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Model specific boards => Golf mk8 => Topic started by: BanksyGTI on 31 August 2023, 23:37
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The first leaked shots of the ‘finished’ Golf 8.5 surfaced this evening - taken from VW Group’s ‘Mobility Evening’ in Munich that serves as a pre-cursor for the press before the International Motor Show next week.
The Golf was in the background of a photo taken of the brand new Passat. I believe that the Golf in the picture is in R Line trim as the bumper is a close match to the Passat’s, which is also an R Line. It’s common for VW to launch their cars in R Line trim these days too.
The 8.5 GTI will also be unveiled next week, as given away by the following teasers on VW’s German Twitter page.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zXxsKPHb/IMG-4099.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ykSpzjPs)
(https://i.postimg.cc/K84dNrt9/IMG-4100.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w18fxNfJ)
(https://i.postimg.cc/mk853tkf/IMG-4084.png) (https://postimg.cc/9wwbCXyJ)
(https://i.postimg.cc/8Pz3pBX1/IMG-4085.png) (https://postimg.cc/YjT88gwV)
(https://i.postimg.cc/vH2KcgC5/IMG-4086.png) (https://postimg.cc/56vgr04t)
(https://i.postimg.cc/vZ1N98dk/IMG-4087.png) (https://postimg.cc/DST63T0P)
(https://i.postimg.cc/3rBVQbBS/IMG-4088.png) (https://postimg.cc/ThKCr0Bg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/JhZY6T0Q/IMG-4089.png) (https://postimg.cc/WDp7twMD)
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It is a screenshot taken from this video from TopSpeed Slovacchia :whistle:
Wonder what will happen to them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-4qPdM1FIY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-4qPdM1FIY)
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Let's hope they did some pre-production testing on this one :grin:
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Hello there (c)
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwpZElNtqz-/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
:laugh:
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Probably cost 50k before options without and engine cover as std.
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It has potential but I'm going to say they'll have cocked it up again. New Passat looks good except for the interior screen...very ford...
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"Special-edition 2024 Volkswagen Golf GTI 380 celebrates the manual transmission in VW's hot hatch!"
My initial reaction was of total enthusiasm. 380bhp in a GTi with a manual box... Incredible, I will fit that clutch into my mk7 CS when the time comes?
Then I read the article and jumped back from my initial conclusions! :)
https://media.vw.com/en-us/releases/1759
No doubt still a nice car!
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Maybe this is the alternative 8.5. :whistle:
https://youtu.be/GpvCSI9IwJA?feature=shared
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https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/the-new-id-gti-concept-world-premiere-17587
The official blurb.
I quite like it. :smiley:
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"Special-edition 2024 Volkswagen Golf GTI 380 celebrates the manual transmission in VW's hot hatch!"
My initial reaction was of total enthusiasm. 380bhp in a GTi with a manual box... Incredible, I will fit that clutch into my mk7 CS when the time comes?
Then I read the article and jumped back from my initial conclusions! :)
https://media.vw.com/en-us/releases/1759
No doubt still a nice car!
US market only
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"Special-edition 2024 Volkswagen Golf GTI 380 celebrates the manual transmission in VW's hot hatch!"
My initial reaction was of total enthusiasm. 380bhp in a GTi with a manual box... Incredible, I will fit that clutch into my mk7 CS when the time comes?
Then I read the article and jumped back from my initial conclusions! :)
https://media.vw.com/en-us/releases/1759
No doubt still a nice car!
I would dread to think what the clutch would be like on a 380ps manual of that had been the case. My last manual was my 2015 R and it frequently slipped its clutch in 3rd in cold weather with stock 300ps. Would love another manual though.
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Looks like we are going to have new front optics as well. (fangs).
I like it so far.
(https://i.postimg.cc/kX4VS483/2.png) (https://postimages.org/)
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So, is the 8.5 supposed to be unveiled at the motor show this week?
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That was certainly my impression but with all the ID. GTI and Passat talk, there’s been nothing. Maybe later in the week as an easter egg.
What I really do like is the attitude of new VW under Thomas Schafer who’s bringing a total culture change. Proof will be in the pudding but it’s a good start so far
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/tech/volkswagen-wont-bring-car-road-again-thousands-problems?fbclid=IwAR1pJqxu4kIthXC_OLrxsk74JYuVShXANgGjPUGyXA-B-nqf45IFwesI6_s_aem_Af5Ozsc7-Wi-AOdnE6BPm6En5s20s8BFNexDUxsXlgBZspTO6wANlymE347OYP7JL48
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So, is the 8.5 supposed to be unveiled at the motor show this week?
The show has just started today, and will last till the end of the week. Let's see how it goes. Anyway we'll see it very soon since journalists have already made a review.
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https://www.motor1.com/news/686436/2024-vw-golf-facelift-spied/
Latest spy shots. These have to be some of the worst looking wheels I've seen.
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https://www.motor1.com/news/686436/2024-vw-golf-facelift-spied/
Latest spy shots. These have to be some of the worst looking wheels I've seen.
I hope this will only come for the standard Golf. So GTI & R would get a better option. This looks more like EV wheels, though it's not even a hybrid shown on a photo.
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Has the 8.5 been officially announced yet? If not, when is it likely to happen?
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Has the 8.5 been officially announced yet? If not, when is it likely to happen?
Nope. Most likely October.
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Here it is folks: https://www.motor1.com/news/689715/volkswagen-golf-gti-facelift-spy-photos/
I do like the slimmer lights at the front, looks a lot more mean/aggressive!
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Here it is folks: https://www.motor1.com/news/689715/volkswagen-golf-gti-facelift-spy-photos/
I do like the slimmer lights at the front, looks a lot more mean/aggressive!
It looks nice. I'm still wondering about the front and rear lights. From what we've seen, rear should look like new passat/tiguan I guess. And the front should change as well (I can't see changes on the picture now, only the shape). And what I love is that the front bumper allows to keep the X-shaped LED lights in the corners, so we will probably see them again (LOVE it during the night riding, all eyes are yours).
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Here it is folks: https://www.motor1.com/news/689715/volkswagen-golf-gti-facelift-spy-photos/
I do like the slimmer lights at the front, looks a lot more mean/aggressive!
This is different? :laugh: very subtle changes. Although, do I spy a bigger screen inside?
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I believe the front optics graphics is still hidden. It should be more different from the original Golf 8.
I'm inclined to believe this fangs will be lightened as well during the daytime light.
https://prnt.sc/Yi535WEtI-r1
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While all the talk of buttons being back and a few front end tweaks are nice....
As long as they fix the bloody crap software the rest doesn't matter!
And I doubt if it will be any different in that respect.
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While all the talk of buttons being back and a few front end tweaks are nice....
As long as they fix the bloody crap software the rest doesn't matter!
And I doubt if it will be any different in that respect.
Latest cars are pretty much fine now aren't they? Mine is a year old and doesn't have any issues, plus a few people I know with fairly new golfs also have no issues.
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https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1141074_2025-volkswagen-golf-gti-spy-shots
Looks like the driver's dash (screen) will be redesigned as well?
https://images.hgmsites.net/hug/2025-volkswagen-golf-gti-facelift-spy-shots--photo-credit-baldauf_100901737_h.webp
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Yeah its all going to be MIB4 like the Tiggy.
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While all the talk of buttons being back and a few front end tweaks are nice....
As long as they fix the bloody crap software the rest doesn't matter!
And I doubt if it will be any different in that respect.
Not heard of any cars post early 2022 being an issue unless example specific (i.e friday cars instead of issues across the board)
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Have you seen the video of the new Tiggy where the demo shows it bonging like crazy?
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Can you help me with this poll...
https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=289786.0
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Have you seen the video of the new Tiggy where the demo shows it bonging like crazy?
I haven’t, but it’ll be a pre-production model and probably in all sorts of showroom modes. I wouldn’t take too much from that
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The new GTI is on the UK VW website? Is this it?
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/new/golf-gti.html#build
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The new GTI is on the UK VW website? Is this it?
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/new/golf-gti.html#build
No, that’s the current mk8 GTI. The mk8.5 facelift will have a larger infotainment screen, and the spy shots of pre-production mk8.5’s being tested show it having a very slim upper grille and slimmed down headlights.
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The new GTI is on the UK VW website? Is this it?
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/new/golf-gti.html#build
No, that’s the current mk8 GTI. The mk8.5 facelift will have a larger infotainment screen, and the spy shots of pre-production mk8.5’s being tested show it having a very slim upper grille and slimmed down headlights.
Ah ok got too excited there!
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According to the rumors (motor.es), Tiguan R is going to be a plug-in, just like the Touareg R. I hope Golf R won't face such fate..
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Latest spy shots of the 8.5 GTI:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-golf-gti
If even 60-70% of things mentioned in this article become true then we could be in-line for more changes than we'd usually expect from a mid-life facelift. The new front end looks great, the subtle changes make it look a lot more mean.
Would have preferred a full width light bar in the rear though similar to some newer VWs.
I think we can definitely expect the base price to be over £40k for this and that's without adding any options, meaning the £500 road tax would be a killer!
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Agree on the starting price being north of £40k, bearing in mind the list price of the current GTI is now £39,575 before options. However, maybe VW will adopt subscription-based services as a means of keeping the base list price below £40k, with owners then being able to retro-purchase certain options via OTA activation?
Unless it’s a dummy sensor in the Autocar pictures, moving the front radar sensor to the lower grille (mk7 style) rather than having it behind the VW badge in the upper grille seems a strange move…….
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New rear lights design for the 8.5
https://media.autoexpress.co.uk/image/private/s--KIjVaUa3--/f_auto,t_content-image-full-desktop@1/v1699879192/autoexpress/2023/11/2024%20Volkswagen%20Golf%20teaser.jpg
Autoexpress also states it will debut later this year, and sales early 2024. Whom to believe?))
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/358924/new-2024-volkswagen-golf-back-basics-mid-life-facelift
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VW UK heavily promoting their deal for ‘in stock’ Golfs with a £3k deposit contribution and 5.9% APR for the latter end of November again pointing towards a model run down, as does a lot of the current dealer stock cars having leather and sunroofs as they clear parts.
Makes me think a 2nd quarter 2024 full launch for the revised car(?)
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VW UK heavily promoting their deal for ‘in stock’ Golfs with a £3k deposit contribution and 5.9% APR for the latter end of November again pointing towards a model run down, as does a lot of the current dealer stock cars having leather and sunroofs as they clear parts.
Makes me think a 2nd quarter 2024 full launch for the revised car(?)
I think you’re probably right.
I’ve not read the Auto Express article at the link posted by @Dogman12, but historically, Auto Express haven’t been renowned for the accuracy of content in some of their articles. I’d therefore take any launch or sale dates they may have quoted with a pinch of salt.
Based on VW’s track record with the mk8, the cynic in me thinks a Q2 2024 launch would hopefully give VW time to sort out any software problems that they might have inadvertently ‘designed’ into the car :whistle::whistle:.
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2nd quarter 2024 for the "launch" which will be anything but performance models.
Q3 for performance books opening. Dealer stock orders arrive in December 2024/January 2025.
Customer factory orders start arriving from June 2025.
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2nd quarter 2024 for the "launch" which will be anything but performance models.
Q3 for performance books opening. Dealer stock orders arrive in December 2024/January 2025.
Customer factory orders start arriving from June 2025.
Where the info from? ;)
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2nd quarter 2024 for the "launch" which will be anything but performance models.
Q3 for performance books opening. Dealer stock orders arrive in December 2024/January 2025.
Customer factory orders start arriving from June 2025.
Yes, based on previous model launches, that seems to be a realistic timescale for customer factory orders for performance models.
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2nd quarter 2024 for the "launch" which will be anything but performance models.
Q3 for performance books opening. Dealer stock orders arrive in December 2024/January 2025.
Customer factory orders start arriving from June 2025.
Where the info from? ;)
Just having been around Golf launches for a while now.... thats the pattern it follows.
And that assumes they manage to fix problems like component assemblies from Ukraine and flooding in the Czech republic.
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I can definitely understand that timeline from a new model perspective, but seems excessive for a facelift where customer orders get delivered from mid 2025. Although, I haven't followed timelines of previous facelifts closely enough tbh. Will be interesting once more details start to emerge.
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They normally do their retooling over the August factory shutdown.... which is another factor in my timeline btw. They won't be making ANY Mk8.5 until after the summer shutdown. (thats manufacturing for you - my world!)
It does seem a little of an excessive timeline but you have to remember its largely driven by media speculation that makes you aware before the announce date.
If you weren't to hear about it until mid 2024 (Q2) and they told you "performance models will follow", followed by Q3 them becoming available to order (12 weeks later).... i don't think 6 months for a new model and a factory order sounds extreme.
It just sounds extreme because you are hearing about rumours of it a year before the official announcement!
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Has this one been posted before here?
https://youtu.be/PuhSRnnIAGg?si=WriWg-rk2eawQnm9
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https://www.carscoops.com/2023/11/facelifted-vw-golf-variant-to-look-more-like-the-passat-than-ever-before/
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https://www.autoevolution.com/news/mind-the-camo-2025-vw-golf-r-variant-spied-in-europe-feeling-at-home-on-snow-and-ice-226146.html
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The new id.2 All was revealed this week, with a much improved interior from VW. Steering wheel looks great, and there is also a row of physical buttons just below the infotainment screen.
The Golf 8.5 is confirmed to have physical buttons on the steering wheel, but looking at all the latest news articles, I'm feeling more and more confident there will be a row of physical buttons below the infotainment screen.
I know it's not important for some, but it was a real deal breaker for me with the mk8.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1MgIf7UP-0
https://insideevs.com/news/701296/vw-physical-controls-to-return/
https://www.thedrive.com/news/vw-is-putting-buttons-back-in-cars-because-people-complained-enough
https://www.gearpatrol.com/cars/a46165171/volkswagen-physical-buttons/
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Physical buttons but an awful looking dash on the ID2.....hopefully the 8.5 will not be anything like that.
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That id dash is no different to the Mk8.
Four physical buttons (plus hazards)
And non haptic steering wheel which I don't think anyone ever said is a problem.
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New video from VW. Towards the end of the video they show the frontend of the 8.5 with an illuminated VW badge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkUYnq91IJo&t=112s
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There is an article from today suggesting VW may bring back the manual gearbox too for the GTI:
https://www.motor1.com/news/702035/2024-volkswagen-golf-facelift-teaser/
Anyone heard anything about this from someone at VW?
Maybe the manual gearbox and no options is the only way to keep the car below the £40k price point.
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I don’t like the lightbar on the mk8 but seems they have gone overboard now with the VW badge illumination its awful
Maybe it got lost in translation - customers wanted illuminated heating controls not the badge!
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I don’t like the lightbar on the mk8 but seems they have gone overboard now with the VW badge illumination its awful
Maybe it got lost in translation - customers wanted illuminated heating controls not the badge!
Agree - I’ve always thought the light bar was a bit tacky; that’s just my opinion though, and I’m sure there are many that really like it. The light bar also has a slightly yellow-ish tint compared to the headlight colour when you meet a mk8 with light bar coming towards you after dark.
When VW designed the light bar into some of their cars (latest Polo GTI has one too, as does the ID range), maybe it was their modern interpretation of the front end of some American cars of a few years back? - The 1980’s / 1990’s American Mercury Sable had a very prominent light panel between the headlamps;
(https://i.postimg.cc/KYPrQShd/IMG-0398.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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I don’t like the lightbar on the mk8 but seems they have gone overboard now with the VW badge illumination its awful
Maybe it got lost in translation - customers wanted illuminated heating controls not the badge!
Agree - I’ve always thought the light bar was a bit tacky; that’s just my opinion though, and I’m sure there are many that really like it. The light bar also has a slightly yellow-ish tint compared to the headlight colour when you meet a mk8 with light bar coming towards you after dark.
When VW designed the light bar into some of their cars (latest Polo GTI has one too, as does the ID range), maybe it was their modern interpretation of the front end of some American cars of a few years back? - The 1980’s / 1990’s American Mercury Sable had a very prominent light panel between the headlamps;
(https://i.postimg.cc/KYPrQShd/IMG-0398.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
i do like this Christmas tree together with the fog lights on my MK8 GTI :smiley: I hope they'll leave same fog lights in 8.5 GTI.
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The illuminated front badge was touted for the Mk8 but it's illegal in the UK and maybe Europe. Possibly not elsewhere...
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According to some information, Golf 8.5 might be presented on January 18th, 2024 .
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Hi
I was getting excited but having seen the Vwvideo and looked closely, I really don’t think it’s the Mk 8.5
firstly that model at end of video has roof rails, also look at light signature.
i think it’s trailer for ID7 Estate/Wagon/Tourer.
so the wait continues for Mk8.5 but I can help think VW would be unveiling in line with 50th anniversary of mk1 debut which I have as Feb/March time. (So that’s my twopenneth)
As the mk1 was originally unveiled in late Feb 1974 before first public debut at Geneva 1974 and then went on sale in May 1974 (as far as my research has found)
It would be good if your info on 18th Jan is . I look forward to the new year. I can imagine any presentation will involve a huge presentation with the mk1-7 models shown before 8.5 appears for 50th Birthday.
VW aren’t going to Geneva in 2024 so I am sure they will have their own little event and the GTI festival that was at Worthsee will be in Wolfsburg next year too.
thats my festive predictions, Merry Christmas to all and Happy New Year
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PS ignore me, I’ve been put straight on the other forum. The lights and lines of bonnet do match the golf 8.5 test cars already seen on road.
The roof rails are weird but maybe that’s to throw us off.
New year present with unveil in Jan would be good. @Dogman12 hope your info turns out to be true😀
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Hi
I was getting excited but having seen the Vwvideo and looked closely, I really don’t think it’s the Mk 8.5
The forthcoming launch of the mk8.5 facelift - whenever that might be - doesn’t really excite me, but then I’m old and some might say grumpy :grin:. The Golf’s forthcoming mid life facelift will almost certainly follow VW’s tried and tested formula for facelifts; small and relatively low cost changes to maintain customer interest and sales through to the end of the car’s lifecycle. I’d expect VW to increase the list prices of the facelift model range too.
Externally, there’ll the few mild cosmetic changes that have been seen (mildly camouflaged or otherwise) in pre-production spy shots; tweaks to bumper designs and head / tail lamps, and the revised slimmed-down upper grille. There might be some new paint colours and maybe different alloy wheel designs for some models. The uninitiated are unlikely to even notice the changes.
Internally, some of the changes might be more obvious; a larger iPad (infotainment screen) stuck on the dash that has been seen in some of the pre-production test car spy shots, and the return of some physical buttons and switches, and maybe illumination of the slider panel below the infotainment screen. The facelift car might also get the forthcoming new Tiguan’s BMW-style i-drive rotary controller on the centre console to address some of the ‘difficult to use and navigate’ comments of the current infotainment screen.
IMHO the biggest win would be for VW to resolve the remaining software gremlins.
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I'm not entirely sure they will have dealt with the software problems. In fact new hardware will probably introduce more...
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I'm not entirely sure they will have dealt with the software problems. In fact new hardware will probably introduce more...
Sadly, I’m inclined to agree - the bongs may well continue………. :angry:
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Previous information I shared above officially confirmed :smiley:
(https://img.motor-talk.de/KmQJHZo6pGfHjkv-.59.jpg)
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2nd quarter 2024 for the "launch" which will be anything but performance models.
Q3 for performance books opening. Dealer stock orders arrive in December 2024/January 2025.
Customer factory orders start arriving from June 2025.
I don't think the announcement changes my predictions...
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In the anniversary year 2024, Volkswagen will present the evolutionary development of the eighth Golf generation. It will impress with visually refined features, new assist systems and powertrains, and also next-generation infotainment systems and software. The world premiere of the new Golf is just a few weeks away, with pre-sales scheduled for spring 2024. (с) Volkswagen
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Q2 is only twelve weeks away... And that is spring
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I think the most undecided thing is whether this is a 8.5 or a 9 tho...
We've only seen a .5 once haven't we?
I think they'll be desperate to avoid saying it's mk8 derived...
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I think the most undecided thing is whether this is a 8.5 or a 9 tho...
We've only seen a .5 once haven't we?
I think they'll be desperate to avoid saying it's mk8 derived...
No, this is gonna be 8.5. They called "The all-new Tiguan" since it's a new generation, and this is gonna be just "The new Golf".
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Will definitely be a MK8 facelift, they actually say so in their blurb.
(https://i.postimg.cc/c17rgQLk/IMG-3453.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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:huh: :smug: :rolleyes:
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZKDL8x2J/temp-Image0-Kr9-MQ.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6ynRwnBP)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NGDDMcx9/temp-Imagew-Kd-Mc-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6T7njFgt)
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2nd quarter 2024 for the "launch" which will be anything but performance models.
Q3 for performance books opening. Dealer stock orders arrive in December 2024/January 2025.
Customer factory orders start arriving from June 2025.
I don't think the announcement changes my predictions...
I'm gonna keep saying it...
I remember the mk7 and mk8 launches... and I remember the mk8 even more because I needed a new car and waited and waited and waited and got really fed up! So fed up I almost bought a BMW...
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:huh: :smug: :rolleyes:
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZKDL8x2J/temp-Image0-Kr9-MQ.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6ynRwnBP)
Looks like the rear lights in the Arteon, which are the best in class in my opinion. Absolutely love them.
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2nd quarter 2024 for the "launch" which will be anything but performance models.
Q3 for performance books opening. Dealer stock orders arrive in December 2024/January 2025.
Customer factory orders start arriving from June 2025.
I don't think the announcement changes my predictions...
I'm gonna keep saying it...
I remember the mk7 and mk8 launches... and I remember the mk8 even more because I needed a new car and waited and waited and waited and got really fed up! So fed up I almost bought a BMW...
I had the same experience, except I actually bought the BMW! 😬
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I had the same experience, except I actually bought the BMW! 😬
Likewise. 😁
Mind you I thought the mk8 was so ugly from the early spy shots I vowed never to buy a Golf again.
And I’ve now had a further two Golfs since saying that! 🙄
I like the AI on board graphic, ohh these Germans and their sense of humour… :whistle:
(The first time you moan about haptics and UI lag the AI will be plotting your demise!! :wink: )
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I'm sure AI will fix the bongs...
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I'd be interested to know if the mk8.5 will have the customisable taillights where you can change the design like the Tiguan.
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Is this likely to be the reveal of the 8.5? I thought VW had said that would be towards the end of January? The screenshot of the AI on board does look like the same shape as the Golf's tail lights so will be interesting!
Although it could just be a reveal of their infotainment system that they will be putting into the new models.
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Is this likely to be the reveal of the 8.5? I thought VW had said that would be towards the end of January? The screenshot of the AI on board does look like the same shape as the Golf's tail lights so will be interesting!
Although it could just be a reveal of their infotainment system that they will be putting into the new models.
Original Golf 8.5 presentation supposed to be on January 17th-18th.
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I think the hashtags are the clue. #CES2024
This will just be a technology/infotainment/autonomous driving announcement.
@Dogman12 I think your date for later in Jan still stands. VW don't want to announce the 8.5 with all the other competing announcements at a show.
VW are likely to have their own presentation with a procession of all the previous models and then (big drumroll) the unveiling of 8.5 That's my take.
I think the best we can expect is what they did with ID7. If I recall, that was shown at CES2023 but in camouflage as they were shouting about their latest MIB infotainment as I recall. The car then appeared later in year.
@Fredgroves - Don't despair as VW have actually said later in Jan (1 week down, already)
@Exonian - Is the rumour true you will be featuring on the new VW ads... "So good I bought two Golf mk8s" :wink: :grin:
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Although it could just be a reveal of their infotainment system that they will be putting into the new models.
that might be the case, since CES is all about tech & electronics
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@Exonian - Is the rumour true you will be featuring on the new VW ads... "So good I bought two Golf mk8s" :wink: :grin:
:grin:
Here’s the last VW ad I appeared in….
https://youtu.be/2wBUYG6_YMI?si=p7FDrKHPan5Jo6LB
The next one I’m in will be similar but featuring the mk8 infotainment! 😁
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Article regarding what could be presented today:
https://www.carscoops.com/2024/01/vw-is-bringing-some-intriguing-ai-tech-to-ces/
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Everything has to be "AI" even if that means its not actually AI...
Probably at best its a large language model derived voice control system so you can say things like "brrrrr its a bit chilly today" or "its brass monkeys weather!" and it understands that rather than just "hello volkswagen, turn heating up".
Of course it will need to be online connected for it to work and because its VW it will whirl its little icon then say "did you mean navigate to Leeds?"
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Here is a more visible view which shows the GTI badge...wonder what model VW is it...mmmmmmm :grin:
From VW LinkedIn "Volkswagen and Cerence Inc. will reveal a first-of-its-kind, generative AI-powered technology that is designed to deliver to drivers a next-generation user experience at a joint press event at CES 2024 on Monday, January 8, 2024. Executives from both Volkswagen and Cerence will introduce this partnership, share details behind their collaboration, and reveal the AI-powered technology.
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https://www.linkedin.com/events/volkswagenandcerencetounveilai-7150063687561592832/theater/
(https://i.postimg.cc/qMbBt3WV/temp-Image-AL5red.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KRThwRZJ)
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Here is a more visible view which shows the GTI badge...wonder what model VW is it...mmmmmmm :grin:
Where's the picture from ? :undecided:
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Thanks Massimo. Just came across that now too.
@Dogman it's a LinkedIn post from VW which you can see here: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7149384113660112896/
We will be able to watch it here live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToZAVlLqzmo
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Thanks Massimo. Just came across that now too.
@Dogman it's a LinkedIn post from VW which you can see here: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7149384113660112896/
We will be able to watch it here live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToZAVlLqzmo
oh nice. It's strange they haven't showed the logo on other social media channels ))
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Yes it is strange. Not sure why.
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They've just updated the description in the live YouTube video (link I sent earlier) too which confirms they will show the "New Golf GTI - Near-production prototype" today.
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Here it is folks: https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/first-look-at-final-petrol-powered-vw-golf-gti/48041
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Here it is folks: https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/first-look-at-final-petrol-powered-vw-golf-gti/48041
That screen looks awful, far too big. If that’s the ‘normal’ GTI then expecting a much more aggressive 8.5 Clubsport
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Bet that's the Clubsport variation - no fogs, spoiler extension, oval exhausts....
Not a fan of this to be honest looking more like a squashed Tiguan
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They put physical buttons on the steering wheel, but left the climate buttons still touch? Clearly nobody listened to the users. Steering wheel touch buttons are fine, you need physical buttons for the climate control!
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That must be the Clubsport.
Although minor visual changes only on the outside, the exterior does look good, especially the new bumper design.
I agree, the screen would have been better integrated and also separate physical controls for climate, but tbh this is still a step in the right direction. The physical buttons on the steering wheel and illuminated sliders will be a welcome improvement for many.
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It looks like a Clubsport model as well as the Akrapovic exhaust. But why don't they name it here a "Clubsport GTI", or "50th anniversary edition"? I will be surprised if it is a basic GTI now (of course with Akrapovic as an option), though if it is truth - congratulations! At least now we can be sure that they'll show all Golfs during the presentation later in January.
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Here’s the Autogefuhl review.
Thomas states that he will give an update about the reveal in a couple of days from now, having just watched the VW press conference at CES, it seems the car will have its world premier this week.
https://youtu.be/f1NOKptf2Xw?si=dohsN79zObPdOU2z
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv6P2kkfxNg
omg what a nice sound..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv6P2kkfxNg
omg what a nice sound..
The above video shows a camera integrated into the door mirror, confirming the 8.5 will have a 360’ view camera as an option.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv6P2kkfxNg
omg what a nice sound..
The above video shows a camera integrated into the door mirror, confirming the 8.5 will have a 360’ view camera as an option.
exactly!
I still can't find the confirmation whether this is basic GTI or the Clubsport.. :undecided:
all in all should be the Clubsport. I see one video from German Youtuber who claims this is the Clubsport.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxwghImgcjo
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Going by the front brakes alone I’d say it was the clubsport, although, it’s highly possible that it may be a 50 years special addition, featuring akro exhaust, pan roof, 19’s etc as standard. 🤷♂️
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If you were waiting for physical buttons... Fail.
Typical corporate crap, talk about listening to the customer and then.... Add AI.
For sure that's what everyone wanted...
Least I can can feel smug with my prediction though.
Trouble is, right now everything has to have the term "AI" attached to it. Or so the marketing people will tell you. I don't think many end users want it much. Especially not car buyers... Unless it's self driving AI maybe... Assuming it doesn't have a million faults like tesla
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I'm just hoping it hasn't got hybrid power. Pure petrol please VW!
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I'm just hoping it hasn't got hybrid power. Pure petrol please VW!
I suspect it will be a MHEV like the 1.0 engine and so on
And 50k with just a few options
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They put physical buttons on the steering wheel, but left the climate buttons still touch? Clearly nobody listened to the users. Steering wheel touch buttons are fine, you need physical buttons for the climate control!
This is what you get when you let the accountants and marketing woke generation tell Engineers what they have to do.
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I think it's a bit late for a mild hybrid two litre turbo. They bottled it with the Mk8 I doubt they've bothered now.
Euro 7 was backed right off so little point in the investment too.
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If it is a MHEV then I will be considering a low mileage 7.5 or a new mk8 which I need to order quickly then.
Looking to run my next car to the ground rather than changing cars and these hybrid batteries cost upwards of £6-7k to replace including labour, so would rather have pure petrol.
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I think it's a bit late for a mild hybrid two litre turbo. They bottled it with the Mk8 I doubt they've bothered now.
Euro 7 was backed right off so little point in the investment too.
Really hope you're right Fred. But the new Touareg R which is coming out is mild hybrid.
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So the release shots are out with some mild camo wrap
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/VW/golf-gti/48041?fbclid=IwAR2DqTNVqbun-WhEBRdU-mTPcVNPzlwZJSGmdotHN-oC4doTvuMafQhd1bc
(https://i.postimg.cc/zXz1rmFr/Screenshot-2024-01-08-at-20-58-25.png) (https://postimg.cc/14jdGjdC)
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If it is a MHEV then I will be considering a low mileage 7.5 or a new mk8 which I need to order quickly then.
Looking to run my next car to the ground rather than changing cars and these hybrid batteries cost upwards of £6-7k to replace including labour, so would rather have pure petrol.
I don’t think the drivetrain will be having any updates other than a small power increase, very much doubt it being a MHEV.
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I think it's a bit late for a mild hybrid two litre turbo. They bottled it with the Mk8 I doubt they've bothered now.
Euro 7 was backed right off so little point in the investment too.
Really hope you're right Fred. But the new Touareg R which is coming out is mild hybrid.
No, it is plug-in hybrid just like the pre-facelift version of Touareg R.
I have nothing against mild hybridisation if they decide to add it to GTI or R versions. Potentially more power from the start, less fuel consumption, and nothing needed from my end. :wink:
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It's definitely a massive improvement in the exterior design imo, I thought the mk8 was too subdued and boring looking after the mk7.5.
Interior is still a lazy design slapping an iPad on the dash without trying to integrate it into the dash. Gear-nib? is still ridiculously pointless and should've just been added to the steering column like in Mercedes. But at least they listened to all the negative reviews and didn't add back normal climate controls.
Seat bolsters still look very low as well.
In regard to a MHEV or PHEV, why resist it? Tune the engine for the top end and let the hybrid do the low end, and you'll get a far better car that's more exciting for the corners! You can't enjoy these cars properly anymore as you get going too quick, and it becomes dangerous, yet a 1 litre rental pinned to the redline barely getting to 40 is great fun.
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It's definitely a massive improvement in the exterior design imo
I'm curious if this is actually the Clubsport version, what's left for the basic GTI? And how far will it differ from current 8... :undecided:
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Definitely agree with you about the exterior design. They've got the frontend spot on. Looks mean.
A light colour i.e white would look great so the fins stand out from the black grill.
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I think the mk8.5 gti will look more like the mk8 clubsport, no fins but has the slight flick up.
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I think the mk8.5 gti will look more like the mk8 clubsport, no fins but has the slight flick up.
probably here is the standard 8.5 GTI ? :smiley:
(https://img.motor-talk.de/KnRFUiPV6EgpQpoY.59.jpg)
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What that graphic does show is that the extra display space is used to provide a bottom row of (soft) short cut buttons...
Which will always be visible on every screen.
I did say before that the previous photos showed no new physical buttons...
Maybe the slider has a 2p bulb under it too.
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I think the mk8.5 gti will look more like the mk8 clubsport, no fins but has the slight flick up.
probably here is the standard 8.5 GTI ? :smiley:
(https://img.motor-talk.de/KnRFUiPV6EgpQpoY.59.jpg)
haha I just noticed I suddenly unveiled new standard wheels for the 8.5 GTI :grin:
In the previous leaks was told the wheels gonna look like MK5 GTI
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https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/volkswagen/golf-gti/
(https://i.postimg.cc/fbWLRwSj/Screenshot-2024-01-08-at-22-23-37.png) (https://postimg.cc/yD5BfCPk)
(https://i.postimg.cc/6qXFBQyB/Screenshot-2024-01-08-at-22-23-45.png) (https://postimg.cc/JDppqMNF)
(https://i.postimg.cc/VN23Hgwr/Screenshot-2024-01-08-at-22-23-52.png) (https://postimg.cc/wtcf1h7g)
(https://i.postimg.cc/mrPvwqvW/Screenshot-2024-01-08-at-22-23-59.png) (https://postimg.cc/8FVXkykZ)
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What we calling this thing then the MK8.25 :laugh:
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https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/volkswagen/golf-gti/
(https://i.postimg.cc/fbWLRwSj/Screenshot-2024-01-08-at-22-23-37.png) (https://postimg.cc/yD5BfCPk)
(https://i.postimg.cc/6qXFBQyB/Screenshot-2024-01-08-at-22-23-45.png) (https://postimg.cc/JDppqMNF)
(https://i.postimg.cc/VN23Hgwr/Screenshot-2024-01-08-at-22-23-52.png) (https://postimg.cc/wtcf1h7g)
(https://i.postimg.cc/mrPvwqvW/Screenshot-2024-01-08-at-22-23-59.png) (https://postimg.cc/8FVXkykZ)
This is quite heavily camouflaged in order to make it appear as a current mk8.
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I think the mk8.5 gti will look more like the mk8 clubsport, no fins but has the slight flick up.
probably here is the standard 8.5 GTI ? :smiley:
(https://img.motor-talk.de/KnRFUiPV6EgpQpoY.59.jpg)
haha I just noticed I suddenly unveiled new standard wheels for the 8.5 GTI :grin:
In the previous leaks was told the wheels gonna look like MK5 GTI
I was going to post the same comment about the wheels, if they look like the graphic in person, then I’d be happy with not paying for the upgrades. 👌
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It is, but if you zoom in you can see the flick ups like the mk8 CS I mentioned being the new standard gti.
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I think the mk8.5 gti will look more like the mk8 clubsport, no fins but has the slight flick up.
probably here is the standard 8.5 GTI ? :smiley:
(https://img.motor-talk.de/KnRFUiPV6EgpQpoY.59.jpg)
haha I just noticed I suddenly unveiled new standard wheels for the 8.5 GTI :grin:
In the previous leaks was told the wheels gonna look like MK5 GTI
I was going to post the same comment about the wheels, if they look like the graphic in person, then I’d be happy with not paying for the upgrades. 👌
Same here! Liking what I'm seeing with the wheels. Definitely reminiscent of the mk5
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It's definitely a massive improvement in the exterior design imo
I'm curious if this is actually the Clubsport version, what's left for the basic GTI? And how far will it differ from current 8... :undecided:
The graphic must be the styling of the standard GTI, This suggests that the CES car is a clubsport or special addition.
(https://i.postimg.cc/KcQ9Ph3g/IMG-3514.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/6qYchnHv/IMG-0142.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zHHTzbYz)
Ridiculous screen it’s too large for that cabin
The ED50 or whatever they call it will likely just be a sticker pack, unique alloys and the akrapovic thrown in like the ED45 was- minimal effort for big money because it’s the last and they can
I hope there is no MHEV as having run a 1.0 etsi for a while the regen braking sucks, that feeling in a GTI would not be a good thing
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(https://i.postimg.cc/BnDLYS7Z/temp-Image4s68u-P.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NKsjLcwZ)
It looks like we can see the holes in the bumper for the fog lights just like in the original 8 GTI. At least one good news.. :whistle: love them so much.
I'm curious if the bumper for the standard 8.5 GTI going to be in gloss black as well?
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Does 17/18th January still stand for the unveil or could it be sooner? During the presentation yesterday, the VW spokesperson said the official reveal of the facelift will be in a few days, which sounded sooner.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/BnDLYS7Z/temp-Image4s68u-P.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NKsjLcwZ)
It looks like we can see the holes in the bumper for the fog lights just like in the original 8 GTI. At least one good news.. :whistle: love them so much.
I'm curious if the bumper for the standard 8.5 GTI going to be in gloss black as well?
I doubt the 8.5 GTI is going to get a gloss black front grill considering the 8 clubsport didn’t get gloss black just plastic instead. The gloss black seems to be reserved for the R model to differentiate it
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Those wheels on the graphic...
The display of your vehicle in that screen is actually based on your actual car spec... colour, model, wheels etc
Mine shows Adelaides for example.
So whether those wheels are standard or optioned... knowing VW and press cars, its optioned.
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It would be a shame if those wheels aren't standard, but if they were I doubt VW would sell any optioned wheels and that is always easy money.
Those wheels are beautiful (and probably 19")
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(https://i.postimg.cc/6qYchnHv/IMG-0142.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zHHTzbYz)
Ridiculous screen it’s too large for that cabin
The ED50 or whatever they call it will likely just be a sticker pack, unique alloys and the akrapovic thrown in like the ED45 was- minimal effort for big money because it’s the last and they can
I hope there is no MHEV as having run a 1.0 etsi for a while the regen braking sucks, that feeling in a GTI would not be a good thing
Urrghh, size of that, can't they integrate screens a bit more please. That must be like driving with your laptop open on the dash
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(https://i.postimg.cc/6qYchnHv/IMG-0142.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zHHTzbYz)
Ridiculous screen it’s too large for that cabin
The ED50 or whatever they call it will likely just be a sticker pack, unique alloys and the akrapovic thrown in like the ED45 was- minimal effort for big money because it’s the last and they can
I hope there is no MHEV as having run a 1.0 etsi for a while the regen braking sucks, that feeling in a GTI would not be a good thing
Urrghh, size of that, can't they integrate screens a bit more please. That must be like driving with your laptop open on the dash
They’re all at it, this is the facelift Focus ST, which I think is slightly better as it’s wider and not so tall
(https://i.postimg.cc/tT568kcR/IMG-0143.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Just heard the same as what Dogman has been saying. Full official unveil will be 18th January and available to watch live on Youtube.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/6qYchnHv/IMG-0142.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zHHTzbYz)
Ridiculous screen it’s too large for that cabin
The ED50 or whatever they call it will likely just be a sticker pack, unique alloys and the akrapovic thrown in like the ED45 was- minimal effort for big money because it’s the last and they can
I hope there is no MHEV as having run a 1.0 etsi for a while the regen braking sucks, that feeling in a GTI would not be a good thing
Urrghh, size of that, can't they integrate screens a bit more please. That must be like driving with your laptop open on the dash
They’re all at it, this is the facelift Focus ST, which I think is slightly better as it’s wider and not so tall
(https://i.postimg.cc/tT568kcR/IMG-0143.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Looks so bloody stupid and such an after thought.
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Regarding the central screen everyone's talking about: I'm not sure whether I like it or find it too big. It's definitely not the worst case.
I can say that using the current screen of my MK8 is not the greatest moment. For instance, the icons for the Apple Car Play (Google Maps, Waze, etc..) are too small and uncomfortable to use. I always try to set it directly on the iPhone as it is much faster and easier. You can always say that you can set everything before you go for a ride (navigation, temperature, etc...), but it's not how it works all the time :wink:
A bigger screen could help to solve some of those problems. So there are pros and cons with a larger screen in Golf.
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Initial thoughts here.
evo1986 is bang on, it’s more 8.25 than 8.5
I like the new rear valance diffuser thingy and wonder whether it could be an easy retrofit to a mk8 Clubsport.
The regular GTI render on the touchscreen looks better (less fussy) than the Clubsport in the promo camo wrap.
The Clubsport front bumper looks too fussy but the wider square openings on the bottom would make it easier to fish dead leaves out from the radiator than the current model’s full length hexagon design.
The headlights look a bit fussy too.
The illuminated badge relegates the radar to the lower grille again. Im sure it’ll appeal to a younger audience though and that’s got to be a good thing(?) as all us old farts flock to SUV’s.
It’ll be interesting to see the exterior minus camo in a week or two.
The illuminated volume and heater controls has got to be a good thing.
The steering wheel buttons look less slick than the pads but surely have to be better in use.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C12UJFepsPR/?igsh=MWV4cnoxajlmN2MwaA==
what's happening with the rear turn signal? :grin:
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C12UJFepsPR/?igsh=MWV4cnoxajlmN2MwaA==
what's happening with the rear turn signal? :grin:
I think they look funky! Would look better at night.
Looks like it's confirmed there won't be a manual gearbox for the facelift, so guaranteed to have a much higher starting price for a basic GTI.
https://www.motor1.com/news/703820/volkswagen-golf-manual-gearbox-dead/
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(https://i.postimg.cc/FsYY4RnX/temp-Image1-Mxy1-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RNzS1MBg)
Looks a bit "too much" ? :undecided:
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(https://i.postimg.cc/FsYY4RnX/temp-Image1-Mxy1-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RNzS1MBg)
Looks a bit "too much" ? :undecided:
Have they seriously butchered the lower grill to get the radar down there again as they want the badge to light up at night?
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meh. Looks alright, just don't know why it needs the massive openings at the bottom... Oh I know why, so you can get your hand in there to pull the leaves out! Mine currectly has a trees worth inside that I can't get to :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Plenty of revenue headed their way for replacement Radar sensor and AC radiators from stones due to being that low and the size of the gaps in the lower grill!
I remember back in the Mk6 days where they had an inner grill to stop stones in poorer countries, think we need to bring that back with the state of our roads!
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Still a year away before start looking at next car in earnest (After 15 years of company leases, this be my last) but now have seen a few MK 8 R and Clubsport in the wild now, definitely like what seeing, my ongoing dilemma would be ending up with a software lemon, so have been waiting on the MK 8.5 and really like the camouflaged to what presume is the Clubsport.
Personally not opposed to the new central screen, more real estate is never a bad thing, and there is some design in curvature and the bezel, and think would get used to it pretty quick, with it seems from Thomas initial review, improved and stable O/S (Of course, to be proven) as the main winner for me. As well as back lit controls.
Think its a shame gone backwards from haptic steering functions aesthetically and can only imagine there must be a technical reason?
Think be pitching at a Clubsport given we have AWD in the family with a 2019 R
Think the only way can personally access a MK 8.5 Clubsport would be via lease, which is major departure for me as always bought personal cars and would be stepping into that arena taking as much advice as is available, but my company cars are pay as go, so quite happy with the concept.
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Looks a bit "too much" ? :undecided:
Definitely a bit too much and adds a touch too much aggressiveness IMHO, along with a touch of ugliness.
Have they seriously butchered the lower grill to get the radar down there again as they want the badge to light up at night?
Butchered indeed! :shocked: Just looks a bit odd and unfinished IMHO.
meh. Looks alright, just don't know why it needs the massive openings at the bottom... Oh I know why, so you can get your hand in there to pull the leaves out! Mine currectly has a trees worth inside that I can't get to :grin: :grin: :grin:
Those large gaps will certainly be a magnet for leaves and other road debris. As you’ve said, at least it should be relatively easy to get a hand in to remove unwanted items.
Plenty of revenue headed their way for replacement Radar sensor and AC radiators from stones due to being that low and the size of the gaps in the lower grill!
Agree. Even the gaps in the honeycomb section of the lower grille are large enough to let through some pretty large projectile stones. Those gaps along the bottom are almost boulder sized!
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Definitely a bit too much and adds a touch too much aggressiveness IMHO, along with a touch of ugliness.
I've never liked too aggressive mods of Golfs. When they look like the previous generation Civic Type-R, where you feel like a 15-year-old guy who just finished playing Need For Speed Underground.
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Plenty of revenue headed their way for replacement Radar sensor and AC radiators from stones due to being that low and the size of the gaps in the lower grill!
I remember back in the Mk6 days where they had an inner grill to stop stones in poorer countries, think we need to bring that back with the state of our roads!
That sparse and open front grille at the bottom looks like it is missing a piece of trim. My S3 also has the radar sensor at the bottom like the MK7 Golf (although it is shaped like the hexagonal grille cut outs so blends in better), as does our Cupra Born. Completely agree that the radiator and AC compressor will take a pounding from high speed stones.
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I actually really like the more aggressive styling of the 'proposed' clubsport. You have to bear in mind the clubsport isn't meant to be the little black dress that fits into all occasions like the GTI. I'd definitely consider moving up from my 7.5 if it weren't for the drab interior, but who know's maybe I'll change my mind.
I still don't understand the stuck on iPad look, especially with all the space underneath. Integrate it into the dash and stop being lazy, the 2020 3 series made a great job of it along with have air con controls, radio buttons, wireless charger and 2 cupholders.
If they even followed the previous A3 design architecture (fully retractable screen into the dash) and made the screen 50% shrinkable into the dash with only the essentials on it, it would appeal to a lot more people.
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I still don't understand the stuck on iPad look, especially with all the space underneath. Integrate it into the dash and stop being lazy, the 2020 3 series made a great job of it along with have air con controls, radio buttons, wireless charger and 2 cupholders.
If they even followed the previous A3 design architecture (fully retractable screen into the dash) and made the screen 50% shrinkable into the dash with only the essentials on it, it would appeal to a lot more people.
VW mid-lifecycle facelifts have tended to largely focus on mild cosmetic tweaks to parts that can be easily - and cheaply - changed on the pre-facelift model (e.g. bumper covers, front and rear lights, grilles, maybe some new alloy wheel designs) and a refresh of the tech. IMHO VW will limit the facelift changes to what they consider to be just sufficient to maintain customer interest and maintain or boost sales for the remainder of the car’s lifecycle at the lowest possible financial outlay.
If the larger screen was to be integrated into the dash, that may well have required a completely new dash assembly - if so, sign off of the associated design / manufacturing costs might not have got past VW’s bean counters. That might also explain why the previously hinted at physical heating / ventilation controls haven’t materialised either if there was an underlying requirement to retain the existing dash.
Most of VW’s mid lifecycle facelifts also involve some cost cutting savings too, so it’ll be interesting to see what these are on the mk8 to mk8.5 model refresh.
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When you look closely at the shape and size of the mounting of the current mk8 screen it’s as though a 13 inch upgrade was in the plans from the off. Instead of a slanting thick bezel they can easily accommodate a rectangular thin bezel screen of much larger proportions without changing the dash moulding at all.
The bigger screen will also sit a bit more in the direct sight line of the driver with useful info slightly higher than now so they could also argue a safety aspect. :nerd:
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That large screen is apparently optional. It'll be interesting to see what the standard screen looks like.
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That large screen is apparently optional. It'll be interesting to see what the standard screen looks like.
large screen would definitely be standard for the GTI trim
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Probably market dependant.
The basic screen sizes are already there in the MEB ranges give or take a centimetre or so.
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https://www.carscoops.com/2024/01/2025-vw-golf-design-revealed-through-infotainment-screen-at-ces/
"Interestingly, the grille on the vehicle in the infotainment system, and the one on the real car are different, which some have speculated may have to do with one of them being the Clubsport model. However, it is also possible that VW is throwing us a curveball here. s. While it’s conceivable that the company couldn’t alter the depiction of the car in its infotainment system, it’s worth noting that VW was at CES to showcase the system, so it must have been aware that people would be closely scrutinizing it."
:huh: :huh:
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Maybe it was the first reveal of a bug in the new infotainment system... They've got form remember
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I'm seriously considering a mk7.5 now. Have only been buying new for the last 20 or so years, but whilst the 8.5 is an improvement, I'm just too undecided about it and the list price is guaranteed to be above £40k for a basic GTI without any options.
Going to keep an eye out for a low mileage 7.5 on VWs approved used programme with the 2 year warranty and then may decide to upgrade to a mk8.5 in 2-3 years, and by that time they would have hopefully fixed any software issues with the new infotainment. I just feel it's too much new tech to pre-order in a car.
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Yep, definitely the clubsport.
https://youtube.com/shorts/8AxFgrXYTYU?si=uQ_jibOgYAc3Aa5n
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Yep, definitely the clubsport.
https://youtube.com/shorts/8AxFgrXYTYU?si=uQ_jibOgYAc3Aa5n
oh finally they confirmed. was it so hard to write it at once? :huh:
Now I believe they should add glossy black bumper to the standard GTI as well, as it will be so small changes compared to 8th if they only add fangs..
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Yep, definitely the clubsport.
https://youtube.com/shorts/8AxFgrXYTYU?si=uQ_jibOgYAc3Aa5n
oh finally they confirmed. was it so hard to write it at once? :huh:
Now I believe they should add glossy black bumper to the standard GTI as well, as it will be so small changes compared to 8th if they only add fangs.
however VW may think differently :smiley:
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https://www.motor1.com/news/703820/volkswagen-golf-manual-gearbox-dead/
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VW have used the tested method, same thing they did with the 7 > 7.5
The 7.5 GTI had a facelifted front end very similar to a 7 Clubsport in the side grills. But the 7.5 GTI did not get the 7 Clubsports rear end; spoiler, exhaust or diffuser so you could tell them apart on the road.
(https://i.postimg.cc/6pVbGNkP/7-clubsport.webp) (https://postimg.cc/2167Pg8d)
(https://i.postimg.cc/6TJzyHYw/7-5-GTI.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
The 8.5 GTI has a facelifted front end very similar to a 8 Clubsport, but again I bet the rear end is almost the same as the 8 GTI; round smaller exhaust and no large spoiler, so you can tell a 8.5 GTI from a 8 Clubsport on the road
(https://i.postimg.cc/7YSrXjv3/8-clubsport.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/d0VMs1h6/8-5-normal.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Good catch with 7 Clubsport :wink:
Can't wait to see what it will look like on the 8.5 GTI. I'm still glad they tried to repeat 8 Clubsport in the front, although leaving the fog lights! Because I always felt that I like Clubsport front bumper more, though can't sacrifice those fog lights :smiley: :smiley:
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Yep, definitely the clubsport.
https://youtube.com/shorts/8AxFgrXYTYU?si=uQ_jibOgYAc3Aa5n
That looks to have an Akra exhaust? I like the front bumper redesign.
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Yep, definitely the clubsport.
https://youtube.com/shorts/8AxFgrXYTYU?si=uQ_jibOgYAc3Aa5n
That looks to have an Akra exhaust? I like the front bumper redesign.
yep, that's Akrapovic. Definitely optional or standard for the 50th anniversary edition with is not 50th in 2024 :grin: :grin:
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More images I’ve not seen posted on here
Looks like the 8.5 GTI rear is very similar to the current 8 GTI without the clubsport spoiler and round exhaust
Not sure on the new DRL design. If it is a line across the top of the light cluster it’s similar to a base life model drl on the current 8
(https://i.postimg.cc/7ZJWTndn/IMG-0163.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rDcJBx8D)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9FMSchBS/IMG-0164.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/t7KDz8wt)
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It’s probably the slimmer design of headlamp not leaving room for a surround DRL. The illuminated badge is the concession which will no doubt be market specific around legalities.
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The DRL will be full width on the same models that are full width currently, the difference between the mk8 and 8.5, is that the lower part of the DRL on the mk8 will be replaced by a DRL either side of the dipped beam lens, resembling this (O)
This picture shows an 8.5 RLine or such like, without the centre DRL strip or illuminated badge, which presumably will be reserved for the performance models.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bw1WjPjq/IMG-3537.webp) (https://postimg.cc/K1vJndzW)
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Had a try out of the new 8.5 screen I presume in an ID7 in the showroom very impressive step up from the 8!
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Had a try out of the new 8.5 screen I presume in an ID7 in the showroom very impressive step up from the 8!
oh, great insight. :wink:
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Golf 8.5 presentation on 24.01
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VW's LinkedIn post from yesterday:
(https://i.postimg.cc/L6BYWqDK/Screenshot-2024-01-18-at-11-06-47.png) (https://postimg.cc/Vdvkrk2D)
Mentions that a smaller 10" screen is standard but the larger 13" screen is optional equipment. Wonder if the same is for top-end models like the GTI?!
If the smaller screen has illuminated switches or knobs then I would rather take that. Looking forward to 24th Jan though!
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Thanks @jon87
Maybe huge screen can be avoided? I do recall with Mk8 that standard screen was 8.3inches (I think) with option of 10inch but VWUK decided all the golf range would have 10inch screen.
They could do the same or as you say larger screen standard in higher spec models. I suspect that is a question for April/May for when I think UK specs might come out.
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Thanks @jon87
Maybe huge screen can be avoided? I do recall with Mk8 that standard screen was 8.3inches (I think) with option of 10inch but VWUK decided all the golf range would have 10inch screen.
They could do the same or as you say larger screen standard in higher spec models. I suspect that is a question for April/May for when I think UK specs might come out.
Size of screen might be market dependent. In the North American market, the current mk8 GTI is available in three trim levels; S, SE and Autobahn, and the infotainment screen in the entry level GTI S is smaller than that in the SE and Autobahn. The smaller screen also has two physical knobs :shocked:.
(https://i.postimg.cc/qBcJpqcp/IMG-1357.png) (https://postimages.org/)
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It's probably the exact same screen that is going into the refreshed ID4 range, due out soon. My wife has one on order so I'll be able to play around with it then. The one in the ID7 is even larger again at 15" I think. I tried it briefly in an ID7 and for sure, it's a huge step up from the current software.
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You don't need to wait for the January 24th to see the 8.5 GTI, GTE, etc.
The article was deleted (I bet VW was angry and killed it), but we have it in cache.
Here it is - https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KPAiu1W8yWcJ:https://www.autonavigator.hu/cikkek/ime-a-friss-golf-vilagito-emblemaval-es-technikai-ujitasokkal/&hl=de&gl=de&client=safari
Enjoy :whistle:
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Oh dear. What were they thinking with the big GTE / GTI badge on the door under the mirror?! It looks cat! The “blades” on the wings on the current car look far better.
And the screen may well be far better to use etc, but good lord, it looks so out of place on that dash. Like the tech left his laptop open on top of the dash. It doesn’t look like it fits properly at all.
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Oh dear. What were they thinking with the big GTE / GTI badge on the door under the mirror?! It looks cat! The “blades” on the wings on the current car look far better.
And the screen may well be far better to use etc, but good lord, it looks so out of place on that dash. Like the tech left his laptop open on top of the dash. It doesn’t look like it fits properly at all.
I hadn’t noticed that yet. Maybe they are trying to copy Ferrari with the scuderia shields on the wings :grin:
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https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KPAiu1W8yWcJ:https://www.autonavigator.hu/cikkek/ime-a-friss-golf-vilagito-emblemaval-es-technikai-ujitasokkal/&hl=de&gl=de&client=safari
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(https://i.postimg.cc/44Dgg95S/352777-source-scaled.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rzNbGz71)
(https://i.postimg.cc/yW4nbB0L/352779-source-scaled.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Cn7jR3P8)
(https://i.postimg.cc/fWtNpKxd/352787-source-scaled.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z0S2y6sY)
(https://i.postimg.cc/mkF8jh1c/352789-source-1200x795.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/26yHq0z7/352793-source-1200x675.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/wvrwDDM8/352811-source-1200x675.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KPAiu1W8yWcJ:https://www.autonavigator.hu/cikkek/ime-a-friss-golf-vilagito-emblemaval-es-technikai-ujitasokkal/&hl=de&gl=de&client=safari
Wow! Thanks for sharing Mihaelo.
Just translated the article into English and it states the GTI will get a 20bhp increase so 265 bhp. Good to know.
I think the facelift GTI looks great from those photos. Prefer the understated look of it compared to the facelifted Clubsport. Not sure about the wheels though, they may look better against white paintwork but have to see them in the flesh.
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Okay, where are the fog lights? I bet they should be still be present in the GTI (there are actually place for them and we’ve seen them on the infotainment screen).
(https://www.armidaleexpress.com.au/images/transform/v1/crop/frm/silverstone-feed-data/e4599107-5f1d-4340-b430-18ff02eae263.png/r0_0_737_482_w737_h482_fmax.jpg)
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Okay, where are the fog lights? I bet they should be still be present in the GTI (there are actually place for them and we’ve seen them on the infotainment screen).
(https://www.armidaleexpress.com.au/images/transform/v1/crop/frm/silverstone-feed-data/e4599107-5f1d-4340-b430-18ff02eae263.png/r0_0_737_482_w737_h482_fmax.jpg)
The cars in the pictures posted by @mihaelo1 are LHD non-UK spec cars, so that might be the reason for there being no fog lights. You may recall ‘fog light gate’ back when the mk7.5 facelift was launched, and the first batch of UK GTI’s and GTD’s were mis-built without fog lights (cars in some overseas markets don’t have fog lights).
The infotainment screen image you’ve posted isn’t 100% accurate, as it doesn’t show the radar sensor in the lower grille which is clearly visible on the Kings Red mk8.5 GTI. So even if infotainment screen image does show fog lights, it’s no guarantee cars will have them, although they may feature on UK spec cars.
My car has fog lights and I’ve probably used them no more than 2-3 times in 40 months. I wouldn't be at all bothered if it didn’t have them.
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My first thoughts are that it is the same car as the Mk8. Not enough difference in the body or the interior to make it worth trading up. I don't want a bigger central screen, as I'm fine with using the Mk8 version and that also looks better integrated.
The +20bhp for the new GTI is welcome, but again not enough to justify the extra cost especially as my bongs disappeared (perhaps temporarily?) following a new steering wheel last month.
Of course I may change my mind when I see it in the showroom, but as I've just extended my Clubby lease for another 12 months, I won't be rushing to the VW dealers with my chequebook.
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My first thoughts are that it is the same car as the Mk8. Not enough difference in the body or the interior to make it worth trading up. I don't want a bigger central screen, as I'm fine with using the Mk8 version and that also looks better integrated.
The +20bhp for the new GTI is welcome, but again not enough to justify the extra cost especially as my bongs disappeared (perhaps temporarily?) following a new steering wheel last month.
Of course I may change my mind when I see it in the showroom, but as I've just extended my Clubby lease for another 12 months, I won't be rushing to the VW dealers with my chequebook.
I’m inclined to agree with you. The mk8.5 follows VW’s usual approach to mid-lifecycle facelifts; essentially the same car as before with a few cosmetic changes, some updated tech and - if you’re lucky - a small power uplift :whistle:.
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So here is my opinion and I have more questions than answers from what we've seen yesterday :smiley:
It looks like a good, typical Volkswagen Facelift; it could've been much worse in terms of overall changes (I still have a hard time to differ old T-Roc and the new one :grin: )
GTI front end looks like it should've looked from the beginning in 2019 :wink: By contrast, the photos shown show no difference at the rear end except for the taillights, which look great (and the question here - is how the rear turning indicator will work? is it going to be bicolored? From the shown videos, it's hard to tell. However, I can't see the separate indicator for the turning signal).
It would be great to see some changes for the rear diffuser (like we saw in the new Clubsport). I mean, I have nothing against the current one, but that's the facelift, right?
I don't understand the critics of the badge on the door. Such a badge was shown on a Touareg almost a year ago, and everyone is so surprised only now :grin: I find it not bad at all; looks like a new design, at least. And it will be easy to identify FL model when you stand from the side. Looks more minimalistic and new.
New lighting emblem - it looks like a rear emblem for the FL Touareg but transferred to the front. It looks much more decent than the current one in the ID models (it looks cheap over there). I can't say it's something super cool at the front, but I have to see it in person. The one on Touareg at the rear looks so crisp.. but in red :wink:
I LOVE that they added gloss black to the buttons on the steering wheel. At least now it looks like the current one with touches, whether the previous one with buttons looked ugly being all-grey...
We talked a lot about the new display. The more I look at it, the more I find it okay. At least now, there is an option to open both maps and music player in one window in CarPlay :smug: of course, we had that option before, but that was a hard time to do as windows were too small.
I love the power increase in the GTI. Can it do 5.9, 0-100 officially? :whistle:
Waiting for the official presentation next week, more photos & videos, more reviews, and of course information about improved chassis, handling, etc :smiley:
More to come!
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GTI front end looks like it should've looked from the beginning in 2019 :wink: By contrast, the photos shown show no difference at the rear end except for the taillights, which look great (and the question here - is how the rear turning indicator will work? is it going to be bicolored? From the shown videos, it's hard to tell. However, I can't see the separate indicator for the turning signal).
Bicolored turn signals? Under the Vehicle Lighting Requirements for the UK, indicators (front and rear) must emit an amber light, so a single colour and amber only.
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GTI front end looks like it should've looked from the beginning in 2019 :wink: By contrast, the photos shown show no difference at the rear end except for the taillights, which look great (and the question here - is how the rear turning indicator will work? is it going to be bicolored? From the shown videos, it's hard to tell. However, I can't see the separate indicator for the turning signal).
Bicolored turn signals? Under the Vehicle Lighting Requirements for the UK, indicators (front and rear) must emit an amber light, so a single colour and amber only.
Check how the rear turn indicator works here - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iWvh7JcTz1E
What do you think?
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GTI front end looks like it should've looked from the beginning in 2019 :wink: By contrast, the photos shown show no difference at the rear end except for the taillights, which look great (and the question here - is how the rear turning indicator will work? is it going to be bicolored? From the shown videos, it's hard to tell. However, I can't see the separate indicator for the turning signal).
Bicolored turn signals? Under the Vehicle Lighting Requirements for the UK, indicators (front and rear) must emit an amber light, so a single colour and amber only.
Check how the rear turn indicator works here - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iWvh7JcTz1E
What do you think?
I can’t say I’m a fan of those indicators, in fact I can’t say I’m a fan of several of the changes on the 8.5. IMO, having the badges on the door look ridiculous, I much prefer where they are on my 8. I’m also not a fan of the illuminated front VW badge - although I’m sure I read in the linked blurb it’s an option not standard fit. The new infotainment screen looks to big, again I prefer the one in mine.
I have no problem with the un-illuminated volume/climate sliders in my 8 either, I just don’t use them. The volume I control from the steering wheel and the temperature I control using the climate button, its one extra button press.
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GTI front end looks like it should've looked from the beginning in 2019 :wink: By contrast, the photos shown show no difference at the rear end except for the taillights, which look great (and the question here - is how the rear turning indicator will work? is it going to be bicolored? From the shown videos, it's hard to tell. However, I can't see the separate indicator for the turning signal).
Bicolored turn signals? Under the Vehicle Lighting Requirements for the UK, indicators (front and rear) must emit an amber light, so a single colour and amber only.
Check how the rear turn indicator works here - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iWvh7JcTz1E
What do you think?
The turn signal looks to be just the lower edge of those individual LED light elements in the rear light clusters that emit an amber light when in operation (so IMHO would be compliant with the UK Vehicle Lighting Requirements). That’s no different really to the functionality of the LED strip above the headlamps which is illuminated white when functioning as a DRL but doubles up as the indicator and flashes amber when the indicators are being used (same as the DRL’s / front indicators on many other current VW’s).
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I'm not a fan of those rear indicators either. They don't seem clear at all and I'm quite critical of other cars when their turn signals are weak.
Another minus point for me.
May look different in real life of course.
So far, I think I may become a BMW or Audi customer rather than VW and I'm sad to say that.
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GTI front end looks like it should've looked from the beginning in 2019 :wink: By contrast, the photos shown show no difference at the rear end except for the taillights, which look great (and the question here - is how the rear turning indicator will work? is it going to be bicolored? From the shown videos, it's hard to tell. However, I can't see the separate indicator for the turning signal).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ3LMi_YUFM&t=314s
Bicolored turn signals? Under the Vehicle Lighting Requirements for the UK, indicators (front and rear) must emit an amber light, so a single colour and amber only.
Check how the rear turn indicator works here - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iWvh7JcTz1E
What do you think?
The turn signal looks to be just the lower edge of those individual LED light elements in the rear light clusters that emit an amber light when in operation (so IMHO would be compliant with the UK Vehicle Lighting Requirements). That’s no different really to the functionality of the LED strip above the headlamps which is illuminated white when functioning as a DRL but doubles up as the indicator and flashes amber when the indicators are being used (same as the DRL’s / front indicators on many other current VW’s).
Where is it on a photo? :smiley:
(https://i.postimg.cc/mgsrWmmq/temp-Image62-FXbb.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ykLKFy4X)
I can clearly see the separate indicator in current's version.
(https://i.postimg.cc/J4W8sGjH/temp-Image-Zca-RXw.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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I'm not a fan of those rear indicators either. They don't seem clear at all and I'm quite critical of other cars when their turn signals are weak.
Another minus point for me.
May look different in real life of course.
So far, I think I may become a BMW or Audi customer rather than VW and I'm sad to say that.
I agree, I find the FordPuma particularly problematic with what seems a tiny rear indicator which is surrounded or easily blinded with the cars brake light. But as @SRGTD has said there are rules which the Puma has clearly passed, but I think how the hell did they manage it with that tiny indicator.
So I know it was mentioned by someone else that Mk8 had cascading front and rear indicators but now shows mk8.5 with static front indicator. Perhaps that is penalty for going with slimmer headlights and VW had to use the daylight running section to put dual purpose indicator into this section (like many other manufacturers).
Well we have 1 series and A3 to be revealed throughout the year so we can see how their take on the car of 2024 is.
@Dogman12 the photo of the mk8.5 isn’t really at right angle ( too high) but as per the video you posted the indicator LEDs will be below each of the brake/night time light squares
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The turn signal looks to be just the lower edge of those individual LED light elements in the rear light clusters that emit an amber light when in operation (so IMHO would be compliant with the UK Vehicle Lighting Requirements). That’s no different really to the functionality of the LED strip above the headlamps which is illuminated white when functioning as a DRL but doubles up as the indicator and flashes amber when the indicators are being used (same as the DRL’s / front indicators on many other current VW’s).
Where is it on a photo? :smiley:
(https://i.postimg.cc/mgsrWmmq/temp-Image62-FXbb.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ykLKFy4X)
The bottom edge of the of the square lighting elements - as @BillSan has said, not visible at the angle of the light cluster in the picture you’ve posted - maybe only visible when the turn signals are being used, so you’d need to check out the video clip you posted earlier.
I personally can’t get excited over the mk8.5’s rear light clusters. However, it does bother me when what appears to be a ‘form over function’ approach is taken to a fundamental safety feature such as a turn signal. I agree with @BillSan that some car manufacturers seem to be prioritising aesthetics over safety/ visibility of certain component parts of light clusters - Ford Puma’s rear indicators being a good example. It seems that VW may have done the same with the mk8.5 Golf’s rear indicators - I wonder how visible they’ll be to a following driver when the brake lights are illuminated?
I’m glad my car has ‘normal’ rear indicators that can be clearly seen by others……… :whistle:
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BTW I've seen articles state that this is the "2025" Golf... meaning the manufacturing period starting after the August factory shutdown...
So as I said, initial dealer stock orders available December/January.... customer orders by mid 2025...
That's no surprise. They don't change things before the shutdown/retooling August holiday...
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BTW I've seen articles state that this is the "2025" Golf... meaning the manufacturing period starting after the August factory shutdown...
So as I said, initial dealer stock orders available December/January.... customer orders by mid 2025...
That's no surprise. They don't change things before the shutdown/retooling August holiday...
Good news. Gives me more time to save up given they are probably gonna charge 50k+ for a Clubsport with metallic paint. I think the pricing will be outrageous for the GTI, CS and R. As this is the last ever variant they can charge what they want, people will pay it. God knows what they will want for the CS ED50, probably have to remortgage
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BTW I've seen articles state that this is the "2025" Golf... meaning the manufacturing period starting after the August factory shutdown...
So as I said, initial dealer stock orders available December/January.... customer orders by mid 2025...
That's no surprise. They don't change things before the shutdown/retooling August holiday...
Good news. Gives me more time to save up given they are probably gonna charge 50k+ for a Clubsport with metallic paint. I think the pricing will be outrageous for the GTI, CS and R. As this is the last ever variant they can charge what they want, people will pay it. God knows what they will want for the CS ED50, probably have to remortgage
Also, the ED50 isn't likely to have much discount. It will sell at full list price.
I'm hoping after a while the standard 8.5 GTI will have a significant discount off list price though. At one point in 2023 DTD had 14% off the GTI so hopefully the same will happen with the 8.5. possibly a year or so after launch though when it isn't so "new"
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The turn signal looks to be just the lower edge of those individual LED light elements in the rear light clusters that emit an amber light when in operation (so IMHO would be compliant with the UK Vehicle Lighting Requirements). That’s no different really to the functionality of the LED strip above the headlamps which is illuminated white when functioning as a DRL but doubles up as the indicator and flashes amber when the indicators are being used (same as the DRL’s / front indicators on many other current VW’s).
Where is it on a photo? :smiley:
(https://i.postimg.cc/mgsrWmmq/temp-Image62-FXbb.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ykLKFy4X)
The bottom edge of the of the square lighting elements - as @BillSan has said, not visible at the angle of the light cluster in the picture you’ve posted - maybe only visible when the turn signals are being used, so you’d need to check out the video clip you posted earlier.
I personally can’t get excited over the mk8.5’s rear light clusters. However, it does bother me when what appears to be a ‘form over function’ approach is taken to a fundamental safety feature such as a turn signal. I agree with @BillSan that some car manufacturers seem to be prioritising aesthetics over safety/ visibility of certain component parts of light clusters - Ford Puma’s rear indicators being a good example. It seems that VW may have done the same with the mk8.5 Golf’s rear indicators - I wonder how visible they’ll be to a following driver when the brake lights are illuminated?
I’m glad my car has ‘normal’ rear indicators that can be clearly seen by others……… :whistle:
The car currently on the road with the least visible indicators - IMO - is the Vauxhall Astra. How they passed any visibility test is beyond me 🤔
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I have a feeling that discounts are going to be a thing of the past.
Its probably the time vw will follow the rest with "the price is the price" and prevent dealers from discounting.
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BTW I've seen articles state that this is the "2025" Golf... meaning the manufacturing period starting after the August factory shutdown...
So as I said, initial dealer stock orders available December/January.... customer orders by mid 2025...
That's no surprise. They don't change things before the shutdown/retooling August holiday...
Hi @fredgroves it’s the worldwide internet causing confusion, this Golf facelift will be 2025 for USA and Australia etc, but European orders from spring 2024 have been confirmed by VW and I suspect as per new Tiguan, there will only be 2 or 3 months (say June 24 that UK can order), so we will see Golfs here in 2024, but customer orders of performance Golf, well I’m certainly not putting any bets on their arrival based on well written history of past Golf models.
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I have a feeling that discounts are going to be a thing of the past.
Its probably the time vw will follow the rest with "the price is the price" and prevent dealers from discounting.
That is certainly looking like the case, has anyone looked at DTD recently. There are no VWpassenger cars listed now. Obviously it could be a time of transition as golf ordering finished for mk8 and new Tiguan only just announced but worrying times for cheap cars
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(https://i.postimg.cc/d12MpV75/temp-Images-Wo-Aw4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XGYDy3k5)
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I quite like the look of that wheel design
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I quite like the look of that wheel design
Reminds me of the Monza / Monza Shadow alloys on the mk5 and mk6 GTI.
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I quite like the look of that wheel design
Reminds me of the Monza / Monza Shadow alloys on the mk5 and mk6 GTI.
They remind me of the Altair wheels on the Skoda Octavia VRS?
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I quite like the look of that wheel design
Reminds me of the Monza / Monza Shadow alloys on the mk5 and mk6 GTI.
They remind me of the Altair wheels on the Skoda Octavia VRS?
Not to forget mentioning Alfa Romeo wheels :grin:
I also see here MK5 GTI wheels :wink:
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I quite like the look of that wheel design
Reminds me of the Monza / Monza Shadow alloys on the mk5 and mk6 GTI.
They remind me of the Altair wheels on the Skoda Octavia VRS?
The lovechild of the Altair and Ed30 black Monza!
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I quite like the look of that wheel design
Reminds me of the Monza / Monza Shadow alloys on the mk5 and mk6 GTI.
They remind me of the Altair wheels on the Skoda Octavia VRS?
Yes, I can see the similarity.
Not to forget mentioning Alfa Romeo wheels :grin:
Yes, I can see that similarity too.
I personally think it’s VW’s modern day interpretation of the Monza / Monza Shadows though as they’re mk8.5 GTI alloys.
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I quite like the look of that wheel design
Reminds me of the Monza / Monza Shadow alloys on the mk5 and mk6 GTI.
They remind me of the Altair wheels on the Skoda Octavia VRS?
The lovechild of the Altair and Ed30 black Monza!
Yes! :grin:
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The new wheel design looks very impressive from that photo. Is that 18s or 19s?
Definitely reminiscent of MK5.
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Official VW photos - fog lights on the 8.5 GTI same as pre facelift
(https://i.postimg.cc/6pst9g2y/IMG-0264.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8jbq4ybS)
(https://i.postimg.cc/QdpsVm1S/IMG-0265.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4YNjSz8h)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Ls2SPPVS/IMG-0266.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/k21L3BZY)
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Autogefuhl videos now up
https://youtu.be/bXih7CnRuLw?si=Vpgo4wwhC-L0qvwr
https://youtu.be/DhzkqiGi4WY?si=0sJ2RXiaEiIKAicV
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I agree on the comments about the wheels. Quite nice indeed. My first reaction was “Alfa Romeo” but I do see the Monzas resemblance now it’s been pointed out.
I imagine those are 19’s… and the horrid 18’s on the current car (or some variation of them) are likely to be still the standard option.
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I agree on the comments about the wheels. Quite nice indeed. My first reaction was “Alfa Romeo” but I do see the Monzas resemblance now it’s been pointed out.
I imagine those are 19’s… and the horrid 18’s on the current car (or some variation of them) are likely to be still the standard option.
I believe these are the standard 18”s for the 8.5
(https://i.postimg.cc/QdpsVm1S/IMG-0265.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4YNjSz8h)
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According to the Autogefuhl video Thomas states those wheels are 19's.
VW Press link:
https://www.vwpress.co.uk/en-gb/releases/5078
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haha the funny thing here is that every review was filmed during the passat & tiguan presentation back in September 2023 just like I initially thought. and the review was on journalists hard drives for such a long time without any major leaks (obviously before last week, haha). :grin:
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Any new colours?
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Any new colours?
"Volkswagen also notes there are four new paint finishes (Crystal Ice Blue Metallic, Anemone Blue Metallic, Oyster Silver Metallic and Grenadilla Black Metallic) for a total of 11 hues, with a black-painted roof available as an option for R-Line, GTE and GTI versions. Five new alloy wheels with sizes going up to 19 inches have also been added."
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Any new colours?
(https://i.postimg.cc/mgVNvt0P/IMG-3585.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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GTI front end looks like it should've looked from the beginning in 2019 :wink: By contrast, the photos shown show no difference at the rear end except for the taillights, which look great (and the question here - is how the rear turning indicator will work? is it going to be bicolored? From the shown videos, it's hard to tell. However, I can't see the separate indicator for the turning signal).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ3LMi_YUFM&t=314s
Bicolored turn signals? Under the Vehicle Lighting Requirements for the UK, indicators (front and rear) must emit an amber light, so a single colour and amber only.
Check how the rear turn indicator works here - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iWvh7JcTz1E
What do you think?
The turn signal looks to be just the lower edge of those individual LED light elements in the rear light clusters that emit an amber light when in operation (so IMHO would be compliant with the UK Vehicle Lighting Requirements). That’s no different really to the functionality of the LED strip above the headlamps which is illuminated white when functioning as a DRL but doubles up as the indicator and flashes amber when the indicators are being used (same as the DRL’s / front indicators on many other current VW’s).
Where is it on a photo? :smiley:
(https://i.postimg.cc/mgsrWmmq/temp-Image62-FXbb.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ykLKFy4X)
I can clearly see the separate indicator in current's version.
(https://i.postimg.cc/J4W8sGjH/temp-Image-Zca-RXw.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/Bn8n0zz2/IMG-3591.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/RFTMdx3x/IMG-3592.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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New screen does look nice but it's just to high in the cabin I feel. Also, why put those massive badges on the door?! The little reflectors with the badging in are much nicer!
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Any new colours?
(https://i.postimg.cc/mgVNvt0P/IMG-3585.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Sxmf1Wt0/IMG-3588.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Ohh is that a baby blue type colour, or just the photo
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Any new colours?
(https://i.postimg.cc/mgVNvt0P/IMG-3585.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Sxmf1Wt0/IMG-3588.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Ohh is that a baby blue type colour, or just the photo
I think that might be the new Crystal Ice Blue Metallic
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Any new colours?
(https://i.postimg.cc/mgVNvt0P/IMG-3585.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Sxmf1Wt0/IMG-3588.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
There are four new colours, I read the names of them earlier, but cannot find that article now!🙄 the picture does indeed show one of the new colours.
Ohh is that a baby blue type colour, or just the photo
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The badge on the side is tacky.
Wouldn't stop me buying one, but it is tacky.
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The badge on the side is tacky.
Wouldn't stop me buying one, but it is tacky.
Totally agree with that. Easy to remove though so no big deal.
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Gti facelift video
https://youtu.be/bXih7CnRuLw
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FYI
Now the facelift of the compact athlete is in the starting blocks - and with it all previous problems are to be eliminated. But if you want to put the fresh GTI in front of the door, you still need some patience, because only from July will the compact athlete find his way to the dealer. (c) Autobild
Market launch is expected to be from July 2024, after which all derivatives of the facelift of Golf and Golf Variant will successively come to the dealers. (c) Bild
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FYI
Now the facelift of the compact athlete is in the starting blocks - and with it all previous problems are to be eliminated. But if you want to put the fresh GTI in front of the door, you still need some patience, because only from July will the compact athlete find his way to the dealer. (c) Autobild
Market launch is expected to be from July 2024, after which all derivatives of the facelift of Golf and Golf Variant will successively come to the dealers. (c) Bild
Does that mean it will only be available to order from July? Or will dealer stock hit the showroom from July?
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FYI
Now the facelift of the compact athlete is in the starting blocks - and with it all previous problems are to be eliminated. But if you want to put the fresh GTI in front of the door, you still need some patience, because only from July will the compact athlete find his way to the dealer. (c) Autobild
Market launch is expected to be from July 2024, after which all derivatives of the facelift of Golf and Golf Variant will successively come to the dealers. (c) Bild
Does that mean it will only be available to order from July? Or will dealer stock hit the showroom from July?
No, orders open in Spring. However, all we are talking about is Germany. But I heard the same for Italy. Dealer stock in the showroom - July.
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From top gear "VW assures us the GTI Clubsport, the Golf R and the Golf R Estate will also receive the facelift treatment later in 2024. "
In other words those won't be available until later this year... September would be my guess.
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Yeah, I'm curious about how things are going to be. Many sources confirm that all the trims/engines that were presented today (incl. GTE, GTI) will be in dealer stock in July.
The question is. Can they show CS, R a bit later (March, April?), and then open orders for them so they can arrive at the same time in July?
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They should do a side badge delete option to get rid of those utterly horrid door badges.
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Here's one of the new colours for the mk8.5 - oyster silver metallic:
Video shows the colour on the Touareg
https://youtu.be/clD4-Fqd58A?si=fZa5LrZiIkCvKPRV
Was set on getting Dolphin Grey, but this oyster silver colour looks even better imo. A hint of grey added to it when compared to Reflex Silver.
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Side badges are easily removed:
1) Add some heat with a hairdryer to weaken the glue
2) Prise off with an old credit card so you don't scratch the paint underneath
3) Remove any leftover glue with surgical spirit
Job done!
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I agree Bill San; they need to come off. I would consider adding a couple of Flitzers (side wing badges). There are plenty on eBay from around £20 but being overly critical I don’t see any that say GTI in the Mk8 font which is different from that on the 7.5, the G is different. :whistle:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225973498557?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=J6rWrBs6Qqe&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=3KSa6FY4TXi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
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Is the GTD discontinued?
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Is the GTD discontinued?
Yes. Here's an article which confirms it:
https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/volkswagen-reveals-rebooted-golf-mk8-5-with-new-styling-and-better-tech/296554
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Here's one of the new colours for the mk8.5 - oyster silver metallic:
Video shows the colour on the Touareg
https://youtu.be/clD4-Fqd58A?si=fZa5LrZiIkCvKPRV
Was set on getting Dolphin Grey, but this oyster silver colour looks even better imo. A hint of grey added to it when compared to Reflex Silver.
I'm having Dolphin Grey now. Probably one of the best grey colours I've ever seen, BUT (!) only when completely clean. Otherwise, that's a regular grey color, unfortunately. Though if I was up for the 8.5, I would still consider buying a dolphin grey and clean it more often. haha.
This Oyster silver looks like Moonstone Grey but metallic. I'm not sure about that on a GTI.
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The new Passat estate prices have just been announced:
£42,830 for an R-Line 150bhp without any options.
Based on this, I wouldn't be surprised if the MK8.5 GTI is around the £44k-£45k mark without any options. A massive increase on the current mk8.
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Very likely to be +9% easily...
Which would make it from 43-44k....without options.
Its getting a bit daft really.
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In the region of 43-44k for an 8.5 GTI without options is insane, worlds gone mad
8.5 R or even a Clubsport to start at 49,995?
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What does this mean for a second hand version though? When I bought my Clubsport I think base price was around 38k. Probably looking at 45k for a new club sport soon. Surely this will drag the second hand car prices up with them?
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I reckon the clubby with be about 47k and the R most likely just under 50...
Used prices... who knows. A high RRP is not linked to the second hand values much!
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Thanks to the performance improvement from 180 to 195 kW, you can now accelerate from 0 to 100 km/h within 5.9 seconds. The front axle differential lock in combination with progressive steering ensures even more comfort on your journeys even at the maximum speed of 250 km/h.
:shocked: :shocked: is it really possible considering the MK8 GTI did 6.3 sec with 245 h.p. ? I'm inclined to believe VW as they usually don't lie like other manufacturers (we won't point the finger but we all know.. :grin:)
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Thanks to the performance improvement from 180 to 195 kW, you can now accelerate from 0 to 100 km/h within 5.9 seconds. The front axle differential lock in combination with progressive steering ensures even more comfort on your journeys even at the maximum speed of 250 km/h.
:shocked: :shocked: is it really possible considering the MK8 GTI did 6.3 sec with 245 h.p. ? I'm inclined to believe VW as they usually don't lie like other manufacturers (we won't point the finger but we all know.. :grin:)
Big drop in 0-62 time from only a 20ps increase - lower gearing, a big increase in torque or better traction?
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Thanks to the performance improvement from 180 to 195 kW, you can now accelerate from 0 to 100 km/h within 5.9 seconds. The front axle differential lock in combination with progressive steering ensures even more comfort on your journeys even at the maximum speed of 250 km/h.
:shocked: :shocked: is it really possible considering the MK8 GTI did 6.3 sec with 245 h.p. ? I'm inclined to believe VW as they usually don't lie like other manufacturers (we won't point the finger but we all know.. :grin:)
Big drop in 0-62 time from only a 20ps increase - lower gearing, a big increase in torque or better traction?
Probably some complex stuff. VW claims 6.3 sec for the MK8 GTI, and that's my average number. However, I did 6.09 sec with a good grip. TBH, I tried just 3-4 times during the last few years. It's not that I did 50 times 0-100, and only 1 out of 50 was 6.09, haha. So 5.9 in 8.5 GTI might be truth with a good grip & traction.
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I agree Bill San; they need to come off. I would consider adding a couple of Flitzers (side wing badges). There are plenty on eBay from around £20 but being overly critical I don’t see any that say GTI in the Mk8 font which is different from that on the 7.5, the G is different. :whistle:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225973498557?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=J6rWrBs6Qqe&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=3KSa6FY4TXi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/175747294917?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=fIRpI2Q-Qwi&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=tp2LCNeJSEm&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
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(https://i.postimg.cc/MKWcVvms/temp-Image6-GQGPR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F1BsQFqc)
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Probably some complex stuff. VW claims 6.3 sec for the MK8 GTI, and that's my average number. However, I did 6.09 sec with a good grip. TBH, I tried just 3-4 times during the last few years. It's not that I did 50 times 0-100, and only 1 out of 50 was 6.09, haha. So 5.9 in 8.5 GTI might be truth with a good grip & traction.
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Makes sense though, about halfway between Mk8 GTI and Ckubsport in terms of power, and about halfway between their 0-60 times.
I remember seeing CarWow's comparison video of the 2018 GTI PP and R, they managed 5.7s in the GTI... Of course though, no idea how many runs it took, if the run was on flat ground etc... Nice to know though! :whistle:
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(https://i.postimg.cc/MKWcVvms/temp-Image6-GQGPR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F1BsQFqc)
Is that for real? I know I joke about special editions being a sticker pack but...
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Is that for real? I know I joke about special editions being a sticker pack but...
Sounds like anything but a special edition IMHO.
I wonder how much extra VW will be charging for that sticker pack :whistle:.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/MKWcVvms/temp-Image6-GQGPR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F1BsQFqc)
Is that for real? I know I joke about special editions being a sticker pack but...
yep, for real :grin:
The funny thing that it's not even the R-Line..
(https://i.postimg.cc/59ZcPWNr/temp-Imageb-Wc-SJR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bdHFJMn0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/RC35QZ9f/temp-Image-LWKm-CM.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jCrFRKDd)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/MKWcVvms/temp-Image6-GQGPR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F1BsQFqc)
Is that for real? I know I joke about special editions being a sticker pack but...
yep, for real :grin:
The funny thing that it's not even the R-Line..
(https://i.postimg.cc/59ZcPWNr/temp-Imageb-Wc-SJR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bdHFJMn0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/RC35QZ9f/temp-Image-LWKm-CM.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jCrFRKDd)
How did you find that? I couldn't see it on the VW website. Not that I'm interested in getting it lol
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(https://i.postimg.cc/MKWcVvms/temp-Image6-GQGPR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F1BsQFqc)
Is that for real? I know I joke about special editions being a sticker pack but...
yep, for real :grin:
The funny thing that it's not even the R-Line..
(https://i.postimg.cc/59ZcPWNr/temp-Imageb-Wc-SJR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bdHFJMn0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/RC35QZ9f/temp-Image-LWKm-CM.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jCrFRKDd)
How did you find that? I couldn't see it on the VW website. Not that I'm interested in getting it lol
haha, VW DE website. there is more information about Golf than on any other.
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Hello there :whistle:
(https://i.postimg.cc/xCTZTHKk/temp-Image2-BGb-FC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wtZ2w14H)
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Not sure they could make any less effort on that ED50. Couple of numbers from a birthday cake, give us your money fcuk you very much.
So much potential. So much arrogance.
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Not sure they could make any less effort on that ED50. Couple of numbers from a birthday cake, give us your money fcuk you very much.
So much potential. So much arrogance.
That's very true!
And the worst thing is so many people will pay extra for it and then VW will keep doing it.
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The German VW website has even got the GTI facelift page set up: https://www.volkswagen.de/de/modelle/der-neue-golf-gti.html
This is what it say's on there:
"In just a few weeks you will find the new Golf GTI in the configurator and can configure and pre-order it."
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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/andreas-mindt-how-make-vw-nice-guys-again
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How does the cost of the ID 2all interior work out compared with an existing car with its simplified design but higher-quality materials?
“[The cost] might stay the same but we up the quality as you save costs with less complex interiors. The money you take out of it you put back into the materials.
“There are too many derivatives today, with the amount of colours and also wheels. We’re moving away from that, [personalisation to create] a different car for everyone. In the USA, you buy a car off the yard of a dealer.
“Nobody orders it. We’ll simplify and combine options with packages, so you don’t spend two hours on a configurator and have no idea what you’ve ordered. It is our task to reduce and I see design as part of that.
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Thoughts ? :wink:
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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/andreas-mindt-how-make-vw-nice-guys-again
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How does the cost of the ID 2all interior work out compared with an existing car with its simplified design but higher-quality materials?
“[The cost] might stay the same but we up the quality as you save costs with less complex interiors. The money you take out of it you put back into the materials.
“There are too many derivatives today, with the amount of colours and also wheels. We’re moving away from that, [personalisation to create] a different car for everyone. In the USA, you buy a car off the yard of a dealer.
“Nobody orders it. We’ll simplify and combine options with packages, so you don’t spend two hours on a configurator and have no idea what you’ve ordered. It is our task to reduce and I see design as part of that.
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Thoughts ? :wink:
Building standard models and removing the personalisation has been happening with some models of Seat for a few years now so it’s already happening within VAG. With the Leon and Ibiza - probably other models too - I think the only choices a customer has to make are the trim level (e.g. SE, FR etc.), engine/transmission, the paint colour, and with some models, whether to have the optional sunroof. Removes some of the production complexity (and presumably production cost), so should create production efficiencies, speed up production and reduce lead times - assuming there aren’t global supply chain issues like there have been in recent years.
I dare say that subscription-based options will also become more commonplace within the motor industry which will still give the customer an element of personalisation. I think BMW (and possibly Audi?) already have subscription based options that can be activated from new or retro-activated, so I’d expect VW to also offer this as new models are launched.
As for less complex interiors - it’ll be interesting to see if this means less complex for the owner to use (e.g. easier to use touchscreens and / or physical controls for the most commonly used functions) or less complex for VW to build (or both?). I see the interior picture of the ID. 2all in the linked Autocar article has a rotary control in the centre console - presumably to navigate the touchscreen - and a panel of physical buttons below the touchscreen, which does suggest less complexity for the customer.
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The rotary dial on the centre console looks like its the same as the new dial on the tiguan Mk3. It allows you to toggle through drive modes, or use as volume control, or another function of your choosing. I don't think it navigates the touch screen, instead i am lead to believe it is an additional function as well as the touch screen. It looks good, but could be another distraction from looking at the road for some.
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SRGTD,
VW already have software purchase activated features on the Mk8... Just that the UK performance models have them all enabled already.
Lesser models or other markets are already different... More of this to come for sure.
Subscription revenue models are all the rage in most market sectors and I guess car makers wanted a piece of that too.
I've not read the contract details but yesterday was struck with the thought that a ten year old modern car might well be crippled in the future because the Internet based services they relied on were taken down by the oem. Much like your phone no longer getting updates or your games console no longer able to access the games you paid for.... It definitely will happen at some point. Better phone makers state how long support will be maintained... I don't think vw offer any guarantees for support beyond a warranty period!
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Things we might see suddenly drop dead over night would include...
Traffic data for the vw Sat nav
Purchased features from the shop unable to activate (because it checks your subscription at start)
Android auto stopping working because your car hardware is obsolete
Any form of app access to your car being ceased
And that's before you consider 4g getting obsoleted (like 3g was on the mk7.5!) or even that vw stop the gecko authentication platform that is used to access your car in the workshop!
It's quite scary when you think of this
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SRGTD,
VW already have software purchase activated features on the Mk8... Just that the UK performance models have them all enabled already.
Lesser models or other markets are already different... More of this to come for sure.
Subscription revenue models are all the rage in most market sectors and I guess car makers wanted a piece of that too.
I've not read the contract details but yesterday was struck with the thought that a ten year old modern car might well be crippled in the future because the Internet based services they relied on were taken down by the oem. Much like your phone no longer getting updates or your games console no longer able to access the games you paid for.... It definitely will happen at some point. Better phone makers state how long support will be maintained... I don't think vw offer any guarantees for support beyond a warranty period!
Thanks Fred. I realised that was the case after I’d posted :embarrassed:. It was getting late and had been a long day, so didn’t change it - went to bed instead! :grin:
It’s an interesting point you make about obsolescence and internet services being taken down. I’m sure VW have considered that (NOT!) :grin: :whistle:
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Image posted by faceliftgt on instagram of the 8.5 R, front end looks super aggressive with those extra fins
(https://i.postimg.cc/qM6XYFpP/IMG-0286.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/D8FX4BJ6)
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Image posted by faceliftgt on instagram of the 8.5 R, front end looks super aggressive with those extra fins
(https://i.postimg.cc/qM6XYFpP/IMG-0286.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/D8FX4BJ6)
The fins you see there in blue, are in fact fake/camouflage, the actual ‘fins’ run along the bottom edge of the bumper and turn up below the number plate, they have been vinyl wrapped in gloss black in order to hide them.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/fLS4Swbf/2025-volkswagen-golf-r-with-camouflage.webp) (https://postimages.org/)
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SRGTD,
VW already have software purchase activated features on the Mk8... Just that the UK performance models have them all enabled already.
Lesser models or other markets are already different... More of this to come for sure.
Subscription revenue models are all the rage in most market sectors and I guess car makers wanted a piece of that too.
I've not read the contract details but yesterday was struck with the thought that a ten year old modern car might well be crippled in the future because the Internet based services they relied on were taken down by the oem. Much like your phone no longer getting updates or your games console no longer able to access the games you paid for.... It definitely will happen at some point. Better phone makers state how long support will be maintained... I don't think vw offer any guarantees for support beyond a warranty period!
Thanks Fred. I realised that was the case after I’d posted :embarrassed:. It was getting late and had been a long day, so didn’t change it - went to bed instead! :grin:
It’s an interesting point you make about obsolescence and internet services being taken down. I’m sure VW have considered that (NOT!) :grin: :whistle:
On my S3, you have to purchase ACC or traffic signal recognition (about £400 each lifetime purchase, about £90 a year otherwise). Given the hardware is already there and in use for other systems such as "Audi presense" crash avoidance, I think they're having a laugh. I'd pay about £200 to add ACC, but speed recognition is just crap - the amount of times it'll ping a 40mph sign up a sliproad from the national speed limit road you are still on is poor.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/fLS4Swbf/2025-volkswagen-golf-r-with-camouflage.webp) (https://postimages.org/)
Lots of very large gaps in that lower grille - ideal for letting quite large projectile road debris though and damaging the a/c condenser, collecting leaves, catching low flying birds, and letting small rodents and other creatures crawl in to nest and hibernate :grin: :whistle:.
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Not sure they could make any less effort on that ED50. Couple of numbers from a birthday cake, give us your money fcuk you very much.
So much potential. So much arrogance.
Yep :sad:
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Not sure they could make any less effort on that ED50. Couple of numbers from a birthday cake, give us your money fcuk you very much.
So much potential. So much arrogance.
Yep :sad:
I think VW will make more of an effort with the Ed50 GTI in a couple years as it’s a halo brand in its own right.
No real surprises for me that the cooking Golf 50th Anni is just a few badges, it’s not exactly a model range that pulls at the heartstrings especially in an era where SUV’s win hands down on an increasing majority’s want list.
A few badges and an advertising campaign is all it needs for non performance models that’ll just slip into obscurity next year until some intrepid collectors suddenly rediscover a few in a couple decades time for their YouTube channels (or whatever medium equivalent it is by then).
I mean how excited was the world when VW launched the Golf and Polo Genesis editions in 1992 or whenever it was, and exactly how sought after would a rusty one be now compared to a 20th Anni GTI mk3?
And the Genisis models did at least have some unique bits and paint job. Nobody cared. The VR6 Highline a year or so later people did get excited about, and all that was really was a different colour leather inside, because the VR6 like the GTI did spike a bit of emotion in people.
A regular Golf is just a regular Golf, sticker kit or full on bodykit.
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Don't know if this is news but..
VW's switch to electric cars means this revised 'Mk8.5' version will be its last with a petrol engine.
Bosses last year confirmed that the next-generation T-Roc crossover in 2026 will be the final new combustion engine model to launch before the brand fully commits to electric. This ultimately means the Mk9 Golf will have electric propulsion.
'With that [the Mk8 facelift], the car is set until the end of the decade. Then we have to see how this segment develops,' Thomas Schaefer, CEO of VW cars, told German magazine Automobilwoche in April.
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Don't know if this is news but..
VW's switch to electric cars means this revised 'Mk8.5' version will be its last with a petrol engine.
Bosses last year confirmed that the next-generation T-Roc crossover in 2026 will be the final new combustion engine model to launch before the brand fully commits to electric. This ultimately means the Mk9 Golf will have electric propulsion.
'With that [the Mk8 facelift], the car is set until the end of the decade. Then we have to see how this segment develops,' Thomas Schaefer, CEO of VW cars, told German magazine Automobilwoche in April.
yeah, they told more than a year ago that new T-Roc will be the last one with ICE..
Things could dramatically change during the next 6 years.
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Is the GTD discontinued?
Yes. Here's an article which confirms it:
https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/volkswagen-reveals-rebooted-golf-mk8-5-with-new-styling-and-better-tech/296554
Disaster !! I absolutely LOVE my GTD, and was looking forward to getting another new one in 2025.
It is pretty fast (obvioulsy not compared to the GTi), but my last car was a T-Roc R, which was very fast, but the GTD's low down torque makes acceleration seem to be less frenetic and smoother.
Also I often get over 65 mpg on motorway runs
I've had a GTD 7.0, 7.5 and 8.0 and I've loved all of them. I cannot believe how many people are moving away from diesel.
If the GTD has disappeared forever, it's a sad day ...... :sad: :sad:
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Yeah GTD ended, it's true.
Vw say nobody was buying them.
I've seen none on the road. I think only one person on here ever had a mk8 one.
I loved both of the ones I had. Very frugal on fuel and quick enough for the road.
My thing was that towns and cities were starting to go bonkers banning diesel and I wasn't about to buy another and discover they wouldn't let me go somewhere.
The hatred was illogical but none the less definitely a thing.
Also it turned out the logic that derv was cheaper than petrol per litre suddenly stopped. At some points recently it got really really expensive compared to petrol. Shouldn't have been but it was...
No it doesn't surprise me the GTD is gone.
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Yeah GTD ended, it's true.
Vw say nobody was buying them.
I've seen none on the road. I think only one person on here ever had a mk8 one.
I loved both of the ones I had. Very frugal on fuel and quick enough for the road.
My thing was that towns and cities were starting to go bonkers banning diesel and I wasn't about to buy another and discover they wouldn't let me go somewhere.
The hatred was illogical but none the less definitely a thing.
Also it turned out the logic that derv was cheaper than petrol per litre suddenly stopped. At some points recently it got really really expensive compared to petrol. Shouldn't have been but it was...
No it doesn't surprise me the GTD is gone.
I’ve not seen any mk8 GTD’s on the road either. I think that oil burners are becoming - or have become - demonised; unfairly IMHO as modern diesels aren’t the dirty cars that they once were.
I had a mk6 Golf GTD and I loved it; one of the best cars I’ve owned.
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Seen quite a few Mk8 GTD's near me. Not as many as GTi's but seems more popular than the R or the Clubsport.
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Have seen a few Mk8 GTDs, mostly passing me on the M5 or M42 - their natural environment? Still a place for diesels for high mileage drivers or for towing. As we head towards 2035, most new diesels being sold likely to be Range Rovers and big Audi/Merc SUVs.
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I see a good few mk8 GTD’s around. In rural areas they make a lot of sense and it’s such a shame Diesels have been demonised out of production across the board.
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Have VW officially said the GTD is gone or are we just surmising?
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/362087/new-2024-volkswagen-golf-facelift-arrives-updated-styling-and-improved-tech
but as yet there’s no word on if the diesel GTD hot hatch will make a return.
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Have VW officially said the GTD is gone or are we just surmising?
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/362087/new-2024-volkswagen-golf-facelift-arrives-updated-styling-and-improved-tech
but as yet there’s no word on if the diesel GTD hot hatch will make a return.
According to the CarDealer Magazine article at the link posted by @jon87 in reply #238 of this discussion topic yes, the GTD has been discontinued - to quote from said article;
’The sporty GTD diesel model has also been discontinued because of falling demand’.
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Have VW officially said the GTD is gone or are we just surmising?
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/362087/new-2024-volkswagen-golf-facelift-arrives-updated-styling-and-improved-tech
but as yet there’s no word on if the diesel GTD hot hatch will make a return.
According to the CarDealer Magazine article at the link posted by @jon87 in reply #238 of this discussion topic yes, the GTD has been discontinued - to quote from said article;
’The sporty GTD diesel model has also been discontinued because of falling demand’.
Yeah I saw that, I meant official confirmation from VW.
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Yeah I saw that, I meant official confirmation from VW.
I think its more that its simply not mentioned at all in the mk8.5 marketing statements.
They've not specifically said "and the GTD is not going to be a mk8.5"
Every other model is mentioned. I'm not even sure if there are any oil burners across the range... probably a casualty of both the diesel hate campaign and VW not wanting to have to put more stuff through engineering/test for WLTP and emissions.
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German configurator is opened - https://www.volkswagen.de/de/konfigurator.html/__app/der-neue-golf-2024.app?---=%7B%22configuration-step-navigation-service%22%3A%22%2F%3FconfigStep%3D%257B%2522context%2522%253A%252230602-34425-Golf%2522%252C%2522selectedStep%2522%253A%2522trim%2522%257D%22%7D
Some things I noticed:
Not all colours are available so far (no red, new crystal blue, etc).
Not all engines are available (expected).
13inch display is standard for all trims as of now (that may change moving forward).
Fair price for the Area View Camera (390 EUR).
Looks like lightened logo will come standard with IQ light optics.
DCC is the same as it was. (no DCC PRO as in the other new models).
GTI & GTE will come later in Q2.