_4978148_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=aa68e2677f00f7d1dbcd6a38d08214af&oe=5B7841C8)
Cracking little car!
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I think the problem with the TCR is the UK don't relate to it, from what i gather with the UK series its the organisers who are not great.
For me the best 7/7.5 is the Clubsport with the right options.
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I agree,
It's a pity they don't still offer the Clubsport as a 7.5.
I would have definitely bought one.
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I agree,
It's a pity they don't still offer the Clubsport as a 7.5.
I would have definitely bought one.
I am sure they will raid the parts bin before the mk8 comes along
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maybe one final run out edition...I hope not in a way, as that would tempt me and I've only just bought my 7.5 :grin:
( I was actually slightly relieved when I heard that the UK wouldn't be getting the TCR)
Still, there's always this one, and I am tempted, although I suspect a divorce would be imminent if I did, but hmmmmmm :grin: :grin: :grin:
https://usedcars.volkswagen.co.uk/en/used-cars/volkswagen/golf-20-tsi-gti-clubsport-s-310ps-3dr/details-p1bnczl
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You can find a very low mileage CSS for a lot less than that...they are close to list now.
What is unusual with the black one you posted a link to is the Dec 17 registration, that is a year after the first CSS were registered in the UK.
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Well tbh I wouldn't buy that but next year I might buy a clubsport for myself and let the wife have the 7.5, she's always got it anyway I never get a chance to drive it..
But id want a manual, and she can only drive an auto..
But on another subject...what I would like vw to bring out is a gti van ! I mean think about it...the css with its lack of a back seat and 90% tints is almost a van anyway :) and then me and thousands of other self employed people could buy one and off set our tax against it :) hmmmm I could be on to something here haha...
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Well tbh I wouldn't buy that but next year I might buy a clubsport for myself and let the wife have the 7.5, she's always got it anyway I never get a chance to drive it..
But id want a manual, and she can only drive an auto..
But on another subject...what I would like vw to bring out is a gti van ! I mean think about it...the css with its lack of a back seat and 90% tints is almost a van anyway :) and then me and thousands of other self employed people could buy one and off set our tax against it :) hmmmm I could be on to something here haha...
Seriously considering a Clubsport next year myself alongside the R, what do we think prices will be like by then?
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must admit for me it's got be a clubsport, I think R's are just too common,
but I think the prices are on the way down, I just saw a Red 3 door Clubsport at a vw dealer for £22,500
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Common yes but bloody good :D
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I agree, but I bet a Clubsport is more fun :grin:
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I guess, but not as a daily drive family car. The R estate is perfect for that. Looking at a Leon SC for the Mrs :undecided:
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Thumbing through VW Driver mag in the middle of the night (as you do), there’s a decent feature on the TCR.
I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned in here but it states the standard wheel will be the Belvedere forged 18” as per the Clubsport.
There will be options of an Akrapovič and lowered suspension as well as a derestrictor for top speed.
The mere fact it has proper ambient lighting and front parking sensors unlike a Clubsport sells it to me :laugh:
Oh and I like the Pure Grey paint. It matches my hair. :whistle:
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There will be options of an Akrapovič and lowered suspension as well as a derestrictor for top speed.
Yes... like the "performance" extras for the R.... which should push the price towards 40k! (well if they actually sold it in the UK, which they don't)
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Hi all,
Anyone got any information as to whether the TCR will be released in the UK? Nothing actually official as far as I can work out. Ive done the live chat with Vw uk customer services but doubt they actually know anything tbh!!
Various dealers have said various things to me so they’re no clearer. Any wisdom out there?
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I believe it is coming towards the end of the year, but like you I haven't heard that through any official sources. VW customer services and dealers are usually useless for providing that sort of information until its been through the press office.
The UK is a really big market for GTi's, one of the biggest in fact, so i'd be quite surprised if it didn't make it to these shores.
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I really hope so. Looking forward to getting back in a gti!
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Auto Express article today saying that the TCR will be released at the end of 2018. It’s a virtual rehash of their earlier articles but seems promising despite what Vw uk customer services have told us!
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Let's hope the door graphics are optional :shocked:
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Luckily I think they are! :grin:
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Luckily I think they are! :grin:
:grin: Remind of the Air-bumps on a Cactus!
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You’ve put me right off it now... :laugh:
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Arriving soon on Pistonheads a plethora of Golf TCR's starting at £45k :whistle:
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Latest news from evo
https://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf-gti-clubsport/21213/new-volkswagen-golf-gti-tcr-to-top-realigned-gti-range
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Read the Evo article yesterday. Anyone got any ideas about possible pricing?
My dealer assured me that the TCR wouldn’t see the light of day as a Mk7 and would actually be a Mk8. :grin:
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Read the Evo article yesterday. Anyone got any ideas about possible pricing?
My dealer assured me that the TCR wouldn’t see the light of day as a Mk7 and would actually be a Mk8. :grin:
Got to £35k without options I imagine. Then the must have Akrapovic exhaust option will be £1500/2k. So probably touching £40k with right spec.
I have always found dealers know very little about new models (and the cars they sell!) so most people can know more than they do.
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Also says its 20mm lower than a GTI.. Doesn't look it that first picture on the latest evo article. Looks higher :rolleyes:
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Also says its 20mm lower than a GTI.. Doesn't look it that first picture on the latest evo article. Looks higher :rolleyes:
I thought the same thing. Wondered if it looked that way because of the new rear diffuser.
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Read the Evo article yesterday. Anyone got any ideas about possible pricing?
My dealer assured me that the TCR wouldn’t see the light of day as a Mk7 and would actually be a Mk8. :grin:
Got to £35k without options I imagine. Then the must have Akrapovic exhaust option will be £1500/2k. So probably touching £40k with right spec.
I have always found dealers know very little about new models (and the cars they sell!) so most people can know more than they do.
Was the original price of the clubsport dsg around £32.5k? Hoping it'll be closer to that. It'd be crazy at around 40k.
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Read the Evo article yesterday. Anyone got any ideas about possible pricing?
My dealer assured me that the TCR wouldn’t see the light of day as a Mk7 and would actually be a Mk8. :grin:
Got to £35k without options I imagine. Then the must have Akrapovic exhaust option will be £1500/2k. So probably touching £40k with right spec.
I have always found dealers know very little about new models (and the cars they sell!) so most people can know more than they do.
Was the original price of the clubsport dsg around £32.5k? Hoping it'll be closer to that. It'd be crazy at around 40k.
My 5dr GTI performance with DSG and metallic is £32,330 with no other options so TCR will be chunk extra for sure. Akra exhaust on R is actually a £3k option!!
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Also says its 20mm lower than a GTI.. Doesn't look it that first picture on the latest evo article. Looks higher :rolleyes:
I thought the same thing. Wondered if it looked that way because of the new rear diffuser.
I was just looking at the massive gap over the rear wheels!
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Also says its 20mm lower than a GTI.. Doesn't look it that first picture on the latest evo article. Looks higher :rolleyes:
I thought the same thing. Wondered if it looked that way because of the new rear diffuser.
I was just looking at the massive gap over the rear wheels!
Maybe they've still got the transport blocks on. :wink: