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Title: Lead times
Post by: JRR1988 on 20 January 2021, 19:23
Hi,

I’m just wondering if anyone knows what VW’s lead times are like on the Golf Clubsport? I ordered mine on Monday and was told 12 weeks which I think is a standard answer but I was wondering if COVID or this global semiconductor shortage is going to make a difference.

Cheers,
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Kgti8 on 20 January 2021, 20:16
Standard GTi, ordered first week of December and estimated build week is currently week 14.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: evo1986 on 20 January 2021, 20:21
Hi,

I’m just wondering if anyone knows what VW’s lead times are like on the Golf Clubsport? I ordered mine on Monday and was told 12 weeks which I think is a standard answer but I was wondering if COVID or this global semiconductor shortage is going to make a difference.

Cheers,

Unfortunately the dealer you placed the order with hasn’t got a clue.......

GTI lead times- 30 weeks
GTD- 24 weeks
GTE- 24 weeks
GTI clubsport- 22 weeks
Golf R- 26 weeks

But this is from when you order is accepted by the factory which means should your retailer have any allocation it will get accepted. If not it will stay on there wait list until the do have allocation.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 20 January 2021, 20:31
Thirty weeks... From order acceptance... That's mid August. Seven months.

How many people walk away when they are told figures like that? I thought the five months I waited last time was nuts.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Guzzle on 20 January 2021, 20:41
Yeah that's hopeless really. Not sure I'd wait 7 months, anything can happen in that time.

I know there's a pandemic on at the moment, but it's still a poor show.  :sad:
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: evo1986 on 20 January 2021, 20:41
People have to weigh up perfect car spec scenario vs making compromises and accepting something in the pipeline.

Makes it impossible valuing there PX because who knows what the market might be like in 7 months time we know the used car market is great right now but it might be a different story later in the year.......

Does it turn people away yes some but not as many as you would think because once people have done the hundreds of hours of research online they are already mentally committed to getting the perfect car.

However once we tell them there car might drop £250-£300 a month in deprecation that’s £2000 less for there PX they soon consider literally anything including a more expensive car they can get sooner.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Guzzle on 20 January 2021, 20:49
I'd be more worried about my current car going out of warranty and breaking at a cost of £000's, than a bit of depreciation. Everyone knows the new car would depreciate faster than the old one.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 20 January 2021, 20:51
Yes it's more about the swap over timing for me every time. Guess it's different if you own the car or have other forms of transport in the meantime.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Wrex22 on 20 January 2021, 21:01
I ordered my R on 11th January  and was told 10-12 weeks. Others who have ordered at the same time have had confirmed build weeks of 6 or 7. However mine is still sitting at stage 1 “ Your order is being processed” ok the tracker and hasn’t  even been accepted by the factory yet! Find that quote worrying. Not looking good and I doubt it’ll arrive before July at the earliest.

The current lead time are absurd. If I don’t have a build date by next week it’ll getting cancelled.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: evo1986 on 20 January 2021, 21:08
I ordered my R on 11th January  and was told 10-12 weeks. Others who have ordered at the same time have had confirmed build weeks of 6 or 7. However mine is still sitting at stage 1 “ Your order is being processed” ok the tracker and hasn’t  even been accepted by the factory yet! Find that quote worrying. Not looking good and I doubt it’ll arrive before July at the earliest.

The current lead time are absurd. If I don’t have a build date by next week it’ll getting cancelled. I doubt the dealer will tell me the truth about a build date either as it was probably just to get a sale

Just out of interest did you order it with your local retailer or was it online over the phone with someone on carwow or drivethedeal etc?
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Wrex22 on 20 January 2021, 21:12
Hi,

I’m just wondering if anyone knows what VW’s lead times are like on the Golf Clubsport? I ordered mine on Monday and was told 12 weeks which I think is a standard answer but I was wondering if COVID or this global semiconductor shortage is going to make a difference.

Cheers,

Unfortunately the dealer you placed the order with hasn’t got a clue.......

GTI lead times- 30 weeks
GTD- 24 weeks
GTE- 24 weeks
GTI clubsport- 22 weeks
Golf R- 26 weeks

But this is from when you order is accepted by the factory which means should your retailer have any allocation it will get accepted. If not it will stay on there wait list until the do have allocation.

How long does it take to get accepted at the factory if the dealership has an allocation? Mine has been at stage 1 “Your order is being processed” on the tracker for a week. VW live chat told me it takes 7-10 days for it to be accepted. I have a feeling mine is going to be stuck at this stage for a long time unfortunately and I was misled
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Wrex22 on 20 January 2021, 21:14
I ordered my R on 11th January  and was told 10-12 weeks. Others who have ordered at the same time have had confirmed build weeks of 6 or 7. However mine is still sitting at stage 1 “ Your order is being processed” ok the tracker and hasn’t  even been accepted by the factory yet! Find that quote worrying. Not looking good and I doubt it’ll arrive before July at the earliest.

The current lead time are absurd. If I don’t have a build date by next week it’ll getting cancelled. I doubt the dealer will tell me the truth about a build date either as it was probably just to get a sale

Just out of interest did you order it with your local retailer or was it online over the phone with someone on carwow or drivethedeal etc?

A lease broker as it’s PCH. I’ve spoke to them today and told them others are being allocated build weeks already, they have come back and said they spoke to the dealership and they are still saying 10 weeks as per the original expectation.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Wrex22 on 20 January 2021, 21:16
Duplicate post
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Yusee on 20 January 2021, 21:18

However once we tell them there car might drop £250-£300 a month in deprecation that’s £2000 less for there PX they soon consider literally anything including a more expensive car they can get sooner.

Nice one! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: evo1986 on 20 January 2021, 21:30
These lease deal cars are from a completely separate pot and allocation that a retail order would come from.

Lots of brokers took and placed orders for cars that were not part of original limited batch that deal was meant for.

So there will be a lucky bunch and then a bunch of people lied to by there brokers to get the orders
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Wrex22 on 20 January 2021, 21:34
These lease deal cars are from a completely separate pot and allocation that a retail order would come from.

Lots of brokers took and placed orders for cars that were not part of original limited batch that deal was meant for.

So there will be a lucky bunch and then a bunch of people lied to by there brokers to get the orders

Apparently there 400 R’s available to order in the U.K. the finance is with VWFS. Also apparently orders of the R have been stopped as they’ve had too many. I don’t know how true any of this actually is. I was told the dealership have an allocated amount of cars each and this is where my lease is coming from.

Wish I’d gone direct with a VW dealership now. I have no idea which dealership the broker is dealing with. Not that it matters I guess
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: JRR1988 on 20 January 2021, 23:00
Hi,

I’m just wondering if anyone knows what VW’s lead times are like on the Golf Clubsport? I ordered mine on Monday and was told 12 weeks which I think is a standard answer but I was wondering if COVID or this global semiconductor shortage is going to make a difference.

Cheers,

Unfortunately the dealer you placed the order with hasn’t got a clue.......

GTI lead times- 30 weeks
GTD- 24 weeks
GTE- 24 weeks
GTI clubsport- 22 weeks
Golf R- 26 weeks

But this is from when you order is accepted by the factory which means should your retailer have any allocation it will get accepted. If not it will stay on there wait list until the do have allocation.

Thanks very much 👍. I’m not to bothered as it’s a company car but those lead times are ridiculous.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: SRGTD on 20 January 2021, 23:28
Thanks very much 👍. I’m not to bothered as it’s a company car but those lead times are ridiculous.

Unfortunately long lead times do seem to be the norm for a newly launched or recently launched performance VW if demand is high. When the mk7 GTI was launched, lead times of eight months or longer was fairly typical. When the current Polo GTI was launched, there was one member over on uk-polos.net forum who had a wait of over a year from time of ordering to taking delivery.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: JRR1988 on 20 January 2021, 23:34
Thanks very much 👍. I’m not to bothered as it’s a company car but those lead times are ridiculous.

Unfortunately long lead times do seem to be the norm for a newly launched or recently launched performance VW if demand is high. When the mk7 GTI was launched, lead times of eight months or longer was fairly typical. When the current Polo GTI was launched, there was one member over on uk-polos.net forum who had a wait of over a year from time of ordering to taking delivery.

Offt!!!
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Powerman80 on 21 January 2021, 08:00
Thanks very much 👍. I’m not to bothered as it’s a company car but those lead times are ridiculous.

Unfortunately long lead times do seem to be the norm for a newly launched or recently launched performance VW if demand is high. When the mk7 GTI was launched, lead times of eight months or longer was fairly typical. When the current Polo GTI was launched, there was one member over on uk-polos.net forum who had a wait of over a year from time of ordering to taking delivery.


Offt!!!

It's a global situation. A friend of mine went to Toyota to order a PHEV Rav 4, response was "maybe we will get a couple of them in 2021"
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: SRGTD on 21 January 2021, 11:50
There maybe global factors that are impacting lead times. However, historically, VW do seem to have long lead times compared to some other manufacturers.

I waited eight months for my mk6 Golf GTD (ordered Nov 2000, delivered July 2011) and it wasn’t a new model; I ordered it around two years after the GTD was launched. With my current car (Polo GTI+, which was also around two years into the model’s lifecycle when I ordered it) it was seven months from time of order to delivery, but probably would’ve arrived six weeks sooner if the factory hadn’t been closed because of the pandemic (salesperson indicated five months lead time when I ordered it).
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Wrex22 on 21 January 2021, 11:58
There maybe global factors that are impacting lead times. However, historically, VW do seem to have long lead times compared to some other manufacturers.

I waited eight months for my mk6 Golf GTD (ordered Nov 2000, delivered July 2011) and it wasn’t a new model; I ordered it around two years after the GTD was launched. With my current car (Polo GTI+, which was also around two years into the model’s lifecycle when I ordered it) it was seven months from time of order to delivery, but probably would’ve arrived six weeks sooner if the factory hadn’t been closed because of the pandemic (salesperson indicated five months lead time when I ordered it).

11 years is a long lead time  :wink:
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 21 January 2021, 12:06
I wonder how many VW's are sold from factory orders vs on hand stock and if this is significantly different to other marques?

Right now is a bit of an odd moment for Golfs in that both new models and a global pandemic means there are actually stock at dealers for a while. In the two previous attempts of buying Golfs everyone laughed when i asked if stock was a thing....

Obviously never having unsold stock in your yard is what you want, but VW do seem to take that to an extreme.

Conversely I never understand why, under normal circumstances, BMW can complete a factory order in a fraction of the time VAG do. Its almost like they think they don't need faster production, the customer can just bloody wait.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: SRGTD on 21 January 2021, 12:11
There maybe global factors that are impacting lead times. However, historically, VW do seem to have long lead times compared to some other manufacturers.

I waited eight months for my mk6 Golf GTD (ordered Nov 2000, delivered July 2011) and it wasn’t a new model; I ordered it around two years after the GTD was launched. With my current car (Polo GTI+, which was also around two years into the model’s lifecycle when I ordered it) it was seven months from time of order to delivery, but probably would’ve arrived six weeks sooner if the factory hadn’t been closed because of the pandemic (salesperson indicated five months lead time when I ordered it).

11 years is a long lead time  :wink:

Ha ha, yes it is. Typo. 2000 should be 2010.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: ar899 on 21 January 2021, 12:44
I wonder how many VW's are sold from factory orders vs on hand stock and if this is significantly different to other marques?

Right now is a bit of an odd moment for Golfs in that both new models and a global pandemic means there are actually stock at dealers for a while. In the two previous attempts of buying Golfs everyone laughed when i asked if stock was a thing....

Obviously never having unsold stock in your yard is what you want, but VW do seem to take that to an extreme.

Conversely I never understand why, under normal circumstances, BMW can complete a factory order in a fraction of the time VAG do. Its almost like they think they don't need faster production, the customer can just bloody wait.

A mate of mine built an aircraft quicker...... :whistle:
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Prospective on 21 January 2021, 20:12
Hi Order placed at Dealership 11/12/2020 - expected delivery 15/3/2021
checked vw site for My Cars
Current Status:-
1 Processing your order

2 With the factory

3 Build week confirmed
4 Build in progress
5 In transit
6 Arrived in the UK
7 Nearly there
Your order is with the factory
Golf 8 GTI Clubsport 2.0 TSI 300PS 7-speed DSG 5 Door
Order no.
Colour: Dolphin Grey Metallic
Upholstery: Soul-Black - Tornado Red/Soul-Black/Black/Soul-Black
[bYour order is with the factory and is currently being scheduled for production.[/b]
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 21 January 2021, 20:23
They plan production about four weeks ahead of the eventual production week, then typically it takes about another four weeks to arrive at the dealers, sometimes more.

So if they told you it was production planned, it would be at least nine weeks before you saw it.

Production planning is about both having a slot on the production line and all of the parts being on hand from all of the suppliers. Most of your car is made not by vw. Vw just assemble it.

Sometimes particular components needed for your build can be in short supply. Without seeing their erp system it's impossible to guess when all of the magic comes together.

My guess though, it will be later than the date you've got for delivery.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: JRR1988 on 26 January 2021, 11:52
Hi,

I’m just wondering if anyone knows what VW’s lead times are like on the Golf Clubsport? I ordered mine on Monday and was told 12 weeks which I think is a standard answer but I was wondering if COVID or this global semiconductor shortage is going to make a difference.

Cheers,


Update - I’ve just been told the end of June.
Unfortunately the dealer you placed the order with hasn’t got a clue.......

GTI lead times- 30 weeks
GTD- 24 weeks
GTE- 24 weeks
GTI clubsport- 22 weeks
Golf R- 26 weeks

But this is from when you order is accepted by the factory which means should your retailer have any allocation it will get accepted. If not it will stay on there wait list until the do have allocation.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Ubique on 03 February 2021, 14:58
So I’ve just had a call from my VW dealership, my new GTI was due to be built last week of January, delivered mid Feb. Apparently it hasn’t been built yet as the factory are having issues with social distancing on the production line! The sales guy said the good news is that as it’s delayed I will get the new 21 plate. 😂 Thanks VW for not having enough time to socially distance your staff over the last year.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Exonian on 03 February 2021, 15:03
21 or 71? They’ve not mentioned the semiconductors yet!  :whistle:
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 03 February 2021, 15:37
Yeah 71 plate more likely.

I just wish they'd be a little more honest - and I don't mean your dealer, i mean VW to the dealer.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Guzzle on 03 February 2021, 15:39
Either the salesman isn't being straight with you, or someone isn't being straight with the salesman.

VW have had almost a year to adapt to social distancing. As Exonian suggests, VW and lots of other manufacturers are experiencing major supply shortages with semiconductors. I'd expect that's the real reason your car is delayed.  :sad:
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Wrex22 on 03 February 2021, 16:30
They seem to be churning out the mk8 R. Quite a few that ordered a couple of weeks ago have got BWs of 6,7 or 8 already
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Exonian on 03 February 2021, 17:34
They seem to be churning out the mk8 R. Quite a few that ordered a couple of weeks ago have got BWs of 6,7 or 8 already

Were these broker ordered cars by any chance? They often seem to favour fleet department ordered broker cars for faster build slots.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: ar899 on 03 February 2021, 17:43
They seem to be churning out the mk8 R. Quite a few that ordered a couple of weeks ago have got BWs of 6,7 or 8 already

What dates are those?
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 03 February 2021, 18:05
Six is next week
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: ar899 on 03 February 2021, 18:06
Thanks Fred
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Prospective on 03 February 2021, 18:07
What I find odd is the vw GTi advert currently being
Run on tv?? Obviously lining customers up for Christmas delivery!!🤣
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Wrex22 on 04 February 2021, 00:48
They seem to be churning out the mk8 R. Quite a few that ordered a couple of weeks ago have got BWs of 6,7 or 8 already

What dates are those?

Next few weeks
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Wrex22 on 04 February 2021, 00:53
They seem to be churning out the mk8 R. Quite a few that ordered a couple of weeks ago have got BWs of 6,7 or 8 already

Were these broker ordered cars by any chance? They often seem to favour fleet department ordered broker cars for faster build slots.

Mainly PCH, yes.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Darlo on 04 February 2021, 09:08
I was one of the lucky ones who got bw6 on the R.

Ordered direct via inchcape VW on pch. However I know someone who ordered the very next day who has not been given a confirmed build week yet so has cancelled.

However I’ve been the position of waiting for months for a mk gti and Gtd for the wife. Can be very frustrating.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Ubique on 04 February 2021, 14:18
Does anyone know how to use the VW order tracking system? I have finally received my customer order number but Where the system says to enter the info it actually asks for the VIN not the order number. I’m just trying to get to the bottom of what’s actually happening to my now delayed GTI. Thanks.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 04 February 2021, 14:25
*I was wrong, ignore me!*

correct answer below
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: JRG4 on 04 February 2021, 14:28
Does anyone know how to use the VW order tracking system? I have finally received my customer order number but Where the system says to enter the info it actually asks for the VIN not the order number. I’m just trying to get to the bottom of what’s actually happening to my now delayed GTI. Thanks.

Use this link: https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners-and-drivers/my#/owners-and-drivers/my/cars/402849e7631b7dfb01635dedc14a090f

Scroll down and Click 'My VV' and sign in
Once signed in click 'my cars' at the top
Click add a car and then 'a car i ordered'
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 04 February 2021, 14:38
^^^Actually he's right.

I followed that and my order is in there.

Typical confusing identical looking VW systems!
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Ubique on 04 February 2021, 14:43

(https://i.postimg.cc/3rZHWTrs/4-D6887-E9-A877-4-EF8-A18-E-C39-BA9-D0254-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/t77cm8xk)

Thanks, I’ve managed to get into the system. It’s good to see that it thinks my car is being built, it’s a shame that it’s not.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 04 February 2021, 14:51
You don't get the stepped tracker?

Mine says "its with the dealer" but who knows what else it might say?
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Ubique on 04 February 2021, 14:59
Stepped tracker? It does say it’s at stage 4of7 build in progress. But that’s utter rubbish as the dealer confirmed it hasn’t even started the build due to various excuses. I did ask him this morning if he was aware of the semi-conductor shortages as well? He was surprised I knew about it and wouldn’t comment on that also delaying things.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 04 February 2021, 15:06
You used to see this:

(https://forum.whichmobilitycar.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/hm_bbpui/76916/lo52rgvjiio8dstgmqfgx36eysgkuia5.JPG)

Which is 7 steps.... step 4 is build in progress.... that usually means its got a planned production week and its right now.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Maximusbiggus on 09 February 2021, 18:31
I just got a call from my dealer today giving me a build date of week 18 so realistically it will arrive in June. I'll pick up on 1st of July so I get the new reg plate. It changes from 211 to 212 in July.

That's a 6 month wait as I ordered it the first week of January. Hard going but first world problems so I'll just grin and bare it.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Prospective on 09 February 2021, 19:17
Just checked the vw order tracker................... well my order is still with the factory, no build week
yet scheduled, (ordered 11th December) but it aint the car I ordered. What is going on?????
(it did list the car and interior colour last week, but it now just says clubsport)



Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 09 February 2021, 20:18
They seem to keep changing their websites every five seconds.

I wouldn't worry about it not showing the detail.

From "with the factory" to build week confirmed means they are waiting for both the parts availability and a build slot. Did you order any options at all?

You'll get build week confirmed four weeks before its built, so it's now a random wait.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Maximusbiggus on 09 February 2021, 23:29
They seem to keep changing their websites every five seconds.

I wouldn't worry about it not showing the detail.

From "with the factory" to build week confirmed means they are waiting for both the parts availability and a build slot. Did you order any options at all?

You'll get build week confirmed four weeks before its built, so it's now a random wait.

I'm build week 18 and were only at week 6 or so...
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 09 February 2021, 23:35
Oh yes, you said. That's only going to be a guess. They plan four weeks ahead... Nobody running just in time manufacturing is locking in production twelve weeks ahead.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Prospective on 10 February 2021, 09:55

From "with the factory" to build week confirmed means they are waiting for both the parts availability and a build slot. Did you order any options at all?


Yes, Adelaides, HUD, met Paint and DCC.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 10 February 2021, 11:44
Maybe one of those items has no on hand availability date yet but as I said before, you won't get a "build date confirmed" until 4 weeks before the planned build date.

And you won't get the planned build slot until every part is predictred as available and there is a slot on the production line.

This is how Just in Time (JIT) manufacturing works. Its a concept created by Toyota originally but one used since then by anyone doing manufacturing of anything - like my employer...
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Exonian on 10 February 2021, 15:46
Maybe one of those items has no on hand availability date yet but as I said before, you won't get a "build date confirmed" until 4 weeks before the planned build date.

And you won't get the planned build slot until every part is predictred as available and there is a slot on the production line.

This is how Just in Time (JIT) manufacturing works. Its a concept created by Toyota originally but one used since then by anyone doing manufacturing of anything - like my employer...

Volkswagen works more on a When We Get Round To It (WWGRTI) system which can be anything from a few weeks if you order through the fleet department to 12 months plus if you’re coughing up your own cash through retail.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 10 February 2021, 17:17
Build slot allocation or even accepting orders is going to be a commercial decision governed by all sorts of factors that are opaque to the actual purchaser.

Your dealer might understand a bit of the commercial process, but if they do, I'd doubt they will share that with you.

It will be effectively down to how much VW value the business of whoever you ordered it through. Not all franchised dealerships in all countries are equal... it depends on how much volume they generate. If you have ordered through VW in Nowheresville you will be right at the back of the queue vs vehicles ordered by Lex for leasing to business customers.

Its the same with all OEM's though.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Maximusbiggus on 10 February 2021, 22:29
Oh yes, you said. That's only going to be a guess. They plan four weeks ahead... Nobody running just in time manufacturing is locking in production twelve weeks ahead.

Oh right. I thought that was set in stone. Hopefully it's no longer than that...
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Prospective on 11 February 2021, 09:54
There's a little voice beginning to wisper in my hear............... M135i, M135i, M135i, M135i  its beginning to get louder as well :grin:
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 11 February 2021, 10:27
There's a little voice beginning to wisper in my hear............... M135i, M135i, M135i, M135i  its beginning to get louder as well :grin:

Well its a good car. Its roughly the same as a Mk8 R with an arguably better interior but slightly inferior technology - the Mk8 is cutting (bleeding?) edge.

Like the R though don't imagine it to be a Type-R, the 4wd hot hatches are a different proposition to FWD hot hatches, they are fast but not hard riding beasts.

Its a good fast daily driver, but maybe a bit heavy on fuel costs if you do a lot of miles.

I saw some lease deals on reasonably spec'ed M135i for £300 a month the other day. That's a lot of car for the money.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Darlo on 11 February 2021, 21:39
There's a little voice beginning to wisper in my hear............... M135i, M135i, M135i, M135i  its beginning to get louder as well :grin:

I would recommend driving one if you haven’t already. Incredibly dull driving experience. Interior was decent. Felt like I was getting in to a much better car to drive when I got back in my 7.5R. Also didn’t think it was a patch on the wife’s A35.

That being said I have got a mk8 R on order without a test drive  :grin:

However if you are still interested Arnold Clark have released some incredibly cheap 135/128ti lease deals. May have turned my head if I hadn’t already ordered the R.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Exonian on 12 February 2021, 06:05
There's a little voice beginning to wisper in my hear............... M135i, M135i, M135i, M135i  its beginning to get louder as well :grin:

Try one.
Everyone is different and wants different things from a car.
To me a Golf is home, it’s a familiar place, it does what it does well.

But I spent 5 months with an M135i and had planned to spend around 18 to 24 months with it.
I disagree with Darlo, I found it anything but dull to drive.
It has a very gutsy engine and in full Sport Mode it’s quite a brawny feeling car (as you’d expect a quick BMW to be).
In Normal it feels latently powerful and wafts along in a fairly mature way. It feels very solid, the interior feels a class above, the tech is slick and quick, there are touches you just don’t get on a Golf and it feels more like a £38k car (by modern pricing standards, I’d certainly not level good value for money at it or any of its rivals). It rides reasonably well, it absorbs bumps nicely, steers sharply and feels less 4wd and more FWD.
But shove it in Sport and it changes character, brutal would be too strong a word but it certainly feels like it means business from both engine and gearbox.
Fuel economy was notably better than my Golf R used to be, about on a par with my TCR. 

In Storm Bay or Misano they look really sharp too (although I quite like white personally).

Five months and I struggled to find anything to mark it down on. It does everything really well, feels very modern, looks very modern...

It wasn’t perfect, nothing is, but it’s certainly a very good package.

As a dyed in the wool Golf GTI driver I really admired the M135i but it wasn’t a car I could get an emotional attachment with. A fondness, lots of respect, lots of positivity, but something missing. Maybe it needed more time.

Grab one on a 24 month cheap lease and I very much doubt you’d regret it. 


At least it didn’t have multiple spurious electrical gremlins despite it also being an early build.
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Post by: fredgroves on 12 February 2021, 08:25
I'd agree with the above even though i only did a limited test drive.

I'd also say its a very different, better car than the 128ti. Which is quite odd if you are used to the not so different to each other performance golf range.

If covid hadn't happened I suspect I'd be driving a m135i now and not regretting it at all.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Si_Telford on 14 February 2021, 16:16
Picked up my GTI Dolphin Grey on Friday and first golf I have owned and I absolutely love it. Doesn't take long to get use to the system on screen but loving that burst of power. I'm one very happy owner
(https://i.postimg.cc/3wdk9fSf/C2837-A41-8436-47-BB-9-A19-A8605-DCF0-A23.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NyvGjDwR)
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 14 February 2021, 16:24
Nice!

Noticed any gremlins yet?
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Post by: Guzzle on 14 February 2021, 16:26
Picked up my GTI Dolphin Grey on Friday and first golf I have owned and I absolutely love it. Doesn't take long to get use to the system on screen but loving that burst of power. I'm one very happy owner
(https://i.postimg.cc/3wdk9fSf/C2837-A41-8436-47-BB-9-A19-A8605-DCF0-A23.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NyvGjDwR)

Looks very good, shame you are snowbound  :sad:

The more I see of the Richmond wheels, the more I think they do suit the car.  :wink:
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Post by: Si_Telford on 14 February 2021, 16:44
Nice!

Noticed any gremlins yet?

😂. Not as yet
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Post by: Si_Telford on 14 February 2021, 16:47
Picked up my GTI Dolphin Grey on Friday and first golf I have owned and I absolutely love it. Doesn't take long to get use to the system on screen but loving that burst of power. I'm one very happy owner
(https://i.postimg.cc/3wdk9fSf/C2837-A41-8436-47-BB-9-A19-A8605-DCF0-A23.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NyvGjDwR)

Looks very good, shame you are snowbound  :sad:

The more I see of the Richmond wheels, the more I think they do suit the car.  :wink:

I like it I'm pleased with it, roll on a bit better weather and I don't mind the wheels defo look better in flesh but loving the car, was driving a Passat GTE and didn't notice much difference between driving modes but defo different in this
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Post by: ar899 on 14 February 2021, 18:14
Any options?
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Post by: bjbanny on 14 February 2021, 19:13
Picked up my GTI Dolphin Grey on Friday and first golf I have owned and I absolutely love it. Doesn't take long to get use to the system on screen but loving that burst of power. I'm one very happy owner
(https://i.postimg.cc/3wdk9fSf/C2837-A41-8436-47-BB-9-A19-A8605-DCF0-A23.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NyvGjDwR)

Congratulations ans safe
Your car looks very nice
When my GTi arrives in March it will also be my first GTI and most powerful car I’ve owned
I think the 18“ Richmond actually looks good on the GTI. I saw a black GTI for the first time in life yesterday, I most admit it looks a lot better than any picture.
The 19” are obviously the best fit but I am please with the Richmond wheels
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Post by: Si_Telford on 14 February 2021, 20:15
Picked up my GTI Dolphin Grey on Friday and first golf I have owned and I absolutely love it. Doesn't take long to get use to the system on screen but loving that burst of power. I'm one very happy owner
(https://i.postimg.cc/3wdk9fSf/C2837-A41-8436-47-BB-9-A19-A8605-DCF0-A23.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NyvGjDwR)

Congratulations ans safe
Your car looks very nice
When my GTi arrives in March it will also be my first GTI and most powerful car I’ve owned
I think the 18“ Richmond actually looks good on the GTI. I saw a black GTI for the first time in life yesterday, I most admit it looks a lot better than any picture.
The 19” are obviously the best fit but I am please with the Richmond wheels

Thank you I am really pleased with it, had it out a bit today as the snow was disappearing on the main roads and think it's a fabulous drive, feel use to everything already even with the entertainment system. Lovely to drive and comfy. I defiantly think they look better in the flesh and had a few people say it looks nice and I actually quite like the standard wheels. Bet you can't wait till March 😊. 
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Post by: Ubique on 14 February 2021, 20:50
Looks great, exactly the same as the one I’m waiting for! I’m ringing my dealership to see what excuses they have for this week lol. Glad your happy with it and that the infotainment system isn’t as bad as they say.
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Post by: Ubique on 16 February 2021, 14:37
Finally got confirmation through from VW that my GTI has been built and is now sitting at Emden port waiting for a ship to take pity on it and bring it to the UK. No idea how long it will be then before it gets to me but at least it’s progress.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: JRR1988 on 19 March 2021, 23:27
Was now told 2 weeks ago that my car is delayed till September.

I’ve contacted the guy from Arnold Clark who’s dealing with our company cars and asked if I can change it to a 45 Edition with Winter Pack as long as the cost isn’t going to change and it isn’t going to delay things further.

You would think that they’re just being made on the same production slots as the CS’s so hopefully it won’t make a difference to lead time. However I’m not hopeful that the price will be the same.

The guy from Arnold Clark has contacted the VW part of the business and they’ve said that they have absolutely no information about the 45 Edition yet. I can see from the VW U.K. website that it’s still not on the configurator and there still no U.K. pricing. 
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: mcmaddy on 20 March 2021, 08:47
Article on Autocar Twitter feed saying chip delays will last well into the autumn!
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Post by: JRR1988 on 20 March 2021, 12:28
Article on Autocar Twitter feed saying chip delays will last well into the autumn!

Yeah I saw that. Thanks.
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Post by: Wrex22 on 20 March 2021, 12:40
I think there is just generally delays. As they try to get as many orders as they can and then when sod the customer has to wait 8 months  When I ordered my GTD in March 2018 I was told august delivery. It was white with 19 Brescia alloys!
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 20 March 2021, 16:04
Four to six months has always been vw lead times for factory orders... Nothing new there!
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Post by: SRGTD on 20 March 2021, 17:07
Four to six months has always been vw lead times for factory orders... Nothing new there!

No, nothing new. It’s not unusual for it to take longer then 4-6 months either; 8 months was fairly typical for the mk7 GTI just after the order books opened, and some early adopters waited longer.

I waited seven months for my current VW. The longest wait I had was for a mk6 GTD ; that took eight months back in 2011 for ordering to taking delivery.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Guzzle on 20 March 2021, 19:08
I feel lucky. Both my Golf's were factory orders and arrived in about 8 weeks.
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Post by: JoeGTI on 20 March 2021, 20:12
It’s never been that way in Ireland. Until now. I’ve ordered a few new ones over the years and all arrived within 10-12 weeks. Including a very early adopter MK7 GTI.

My dad ordered a Tiguan in November and he still hasn’t a build week nailed down. They keep pushing it out.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: JRR1988 on 21 March 2021, 22:20
My MK7.5 was factory ordered and took 3 months
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Rudedog on 23 March 2021, 07:58
I know it's been touched on before but some more news on the chip issue... not good.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56486242
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Post by: ar899 on 23 March 2021, 08:06
I know it's been touched on before but some more news on the chip issue... not good.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56486242

From what I have been reading about 'software issues' on the MK8, perhaps they should just build the cars and leave the chip out until such time that they know what they are doing with it and have solved the 'glitches'.......... :laugh:
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Post by: Exonian on 23 March 2021, 14:23
I know it's been touched on before but some more news on the chip issue... not good.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56486242

From what I have been reading about 'software issues' on the MK8, perhaps they should just build the cars and leave the chip out until such time that they know what they are doing with it and have solved the 'glitches'.......... :laugh:

 :grin: :grin: Good point!
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: monkeyhanger on 07 April 2021, 11:58
Just wondering how long cars are generally sitting at Emden these days?

Now we're temporarily a 1 car family, I really need VW to get their arses into gear and ship our incoming ID3.

It's been sat at Emden since 10th March, as an unallocated car (no-one ordered it, seemingly built as a stock car to grab (as I did), and deprioritised for shipping until it was claimed. My Grab officially happened o  29 Mar, so hopefully it's in a queue for a ship.

Just hoping to get some recent accurate timings from 5B, sat at Emden to 5C , on a ship, or 5B to 6, in England, but not at the dealership yet.

I have a few jobs to do such as reinstate our driveway as a driveway (our driveway is on the back of our house, in the street behind ours). Need to make and put some new gates up to maximise the driveway access width, then have strong words with our neighbours who habitually park across our drive (as we don't currently park a car on there I've been quite lenient, although they have been told plenty of times before).
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: rubberduck on 07 April 2021, 12:28
I originally ordered an Audi A3 in February, from the factory, the lead time on that went from 17 to 29 weeks - ended up switching for an in-stock Golf GTI, not waiting until the end of the year only to be told another German lockdown had delayed the car again. :grin:

I imagine lead times are roughly similar across the VAG group for most cars? Increasing quite a lot it seems.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: joet on 07 April 2021, 13:07
I ordered my Clubsport last week of Jan/first week of Feb. I was quoted 20 weeks as a worst case.

It's been at stage 2 - with the factory since then.

Today, to my surprise, I received a message that it's now at stage 5a - in transit:left factory. So I'm happy with that, although I'm not sure how much use the order tracker is if it just jumps stages randomly like that!
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Post by: rubberduck on 07 April 2021, 13:22
I ordered my Clubsport last week of Jan/first week of Feb. I was quoted 20 weeks as a worst case.

It's been at stage 2 - with the factory since then.

Today, to my surprise, I received a message that it's now at stage 5a - in transit:left factory. So I'm happy with that, although I'm not sure how much use the order tracker is if it just jumps stages randomly like that!

It's practically useless, my last Golf was sat in Germany when I ordered it, the tracker said it was on its way to the UK, but it was already at the dealership, having arrived in the UK 2 weeks prior.

The dealership told me the tracker is anything up to 4 weeks out of date, it's a waste of time, when I took delivery of the car it said "awaiting transport to dealership" - really?
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Post by: joet on 07 April 2021, 13:34
I ordered my Clubsport last week of Jan/first week of Feb. I was quoted 20 weeks as a worst case.

It's been at stage 2 - with the factory since then.

Today, to my surprise, I received a message that it's now at stage 5a - in transit:left factory. So I'm happy with that, although I'm not sure how much use the order tracker is if it just jumps stages randomly like that!

It's practically useless, my last Golf was sat in Germany when I ordered it, the tracker said it was on its way to the UK, but it was already at the dealership, having arrived in the UK 2 weeks prior.

The dealership told me the tracker is anything up to 4 weeks out of date, it's a waste of time, when I took delivery of the car it said "awaiting transport to dealership" - really?

Ahh - OK, thanks for that. It does sound pretty useless

I will just wait for my dealer to let me know when it's arrived and take it from there. It's good to know that at least it's on the way
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: JRG4 on 07 April 2021, 19:13
I ordered my Clubsport last week of Jan/first week of Feb. I was quoted 20 weeks as a worst case.

It's been at stage 2 - with the factory since then.

Today, to my surprise, I received a message that it's now at stage 5a - in transit:left factory. So I'm happy with that, although I'm not sure how much use the order tracker is if it just jumps stages randomly like that!


It's practically useless, my last Golf was sat in Germany when I ordered it, the tracker said it was on its way to the UK, but it was already at the dealership, having arrived in the UK 2 weeks prior.

The dealership told me the tracker is anything up to 4 weeks out of date, it's a waste of time, when I took delivery of the car it said "awaiting transport to dealership" - really?

Ahh - OK, thanks for that. It does sound pretty useless

I will just wait for my dealer to let me know when it's arrived and take it from there. It's good to know that at least it's on the way

Strange, our order times are pretty much identical and im still stuck on stage 2 with an unconfirmed build week of 44 :cry:
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: thronetm on 08 April 2021, 10:30
The tracker isn't great, but if you delete your car from the tracker and re-add it, you will get the latest update.

My car has been sat at Grimsby port since 25/03. Waiting on word when it'll be loaded on a lorry to be taken to dealership
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: ash_rage on 14 April 2021, 20:27
Ok ordered my car 3/4/2021, was told 16 weeks

Order is currently  stage 2 "With the factory"

Just read this post and now I am very worried. I reckon all my options may come back to haunt me...

GTI CS Pearl White

Harman/Kardon Sound System
19” Estoril Alloys
Dynamic Chassis Control
Rear View Camera
Digital Key
Front and Rear Dashcam

I sold my Tesla and I am using a runaround for now.

By the time is shows up I might have enough money for a 911 Turbo S after all!

What week are we in now just to put some of your comments above into context?
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Post by: fredgroves on 14 April 2021, 21:37
Today is in week 15.

Week 44 is 1st November...

Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: ash_rage on 16 April 2021, 09:16
Ok ordered my car 3/4/2021, was told 16 weeks

Order is currently  stage 2 "With the factory"

Just read this post and now I am very worried. I reckon all my options may come back to haunt me...

GTI CS Pearl White

Harman/Kardon Sound System
19” Estoril Alloys
Dynamic Chassis Control
Rear View Camera
Digital Key
Front and Rear Dashcam

I sold my Tesla and I am using a runaround for now.

By the time is shows up I might have enough money for a 911 Turbo S after all!

What week are we in now just to put some of your comments above into context?

Interesting development my side given it’s not even been two weeks since I ordered.

My car has a build of week 28 which is the week beginning July 12th.  I’m told the original week allocated to my build was week 38 but the issues appear to be resolved as its come forward 10 weeks. Wonder if others will start see movement on progress also now?
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Post by: Kenis on 17 April 2021, 00:34
I’ve started the process today with drive the deal, will update on here once I have a confirmed date from the dealer. The guy from DTD said to expect 20 weeks.

Ordering: CS, Dolphin, Estorils, HUD, HK, DCC, PA, Rear Camera, Winter Pack (front), Pan roof.

In the end after trying to pick and chose options to keep below the luxury car tax, had a moment of madness and decided you only live once and I’m buying it to enjoy it not because it’s cheap.
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Post by: Guzzle on 17 April 2021, 09:49
I’ve started the process today with drive the deal, will update on here once I have a confirmed date from the dealer. The guy from DTD said to expect 20 weeks.

Ordering: CS, Dolphin, Estorils, HUD, HK, DCC, PA, Rear Camera, Winter Pack (front), Pan roof.

In the end after trying to pick and chose options to keep below the luxury car tax, had a moment of madness and decided you only live once and I’m buying it to enjoy it not because it’s cheap.

That really is the best way to think of it.

Yeah it'll sting a bit each time the tax is due, but it's about £6 a week extra for having the car exactly how you wanted it.
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Post by: fredgroves on 17 April 2021, 11:48
Have to say if I was doing my order again I'd go the other way and ditch the options.... I don't feel like any of them enhance my experience much tbh.

Just my opinion but...
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Post by: Kenis on 17 April 2021, 21:55
Have to say if I was doing my order again I'd go the other way and ditch the options.... I don't feel like any of them enhance my experience much tbh.

Just my opinion but...

Understand, my current car is a high standard trim with no options and it’s fine, but two of those things are heated seats and reverse camera and both get a lot of use!

My prior car (mk6 gti) had dynaudio and I’ve missed decent sound (plus my four year old likes the music very loud) standard may have been ok but....

This will be our only car so felt dcc was a must (plus Nurburgring mode....). The HUD I just fancied (and my cousin and uncle BMW’s both have it and there’s still that little bit of rivalry at play).

I thought about swapping the Richmond’s myself later - read those cmwheels threads, waited to see what volkswizard did - but that would be a hassle and overall cost more than upgrading with Adelaide or Estoril and after seeing in the flesh preferred the latter.

The PA and Panroof are totally unnecessary but by that point I thought what the hell and the two or three times I’ll use PA (total) / open the roof a year i’ll get a bit of smile   
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Post by: fredgroves on 17 April 2021, 22:10
If there is one thing I'd avoid just because it's an actual nightmare (and not just a waste of money) it's the pan roof.

Recently the last of the mk7's all seem to have a problem with cracked surrounds and others have rattled and leaked.

Seriously, it's a risky choice.

Just some advice from forum experience...
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Post by: SRGTD on 18 April 2021, 01:51
If there is one thing I'd avoid just because it's an actual nightmare (and not just a waste of money) it's the pan roof.

Recently the last of the mk7's all seem to have a problem with cracked surrounds and others have rattled and leaked.

Seriously, it's a risky choice.

Just some advice from forum experience...

I wouldn’t have one either.

However, VW have changed the design of the sunroof in the mk8 - the problem areas of the sunroof surround on the mk7 / mk7.5 that are prone to cracking have been designed out.

The surround no longer extends up the sides of the tilting / sliding panel - it’s just a strip between the top edge of the windscreen and the front edge of the tilting / sliding panel with the wider tilting / sliding panel extending to the full width of the car’s roof. You can see the differences in the pictures below;

Mk8 sunroof where the ‘surround’ is just a strip;
(https://i.postimg.cc/sfGvc0qK/F373-CF8-D-359-B-433-C-AEC4-F9-AE9642-CA23.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Mk7 mk7.5 sunroof showing the surround extending up the sides of the tilting / sliding panel. X marks the spot where the surround has been known to crack;
(https://i.postimg.cc/J4gxFgzn/210-DE6-B0-453-D-4-D5-E-8473-DC249-E5-A1480.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Rattles and leaks may still be an issue with the mk8 sunroofs though, although this wasn’t an issue in all cases with the mk7 / mk7.5 version.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: theminty1 on 18 April 2021, 10:53
Give me a car with a sunroof. Much more airy feeling. Ust not a mk7. Poor showing with that one vw
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Sootchucker on 18 April 2021, 11:27
I’ve ordered pano roof on my new Tiguan. Hope I don’t regret it looking at horror stories on here

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51122300702_e89416ebc3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kTv9VC)
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Post by: theminty1 on 18 April 2021, 15:44
I’ve ordered pano room on my new Tiguan. Hope I don’t regret it looking at horror stories on here

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51122300702_e89416ebc3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kTv9VC)

Nice colour that if you have chosen it.
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Post by: Watts on 18 April 2021, 18:33
I’ve ordered pano roof on my new Tiguan. Hope I don’t regret it looking at horror stories on here

Despite the bother I've had with my sunroof, I'm really pleased with it. Possibly a different story if it needed a second repair :rolleyes: It is starting to creak a bit now so I do need to lubricate the seals.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Kgti8 on 19 April 2021, 00:36
Took delivery of mine last week. Had ordered 5th December so a relatively long wait.

Oryx White, Estorils, DCC, Pan roof, HK, Vienna Leather, Winter Pack and Rear camera. Delighted with it, it is fabulous to drive. Looking forward to sharing more thoughts on it as I go along.

(https://i.postimg.cc/CxVn81p3/1-E5903-B2-F386-4-EAE-A117-1-FF88-C9-F25-F4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6yYQJB3c)
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Post by: ash_rage on 19 April 2021, 07:09
Took delivery of mine last week. Had ordered 5th December so a relatively long wait.

Oryx White, Estorils, DCC, Pan roof, HK, Vienna Leather, Winter Pack and Rear camera. Delighted with it, it is fabulous to drive. Looking forward to sharing more thoughts on it as I go along.

(https://i.postimg.cc/CxVn81p3/1-E5903-B2-F386-4-EAE-A117-1-FF88-C9-F25-F4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6yYQJB3c)

Same colour and wheels as the CS I ordered! Looks absolutely fantastic! If you have posted more pics on Instagram let me know your username so I can stare at for 4 months!

Looks great
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Post by: thronetm on 19 April 2021, 09:01
Took delivery of mine last week. Had ordered 5th December so a relatively long wait.

Oryx White, Estorils, DCC, Pan roof, HK, Vienna Leather, Winter Pack and Rear camera. Delighted with it, it is fabulous to drive. Looking forward to sharing more thoughts on it as I go along.

(https://i.postimg.cc/CxVn81p3/1-E5903-B2-F386-4-EAE-A117-1-FF88-C9-F25-F4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6yYQJB3c)

Very nice! enjoy
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Post by: fredgroves on 19 April 2021, 09:11
Looks good!

I didn't think Estorils were available to order back then.

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Post by: rubberduck on 19 April 2021, 09:34
Took delivery of mine last week. Had ordered 5th December so a relatively long wait.

Oryx White, Estorils, DCC, Pan roof, HK, Vienna Leather, Winter Pack and Rear camera. Delighted with it, it is fabulous to drive. Looking forward to sharing more thoughts on it as I go along.

(https://i.postimg.cc/CxVn81p3/1-E5903-B2-F386-4-EAE-A117-1-FF88-C9-F25-F4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6yYQJB3c)

Looks brilliant, great choice! I notice in the wheel arches, there are black strips that overlap the paint - any idea what these are? They don't appear on everything GTI I've seen on Autotrader, so wondering if it's something that is meant to be removed during PDI?
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Post by: SRGTD on 19 April 2021, 09:50

Looks brilliant, great choice! I notice in the wheel arches, there are black strips that overlap the paint - any idea what these are? They don't appear on everything GTI I've seen on Autotrader, so wondering if it's something that is meant to be removed during PDI?

They’re called wheel arch spoilers.

They’re fitted to the mk8 Golf when it has 19” wheels, which are wider than the standard 18”. The optional 19” wheels are also fitted with 235 section tyres (225’s on the standard 18” wheels). Wider wheels and tyres mean that the wheels protrude outwards further than the standard 18” wheels, leaving the tyre tread exposed, so the solution is for manufacturers to fit wheel arch spoilers to cover the exposed tyre tread section.

It’s not just VW that fit them, I think it may be a legal requirement for all car manufacturers to fit them where certain wheel / tyre combinations result in exposed tyre tread that could cause injury.

Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 19 April 2021, 09:58
Yup, known as "winglets".

And yes its to stop the wheels projecting beyond the "bodywork" - a legal/MOT requirement.

Its like flaring the arches, only cheaper for VW  :laugh:

VW OEM 19's are 8.5J.... I guess no offset could make them work, so they have to stick out.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: JoeGTI on 19 April 2021, 11:18
Looks good!

I didn't think Estorils were available to order back then.

Its an Irish car, they've always been available here.

Lovely car!
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 19 April 2021, 12:27
Ahhhhh Ireland. I see!
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Kgti8 on 19 April 2021, 13:31
Thanks very much for the comments! Yes delighted with it.

Yes I’m sure the Estorils were available for order here back as far as last September. Was in two minds between the them and the black ones but the black blends in with the tyre too much I think.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: JoeGTI on 19 April 2021, 13:33
Thanks very much for the comments! Yes delighted with it.

Yes I’m sure the Estorils were available for order here back as far as last September. Was in two minds between the them and the black ones but the black blends in with the tyre too much I think.

Think you made the right choice! The car looks fantastic.

I assume you got caught out a bit with the VRT on it, with the 19's?
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Kgti8 on 19 April 2021, 15:16
I did, but at least I can’t have regrets spec wise. Plus at the rate their holding value I think the right spec on these makes a good investment.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: rubberduck on 19 April 2021, 16:49

Looks brilliant, great choice! I notice in the wheel arches, there are black strips that overlap the paint - any idea what these are? They don't appear on everything GTI I've seen on Autotrader, so wondering if it's something that is meant to be removed during PDI?

They’re called wheel arch spoilers.

They’re fitted to the mk8 Golf when it has 19” wheels, which are wider than the standard 18”. The optional 19” wheels are also fitted with 235 section tyres (225’s on the standard 18” wheels). Wider wheels and tyres mean that the wheels protrude outwards further than the standard 18” wheels, leaving the tyre tread exposed, so the solution is for manufacturers to fit wheel arch spoilers to cover the exposed tyre tread section.

It’s not just VW that fit them, I think it may be a legal requirement for all car manufacturers to fit them where certain wheel / tyre combinations result in exposed tyre tread that could cause injury.

Thanks, that'd explain why not every car has them then!
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Maximusbiggus on 22 April 2021, 21:15
So I've just been told my Clubsport is in production now which is earlier than the quoted week 17.

I ordered the first week in January and was originally given a 12 week delivery timeframe.

Can't wait now, hopefully it's here by July!!

My spec again is Clubsport in Moonstone with black Estorils, HK sounds, winter pack and reverse camera.  :cool:
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Kenis on 22 April 2021, 22:50
Mine has in theory officially been ordered today, however but worried myvw showing my order as a pure white car and not dolphin - which I’m going to assume is a glitch/they all start like that........
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Brocky_ on 23 April 2021, 00:44
Saw my first R today but still not seen another ClubSport yet - though, I expect it won't be too long now, seeing that folks' factory orders are beginning to be fulfilled.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: monkeyhanger on 23 April 2021, 06:25
For anyone wondering why their long built car hasn't moved from Emden in a very long time (My ID3 has been sat at Emden since 9th March, my salesperson send me an official BS bulletin from the VW ministry of porky pies:-

April shipping from Emden
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We are currently working through backlog of cars that are due to be shipped from Emden.

There is a small volume of required units that have been dwelling at status code 38 for longer than the anticipated SLA. This is partly because of UK port capacity and new customs regulations following Brexit, which is causing some delays.

Be assured that cars that have been called off and have been dwelling at status code 38 the longest are being prioritised for shipping, as well as anything that was in Emden and called off by the shipping deadline for April delivery.

This is being managed centrally by logistics and Emden – please do not contact the sales and generalist team or your area sales manager on this topic.

 

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Rhona Calder, Supply Development Manager


That's bollocks. The UK ports have car specific compounds which are pretty empty due to car sales being well.down, due to COVID. For those cars making it here, they're getting to the dealerships pretty quickly so they can get their payments. VAT duties are straightforward since Brexit too, all sorted before they even leave Germany. The real reason could be fewer ships or a COVID backlog at the German end - not sure why they wouldn't admit to that.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 23 April 2021, 09:06
It doesn't sound very plausible to me.

There is something else but they don't want to admit it.... quite what I don't really know.

The car transporters used to be the same ones all day, every day, back and forward.

I suspect that with VW having blown them off during covid, the shipping line have downsized or even gone bust and VW don't have the lift capability they did previously.

A lot of my suppliers at work are like this - with no end in sight they had to make some harsh decisions that are taking a lot of time to put back now demand is ramping back up.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: monkeyhanger on 25 April 2021, 15:45
It doesn't sound very plausible to me.

There is something else but they don't want to admit it.... quite what I don't really know.

The car transporters used to be the same ones all day, every day, back and forward.

I suspect that with VW having blown them off during covid, the shipping line have downsized or even gone bust and VW don't have the lift capability they did previously.

A lot of my suppliers at work are like this - with no end in sight they had to make some harsh decisions that are taking a lot of time to put back now demand is ramping back up.

There are 6 ID3 in the EV forum I frequent now that have got on a UK bound ship in the last week, 2 weeks after being built. VW UK updated my dealer on Friday that planned delivery by the end of April can't happen now...No sh!t Sherlock!

So instead of operating a FIFO system at the docks, it seems that VW's tactic is to ship the newer ones out to annoy the fewest amount of customers possible (those late already are already annoyed, we can annoy them a bit more whilst not annoying any other customers with a newer car).
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 25 April 2021, 15:57
There's a sort of twisted logic to that...
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: mcmaddy on 26 April 2021, 11:06
Same happened with my TCR. It must have been parked at the far end of the dock car park as plenty of earlier builds were coming through well before mine.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: monkeyhanger on 26 April 2021, 12:36

Same happened with my TCR. It must have been parked at the far end of the dock car park as plenty of earlier builds were coming through well before mine.

Chris - Maybe they have us on file for chronic askers of the question..."where's me feckin' car?". Or they think "he's had 11 VWs before and he's still buying, he'll wait and still buy another VW".
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: mcmaddy on 26 April 2021, 21:35

Same happened with my TCR. It must have been parked at the far end of the dock car park as plenty of earlier builds were coming through well before mine.

Chris - Maybe they have us on file for chronic askers of the question..."where's me feckin' car?". Or they think "he's had 11 VWs before and he's still buying, he'll wait and still buy another VW".
😂😂
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: monkeyhanger on 27 April 2021, 10:46
As if by magic (or VW are tapping my Internet feed), I got my 5C notification this morning. The car should be in Grimsby by teatime.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 27 April 2021, 11:34
As if by magic (or VW are tapping my Internet feed), I got my 5C notification this morning. The car should be in Grimsby by teatime.

I'll wave to it as it drives by  :cool:
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: mcmaddy on 27 April 2021, 19:44
As if by magic (or VW are tapping my Internet feed), I got my 5C notification this morning. The car should be in Grimsby by teatime.
are you getting it from a dealer down that way Matt?
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: monkeyhanger on 27 April 2021, 21:53
As if by magic (or VW are tapping my Internet feed), I got my 5C notification this morning. The car should be in Grimsby by teatime.
are you getting it from a dealer down that way Matt?

Much further than that...

Got the 2 Polo GTIs from Listers Nuneaton (they marginally beat the DTD price for me). Rang Nuneaton and got patched through to Listers Evesham (far south west of the midlands). Did the deal (about £450 less than DTD) and realised I have an extra 50 miles to travel (Nuneaton 190 miles away, Evesham 240 miles). The Polo's got delivered on a flatbed, but they stopped that, presumably they got stung a few times on distance selling regs (in the Polo contracts of sale, I could've legitimately driven the car for 13 days and decided I didn't want it on day q4 with no penalty). Doesn't apply if you collect, so now they make you collect.

Official range is 263 miles on a full charge. If they give me it with 100%, realistic range is 240 miles in moderately warm weather, so could be dicey to go all the way - will probably stop in Billingham to top up.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: monkeyhanger on 28 April 2021, 10:38
And it's off the ship with a Stage 6 update.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 28 April 2021, 12:03
Official range is 263 miles on a full charge. If they give me it with 100%, realistic range is 240 miles in moderately warm weather, so could be dicey to go all the way - will probably stop in Billingham to top up.

Your first charging nightmare.... let us know how that plays out  :whistle:
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: monkeyhanger on 28 April 2021, 13:45
Official range is 263 miles on a full charge. If they give me it with 100%, realistic range is 240 miles in moderately warm weather, so could be dicey to go all the way - will probably stop in Billingham to top up.

Your first charging nightmare.... let us know how that plays out  :whistle:

Hopefully the only one I will do away from home for a while. There's a set at the industrial park I work at, which is about half a mile from the charging points I'd picked on the A19, 30 miles from home. I'll see that they're working and how much they are to charge (used to be free, nabbed still are).
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: king monkey on 30 April 2021, 22:09
Dealer I know has just ordered a CS45 demo. BW 44 confirmed. Jeeeeeeeeeez.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: monkeyhanger on 01 May 2021, 09:11
Dealer I know has just ordered a CS45 demo. BW 44 confirmed. Jeeeeeeeeeez.

By the time that arrives, it'll be a CS46.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: king monkey on 01 May 2021, 12:29
Dealer I know has just ordered a CS45 demo. BW 44 confirmed. Jeeeeeeeeeez.

By the time that arrives, it'll be a CS46.

Very true! I was wondering if that would effectively mean there’s only a 3 month window? Or it’s if you order in 2021. Dealer wasn’t sure tbh.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: monkeyhanger on 01 May 2021, 12:34
Dealer I know has just ordered a CS45 demo. BW 44 confirmed. Jeeeeeeeeeez.

By the time that arrives, it'll be a CS46.

Very true! I was wondering if that would effectively mean there’s only a 3 month window? Or it’s if you order in 2021. Dealer wasn’t sure tbh.

Sometimes those build weeks shuffle forward as time goes on. If that's fully locked in for BW44, then it would seem to me that they won't build any much before then.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 01 May 2021, 20:55
Perfect, that will be my22.. Just in time to get the speed restrictor.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Kenis on 01 May 2021, 23:30
Post deleted - answered my own question. (Was annoying my vw related)
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: monkeyhanger on 05 May 2021, 21:31
I'm picking my ID3 up on Saturday. For the purposes of 'lead times indications, it was exactly a week between my car arriving in the UK (Stage 6) and arriving at the dealership group (stage 7).

So I have a 240 mile trek on the train from Newcastle to Evesham to pick it up. I'd like to get there as early as possible to get on with my 4 hour drive home as early as possible but unfortunately they won't deal with me until 4pm as they usually don't allow pick-up  of new cars at the weekend when it's prime selling time (snaring new customers). Not quite the result I was hoping for, but they already have the promise of my money.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 05 May 2021, 21:49
At least the evenings are drawing out, most of it will be in the daylight...
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: monkeyhanger on 05 May 2021, 21:58
At least the evenings are drawing out, most of it will be in the daylight...

Yes, but I was hoping to be able to collect on my terms within their operating hours as a paying customer who's got a long journey ahead of them. Suppose it's the price you pay for them beating the DTD price by £450.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: ar899 on 06 May 2021, 09:24
Lets hope you have a following wind  :grin:
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Rudedog on 06 May 2021, 09:28
And that they have it fully charged it up!

The 240 mile trip home must be right at it's range limit?
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 06 May 2021, 09:42
Yes, but I was hoping to be able to collect on my terms within their operating hours as a paying customer who's got a long journey ahead of them. Suppose it's the price you pay for them beating the DTD price by £450.

Pay peanuts, get monkeys... I guess you know how to handle that though  :laugh:
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: ar899 on 06 May 2021, 10:11
Been thinking (dangerous, some would say...). Back in the day, there were a few episodes on TG along the lines of 'how far can we get on a tank of diesel/petrol' etc. Invariably, said vehicle went further than the theoretical range and the 'boys' were generally amazed.

From the limited amount of reading I have done on EVs, it seems that to get anywhere near the theoretical range, many factors have to be aligned, otherwise you won't - in some cases, nowhere near.

Just a random thought, really  :whistle:
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: fredgroves on 06 May 2021, 10:24
WLTP is a pretty realistic test though, it should be possible to achieve WLTP range figures.... but like the numbers for ICE vehicles, there still are a lot of factors that can drag it down.... vehicle load (passengers, your fat arse, crap in the boot), temperature, traffic and gradients over the route being just some of them.

The main difference of course between ICE and BEV is that finding a petrol station is relatively easy and quick.... a BEV charging stop is tricky to find, you have to hope that it works when you get there, that someone else isn't using it and even if you have one of the latest 800v charge capable vehicles, the charger you find might only be an old skool 100w charger that takes 24 hours to give you a full charge...

It will get better of course, but we are a long way off nirvana yet even in the UK, let alone trying to drive across Europe.

For now, I'd suggest the main use of BEV is as a local run-around with home charging - and for most people this is probably good enough.... but not mile munchers and not anyone without a driveway... The social divide aspect I find most worrying for the next few years, especially as we can expect aggressive taxation on ICE to force people to give it up.
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: Wrex22 on 06 May 2021, 15:40
Seen quite a few people on the golf mk8 page on Facebook saying they’ve been told vw have paused the production of the mk8 because of all the faults and the number it rejected cars they’re getting
Title: Re: Lead times
Post by: monkeyhanger on 08 May 2021, 08:30
My odyssey to Listers Evesham begins and 80% of the trains at Newcastle Station are cancelled. Seems everything going towards London past York is funked. Luckily for me, my Newcastle to Birmingham and Birmingham to Worcester trains are OK. My Worcester to Evesham train is cancelled, but a 35 min bus trip can replace that. So glad I don't commute on the train!