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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: 245PS on 24 May 2020, 19:26
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Hey guys. I’m in the market for one of these, I think. I’ve been around the houses but back to wanting one. Very few and far between of course, and I know the spec I want. Trouble is, the only one that almost fits the bill is nearly £30k. In my head I was only wanting to spend £25k, tops. But I guess if it holds it’s value well perhaps I can spend a bit more...
Problem then is you start looking at what else £30k buys... arrrrgh!!!
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Audi rs3 :smiley:
https://www.arnoldclark.com/used-cars/volkswagen/golf/2-0-tsi-gti-clubsport-40-3dr/2017/ref/arnhn-u-23826
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They are great cars, I have one, but nearly £30k sounds a lot - just out of curiosity what's the spec?
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Audi rs3 :smiley:
Exactly that! There are a few poverty spec almost new ones for mid- low 30s! Problem is your in RS running costs and presumably the £500/year road tax that is like to avoid.
Nice car at Arnold Clark. Wrong seats and gearbox tho for me.
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They are great cars, I have one, but nearly £30k sounds a lot - just out of curiosity what's the spec?
Fully loaded by the looks, pan roof, Dynaudio, bucket seats, DCC, oryx white (if I have that right!), 7k miles
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Audi rs3 :smiley:
Exactly that! There are a few poverty spec almost new ones for mid- low 30s! Problem is your in RS running costs and presumably the £500/year road tax that is like to avoid.
Nice car at Arnold Clark. Wrong seats and gearbox tho for me.
Nice rs3 :smiley:
https://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/rs3-8v-2.417343/
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Yeah that is nice, what year is it?
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I have a clubsport I would sell for less than £30k. 😀
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£30k, it not an CSS??? even high spec one's seem to be from £27k downwards i've noticed.
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Hey guys. I’m in the market for one of these, I think. I’ve been around the houses but back to wanting one. Very few and far between of course, and I know the spec I want. Trouble is, the only one that almost fits the bill is nearly £30k. In my head I was only wanting to spend £25k, tops. But I guess if it holds it’s value well perhaps I can spend a bit more...
Problem then is you start looking at what else £30k buys... arrrrgh!!!
What spec are you looking for?!
I can see 2 very high spec with low miles for £26999...
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Hey guys. I’m in the market for one of these, I think. I’ve been around the houses but back to wanting one. Very few and far between of course, and I know the spec I want. Trouble is, the only one that almost fits the bill is nearly £30k. In my head I was only wanting to spend £25k, tops. But I guess if it holds it’s value well perhaps I can spend a bit more...
Problem then is you start looking at what else £30k buys... arrrrgh!!!
What spec are you looking for?!
I can see 2 very high spec with low miles for £26999...
I’d like:
DCC
Pan roof
DSG
Buckets
Dynaudio
18’s
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Hey guys. I’m in the market for one of these, I think. I’ve been around the houses but back to wanting one. Very few and far between of course, and I know the spec I want. Trouble is, the only one that almost fits the bill is nearly £30k. In my head I was only wanting to spend £25k, tops. But I guess if it holds it’s value well perhaps I can spend a bit more...
Problem then is you start looking at what else £30k buys... arrrrgh!!!
What spec are you looking for?!
I can see 2 very high spec with low miles for £26999...
I’d like:
DCC
Pan roof
DSG
Buckets
Dynaudio
18’s
Silver one on autotrader for £27k . Only thing don’t have is 18s but has the nice 19s. But wheels easy to change. Has all the other things you want.
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245PS, are you a member of the Clubsport Facebook group?
A wanted ad on there would yield results I’m sure.
Last year Clubsports weren’t fetching great money and I saw a few change hands for around £21K. These cars are about.
Conversely I had a mad moment and part exchanged mine for a TCR last October, mine was a fairly basic spec manual 5 door with Pretorias and the dealership sold mine within a very short space of time advertised at £28k (albeit it was very low mileage and absolutely mint condition).
There is/was one up for sale privately fairly local to me (a member on here) But it’s quite highly modified and manual. I’m assuming you’re after a high spec standard car?
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245PS, are you a member of the Clubsport Facebook group?
A wanted ad on there would yield results I’m sure.
Last year Clubsports weren’t fetching great money and I saw a few change hands for around £21K. These cars are about.
Conversely I had a mad moment and part exchanged mine for a TCR last October, mine was a fairly basic spec manual 5 door with Pretorias and the dealership sold mine within a very short space of time advertised at £28k (albeit it was very low mileage and absolutely mint condition).
There is/was one up for sale privately fairly local to me (a member on here) But it’s quite highly modified and manual. I’m assuming you’re after a high spec standard car?
Ive found in last 6 months CS’s are seeming to become popular now? Quite few people trying to get one
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I follow CS & CSS prices closely, price wise, they seem very spec dependent, other than the usual factors of mileage, condition, fsh, etc which affect all GTi's.
Now they are around 3 years old, having come off of lease deals, I have seen a couple of £20k cars with close to 50k miles and basic spec.
I was keen on a CSS, but didn't need a third 2 seater, so bought a CS in the closest spec to a CSS as I could find.
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Cheers guys for the comments so far.
Is there an online vin decoder that still works does anyone know of? Want to check full spec on one.
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I was keen on a CSS, but didn't need a third 2 seater, so bought a CS in the closest spec to a CSS as I could find.
What spec makes it like the CSS? Sorry, I’m not up on these but keen to learn!
Also, how easy are the buckets to operate? I will often have my kids in the car so this could impact on my 3 versus 5 door choice.
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30k is a lot of money for a 3 year old Golf that has marginal increase in performance over a standard Mk7.
It's a Golf ffs.
A Mk7.5 R is probably less money.
A CSS is a different beast, that does have some rarity value and a brief place in history - assuming a stripped out track car is what you actually can live with.
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CS edition 40 is a limited production model to celebrate 40 years of the GTI. You seem to know the specification well. Production was limited to 1000 units supplied to the UK. Not sure quite how many landed here , I think someone posted previously around 650?
CSS is a spin off version, 400 built and 150 of those sold in the UK. It’s a two seater with zero options in terms of specification, you could choose to lose the aircon and there were 3 colour options. Buckets are standard. From the drivers seat it’s the same as a CS ED40 with buckets.
Engine has more power (golf R 310 map) DCC and Pretoria wheels are standard, suspension revision to improve track performance but still useable on the road in fact it received glowing reviews. BasicAlly it has more negative camber at the front and a slightly stiffer rear end. Held to Nurburgring lap record in its class for a number years. Do a Google search for more info.
Regarding buckets with 3 door or 5 door. 3 door is a pain in the arse if I am being honest and that’s with two teenagers. Basically the seat position does not slide automatically when Tilting the front seat back to access the back seats and you have to manually slide the seat and the angle of tilt is also small. If you have young children with car seats that you need to change get a 5 door and if you have toddlers the shiny black reads of the seats will not look good unless you take their shoes off. But I love the seats but you lose practicality.
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Thanks Paul
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245PS, are you a member of the Clubsport Facebook group?
A wanted ad on there would yield results I’m sure.
Last year Clubsports weren’t fetching great money and I saw a few change hands for around £21K. These cars are about.
Conversely I had a mad moment and part exchanged mine for a TCR last October, mine was a fairly basic spec manual 5 door with Pretorias and the dealership sold mine within a very short space of time advertised at £28k (albeit it was very low mileage and absolutely mint condition).
There is/was one up for sale privately fairly local to me (a member on here) But it’s quite highly modified and manual. I’m assuming you’re after a high spec standard car?
Yes I'd only buy a standard car, thanks I'll check the FB group out.
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Regarding buckets with 3 door or 5 door. 3 door is a pain in the arse if I am being honest and that’s with two teenagers. Basically the seat position does not slide automatically when Tilting the front seat back to access the back seats and you have to manually slide the seat and the angle of tilt is also small. If you have young children with car seats that you need to change get a 5 door and if you have toddlers the shiny black reads of the seats will not look good unless you take their shoes off. But I love the seats but you lose practicality.
My boys are 5 and nearly 7, so get themselves in/out. 5 door I have no doubt will be best, but if 3 door I could leave the passenger seat slid forward, so when I tilt it there is room for them to get in/out?
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Regarding buckets with 3 door or 5 door. 3 door is a pain in the arse if I am being honest and that’s with two teenagers. Basically the seat position does not slide automatically when Tilting the front seat back to access the back seats and you have to manually slide the seat and the angle of tilt is also small. If you have young children with car seats that you need to change get a 5 door and if you have toddlers the shiny black reads of the seats will not look good unless you take their shoes off. But I love the seats but you lose practicality.
My boys are 5 and nearly 7, so get themselves in/out. 5 door I have no doubt will be best, but if 3 door I could leave the passenger seat slid forward, so when I tilt it there is room for them to get in/out?
The bucket seats in our mk5 r32 requires the front seat to be quite far back so the seat clears the roof
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Regarding buckets with 3 door or 5 door. 3 door is a pain in the arse if I am being honest and that’s with two teenagers. Basically the seat position does not slide automatically when Tilting the front seat back to access the back seats and you have to manually slide the seat and the angle of tilt is also small. If you have young children with car seats that you need to change get a 5 door and if you have toddlers the shiny black reads of the seats will not look good unless you take their shoes off. But I love the seats but you lose practicality.
My boys are 5 and nearly 7, so get themselves in/out. 5 door I have no doubt will be best, but if 3 door I could leave the passenger seat slid forward, so when I tilt it there is room for them to get in/out?
The bucket seats in our mk5 r32 requires the front seat to be quite far back so the seat clears the roof
That’s not the case in the MK7 guys, the bucket seat will still clear the headliner even in its highest and furthest forward position.
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Conversely I had a mad moment and part exchanged mine for a TCR last October
How does it compare?
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I would search Exonian’s previous posts, he’s written several excellent comparison reviews but his view may be different to yours. Based on the specification you want my advice is go for the TCR; for only a few thousand more you’ll get a more recent car, perhaps close to 3 years newer, more equipment some of which was not standard or even available on the ED40. All the benefits of the Facelift model, perhaps even Akrapovic exhaust.
If you want a car to mollycoddle, pamper and you only do a few miles buy the ED40. If you do average mileage and your car will be a workhorse buy a TCR. There’s plenty of choice at the moment. Plus you’ll get a manufacturers warranty.
Each to their own.
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@245PS; bear in mind that many TCR’s had a list price in excess of £40k when new, so those cars will attract the additional annual VED levy of (currently) £325 per year for five years from the end of the first year’s registration, in addition to the standard VED rate of (currently) £150.
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Crikey I wouldn’t want to pay £475/year to tax a Golf.
It will be my daily driver, but I don’t do huge miles, and I do like to mollycoddle my cars, hence I like them to be a bit special in the first place.
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My golf GTi is €570 to tax in Ireland every year and our roads are shocking !
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Wow that is not good at all!!!
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I had an R32 back in the day. Based on engine size it was an eye watering €1809 annual tax. I remember paying €1000 every six months to split it. Makes owning one of these again a non runner until it’s a classic. Ye don’t have it as bad as ye think over there. ( car wise anyway !)
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Based on those sort of numbers I would definitely have to agree with you :whistle:
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Conversely I had a mad moment and part exchanged mine for a TCR last October
How does it compare?
I would search Exonian’s previous posts, he’s written several claptrap comparison reviews but his view may be different to yours. Based on the specification you want my advice is go for the TCR; for only a few thousand more you’ll get a more recent car, perhaps close to 3 years newer, more equipment some of which was not standard or even available on the ED40. All the benefits of the Facelift model, perhaps even Akrapovic exhaust.
If you want a car to mollycoddle, pamper and you only do a few miles buy the ED40. If you do average mileage and your car will be a workhorse buy a TCR. There’s plenty of choice at the moment. Plus you’ll get a manufacturers warranty.
Each to their own.
You’ve summed up my exact thoughts there Paul70
Although a CS40 makes a fantastic daily driver being as user friendly as any other Golf (excluding CSS which has a slight cabin disadvantage/advantage) coupled with a feeling of “this car is a bit special even though it’s just another Golf underneath it all” due to its well executed details.
In my first post in what turned into a rather lengthy thread back in 2017 I said the Clubsport has an air of sense of occasion about it, and in the two years and six months I owned it that opinion didn’t diminish one iota.
I bought the CS because I had another utilitarian car for work and trips to the dump which made every trip out in the Ed40 feel a bit of an event. Silly as that sounds as at the end of the day it is just another Golf, but it has something about it that other Golfs just don’t possess.
For a start, to a semi-educated eye, the CS & CSS look unique from all angles and there’s that smug knowledge that the bumper and wing are genuine aero items which have car anorak kudos (due to the ‘Ring record) but maybe don’t really have a massive effect on the local ring road...
If you want bucket seats then prepare to dig deep as these cars command a premium and I doubt all of them have been sympathetically driven, although most will be cherished cars as they only really appealed to a small band of enthusiasts.
Indeed for a few grand more you can get a TCR with around 2 years warranty on it and is just as rare as a Clubsport Ed40.
The TCR is fully loaded with just about everything if you secure one with a 19” wheel package.
As SR says, beware the original list price! My advice would be to either get one of the first released when the list price was a bit lower and didn’t have the fancy exhaust (the non Akra exhaust still has a unique sound and provides quite a rasp under load or on the overrun but is fairly quiet when cruising), or get one of the last that has 18” wheels and no DCC as these still ride fine and alloys can be changed at any time (although the Belvederes look beautiful in their own right and suit the TCR better than the Ed40 IMO).
The TCR still has the sense of occasion feeling but I don’t think it’ll ever be as sought after as a CS40 which has buckets.
I marginally prefer the TCR to the Ed40, most enthusiasts would say the opposite I reckon, and the enthusiast market is a fickle thing.
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Thanks for taking the time to post, that was an insightful summary! It's the ED40 bucket seats tho that do it for me, and on the flip side, the TCR seats very much don't do it for me, perhaps they are nicer in real life...
As I wait for more ED40s to come on the market I can't help but look at RS3's!! Man, that's a minefield, such a variation in price.
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Fit your own bucket seats to a TCR?
VW didn't make those, someone else did. I am sure someone else more knowledgable than me will be along to tell you exactly who made them.
Might even be able to buy them as VW spares if you are insistant on having OEM part numbers on everything.
As I said earlier, its mental to spunk 30k on a 3 year old car thats only 30k because it has some collectors value and then use it as a daily driver.
I could be wrong, but all of the "special editions" are run out model parts bin specials. Everyone does it to try and make a few new sales to bridge the gap to the next new model most customers are waiting for.
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At least an RS3 has something to justify the price tag.
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I would search Exonian’s previous posts, he’s written several claptrap comparison reviews
You’ve summed up my exact thoughts there Paul70
Wonder how many people noticed your edit Exonian? I would never be so rude!
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Fit your own bucket seats to a TCR?
VW didn't make those, someone else did. I am sure someone else more knowledgable than me will be along to tell you exactly who made them.
Might even be able to buy them as VW spares if you are insistant on having OEM part numbers on everything.
If it’s the ED40 GTI Clubsport bucket seats, I don’t know who made them, but they were eye-wateringly expensive :shocked:.
Check out reply #577 in this post - towards the bottom of the page at the link below.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=284021.577
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Fit your own bucket seats to a TCR?
VW didn't make those, someone else did. I am sure someone else more knowledgable than me will be along to tell you exactly who made them.
Might even be able to buy them as VW spares if you are insistant on having OEM part numbers on everything.
If it’s the ED40 GTI Clubsport bucket seats, I don’t know who made them, but they were eye-wateringly expensive :shocked:.
Check out reply #577 in this post - towards the bottom of the page at the link below.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=284021.577
TWELVE AND A HALF GRAND!!???
Just the thought of that has this Yorkshireman having a seizure in his wallet.
Mrs Groves would be told to go forth and multiply if she wanted to spend that much on a sofa, let alone two seats in a Golf!
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I understand the clubsport seats are made by Recaro, as are many sports seats in German cars.
They are a nice thing to have, but are definitely designed with the larger German businessman in mind , rather than the "race" Recaro buckets I have in a Porsche CS.
245PS, as you are looking for a DSG car, I would seriously consider an RS3, for the engine alone!
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Fit your own bucket seats to a TCR?
VW didn't make those, someone else did. I am sure someone else more knowledgable than me will be along to tell you exactly who made them.
Might even be able to buy them as VW spares if you are insistant on having OEM part numbers on everything.
If it’s the ED40 GTI Clubsport bucket seats, I don’t know who made them, but they were eye-wateringly expensive :shocked:.
Check out reply #577 in this post - towards the bottom of the page at the link below.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=284021.577
TWELVE AND A HALF GRAND!!???
Just the thought of that has this Yorkshireman having a seizure in his wallet.
Mrs Groves would be told to go forth and multiply if she wanted to spend that much on a sofa, let alone two seats in a Golf!
:grin: That made me laugh out loud Fred. Yes, £12.5k is a bit pricey for a couple of car seats. Plus, if you fitted these in a TCR you’d need to tell your insurance company who might also increase your insurance premium!
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Fit your own bucket seats to a TCR?
VW didn't make those, someone else did. I am sure someone else more knowledgable than me will be along to tell you exactly who made them.
Might even be able to buy them as VW spares if you are insistant on having OEM part numbers on everything.
If it’s the ED40 GTI Clubsport bucket seats, I don’t know who made them, but they were eye-wateringly expensive :shocked:.
Check out reply #577 in this post - towards the bottom of the page at the link below.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=284021.577
TWELVE AND A HALF GRAND!!???
Just the thought of that has this Yorkshireman having a seizure in his wallet.
Mrs Groves would be told to go forth and multiply if she wanted to spend that much on a sofa, let alone two seats in a Golf!
:grin: That made me laugh out loud Fred. Yes, £12.5k is a bit pricey for a couple of car seats. Plus, if you fitted these in a TCR you’d need to tell your insurance company who might also increase your insurance premium!
So really then, the £29k ED40 is a bargain...
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It's a bargain if you can get twelve grand for the seats on ebay maybe...
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Could be worse... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/10703514/The-Audi-seats-being-stolen-to-order.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/10703514/The-Audi-seats-being-stolen-to-order.html)
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Fit your own bucket seats to a TCR?
VW didn't make those, someone else did. I am sure someone else more knowledgable than me will be along to tell you exactly who made them.
Might even be able to buy them as VW spares if you are insistant on having OEM part numbers on everything.
If it’s the ED40 GTI Clubsport bucket seats, I don’t know who made them, but they were eye-wateringly expensive :shocked:.
Check out reply #577 in this post - towards the bottom of the page at the link below.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=284021.577
They were made by recaro... https://www.recaro-automotive.com/en/oem/vw/vw-golf-vii-clubsport-s (https://www.recaro-automotive.com/en/oem/vw/vw-golf-vii-clubsport-s). A Recaro Sportster CS with a bit of GTI tartan retrim would do much the same job at around 1k a pop.
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So they were a bargain as a £1350 option!!
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Could be worse... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/10703514/The-Audi-seats-being-stolen-to-order.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/10703514/The-Audi-seats-being-stolen-to-order.html)
I’ve seen a few car being written off due to having the front seats stolen due to cost of replacements
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So they were a bargain as a £1350 option!!
With my leather seats a £1700 option, they were a steal!
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So they were a bargain as a £1350 option!!
With my leather seats a £1700 option, they were a steal!
Are you the infamous TippEx of Tyresmoke??
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So they were a bargain as a £1350 option!!
With my leather seats a £1700 option, they were a steal!
Are you the infamous TippEx of Tyresmoke??
No? I have a twin?
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So they were a bargain as a £1350 option!!
With my leather seats a £1700 option, they were a steal!
Are you the infamous TippEx of Tyresmoke??
No? I have a twin?
So it would seem!!
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Regarding buckets with 3 door or 5 door. 3 door is a pain in the arse if I am being honest and that’s with two teenagers. Basically the seat position does not slide automatically when Tilting the front seat back to access the back seats and you have to manually slide the seat and the angle of tilt is also small. If you have young children with car seats that you need to change get a 5 door and if you have toddlers the shiny black reads of the seats will not look good unless you take their shoes off. But I love the seats but you lose practicality.
Paul could I ask a favour please? Could you tilt your drivers seat forward and take a picture of the space it gives (or doesnt) to get in the back? Assuming you are around 6 ft and have the seat in a sensible, traditional driving position!!
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The people that got the best £££ value out of their Clubsports were those few that managed to land a pre-reg’d car back in 2017 with buckets for circa £29 - £30k
Once we’ve settled on whether the buckets clear the sun visors maybe we can compare relative value of an RS3 versus a three year old Clubsport... :lipsrsealed:
If they were close on price I think I know what I’d rather have
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Regarding buckets with 3 door or 5 door. 3 door is a pain in the arse if I am being honest and that’s with two teenagers. Basically the seat position does not slide automatically when Tilting the front seat back to access the back seats and you have to manually slide the seat and the angle of tilt is also small. If you have young children with car seats that you need to change get a 5 door and if you have toddlers the shiny black reads of the seats will not look good unless you take their shoes off. But I love the seats but you lose practicality.
Paul could I ask a favour please? Could you tilt your drivers seat forward and take a picture of the space it gives (or doesnt) to get in the back? Assuming you are around 6 ft and have the seat in a sensible, traditional driving position!!
I’ll take a pic and upload tomorrow. I’ve a 34 inside leg and the seat back at the bottom is just forward of the door frame, as in 1 to 2 cm. The tilt is rubbish due to the bolsters. With my seat position no one could get in the back without moving the seat forward. My girls always access the backseats via the passenger side. If you have an inside leg of 30 or less you should be OK for backseat access, perhaps 32 if you like sitting close to the steering wheel.
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buckets or no buckets, IF i have anyone that needs get in the back they are always told to you passenger side lol
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Regarding buckets with 3 door or 5 door. 3 door is a pain in the arse if I am being honest and that’s with two teenagers. Basically the seat position does not slide automatically when Tilting the front seat back to access the back seats and you have to manually slide the seat and the angle of tilt is also small. If you have young children with car seats that you need to change get a 5 door and if you have toddlers the shiny black reads of the seats will not look good unless you take their shoes off. But I love the seats but you lose practicality.
Paul could I ask a favour please? Could you tilt your drivers seat forward and take a picture of the space it gives (or doesnt) to get in the back? Assuming you are around 6 ft and have the seat in a sensible, traditional driving position!!
I’ll take a pic and upload tomorrow. I’ve a 34 inside leg and the seat back at the bottom is just forward of the door frame, as in 1 to 2 cm. The tilt is rubbish due to the bolsters. With my seat position no one could get in the back without moving the seat forward. My girls always access the backseats via the passenger side. If you have an inside leg of 30 or less you should be OK for backseat access, perhaps 32 if you like sitting close to the steering wheel.
Wonderful thanks, tho doesn't sound promising!
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If access is such a problem, VW have you covered with the 5 door version or 3 door with the regular Lay Z boy comfort seats? :)
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buckets or no buckets, IF i have anyone that needs get in the back they are always told to you passenger side lol
I tell them to walk or we take a different car. The backseat are decorative :grin:
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The people that got the best £££ value out of their Clubsports were those few that managed to land a pre-reg’d car back in 2017 with buckets for circa £29 - £30k
Once we’ve settled on whether the buckets clear the sun visors maybe we can compare relative value of an RS3 versus a three year old Clubsport... :lipsrsealed:
If they were close on price I think I know what I’d rather have
A mate had a 65 plate RS3 with Dynamic pack which includes the sports exhaust. It's possibly the best sounding engine under £50k. Had a few drives in it and it literally has you grinning from ear to ear. The facelift with 400bhp doesn't sound as good despite being a bit quicker.
That said, dynamically a Clubsport is probably better and more fun.
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The people that got the best £££ value out of their Clubsports were those few that managed to land a pre-reg’d car back in 2017 with buckets for circa £29 - £30k
Once we’ve settled on whether the buckets clear the sun visors maybe we can compare relative value of an RS3 versus a three year old Clubsport... :lipsrsealed:
If they were close on price I think I know what I’d rather have
A mate had a 65 plate RS3 with Dynamic pack which includes the sports exhaust. It's possibly the best sounding engine under £50k. Had a few drives in it and it literally has you grinning from ear to ear. The facelift with 400bhp doesn't sound as good despite being a bit quicker.
That said, dynamically a Clubsport is probably better and more fun.
I agree with the above statement Jim. Dynamically (powertrain wise) the RS3 was fabulous, the speed, noise and traction were brill but it left me a little cold. Even with the optional sport seats I felt you sat on them rather than in them, I preferred the seat in my 63 plate golf. I got back into my non PP golf and was not disappointed but this view is personal, I prefer the lighter nimble handling of the GTI. The OP must test drive the RS3 to determine which one suits his need the best.
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The people that got the best £££ value out of their Clubsports were those few that managed to land a pre-reg’d car back in 2017 with buckets for circa £29 - £30k
Once we’ve settled on whether the buckets clear the sun visors maybe we can compare relative value of an RS3 versus a three year old Clubsport... :lipsrsealed:
If they were close on price I think I know what I’d rather have
A mate had a 65 plate RS3 with Dynamic pack which includes the sports exhaust. It's possibly the best sounding engine under £50k. Had a few drives in it and it literally has you grinning from ear to ear. The facelift with 400bhp doesn't sound as good despite being a bit quicker.
That said, dynamically a Clubsport is probably better and more fun.
I agree with the above statement Jim. Dynamically (powertrain wise) the RS3 was fabulous, the speed, noise and traction were brill but it left me a little cold. Even with the optional sport seats I felt you sat on them rather than in them, I preferred the seat in my 63 plate golf. I got back into my non PP golf and was not disappointed but this view is personal, I prefer the lighter nimble handling of the GTI. The OP must test drive the RS3 to determine which one suits his need the best.
Totally that. Interesting the comment about the non facelift car sounding better than the newer one. However I think the GTI is still winning for me.
Thanks.
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Its very easy though to testdrive a more powerful car than you are used to and think "wow that power amazing".
You are so absorbed with the zoom that you don't notice much else.
And so you end up with a straight line missile that does 8mpg that you get bored with and costs you a fortune.
Unless of course its just about willy waving to people that you know, but honestly your friends and family will zone out about 10 seconds into that conversation....
You either need an actual impressive powerful car (think maybe Porche or Italian exotic) or just something you can live with at a sensible running cost that the kids/dog/ikea fits into.... which is why the GTI is actually a true winner in the real world.
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So very true fredgroves, so very true.
That’s why we end up in sporty Golfs and thankfully there are enough variants of those to keep us amused!
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So the only ED40 that fits the bill doesn't, because it's 3 door! I found a nice 5 door car but it's higher miles (tho not too high) but considerably lower spec. Well, it doesn't have DCC or sunroof. Not having DCC I can cope with, but sunroof I'd really like.
The TCR gives me a much bigger choice, though I am still not sold on the interior. But before I delve deeper in to the TCR, can I tempt anyone with a 5 door ED40 to sell??
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TCR interior is lovely.... in fact the TCR full stop is really nice.... except for it being too expensive from new.
If you gave me a TCR though I'd be as happy as Larry though!
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So the only ED40 that fits the bill doesn't, because it's 3 door! I found a nice 5 door car but it's higher miles (tho not too high) but considerably lower spec. Well, it doesn't have DCC or sunroof. Not having DCC I can cope with, but sunroof I'd really like.
The TCR gives me a much bigger choice, though I am still not sold on the interior. But before I delve deeper in to the TCR, can I tempt anyone with a 5 door ED40 to sell??
Have you sat in a TCR? The material fabric / pattern and texture are much nicer in person. I can vouch for that and in my opinion the TCR interior is fab, it has the ambient lighting etc. If I was buying from scratch now, I’d go for a TCR.
Personally I think a sunroof in an ED40 would devalue the car for many people.
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So the only ED40 that fits the bill doesn't, because it's 3 door! I found a nice 5 door car but it's higher miles (tho not too high) but considerably lower spec. Well, it doesn't have DCC or sunroof. Not having DCC I can cope with, but sunroof I'd really like.
The TCR gives me a much bigger choice, though I am still not sold on the interior. But before I delve deeper in to the TCR, can I tempt anyone with a 5 door ED40 to sell??
Have you sat in a TCR? The material fabric / pattern and texture are much nicer in person. I can vouch for that and in my opinion the TCR interior is fab, it has the ambient lighting etc. If I was buying from scratch now, I’d go for a TCR.
Personally I think a sunroof in an ED40 would devalue the car for many people.
No, but now we are allowed out to play I hope to do so soon. There are a few with full leather but I'd like to try and stay under £40k list price. Doubt that's possible though with Dynaudio and sunroof? And maybe DCC.
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No, but now we are allowed out to play I hope to do so soon. There are a few with full leather but I'd like to try and stay under £40k list price. Doubt that's possible though with Dynaudio and sunroof? And maybe DCC.
DCC is 900, Dynaudio was 500, sunroof was 1200 I think.
They were "from" 35k when they first came out but later ones had the Akra exhaust which bumped it up.
Most I suspect had an optioned colour and many had the sexy wheels.
I think you'd be lucky to find the options you want and it be under 40k (original price for VED purposes) simply because people who added those probably added even more junk, but try..
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Sticking under the £40k threshold given you want a sunroof will necessitate a car without the Akra exhaust which is where the jump in the base price occured. Mine has sunroof, Reifnitz performance pack and Oryx paint on a 19 and is fine. A black roof and the side decals would've added £1100 new so bear that in mind.
As for the interior, for me that was one of the key areas that made me change from my PP, they are basically the same seats which are very comfortable but the materials are so much nicer.
I was really keen on a CS but as it's a daily driver I wanted as new as possible with as much warranty so it had to be a TCR.
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Sticking under the £40k threshold given you want a sunroof will necessitate a car without the Akra exhaust which is where the jump in the base price occured. Mine has sunroof, Reifnitz performance pack and Oryx paint on a 19 and is fine. A black roof and the side decals would've added £1100 new so bear that in mind.
As for the interior, for me that was one of the key areas that made me change from my PP, they are basically the same seats which are very comfortable but the materials are so much nicer.
I was really keen on a CS but as it's a daily driver I wanted as new as possible with as much warranty so it had to be a TCR.
Thanks for the info/opinion/advice, all appreciated
Adam
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Is there any way when you look at a secondhand advert to see if the vehicle is subject to excess road tax?
I suspect not until you go ask the dealer that specific question....
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Is there any way when you look at a secondhand advert to see if the vehicle is subject to excess road tax?
I suspect not until you go ask the dealer that specific question....
Sadly no, not that I have seen thus far!
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I'd like to try and stay under £40k list price. Doubt that's possible though with Dynaudio and sunroof? And maybe DCC.
This can be quite a narrow way of looking at things if you are in the used market. the price you pay is more important than it's original list price. The extra £350 per year luxury VED only equates to a max of £1750 which can easily be made up by buying smart.
Not sure if anybody saw it, but last Friday a red 69 plate (Akrapovic model) TCR came on Autotrader for £29,995 (£3-5k+ cheaper than most places). It had the Performance Pack, sh!ttty stickers, Dynaudio and Pan Roof. This was a £40k+ list price car but the savings on the current screen price versus other cars currently on the market more than outweighed the extra VED per year. Unsurprisingly it got snapped up within days and disappeared from Autotrader yesterday morning.
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I'd like to try and stay under £40k list price. Doubt that's possible though with Dynaudio and sunroof? And maybe DCC.
This can be quite a narrow way of looking at things if you are in the used market. the price you pay is more important than it's original list price. The extra £350 per year luxury VED only equates to a max of £1750 which can easily be made up by buying smart.
Not sure if anybody saw it, but last Friday a red 69 plate (Akrapovic model) TCR came on Autotrader for £29,995 (£3-5k+ cheaper than most places). It had the Performance Pack, sh!ttty stickers, Dynaudio and Pan Roof. This was a £40k+ car but the savings on the screen price more than outweighed the extra VED per year. Unsurprisingly it got snapped up within days and disappeared from Autotrader yesterday morning.
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Very true.
There are a few Red ones around. Now I like red cars, but not sure I could go a TCR in red.
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One problem with such a variance in spec of GTi's when looking to buy, is you can get stuck in the search for your unicorn at a cheap price.
Most of us who didn't buy new have had to compromise on some form of spec or price.
You have to guage your priorities and then you can try for a deal on a specific car.
Good luck!
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Yep for sure.
Todays issue is the Audi RS3!!!!!
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If you want a DSG, I doubt you will be disappointed with the overall drivetrain.... The engine defines the character of that car, where as the CS is pretty good all round and relatively interesting in the world of modern Golf's.
Personally if I wanted a Dsg car, I would go for the RS3 if it is within budget.
As the post 2017 cars were >£40k. you will end up paying the same road tax as a high end TCR, I'm implying that seems more justifuable on the RS3 ?
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If you want a DSG, I doubt you will be disappointed with the overall drivetrain.... The engine defines the character of that car, where as the CS is pretty good all round and relatively interesting in the world of modern Golf's.
Personally if I wanted a Dsg car, I would go for the RS3 if it is within budget.
As the post 2017 cars were >£40k. you will end up paying the same road tax as a high end TCR, I'm implying that seems more justifuable on the RS3 ?
I’d struggle to stomach paying stupid amounts of cash to tax a Golf but an RS3 I could forgive.
What are RS3’s like on fuel?
Not all big capacity engines are rubbish on fuel, a colleague of mine had a few M140i’s on hire and they were no worse on fuel than the Golfs I had!
An RS3 would probably be less affected by mileage versus value than an Ed40. Both quite rare and sought after but the RS3 is just a production model and seems to bottom out at a certain price point.
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for last 6 months or so, i have looked at RS3's myself, even did a vote on my instagram to see other people's views if to buy an RS3 or keep the CS, results came in favor to keep the CS - and few were RS3 owners voted for the CS, i did speak to a couple of them about it and they said basically a CS is more engaging & not just a normal golf/mass produced car, it's an "edition", bit special that you rarely see on the road.
I'm seeing how things go though, i do have a look at them now and then to see if any decent spec ones at a good price, always nice to look.
oh and ref posts about the TCR interior, i thought myself before it was released by the pics that interior colour was horrible, but when i looked at one in the flesh at the dealers.....changed my mind, really nice.
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The TCR interior is nowhere near as gaudy in the flesh as the press photos make out.
It’s actually very upmarket feeling, more so than an R (cloth) interior.
The RS3 is an RS model albeit the bargain basement version! It looks and feels far more special than any Golf when you look at the details closely, special edition or not in my opinion.
But it’s not going to have the light on its feet feeling of the GTI, and on British roads I think the GTI is the sweet spot for performance versus cost versus driving dynamics, unless you live in a big city where the R’s off the line traction from the traffic lights is needed to keep the 320d’s in their place!
I think the RS3 is one of those cars everyone should own for a short time. I think the Instagram people might have been biased too :grin:
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If you want a DSG, I doubt you will be disappointed with the overall drivetrain.... The engine defines the character of that car, where as the CS is pretty good all round and relatively interesting in the world of modern Golf's.
Personally if I wanted a Dsg car, I would go for the RS3 if it is within budget.
As the post 2017 cars were >£40k. you will end up paying the same road tax as a high end TCR, I'm implying that seems more justifuable on the RS3 ?
I’d struggle to stomach paying stupid amounts of cash to tax a Golf but an RS3 I could forgive.
What are RS3’s like on fuel?
Not all big capacity engines are rubbish on fuel, a colleague of mine had a few M140i’s on hire and they were no worse on fuel than the Golfs I had!
An RS3 would probably be less affected by mileage versus value than an Ed40. Both quite rare and sought after but the RS3 is just a production model and seems to bottom out at a certain price point.
Our fuel bill went down by more than 50% coming from a mk5 r32 to a 65 plate rs3 and not much at the price of the rs3 will win against a 458 Ferrari down the 1/4 mile twice the time are on crail raceways timer so the 458 owner can forever see it :grin: the gt3 rs just nosed in front
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Our fuel bill went down by more than 50% coming from a mk5 r32 to a 65 plate rs3 and not much at the price of the rs3 will win against a 458 Ferrari down the 1/4 mile twice the time are on crail raceways timer so the 458 owner can forever see it :grin: the gt3 rs just nosed in front
I used a 15 plate RS3 for a week or so and noticed it was quite a bit worse than 230 GTI at the time on the commute to work. Lots of mid to late teens. If you drive it more sensible then perhaps would be ok but then that engine noise does bring out the child in you!
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There’s a guy at work who’s got a few nice cars. He replaced his C63 with a RS3 last year. I asked how the car was and he said it was quick but looked depressed. 2 months down the road he got rid of it, got another C63 and had a massive grin again. If you want something fast get a RS3, if you want something fun get something else. Also find one magazine review from a reputable motoring journalist that gives the RS3 5/5.
Yep for sure.
Todays issue is the Audi RS3!!!!!
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After a C63 anything would seem dull.
An RS3 is like a Golf R or S3 with the wick turned up. Dull for when you’ve had a bad day and just want to cruise home quietly in comfort yet can hold its own on the local bypass when the i30’s come out to play.
I saw a lovely RS3 today and it sounded nuts, no wonder the driver had the window down. Mind you he was headed for the MaccyD drivethru...
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Ha ha guys, pleased I logged on this evening, these last few posts have been both helpful and humorous. Nice.
I'm struggling to find a Golf I like, for the right money. The only TCR's I like cost more than 2 different lovely RS3's. That said, the TCR is almost new, and the Audi 4 years old. I still can't get my head around the RS3 pricing...
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I had an RSQ3 for just under a year (wanted to scratch the powerful mini-SUV itch). Was a great car and still fun to drive for a big old thing but it was pretty expensive to run with MPG of 26ish driving like a Saint, and service costs on another level to the Golf. We moved house and i was doing a decent amount of miles for work so swapped in the end for a GTI Performance.
Had that for about 1yr until I swapped it for the TCR at the weekend.
The GTI performance was great but was just missing something that I couldn't put my finger on and I never "loved it".
The TCR feels different and a real step up over the GTI performance and i managed to snag one which came under the £40k OTR with the Akra exhaust (its completely worth it btw).
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Having owned a GTI PP some years ago (seems funny saying that) I can imagine it feeling a bit flat as far as power delivery goes after owning an RS 5 pot.
The TCR has a much racier power delivery even though it’s probably minimally quicker at best than a 245PS GTI on the road, it feels more urgent and that is significant I think.
Mind you the price difference between the two is significant also! :laugh:
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Thank you guys for all the input on this thread. Yesterday I put a deposit down on an RS3, but rather than just disappear I wanted to say thanks.
I still love the idea of a Clubsport, and in different times perhaps I would have ended up with one. However with the way things are at the moment, especially with my wifes ultra strict distancing rules, the exercise just didn't allow for it. I'd love to have viewed some, driven some, proven to myself it was the car for me. But I couldn't/haven't and subsequently decided the RS3 was less of a gamble. I didn't want to be disappointed with the Golf. I know I'll love the RS3.
Yesterday I was trying to talk myself in to finding £9k more for the facelift virtual cockpit version, but my with my sensible cap on I went for a low mileage ultra high spec old shape. I can always upgrade to the new one later if I so wish.
Thank you once again guys.
Adam
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Thank you guys for all the input on this thread. Yesterday I put a deposit down on an RS3, but rather than just disappear I wanted to say thanks.
I still love the idea of a Clubsport, and in different times perhaps I would have ended up with one. However with the way things are at the moment, especially with my wifes ultra strict distancing rules, the exercise just didn't allow for it. I'd love to have viewed some, driven some, proven to myself it was the car for me. But I couldn't/haven't and subsequently decided the RS3 was less of a gamble. I didn't want to be disappointed with the Golf. I know I'll love the RS3.
Yesterday I was trying to talk myself in to finding £9k more for the facelift virtual cockpit version, but my with my sensible cap on I went for a low mileage ultra high spec old shape. I can always upgrade to the new one later if I so wish.
Thank you once again guys.
Adam
Good news you’ve bought something did you get a test drive in the rs3 :smiley: when it arrives just leave it in dynamic mode and enjoy
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Wow dropping some serious dollar on a second hand car without a test drive.... bold...some might say.
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Wow dropping some serious dollar on a second hand car without a test drive.... bold...some might say.
Indeed. Main dealer though with a 2 year warranty, and it's a one owner car.
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Wow dropping some serious dollar on a second hand car without a test drive.... bold...some might say.
Indeed. Main dealer though with a 2 year warranty, and it's a one owner car.
Enjoy the car Adam!
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Cheers Paul - I hope I will.
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Cheers Paul - I hope I will.
Who wouldn’t enjoy 400bhp :grin: and being able to destroy most super cars off the line yet still able to potter about at 20
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Who wouldn’t enjoy 400bhp
[pedantmode]
It was 365hp/362bhp on the pre-facelift models
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Good choice of car 245PS :cool:
Don’t forget to post up a photo or ten when you get it :afro:
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Don’t forget to post up a photo or ten when you get it :afro:
You won't need to tell me twice... I certainly will!!
Cheers chaps :)
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yeah congrats on the purchase as well, look forward to seeing the pics. The sound of it will be even better being a PFL
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Any pictures of your new car yet :smiley:
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i personally think you ll be disapointed with the rs3 over a clubsport , although a great car esp the noise the rs3 is “ boring “ to drive compared to a clubsport
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Any pictures of your new car yet :smiley:
Being delivered on Tuesday!
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Wow dropping some serious dollar on a second hand car without a test drive.... bold...some might say.
Indeed. Main dealer though with a 2 year warranty, and it's a one owner car.
I did the same on the A1 SLine 185BHP Black Edition that bought for wife from Ipswich Audi which is 100 + miles drive but extremely low mileage, one owner and 2 years warranty and at a negotiated cash price that was below what was seeing across all the buying options.
A test drive would not tell me too much as had driven an A1 SLine previously and being a main dealer with warranty it did not see a risk at all.
Would definitely test drive anything purchase outside of main dealer though.
RS3 has never been an option for me and as love the TCR so much thats a likely keeper but the RS3 is still scratch want to itch though - looking forward to seeing yours
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Fit your own bucket seats to a TCR?
VW didn't make those, someone else did. I am sure someone else more knowledgable than me will be along to tell you exactly who made them.
Might even be able to buy them as VW spares if you are insistant on having OEM part numbers on everything.
As I said earlier, its mental to spunk 30k on a 3 year old car thats only 30k because it has some collectors value and then use it as a daily driver.
I could be wrong, but all of the "special editions" are run out model parts bin specials. Everyone does it to try and make a few new sales to bridge the gap to the next new model most customers are waiting for.
The buckets on the CSS are made by Recaro. I posted about this a while back in response to seeing that a fellow owner had his stolen. He quoted a replacement cost of £12k or thereabouts. Sceptical, I rang my dealer up and parts confirmed that they'd charge me just over £12k plus a day or two on top of that in labour to assemble them. Apparently it's a major headache for him as he has to order every single component part and then build the seat from scratch.
To put it into perspective, Porsche charge £6,800 for a set of 918 style carbon fibre buckets.
Based on the cost of the seats, you're a getting good value for the other £18k if you're shopping at the £30k price point! :grin:
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you csn just buy recaro CS , not identical but very simlar to the oem clubsport seat , get the rears trimmed to match , that way you get rid of the horrible tcr trim too
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Not everyone dislikes the TCR trim. I suppose you don't like the standard GTi trim either? :grin:
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I like both the TCR trim and The standard GTI tartan trim. I don’t particularly like VW’s modern day interpretation of the tartan in the mk8 GTI though, but that’s one for discussion over on the mk8 forum board :smiley:.
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I like both the TCR trim and The standard GTI tartan trim. I don’t particularly like VW’s modern day interpretation of the tartan in the mk8 GTI though, but that’s one for discussion over on the mk8 forum board :smiley:.
👍👍
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when i was on the look out for a CS, did pause and have a look at the photo's of the new TCR coming out, but i felt the interior wasnt to my liking so went for the CS. Once seeing it in the flesh, changed my mind, it actually does look nice.
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Any pictures of your new car yet :smiley:
Being delivered on Tuesday!
It’s been 48hrs and still no pictures :grin:
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I like both the TCR trim and The standard GTI tartan trim. I don’t particularly like VW’s modern day interpretation of the tartan in the mk8 GTI though, but that’s one for discussion over on the mk8 forum board :smiley:.
no problem with the gti trim 😀
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Any pictures of your new car yet :smiley:
Being delivered on Tuesday!
It’s been 48hrs and still no pictures :grin:
They apparently decided the sunroof needed a service. Which suited me as my SQ5 roof rattled like crazy.
Anyway, it arrives tomorrow morning. Which again suits me as its been raining all weekend and is due to stop today!
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Ah man, how does one post ones pics??
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Ah man, how does one post ones pics??
Got your new car then :smiley: have you been for a blast in it yet
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Ah man, how does one post ones pics??
Upload to a site such as this, and then paste the 'hotlink for forums' into your comment
https://postimages.org/
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Ok this is all you're having for now! My drive is a state as we have builders in. Not had a chance to take it out yet, but when I do I'll find somewhere nice to take some more shots. Going to try and find 5 minutes to at least go and sit in the thing again soon!!
(https://i.postimg.cc/D8GnTGNh/rs36.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/D8GnTGNh)
(https://i.postimg.cc/G89nSTDZ/RS31.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G89nSTDZ)
(https://i.postimg.cc/JypWq5sN/RS32.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JypWq5sN)
(https://i.postimg.cc/gwzW8T2c/RS33.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gwzW8T2c)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hr4mJgHP/rs34.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Hr4mJgHP)
(https://i.postimg.cc/v4dMHBRV/rs35.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/v4dMHBRV)
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Very nice :smiley: is that the black pack and super sport seats I see
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Very nice :smiley: is that the black pack and super sport seats I see
Indeed. I am changing the mirrors to aluminium though. I like the black pack, but certain aspects of it make the car a little too big boy roy for my liking. Will most likely change/repaint the wheels too for the same reason.
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Mind get it in dynamic mode for a bit on your first trip out :smiley:
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can I upload a video too?
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can I upload a video too?
Pretty sure you can or use YouTube and post the link :smiley:
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Shocking quality, but that is not what this video is about!!!
https://youtu.be/0yJdjkK0Jc4
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Lovely sound to it.
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Looks good...... sounds even better!
Congratulations..
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Stunning car, and my god, what a sound. ....
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Superb looking and sounding RS3 :cool: 245PS You'll never get bored of that sound.
With each successive generation chasing higher and higher BHP I wouldn’t mind betting the 367(?)PS versions are probably more user friendly on the road as the torque peaks nice and low in the rev band (from memory).
I think the slightly older ones make reasonable financial sense as the worst of the depreciation is over and they kind of bottom out in price as they’ll always sit above the likes of the R and S3 in retained value.
Definitely a car I’d love to own myself one day.
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Definitely a car I’d love to own myself one day.
same here
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Definitely a car I’d love to own myself one day.
same here
Definitely a car I miss badly
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Well I still haven't driven the thing... I can't get hold of my insurance company!! Finally got them yesterday and their system wouldn't allow it to quote so he said he'd look in to it and come back to me. He's yet to do so...
Also sadly the car has to go back to Reading Audi next week as I'm not happy with the repair they did on the door. There was a bad scratch so they repainted the door, not very well. Nuisance really as I'm 100 miles from them.
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Well I still haven't driven the thing... I can't get hold of my insurance company!! Finally got them yesterday and their system wouldn't allow it to quote so he said he'd look in to it and come back to me. He's yet to do so...
Also sadly the car has to go back to Reading Audi next week as I'm not happy with the repair they did on the door. There was a bad scratch so they repainted the door, not very well. Nuisance really as I'm 100 miles from them.
I’d be sleeping in the car till insurance is sorted :grin: and if it’s going back to Audi arrange for a courtesy car to be waiting for you and drive it there yourself
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Have you managed to get this out for a drive yet
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I started this thread 2 years ago, when I was looking to buy a Clubsport 40. I ended up buying an RS3. That was nice. But I sold it, and bought an S7. That was nice too, in a different way.
Selling that now, and have just put a deposit down on a Clubsport 40!! Result.
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Nice one. :smiley:
What colour and spec have you managed to source??
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Nice one. :smiley:
What colour and spec have you managed to source??
Oryx 5dr, DSG, with pan roof, buckets, DCC, Discover Pro, Dynaudio, and lane assist. On 18's which are my personal preference so I'm well pleased to not have to do the whole "wheels" thing!!
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That's a lovely spec, what plaque number is the car? No idea where mine ended up.
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That's a lovely spec, what plaque number is the car? No idea where mine ended up.
331- Same spec as yours then?