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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Golf mk6 GTD/TDI => Topic started by: branchespark on 28 February 2011, 12:09
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Hi folks,
Just been asking a specialist on having my GTD remapped and he said that all 170 BHP VAG cars have a DP filter and this means they cannot be modded.
Does anyone here have a modded GTD?! It may be that Revo don't do it, but other cheaper and less fanciful systems do? Don't want to endanger my engine.
Cheers.
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Not true matey, I've mapped mine for starters :tongue:
Here's my dyno graph:
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3094/gtddsg.gif)
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Modded by who / with what?
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modded by me with this: http://www.cmdtec.it/prod_bootMEDC17.asp
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can you help me? :smiley:
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Yes sir, although I don't like pimping my services on here :embarassed:
Was more of a oh yes you can
You'll easy see 200 BHP and 420 Nm of torque :wink:
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Be aware your ECU will need to come out, which may invailidate your warrenty?? Doc is the man :cool:
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Be aware your ECU will need to come out, which may invailidate your warrenty?? Doc is the man :cool:
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Me too I had mine revo'd turned a good car into a perfect car
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Be aware your ECU will need to come out, which may invailidate your warrenty?? Doc is the man :cool:
If you have a 2009 GTD you may be able to have it flashed from the OBD port. If you know your ECU number i could find out for you.
The 170PD engines had problem with Particulate Filter the 170CR engine is fine to be tuned.
Mine is Revo'd and it is awesome.
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Be aware your ECU will need to come out, which may invailidate your warrenty?? Doc is the man :cool:
If you have a 2009 GTD you may be able to have it flashed from the OBD port. If you know your ECU number i could find out for you.
The 170PD engines had problem with Particulate Filter the 170CR engine is fine to be tuned.
Mine is Revo'd and it is awesome.
My understanding is that all GTD's ECU needs to come out , could be wrong though :undecided:
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Mine didn't steve just plug in through the port
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Be aware your ECU will need to come out, which may invailidate your warrenty?? Doc is the man :cool:
If you have a 2009 GTD you may be able to have it flashed from the OBD port. If you know your ECU number i could find out for you.
The 170PD engines had problem with Particulate Filter the 170CR engine is fine to be tuned.
Mine is Revo'd and it is awesome.
My understanding is that all GTD's ECU needs to come out , could be wrong though :undecided:
Steve
Mine is a 03L 906 022 LC ECU and i did mine through the port.
I do believe it is the early cars only.
Thanks
Ian
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So can i get a map done through the OBD yet , as one been developed? :undecided:
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So can i get a map done through the OBD yet , as one been developed? :undecided:
I dont know anyone doing 2010 GTD's through the port yet :sad:
Well worth doing though. I still get 530-550 miles per tank :grin:
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Steve it's not the map that's the problem it's that most of the MK6 golfs require the ecu to be removed and programmed off board as you stated earlier.
The ones that can be done via OBD are the earlier versions of the ecu that are few and far between :sad:
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Hi Doc, How would one go about finding out what ECU one has?? I just got myself a 09 plate GTD 170 DSG, first ever VW and curious to all this and the potential to remap
cheers
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Easiest way is I'll send some kit down to Steve and he can plug into your car and his own to see if they can be done via OBD.
Or you can pull the ecu out and send me the hardware code - not quite so easy :sad:
I'll do a "how to" on the ecu out bit in the next few days :wink:
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Easiest way is I'll send some kit down to Steve and he can plug into your car and his own to see if they can be done via OBD.
Or you can pull the ecu out and send me the hardware code - not quite so easy :sad:
I'll do a "how to" on the ecu out bit in the next few days :wink:
Doc mine is definetly Scrambled , ive checked it mate :cool:
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Easiest way is I'll send some kit down to Steve and he can plug into your car and his own to see if they can be done via OBD.
Or you can pull the ecu out and send me the hardware code - not quite so easy :sad:
I'll do a "how to" on the ecu out bit in the next few days :wink:
Doc mine is definetly Scrambled , ive checked it mate :cool:
Sorry mate, I forgot you had a fully automatic egg scrabler :grin:
As we've all said sadly most are scrambled and an OBD flash protocol is looking less and less likely by the day.
However, I've heard this all before with earlier EDC ecu's that were cracked so you never know :wink:
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Yea superchips checked mine out last year , well pi*ssed when I found out :angry:
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It's not the end of the world :wink:
I'm working on a possible shortcut for re-flashing to standard /mapped once it's been remapped :wink:
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So the chances of mine March 09 TDI needing the ECU out?
Revo quoted £485 all in, if I didn't need to be done, this would be less, but it's just finding out I guess :(
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So the chances of mine March 09 TDI needing the ECU out?
Revo quoted £485 all in, if I didn't need to be done, this would be less, but it's just finding out I guess :(
I'm 90% sure you could do yours via OBD :smiley:
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Don't give me ideas!!! :( Damn you! :P
If I pop to my local dealer, will they be able to tell me there and then?
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Yup, they sure would :wink:
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It's not the end of the world :wink:
I'm working on a possible shortcut for re-flashing to standard /mapped once it's been remapped :wink:
Yes that sounds good Doc , give us shout when its sorted :cool:
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It's not the end of the world :wink:
I'm working on a possible shortcut for re-flashing to standard /mapped once it's been remapped :wink:
Yes that sounds good Doc , give us shout when its sorted :cool:
I'm doing a fair amount of r&d surrounding this product hence it's taking a while :wink:
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Can I just ask guys.....
...after the ECU re-maps and whatever else for additional BHP & torque, did the total cost still end up cheaper than that of a GTi.....?
I'm not being sarcastic, but asking a serious question chaps !
Thanks
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Can I just ask guys.....
...after the ECU re-maps and whatever else for additional BHP & torque, did the total cost still end up cheaper than that of a GTi.....?
I'm not being sarcastic, but asking a serious question chaps !
Thanks
I certainly didn't buy a GTD cos it was cheaper than a GTI! I bought it cos I get over 50mpg and doing 1200 miles a month mostly on A roads it makes perfect sense.
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Can I just ask guys.....
...after the ECU re-maps and whatever else for additional BHP & torque, did the total cost still end up cheaper than that of a GTi.....?
I'm not being sarcastic, but asking a serious question chaps !
Thanks
I bought mine because fuel cost's , i was paying £280 a month for the ED30, half the cost now :smug:
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Can I just ask guys.....
...after the ECU re-maps and whatever else for additional BHP & torque, did the total cost still end up cheaper than that of a GTi.....?
I'm not being sarcastic, but asking a serious question chaps !
Thanks
Yes, but mine cost a fair few quid more than a standard GTI anyhow.
You'll find most of the GTD owners, like GTI owners only wanted that version and were not interested in the opposite :wink:
I bought a GTD because it is the top spec diesel golf, if they only made a GT TDI I'd have bought that or if they made an R TDI I'd have bought that :wink:
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I would have bought a twin turbo diesel if they made it , wishfull thinking that's the next motor :smug:
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R&D nearly Finished on this, should be ready for release first week in April, will do a full write up with dyno graphs etc
Of course we can supply a generic style good quality map but it's always best to have a fully r&d'd, bespoke product :wink:
Really really struggling to do this any other way than by removing the ecu :sad:
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Hiya,
first time i've posted since getting my mk3 golf written off...
so after a very long and boring story. last year I specced a GTD for my wife as a her company car... pretty lucky as we get a new car every 3 years and can spec anything we want within a certain budget and it has to be a 5 door.
Now my question is, if i were to REVO the GTD, would I then be able to remove and possibly switch to another GTD? (I cant see why we would spec anything else now) or would there be ECU conflicts and the such?
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Hiya,
first time i've posted since getting my mk3 golf written off...
so after a very long and boring story. last year I specced a GTD for my wife as a her company car... pretty lucky as we get a new car every 3 years and can spec anything we want within a certain budget and it has to be a 5 door.
Now my question is, if i were to REVO the GTD, would I then be able to remove and possibly switch to another GTD? (I cant see why we would spec anything else now) or would there be ECU conflicts and the such?
Welcome back. :smiley:
No you can't transfer REVO between vehicles. It is encrypted into the ECU and switched between programs via a switching device bought seperately (unless you get it thrown in as part of a deal like I did).
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Plus if it's new you can't use a REVO on it anyhow.
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Plus if it's new you can't use a REVO on it anyhow.
:grin: Yep, if it's new you'd need a Doc map
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Plus if it's new you can't use a REVO on it anyhow.
It's a 59 plate, had it since last feb. would it work? Sorry for the stupid questions... I have no idea?
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Plus if it's new you can't use a REVO on it anyhow.
It's a 59 plate, had it since last feb. would it work? Sorry for the stupid questions... I have no idea?
Thats because while its under the 3 year VW warranty any chipped ecu's are logged in the ecu so if you went back with a warranty problem they can check if its been chipped and void the warranty.
You would be better of getting a plugin chip box which you can unplug when it goes to the dealer and it doesn't change the vehicle ecu. Have a read at DTUK (http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/systems_available.php?id=2206) and select your model and engine. :wink:
Update: Service Dept.'s tagging modified cars. VWoA (http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7188)
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You would be better of getting a plugin chip box which you can unplug when it goes to the dealer and it doesn't change the vehicle ecu. Have a read at DTUK (http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/systems_available.php?id=2206) and select your model and engine. :wink:
Update: Service Dept.'s tagging modified cars. VWoA (http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7188)
Interesting, I grew up knowing Mr DTUK as he use to live next to my garage/workshop but not spoke to him for years, I have no idea how good or bad his products are or what his knowledge is like on car tunning but he is a genuine bloke into his new cars.
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Thats because while its under the 3 year VW warranty any chipped ecu's are logged in the ecu so if you went back with a warranty problem they can check if its been chipped and void the warranty.
You would be better of getting a plugin chip box which you can unplug when it goes to the dealer and it doesn't change the vehicle ecu. Have a read at DTUK (http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/systems_available.php?id=2206) and select your model and engine. :wink:
Update: Service Dept.'s tagging modified cars. VWoA (http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7188)
Thank you kindly! So I think as it's a company car I can pretty much say goodbye to that idea... It's still quick enough for me! Dread to think of tyre bills with even more torque.. Heh
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No problem guys I only say what I read though you can't always believe everything you read. DTUK mustant be the only company that do plugin boxes Google it as they aren't cheap.
REVO has a dealer only 5 miles away from me and at 199PS for £350.10 or 210PS for the stage 2 at £395.10 its worth considering in the future. I'm wondering if you would notice 11PS for another £45? Though the price doesn't bother me its the reliability.
Now I've also read that the GTD will chip alot more power but the clutch and transmission won't take it. First they need to get rid of is the DMF thats more trouble than its worth.
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No problem guys I only say what I read though you can't always believe everything you read.
A. How many people on here have had their warranty voided?
I'll guess at none as you can't just void a warranty in the EU - see below
B. How many people on here have had a plug in box on a late model ECU ie EDC17 that's been dyno'd to prove quoted figures.....
I'll guess none as the latest EDC works out for itself that a box as been fitted and reduces power output, I'm happy to prove this on my Dyno :wink:
C. DMF…..(dual mass flywheel)
DMF not a problem if torque limiter is modified correctly........ in fact, ALL DSG cars have additional torque limiter in TCU which won't allow too much torque no matter what u do with mapping in ECU ;-)
A good custom map can produce more power at the top end of the rpm range but without increasing peak torque (too much peak torque is what will kill a DMF)
In the main this is based my own experience not what I've read except the EU warranty bit as I've read up on that extensively due to my day job :wink:
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Using a remapping solution, I got the 0-60 from 8.5 secs down to 7.4 secs (average using racelogic timing gear) and 167 bhp to 205 bhp (average using Dyno Dynamics rolling road) in standard form by the way :wink:
Ecu has to be removed on most GTD's so no issues with the car "knowing" it's been done and no flash counters to erase, if done carefully you can't tell the ecu has been apart either, until you drive it that is :wink:
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Well I would say the DTUK (http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-volkswagen-vw_golf-vi_2.0-tdi-170-ps-cr) do the plugin box for the 170PS. The advantage of the plugin box is it can't be detected by the ecu there if its going into the dealers for warranty work you just unplug it. They do a Stage 2 (http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-volkswagen-vw_golf-vi_2.0-tdi-170-ps-cr-stage-2) as well.
Revo (http://www.revotechnik.com/index.php?mod=volkswagen) do it but that rewrites the ecu chips which is detectable.
A. How many people on here have had their warranty voided?
Service Dept.'s tagging modified cars. VWoA (http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7188)
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Well I would say the DTUK (http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-volkswagen-vw_golf-vi_2.0-tdi-170-ps-cr) do the plugin box for the 170PS. The advantage of the plugin box is it can't be detected by the ecu there if its going into the dealers for warranty work you just unplug it. They do a Stage 2 (http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-volkswagen-vw_golf-vi_2.0-tdi-170-ps-cr-stage-2) as well.
Revo (http://www.revotechnik.com/index.php?mod=volkswagen) do it but that rewrites the ecu chips which is detectable.
A. How many people on here have had their warranty voided?
Service Dept.'s tagging modified cars. VWoA (http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7188)
That's the USA.....
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Can mine be done via OBD? Just wondering
GTD April 2010.
Address 01: Engine (CBB) Labels: 03L-906-022-CBA.clb
Part No SW: 03L 906 022 LC HW: 03L 906 022 G
Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000SG 6655
Revision: 13H03--- Serial number:
Coding: 0001072
Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
VCID: 71E32E9411D5
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Can mine be done via OBD? Just wondering
GTD April 2010.
Address 01: Engine (CBB) Labels: 03L-906-022-CBA.clb
Part No SW: 03L 906 022 LC HW: 03L 906 022 G
Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000SG 6655
Revision: 13H03--- Serial number:
Coding: 0001072
Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
VCID: 71E32E9411D5
This is an educated guess - no :sad:
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Can mine be done via OBD? Just wondering
GTD April 2010.
Address 01: Engine (CBB) Labels: 03L-906-022-CBA.clb
Part No SW: 03L 906 022 LC HW: 03L 906 022 G
Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000SG 6655
Revision: 13H03--- Serial number:
Coding: 0001072
Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
VCID: 71E32E9411D5
This is an educated guess - no :sad:
Bummer
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Can mine be done via OBD? Just wondering
GTD April 2010.
Address 01: Engine (CBB) Labels: 03L-906-022-CBA.clb
Part No SW: 03L 906 022 LC HW: 03L 906 022 G
Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000SG 6655
Revision: 13H03--- Serial number:
Coding: 0001072
Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
VCID: 71E32E9411D5
This is an educated guess - no :sad:
Bummer
It's not the end Of the world - come over and drIve our demo :wink:
We have special deals for forum members :rolleyes:
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Yes its the US because things like that aren't publicized over here but I'm sure its active over here.
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This thread says different: http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=210812.0
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So after a remap do you think it will perform like this one I've just seen on YouTube showing the top speed of this particular GTD 250kph - 155mph at 4400rpm I bet its not standard.
Golf 6 GTD Top Speed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KprlXYwgoec&feature=related)
I've just seen one doing 270kph but you can't tell its on a road it could be a chassis dyno. The other one showed flashes of the road ahead.
270 km/h GOLF VI GTD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfd7BqoCOb8&feature=related)
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Seen 150+ on GTD's :wink:
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But is that on a chipped GTD it must show how in accurate the speedo is VW only claim 138mph standard?
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Using racelogic timing gear :rolleyes: