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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: Stupidog on 04 July 2011, 10:57
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Hi,
I've just bought an 8v Turbo Technics MK2 in the last month or so, initial impressions are good is def flys along when it's over 3500rpm.
I was wondering if anyone else has one of these or if there is any info out there about them ?
I'm trying to find out stuff like, BHP, Torque, MPG etc
Also it seems a little hesitant off boost, is this normal given the timing set up, 28 deg BTC ?
All info appreciated.
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Hi,
I've just bought an 8v Turbo Technics MK2 in the last month or so, initial impressions are good is def flys along when it's over 3500rpm.
I was wondering if anyone else has one of these or if there is any info out there about them ?
I'm trying to find out stuff like, BHP, Torque, MPG etc
Also it seems a little hesitant off boost, is this normal given the timing set up, 28 deg BTC ?
All info appreciated.
high... Wow, nice rare motor that... Welcome to the forum by the way... Get some pics up if you can, keen to see this... The closest thing on here to yours is this http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=155317.0
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you lucky get, if you ever sell it call me :wink:
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That is a very rare motor just done a little google search and all the links that come up are 16v Turbo Technic mk2's... We need some pics and a build thread :wink:
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you lucky get, if you ever sell it call me :wink:
And if you ever buy it, call me. :grin:
That is a very rare motor just done a little google search and all the links that come up are 16v Turbo Technic mk2's... We need some pics and a build thread :wink:
Yes... yes we do!
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Turbo 8v's are cool to be different, but don't expect any major power from it. A mate had one years ago, and worked for a well rated car tuner/ engine builder at the time. He fully rebuilt it, lightened and balanced everything, had extra injectors on boost sensitive switches, custom oil catch tank as it used to blow oil everywhere (out of dump valve + rocker), basically he got just over 160 bhp and anymore is a nightmare on kjet. He ended up selling the whole kit for 500 (t3 included!) Because it wouldn't do what he wanted... Keep it standard + enjoy it I'd say.
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Turbo 8v's are cool to be different, but don't expect any major power from it. A mate had one years ago, and worked for a well rated car tuner/ engine builder at the time. He fully rebuilt it, lightened and balanced everything, had extra injectors on boost sensitive switches, custom oil catch tank as it used to blow oil everywhere (out of dump valve + rocker), basically he got just over 160 bhp and anymore is a nightmare on kjet. He ended up selling the whole kit for 500 (t3 included!) Because it wouldn't do what he wanted... Keep it standard + enjoy it I'd say.
Yeah the point here is that it isn't something you'd want to do now but an old skooler that's already been is worth having and keeping as it is... :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
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Tidy example of a Turbo Technics Mk1 .
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a300/abmthomson/MK1%20Turbo%20Technics%20Pictures/IMG_0121.jpg)
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Might be worth contacting http://www.turbotechnics.com/index.htm
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Yeah defo, keep it, and keep it standard!!
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Right here goes at posting pics, No new ones yet but these are from the ad I bought it from
(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz88/Stupidog007/Golf%20GTi%20TT%208V/2678908-1.jpg)
(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz88/Stupidog007/Golf%20GTi%20TT%208V/2678908-2.jpg)
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Yeah defo, keep it, and keep it standard!!
I wanna see pics! :cool:
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The plan is to keep it standard and probally change the wheels for a refurbed set of BBS RA's that I have. Tricky as I like the wheels on it but I was going to go full 80's. BBS styleee, I might even get a set of Mirrored Avaitors for me :cool:
Oh and the BBS tail spoiler nearly put me off but when you see the car a whole it grows on you, fits in well with the Old Skool mods theme..
It's 1 owner from new, I'm the second, FSH etc serviced every year. This means I'm loathed to mess about with the feel of the car, I reckon best leave it as is and just enjoy it for now :grin:
Even the plate fits in A 1.8 VW Turbo
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Oh, no pics of the engine handy but it needs a dam good clean before it's worth a buchers, maybe that will get done this month.... :huh:
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Right here goes at posting pics, No new ones yet but these are from the ad I bought it from
(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz88/Stupidog007/Golf%20GTi%20TT%208V/2678908-1.jpg)
(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz88/Stupidog007/Golf%20GTi%20TT%208V/2678908-2.jpg)
I fooking love every inch of it bar the spoiler but that was the thing at the time.... would look ace next too mine, very similar body!
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Yeah, getting your head aroung the spoiler takes a bit of time, I used to have a 5 Door Mk2 so it did look out of place for a start.
It has grown on me though, and it def makes the car go faster I reckon it adds about 50Bhp :rolleyes:
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Yeah, getting your head aroung the spoiler takes a bit of time, I used to have a 5 Door Mk2 so it did look out of place for a start.
It has grown on me though, and it def makes the car go faster I reckon it adds about 50Bhp :rolleyes:
I think you're right, more downforce too! :grin:
Anyway love this car, retro as fook in every way which is right up my street.. engine pic when you get a chance. :afro:
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Nice find. :afro: Love it. :cool: I'm thinking the wheels need to be a bit more old skool. :undecided:
I actually like the styling of it, including the rear spoiler. :lipsrsealed:
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Nice find. :afro: Love it. :cool: I'm thinking the wheels need to be a bit more old skool. :undecided:
I actually like the styling of it, including the rear spoiler. :lipsrsealed:
Yeah its not that bad on this car, like I said, it's fitting with the era of the rest of it, but agree, the wheels don't. need something more spokey.
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need something more spokey.
.....and no dish. :wink:
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Love it :cool:
Just for info those wheels are TSW Omega's
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need something more spokey.
.....and no dish. :wink:
THIS :cool:
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb300/mike_photos_photos/P1010518.jpg)
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The OZ are a great wheel but I think the BBS RA will win for a couple of reasons,
It's a BBS kit so it's in the right theme
I have a set in the garage collecting dust so it's no cost ( Well maybe blast and paint cost) option.
I had though about BBS RS but the are fing expensive and I want to use the car as well as polish it :wink:
Cheers on the spoiler,like the boob job on Pam you can tell it's added but after a while you grow to see the beauty in it :smug:
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The OZ are a great wheel but I think the BBS RA will win for a couple of reasons,
It's a BBS kit so it's in the right theme
I have a set in the garage collecting dust so it's no cost ( Well maybe blast and paint cost) option.
I had though about BBS RS but the are fing expensive and I want to use the car as well as polish it :wink:
Cheers on the spoiler,like the boob job on Pam you can tell it's added but after a while you grow to see the beauty in it :smug:
Exactly what I thought and did with mine as it's also wearing BBS, got RA sportlines on mine.
My fave pic
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/freresmith/BodyComplete.jpg)
Just like those Oz's with the red detail for yours.
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:cool:
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Its a lovely car, but wouldn't running a turbo on a k-jet make it much more likely to go bang?
Its already been suggested on here that its easy enough for a NA k-jet to go bang :grin:
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Its a lovely car, but wouldn't running a turbo on a k-jet make it much more likely to go bang?
Its already been suggested on here that its easy enough for a NA k-jet to go bang :grin:
it is not the best thing or idea in the world but they had to use what was available then.
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The work carried out but Turbo Technics seems to have stood the test of time so far, it's at just over 100K on the original engine and turbo with no rebuilds to date.
No doubt that will be the kiss of death on it an it will pop tomorrow :lipsrsealed:
From what I can find out they seem to change quite a bit, fuelling, machined pistons and a machined bottom end to lower compression.
Any other info appreciated, I am trying to get info from TT but nothing as yet
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Here's a couple more pics
(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz88/Stupidog007/Golf%20GTi%20TT%208V/more002.jpg)
(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz88/Stupidog007/Golf%20GTi%20TT%208V/2678908-4.jpg)
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Its a lovely car, but wouldn't running a turbo on a k-jet make it much more likely to go bang?
Its already been suggested on here that its easy enough for a NA k-jet to go bang :grin:
Yep it is not the best thing or idea in the world but they had to use what was available then.
Its cars like these that helped give us what we have today. I am so reluctant to give mine a transplant, we need to keep some 100% old skoolers alive Especially ones like this, Caistors, mine and any other different from the norms. They were different then and they're becoming rare now. soon everything will be a 20vt and that for me is a needs must option.
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Those OZ are growing on me, does anyone know why they are called ?
Note to self, stop spending money I don't need too :rolleyes:
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Those OZ are growing on me, does anyone know why they are called ?
Note to self, stop spending money I don't need too :rolleyes:
Yes I think originally they were OZ Ford WRC Magnesium wheels. later made for other fitments as Oz Racing Magnesium (i think).. an alternative to look out for is Compomotive TH.
(http://www.korstbanden.nl/afbeeldingen/compomotive_th.jpg)
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the OZ ones which are the ones you want are bloody expensive if they are real as they weigh next to nothing..
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They are nice though :laugh:
I think I will stick with the plan of the BBS for now and just get the use out of the car..... there's always time to splash the cash later.
BTW I'm still at a dead end in finding any hard data about these conversions, the turbo effect on them is great though but you do have to be in the "Zone ": to make it work right.
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They are nice though :laugh:
I think I will stick with the plan of the BBS for now and just get the use out of the car..... there's always time to splash the cash later.
BTW I'm still at a dead end in finding any hard data about these conversions, the turbo effect on them is great though but you do have to be in the "Zone ": to make it work right.
Being a MK1 nut the closest I can find is THIS (http://www.vwgolfmk1.org.uk/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=101850&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0) They're talking about Mk1's but it's the same motor.
the user on that site turbtechnicsMK1 knows his stuff.
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Yeah, I was involved in that thread :smiley:
Third down, I have a MK1 conv too so I'm on there a bit.
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Yeah, I was involved in that thread :smiley:
Third down, I have a MK1 conv too so I'm on there a bit.
Youve got a turbo technics mk1 too! :shocked:
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No the MK1 Conv is a 1.6 with a fast road cam in a 1.8 Shell, I didn't build it that way it's how it came.
It was a 500 quid basket case when I got but 1000 sheets on from that it's nearly pulled around.
It is a weird combo of 1.6 screamer on a 1.8 box :shocked:
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No the MK1 Conv is a 1.6 with a fast road cam in a 1.8 Shell, I didn't build it that way it's how it came.
It was a 500 quid basket case when I got but 1000 sheets on from that it's nearly pulled around.
It is a weird combo of 1.6 screamer on a 1.8 box :shocked:
Sounds fun... when you said you were involved in that thread and you have a mk1 I thought you had a technics one of them too!
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This needs a photo session with Shaun's Mk1, that'd be like... 90's PVW cover shot!
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This needs a photo session with Shaun's Mk1, that'd be like... 90's PVW cover shot!
I like the sound of this although it's pretty damn far away!
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Aberdeen is far away from everywhere !
I picked the car up near Heathrow and did a 7.5 hr run to get it up here, quite a leap of faith for a first propper drive in a 25 year old car :huh:
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Wow!
The first mk2 to make me excited in a long time!
Love the whole car! Spoiler and wheels included!
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I picked the car up near Heathrow and did a 7.5 hr run to get it up here, quite a leap of faith for a first propper drive in a 25 year old car :huh:
Now that's dedication. :grin:
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Aberdeen is far away from everywhere !
I picked the car up near Heathrow and did a 7.5 hr run to get it up here, quite a leap of faith for a first propper drive in a 25 year old car :huh:
Probably the best thing for you both. :grin:
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Well I got the timing checked and it was slightly out, bugger finding someone with a advance variable timing gun.
With that done it seems to be running smoother below the Turbo Zone, ( Or so my Father says as I haven't got shot as I'm away at work).
Next up will be to try the new plugs I bought, one change at a time and all that...
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Quick Update, the car is faster and happier so that's good, the on boost acceleration is really all the car can handle I had a wheel spinning up in third as it came on boost !
On the down side it sometimes won't start when cold, it can take 5 min of churning, that coupled with a smell of petrol from time to time has got me wondering if there is a fuel leak. I'm thinking lift pump but am not exactly an expert on the fueling system.
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Going to get in on r/r to prove correct fuelling and the bhp?
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It's on the plan I just haven't got round to it yet.
I'm not too worried about the BHP, if it drives right and feels right I'll be happy but obviously the fueling is a concern so I will try to get on to that this month
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On the down side it sometimes won't start when cold, it can take 5 min of churning, that coupled with a smell of petrol from time to time has got me wondering if there is a fuel leak. I'm thinking lift pump but am not exactly an expert on the fueling system.
Is it k jet in which case, warm up reg could be giving trouble, might also be worth looking at / checking the metering head.
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Yeah it's K-jet, I'll put the warm up reg on the list. I suppose given that it's summer I could disconnect it and see how it goes ?
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Yeah sorry, didn't mean 'prove' power, more check the power out of interest.. Regarding starting, is it flooding, or starved?? If flooding, maybe try disconnecting the cold start injector (I have to have mine unplugged all summer). The wur heater element helps it to come 'off choke' quicker, so disconnecting it means your relying on heatsoak from the engine to 'ramp off' choke, so it'll probably worsen. Its prob more a case of proving all injectors for equal delivery and no drips, then proving the pump + system pressure with gauges, and setting the wur control pressure when fully upto temp.. Not sure what the control pressure is on a turbo kjet, prob best for a good kjet rolling roader to set it all up, watching afr's and adjusting accordingly..
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Just noticed you have a MK1 cab too, great minds think alike haha
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I did post some old pics of the MK1 Cab but I need to get some more up, I've just got the lower part of the car sprayed and fitted a new leather seats set. It needs a good polish up after the paint work then I'll get a few photo's
Good point on the cold start inj, I did have to do a lot of this on the Mk1 to get it running and some of it is coming back to me now......
Start with the easy stuff and work my way on to the other bits I suppose, I'm sure it will all come folding back :rolleyes:
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Cold start injector was taped off eventually on mosy k-jet turbotechnics conversions due to isssues :smiley:
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Right I'll give that a go... I've not been able to find a great deal of info about the TT golfs, particularly 8V :huh:
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Old thread revival but it keeps it all together.
I need a new airflow meter, turbo technics don't do the parts anymore, does anyone have any ideas?
I was wondering about getting a standard one and changing the resistor.. is it that simple or am I on the wrong track?
I've also heard the BMW 535 meter would work, ant truth in that ?
:shocked:
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Airflow meter? You mean 'metering head' if it's K-Jet?
I always hear 'Vince from Stealth' when people say 'K-Jet tuning' so maybe talk to him?
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I'm sure this is K-Jet.....
As DH says, it's the metering head, this controls the amount of fuel getting to the injectors via a plate that moves by the force of induction.
Although Technics don't supply parts anymore, I would at least ask them if they modified the standard unit in anyway. (mine is documented as modified but does not state in what way) Hopefully yours is standard and the only modification required would be the fueling setup to match the engines demands.
They do come up on ebay from time to time. Often many forums have them in classifieds where people have done a transplant or converted to carbs etc.
I did know of a place (not in the uk) that did refurbs on an exchange basis if you're after a new one. Will have to see if I can find more info when not at work.
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Absolute corker of a car that, good to know somebody is looking after a car like this.
K-jet can be a sod to diagnose but is actually a very robust system once brought back to life, I've had 3 k-jet mk2s now and all of them liked to be used, sitting round makes them really sulk!
Air leaks in the inlet tract are the single biggest enemy of k-jet cars (that and the difficulty in finding spares)
It's worth bearing in mind that you can mix and match k-jet parts between different cars, so for example the testarossa shared parts with the v8 porsches of the time, large mercedes and bmw did the same, audi 5pots, ford granada/capri 2.8i.... the list goes on, but if you think of it as 100hp cars having a bosch 100hp system, 150hp having the next one up and so on thats kind of how it went, with the most taylored part to a given engine being the metering head (the shape of the taper the flap lifts into directly affects the rate of opening and fuel ratio) obviously you don't want to cock up a really good car but to keep it going whilst you source the correct parts it can be a handy stop gap. The one part that demands a good setting up session if replaced even with an original spec one is the metering head, they are easy to adjust and get the car starting and driving well (i did exactly that on my mates mercedes cosworth this weekend) but a bugger to get right - in fact even on a dyno you are looking for the best compromise but as has been said earlier in this thread that's what was available at that time, in fact it was THE best at that time!
Anyway, great to see and will look forward to seeing it fully eightysified. :)
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Hi Thanks for the replys,
I'll try stealth again , did try ringing on Thursday and Friday but no one answered the phone?
Turbo technics, hugely unhelpful...... I have been promised info from them for 18 months and nothing has appeared. When I phoned they said they didn't do parts and hadn't for 15 years, I asked if there was anyone who could help, ie another company or any info they could provide and the guy said no they don't support or deal with the old conversions :angry:
Yup Metering head, my bad.. I've had the car at Ricky Gauld in Huntly and he's saying the Plate is moving prematurely under load as the Turbo comes in causing the problem.
A rebuild might be the only option then... any advice on who?
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I'd be trawling the ford forums to find someone if I were you, the RS turbo boys are the last big k-jet spenders! Might be a viable alternative metering head to try too.....
i did find this a while back http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=metering%20head%20rebuild&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CFcQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.porsche928forums.com%2Fdownload%2Fmanuals%2FCISRebuild.pdf&ei=v1wxUOv9KMql0QWM5oDwDA&usg=AFQjCNH3_E6K45yVbwQZFzmGM45tqp8hBg&cad=rjt but have only glanced at it as mine is my daily and until that changes i don't fancy the job, doesn't actually look that hard to be honest, just a meticulous strip and clean, Use solvents and soft rags NOT abrasives of any kind inside the metering head) replace o ring seals and rebuild as you found it, definitely d-i-y able. Find a dud one to practice on and have a go yourself.
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Hi Thanks for the replys,
I'll try stealth again , did try ringing on Thursday and Friday but no one answered the phone?
Turbo technics, hugely unhelpful...... I have been promised info from them for 18 months and nothing has appeared. When I phoned they said they didn't do parts and hadn't for 15 years, I asked if there was anyone who could help, ie another company or any info they could provide and the guy said no they don't support or deal with the old conversions :angry:
Yup Metering head, my bad.. I've had the car at Ricky Gauld in Huntly and he's saying the Plate is moving prematurely under load as the Turbo comes in causing the problem.
A rebuild might be the only option then... any advice on who?
Here's the link I mentioned yesterday to the company that do remanufacturing of K-Jet items.
http://www.kmipetrolinjection.co.uk/Bosch%20K-Jetronic.htm
These guys claim that they can do K-jet overhauls, might be worth giving them a bell too and see what they can do?
http://www.ccengineservices.com/
And if you need a spare unit to keep your car going while another is being serviced or exchanged, there are a few on ebay at the moment, here's one
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-GOLF-MK1-MK2-AUDI-80-1-8-K-JET-FUEL-METERING-HEAD-049133353AA-/390453606795?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5ae8d9398b#ht_766wt_1037
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Old thread resurrection !!!
Right, so the Golf TT 8v engine had issues that I could not resolve and had to go on its holidays to CFM Engineering in Reading.
The fuelling issues were in the end solved with an electronic system but I have retained as much of the rest of the engine as was possible including the Original Turbo technics conversion parts (Unfortunately the pistons and rods were past saving)
As I live up in Scotland I have not yet seen her yet but have been sent a couple of teasers I thought I would post up....... all going well I should get the keys back early next month along with a rather large bill.
(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz88/Stupidog007/10489629_682574058483025_785367401486317947_n.jpg) (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Stupidog007/media/10489629_682574058483025_785367401486317947_n.jpg.html)
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(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz88/Stupidog007/10373837_671470636260034_19416103936346678_n.jpg) (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Stupidog007/media/10373837_671470636260034_19416103936346678_n.jpg.html)
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Where did you get that all metal shifter? Mine keeps melting
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Where did you get that all metal shifter? Mine keeps melting
TSR used to do them along with metal ball joint links
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The shifter is custom made by CFM Engineering in Reading, for exactly the same reason mine melted during the rolling road set-up.
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How much was it if you don't mind me asking? I'm on my 3rd one. Im not far from reading, live near farnborough.
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I'm not sure TBH as it has been done as part of the whole restoration, welding, respray, zero miles bombproof engine spec etc job......
Probally phone or email Mark at CFM and ask him, as you say though worth getting as a cheaper melted one is worth nothing.