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Model specific boards => Golf mk8 => Topic started by: JRG4 on 29 June 2021, 08:25
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Hi,
I'm interested in how other people are getting on with their clubsport orders. To be quite honest i'm having a nightmare with mine. I ordered on 01/02 and was told i would have the car late May/early June. My unconfirmed build week has gone from 33,31,40,44,30 and as of yestersday build week 46! :angry:
At this point i feel like the car will never arrive.
My spec is:
Pure white
Rear view camera
19" Adelaides
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Ordered 3 weeks ago and I'm still in stage 1 but looking to modify order and add DCC in.
standard wheels
standard white
winter pack
DCC
No comms from dealer but not expecting any, was told 26 weeks at point of order.
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I’m at stage 2 with no build week allocated yet
Moonstone Grey
Adelaides
Reverse Camera
Winter Pack
DCC
Was originally told end of September for delivery but now would be lucky if it arrives this year
As far as I know, production is held up as part of the global chip shortage issue. Chip is used in the DSG gearbox and also the HK option if you spec that
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I get the feeling that they won't be making any more for the UK until after the summer holiday... sometime in August...
I haven't seen Evo post about what the MY22 changes are yet either.
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I’m at stage 2 with no build week allocated yet
Moonstone Grey
Adelaides
Reverse Camera
Winter Pack
DCC
Was originally told end of September for delivery but now would be lucky if it arrives this year
As far as I know, production is held up as part of the global chip shortage issue. Chip is used in the DSG gearbox and also the HK option if you spec that
I dare say that there’ll be computer chips used elsewhere within the car too - e.g. infotainment unit, the ECU etc. - and that would pretty much affect production of all manufacturers’ cars.
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I’m at stage 2 with no build week allocated yet
Moonstone Grey
Adelaides
Reverse Camera
Winter Pack
DCC
Was originally told end of September for delivery but now would be lucky if it arrives this year
As far as I know, production is held up as part of the global chip shortage issue. Chip is used in the DSG gearbox and also the HK option if you spec that
I dare say that there’ll be computer chips used elsewhere within the car too - e.g. infotainment unit, the ECU etc. - and that would pretty much affect production of all manufacturers’ cars.
Yup I think your right, there must be quite a few in each car. I’ll try to find the article but it specifically mentioned the DSG box in the Clubsport and the HK option, maybe they use a specific chip or something similar.
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Ordered in Feb with an expectation of July delivery, now been told I have a build week of 40 but I don't think that's confirmed. I've now sold my 7.5 GTi as I was offered silly money for it from the dealer. I thought it was bad when I ordered my R years ago, waited 6 months for that but it's looking like the CS will be November time. :undecided:
Ordered:
Moonstone Grey
Black Estorils
Winter pack.
No DCC for me as never had it on my R or GTi and just don't miss it.
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Ordered in Feb with an expectation of July delivery, now been told I have a build week of 40 but I don't think that's confirmed. I've now sold my 7.5 GTi as I was offered silly money for it from the dealer. I thought it was bad when I ordered my R years ago, waited 6 months for that but it's looking like the CS will be November time. :undecided:
Ordered:
Moonstone Grey
Black Estorils
Winter pack.
No DCC for me as never had it on my R or GTi and just don't miss it.
Sounds like we're in a similar situation. Looks like we'll miss the Summer this year!
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BMW have restrictions on their HK units at the moment for sure. If you assume HK make the units, it will impact VW too...
There is a massive problem with automative chip supply and its largely down to how they treat their suppliers...funnily enough they get knocked back when demand is high and supplies are short because of it.
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Ordered in Feb with an expectation of July delivery, now been told I have a build week of 40 but I don't think that's confirmed. I've now sold my 7.5 GTi as I was offered silly money for it from the dealer. I thought it was bad when I ordered my R years ago, waited 6 months for that but it's looking like the CS will be November time. :undecided:
Ordered:
Moonstone Grey
Black Estorils
Winter pack.
No DCC for me as never had it on my R or GTi and just don't miss it.
Sounds like we're in a similar situation. Looks like we'll miss the Summer this year!
I was happy to wait until the end of this year to be honest as I didn't need a new car, pcp deal wasn't running out yet, however now being without a car because of VW throwing money at me it would be good to get a build date seeing as I've been waiting 6 months for one!
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That's what this thread was for
https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=287670.0
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That's what this thread was for
https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=287670.0
I saw that one, everyone in there is 45. My intention was to gather info on the standard clubsport as this will differ from newly placed 45 orders.
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Oh sorry yeah. Forgot there was a non 45 lol
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Just had some news from my dealer in regards to why its been pushed back again.. Its due to the model year changes. Apparently these haven't been decided yet, once confirmed i should start to see it come forward and get a confirmed build week.
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posted elsewhere but in terms of tracking
- Spec: Dolphin, Estorils, DCC, HK, Park Assist, Rev Cam, Pan Roof, HUD, Winter Pack
- Order processed with dealer 21-April (via DTD)
- Repurposed car already at stage 2 from dealer. Originally told to expect Sept but was dependent on covid and chip supply
- had 4 update texts saying now at stage 2 (but its always been stage 2....)
- update as of 25th June from dealer: The factory are making 2022 model year changes (from July production onwards vehicles will be built to 2022 model year), I phoned VW UK, they said the factory are still sorting out orders from these model year changes, so this is why you may have had a few text, on our system it is not currently displaying an estimated build week
With the spec I have I am assuming the worst due to likelihood of multiple chip suppliers being involved....
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Keen to see what the 2022 will have different on it? Seems a bit early in it's model life to add anything on as standard? Winter pack back as a standard feature maybe?
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Keen to see what the 2022 will have different on it? Seems a bit early in it's model life to add anything on as standard? Winter pack back as a standard feature maybe?
It might be small things like the door card material/ armrest cover like in Volkswizards ED45 video?
Also saw a post on here about the possibility of the speed limiter being added to MY22 cars
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Should have the speed limiter on a MY22.
Might be a few other little changes too...
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Keen to see what the 2022 will have different on it? Seems a bit early in it's model life to add anything on as standard? Winter pack back as a standard feature maybe?
It might be small things like the door card material/ armrest cover like in Volkswizards ED45 video?
Also saw a post on here about the possibility of the speed limiter being added to MY22 cars
Speed limiters are to become mandatory - I think from sometime in 2022. If so, then it’ll be one of the MY22 changes. As for other MY22 changes - I wouldn’t expect anything much as the Clubsport was only launched (I think) in Dec 2020, so current spec is still ‘fresh’ and it might be too early in the model’s lifecycle for spec updates and changes.
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My dealer forwarded me a bulletin from VW a few weeks ago with my22 changes and there was nothing much in it, nothing for the performance Golfs anyway. Just a few trim/spec changes for models lower down the range.
As for me, I ordered a CS in mid May. Silver, Estoroils, DCC, winter pack, camera.
At that stage I was preparing for a 5+ month wait and the dealer subsequently sent me a VW bulletin (along with the above MY22 stuff) that performance Golfs were indeed facing big delays and not to expect to see it before October.
But then, oddly, a week or 10 days later, he told me its up on the system at BW27 and appeared to be locked in / "frozen" to that week. I checked again last week and it was still on course for that. That's next week! I'll check in with him later this week to see if its still on course for building next week...
Very strange anyway, considering what I was told initially about huge delays, and the delays others are seeing.
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You should get "build week confirmed" 4 weeks before the build.... when they have all of the parts lined up and a slot reserved...
At that point nothing should stop it getting built...
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You should get "build week confirmed" 4 weeks before the build.... when they have all of the parts lined up and a slot reserved...
At that point nothing should stop it getting built...
Right, thats my thinking too. Its not likely to change now. The status on his system was "Frozen" a few weeks ago and last week it was "scheduled".
I am in Ireland, but I don't think that makes a difference. Its the same factory.
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I’m slightly nervous now. Managed to order one last week and it’s now due with dealer today from container… I was told originally that it’d be up to 28 weeks, but pushed for them to locate one or I’d look against a later point. But one was located and due at dealer today. Should have it in a couple of weeks.
This maybe due to me not being fussy about colour or spec’in it over standard. But managed to get a black one, which I think looks very smart on these cars.
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I’m slightly nervous now. Managed to order one last week and it’s now due with dealer today from container… I was told originally that it’d be up to 28 weeks, but pushed for them to locate one or I’d look against a later point. But one was located and due at dealer today. Should have it in a couple of weeks.
This maybe due to me not being fussy about colour or spec’in it over standard. But managed to get a black one, which I think looks very smart on these cars.
Be sure to post up some pictures when you’ve got your car.
I’ve owned my fair share of black cars over the years (I’ve had five) and IMHO they do look great when clean and shiny. The downside is the time and effort it takes to keep them looking good - I found it was a real labour of love. Adopting a safe wash technique (if you don’t do this already) and investing in some decent cleaning gear to minimise the risk of paintwork swirls is highly recommended.
Also, steer clear of the Eastern European hand car wash places, automatic car washes and don’t let the dealer wash the car when it goes back for servicing / warranty work - unless you want your car to get the ‘scratch and swirl’ look :smiley:.
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I’m slightly nervous now. Managed to order one last week and it’s now due with dealer today from container… I was told originally that it’d be up to 28 weeks, but pushed for them to locate one or I’d look against a later point. But one was located and due at dealer today. Should have it in a couple of weeks.
This maybe due to me not being fussy about colour or spec’in it over standard. But managed to get a black one, which I think looks very smart on these cars.
Hope all goes well. I'll be lucky to get mine before Father Christmas arrives at this rate
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Will he fit it down your chimney?
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Update, order confirmed as modified by dealer who have added DCC. They dont anticipate any huge delay to original delivery date.
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Speed limiters
https://youtu.be/u90uIuoqnQ0
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Speed limiters
https://youtu.be/u90uIuoqnQ0
Good video, thanks for posting.
I took from that the ISA requirement isnt even decided upon yet, so near 0 chance of it appearing on MY22 GTI’s
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Speed limiters
https://youtu.be/u90uIuoqnQ0
So they won't affect us until the mk8.5 is released or 2024, whichever comes sooner...
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I’m slightly nervous now. Managed to order one last week and it’s now due with dealer today from container… I was told originally that it’d be up to 28 weeks, but pushed for them to locate one or I’d look against a later point. But one was located and due at dealer today. Should have it in a couple of weeks.
This maybe due to me not being fussy about colour or spec’in it over standard. But managed to get a black one, which I think looks very smart on these cars.
Be sure to post up some pictures when you’ve got your car.
I’ve owned my fair share of black cars over the years (I’ve had five) and IMHO they do look great when clean and shiny. The downside is the time and effort it takes to keep them looking good - I found it was a real labour of love. Adopting a safe wash technique (if you don’t do this already) and investing in some decent cleaning gear to minimise the risk of paintwork swirls is highly recommended.
Also, steer clear of the Eastern European hand car wash places, automatic car washes and don’t let the dealer wash the car when it goes back for servicing / warranty work - unless you want your car to get the ‘scratch and swirl’ look :smiley:.
I sure will. I’ve traded in my Scirocco R (which I’ll miss), and been used to keeping it shiny and white. Long time since i last had a black car and will be cleaning it with much tlc 😎
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I’m slightly nervous now. Managed to order one last week and it’s now due with dealer today from container… I was told originally that it’d be up to 28 weeks, but pushed for them to locate one or I’d look against a later point. But one was located and due at dealer today. Should have it in a couple of weeks.
This maybe due to me not being fussy about colour or spec’in it over standard. But managed to get a black one, which I think looks very smart on these cars.
Hope all goes well. I'll be lucky to get mine before Father Christmas arrives at this rate
😂😬. Fingers crossed it’s sooner!
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Speed limiters
https://youtu.be/u90uIuoqnQ0
Good video, thanks for posting.
I took from that the ISA requirement isnt even decided upon yet, so near 0 chance of it appearing on MY22 GTI’s
Well if any notifications come out about this being added onto my order it will be cancelled and ill be scouring the classifieds for a 2021 version. Surely this could kill any future values on models with it on.
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We'll see.... i suspect VW will introduce it for MY22.... because they can (tech is already onboard the Mk8 in all guises) and its a safety system so popular with the public right?
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Can anyone read German?
Spotted this on Instagram, looks to be about MY22 order but there’s also something about 36 KW
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Can anyone read German?
Spotted this on Instagram, looks to be about MY22 order but there’s also something about 36 KW
Seems his order has been pushed back and is now a confirmed MY22 build whereas before it was a MY21
The 36 means it’s the predicted delivery week 36
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Can anyone read German?
Spotted this on Instagram, looks to be about MY22 order but there’s also something about 36 KW
Seems his order has been pushed back and is now a confirmed MY22 build whereas before it was a MY21
The 36 means it’s the predicted delivery for week 36
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(https://i.postimg.cc/c1vf97Pn/084522-FB-AAEC-4410-9376-29-BB2-C048006.png) (https://postimg.cc/jCrWCfxx)
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Can anyone read German?
Spotted this on Instagram, looks to be about MY22 order but there’s also something about 36 KW
Seems his order has been pushed back and is now a confirmed MY22 build whereas before it was a MY21
The 36 means it’s the predicted delivery for week 36
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Sorry about those posts - not sure how I’ve managed to make such a mess on the thread
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Order is now active on the system again after a few days, its really crap. I’m now at stage 2 too, party time!
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Anybody receive the stage 2 text again today? This is my 4th I think
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Anybody receive the stage 2 text again today? This is my 4th I think
Yes at 07:18. Makes a change from getting it on a Monday
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I asked the dealer to change my alloys from adelaides to black estorils yesterday, i was at unconfirmed BW46 so it couldn't of gone much further back anyway. Still waiting on confirmation.
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I asked the dealer to change my alloys from adelaides to black estorils yesterday, i was at unconfirmed BW46 so it couldn't of gone much further back anyway. Still waiting on confirmation.
When did you order for that date? [Edit] Just seen you ordered on 01/02! Oh thats a long wait for Mid Nov.
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I asked the dealer to change my alloys from adelaides to black estorils yesterday, i was at unconfirmed BW46 so it couldn't of gone much further back anyway. Still waiting on confirmation.
When did you order for that date? [Edit] Just seen I ordered on 01/02! Oh thats a long wait for Mid Nov.
I've been told its the MY22 changes. I've stopped caring now though to be honest. It'll be here when its here
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Theyve done updates on Id.3 etc here, was looking for more info but nothig released on Golfs, heres hoping they change the 18" wheels to something else.
https://www.vwpress.co.uk/en-gb/releases/4561
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Theyve done updates on Id.3 etc here, was looking for more info but nothig released on Golfs, heres hoping they change the 18" wheels to something else.
https://www.vwpress.co.uk/en-gb/releases/4561
I have all my fingers and toes crossed that the GTI stitching in the headrest for the Clubsport ED45 makes its way to all Clubsports for MY22 builds. Complete guess and probably 0.01% chance, but it would be awesome if they did.
Or maybe they will change the side graphics to include the Clubsport name, that would be good.
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Theyve done updates on Id.3 etc here, was looking for more info but nothig released on Golfs, heres hoping they change the 18" wheels to something else.
https://www.vwpress.co.uk/en-gb/releases/4561
New wheel options on VW’s normally happen when a car gets its mid-life facelift, so I dare say the 18” Richmond’s are here for a few more years.
Whether there’ll be any additional factory fit wheel choices in 18” before mid life face lift is anyone’s guess. However, if the mk7 GTI is anything to go by then probably not. Austin’s we’re the only factory alloys offered in 18” until the facelift mk7.5 GTI arrived (standard alloys; Parker’s, with 18” Graphite coloured Seville alloys with red pinstripe around the rim offered as an extra cost factory fit option).
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So, according to that article and then looking at the configurator the my22 changes are there already…. But is that just the id3 and troc ones or across the whole range?
Had a very cursory look at the CS and couldn’t see any visible changes, but the reduced selection for the id3 is live
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Doing the same with the configurator, the seats in the CS and the seats in the E45 show the difference with the GTI branding, the description is the same though. This isn't very good economics from VW, that means they have different seats for them both, the GTI/GTD are different again as are the R which youd expect. You would think it would make sense to have CS and E45 the same seat branding from cost and supply point of view.
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Cost of the E45 seats will be more though on account of the GTI stitching. Would explain part of the cost increase.
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Clubsport OTR price has gone up £150 with MY22, if anyone was close to the 40k luxury limit (once registration fee and first years VED are deducted), it’s worth checking if you are still under 40k
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VW live chat saying all MY22 changes are now in play.
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VW live chat saying all MY22 changes are now in play.
Hopefully that kicks the production line into action and build weeks start to be assigned
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VW live chat saying all MY22 changes are now in play.
Hopefully that kicks the production line into action and build weeks start to be assigned
apparently the changes are
Discover Media with streaming and Internet as standard
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VW live chat saying all MY22 changes are now in play.
Hopefully that kicks the production line into action and build weeks start to be assigned
apparently the changes are
Discover Media with streaming and Internet as standard
Looks like the configurator has also been updated with more in depth tyre information when you select your wheel option now
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VW live chat saying all MY22 changes are now in play.
Hopefully that kicks the production line into action and build weeks start to be assigned
apparently the changes are
Discover Media with streaming and Internet as standard
I never really paid much attention to this, does the car have its own sim card installed and is that free or do we get a bill after 3 years or something for the data useage? How does this work?
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VW live chat saying all MY22 changes are now in play.
Hopefully that kicks the production line into action and build weeks start to be assigned
apparently the changes are
Discover Media with streaming and Internet as standard
Discover Media was standard before streaming and internet maybe new?
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VW live chat saying all MY22 changes are now in play.
Hopefully that kicks the production line into action and build weeks start to be assigned
apparently the changes are
Discover Media with streaming and Internet as standard
Discover Media was standard before streaming and internet maybe new?
I thought that too
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I never really paid much attention to this, does the car have its own sim card installed and is that free or do we get a bill after 3 years or something for the data useage? How does this work?
Yes built in e-sim with a 4g connection.
Its free for VW based things (traffic, map updates, car comms with VW servers) but you have to pay for general internet access (eg streaming internet radio) or use a hotspot on your phone instead.
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Ready to collect next week :-D
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Very nice, I had the choice of Deep black or Atlantic blue. I've had three black cars and thought it time for a change.
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I’ve a clubsport on order and there doesn’t seem to be a build week in sight. Thinking of now adding the hk audio. Is it worth it?
I’d be happy with an aftermarket solution but from the brief search I’ve done there is no info on something that will 100% work with the in car tech. I’d also be a bit worried about how it would effect the warranty.
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I’ve a clubsport on order and there doesn’t seem to be a build week in sight. Thinking of now adding the hk audio. Is it worth it?
I’d be happy with an aftermarket solution but from the brief search I’ve done there is no info on something that will 100% work with the in car tech. I’d also be a bit worried about how it would effect the warranty.
HK is only worth it if its something you want, its a completely subjective to each owner. I personally find the standard sound system fine.
However, what is known is HK is subject to the chip shortage. Also just because the build week isn't assigned, the order is still in the queue as it were and making changes can push the order back in the queue. However nobody really knows anything concrete and you can waste hours trying to find information from VW, to no avail.
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I’ve a clubsport on order and there doesn’t seem to be a build week in sight. Thinking of now adding the hk audio. Is it worth it?
I’d be happy with an aftermarket solution but from the brief search I’ve done there is no info on something that will 100% work with the in car tech. I’d also be a bit worried about how it would effect the warranty.
The standard system seems pretty good sounds better than the 7.5 Golf one. I'm possibly no audiophile but seem to get the balance ok. too much bass can distort at higher volumes.
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I’ve a clubsport on order and there doesn’t seem to be a build week in sight. Thinking of now adding the hk audio. Is it worth it?
I’d be happy with an aftermarket solution but from the brief search I’ve done there is no info on something that will 100% work with the in car tech. I’d also be a bit worried about how it would effect the warranty.
My build week was supposedly last week (week 27) but when I checked in for an update on Monday it hadn't moved along. Still "scheduled" rather than "in production"... so I'm not sure whats going on but it seems a confirmed build week doesn't mean much at the moment either.
As for HK, its one of the big ticket items that apparently does directly impact build lead times so for that reason alone I'd be hesitant to spec it. The standard audio in VW's tends to be reasonably good, much better than say BMW where HK is almost essential.
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check this thread out on HK vs standard https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=287587.0
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I have the HK in my Clubsport. It's good but the standard system is generally pretty good. I had the standard system on my mk7.5 GTI and I can't say this HK system is worlds apart. If you have the cash to spare then go for it but if it's between HK and something else maybe go for the other thing (depending on what it is!!)
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Yeah I’m on the fence really since nobody seems to be really impressed with the hk. The standard is pretty good but it’s just not as good as the one in my current car.
I see there is lots of aftermarket subwoofers that fit where the spare wheel is but it’s all mk7 compatible. Would any of you go this route when they are working for mk8? I’ve a clubsport on order and there doesn’t seem to be a build week in sight. Thinking of now adding the hk audio. Is it worth it?
I’d be happy with an aftermarket solution but from the brief search I’ve done there is no info on something that will 100% work with the in car tech. I’d also be a bit worried about how it would effect the warranty.
My build week was supposedly last week (week 27) but when I checked in for an update on Monday it hadn't moved along. Still "scheduled" rather than "in production"... so I'm not sure whats going on but it seems a confirmed build week doesn't mean much at the moment either.
As for HK, its one of the big ticket items that apparently does directly impact build lead times so for that reason alone I'd be hesitant to spec it. The standard audio in VW's tends to be reasonably good, much better than say BMW where HK is almost essential.
unfortunate that yours hasn’t been built yet but not totally unsurprising going by all the other stuff we are hearing on lead times. I’m preparing myself now for mine to be a 221 plate as I’m not picking up the car in November/December, I can see me losing out down the road with how registration works in Ireland.
With that in mind I think adding the hk might delay it a few months but not affect when I pick up the car.
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Pleased to say I collected it today. So far very good, although doesn’t sound as good as my Rocco R did. Getting used to all the new gadgets (the infotainment is pretty easy once you get the back of it).
One big annoyance - given the cost and high spec, they didn’t supply me with car mats!!! :sad:
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Pleased to say I collected it today. So far very good, although doesn’t sound as good as my Rocco R did. Getting used to all the new gadgets (the infotainment is pretty easy once you get the back of it).
One big annoyance - given the cost and high spec, they didn’t supply me with car mats!!! :sad:
Carpet mats are standard on all mk8 Golfs apart from the entry level ‘Life’ model. They’re normally in a plastic bag in the boot when the car leaves the factory and the dealer should fit them in the foot wells as part of PDI and prep prior to customer collection. Suggest you contact your dealer tomorrow and ask for them.
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Put my complaint in today. Currently sat at BW 47 and i've had enough. Order was placed on 01/02 and was told id have the car by late May/Early June. Order has been constantly going backwards.
Customer service at VW are currently getting in touch with my dealer to see what good will gestures can be offered.
I wouldn't mind it but my dealer is impossible to contact, hardly ever responds to emails and always 'with a customer' when i call. :angry: :angry: :angry:
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So February to November, is it a fancy spec? Akra? HK?
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Spec is in my signature, although i changed from adelaides to black estorils which pushed me back by 1 week
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Put my complaint in today. Currently sat at BW 47 and i've had enough. Order was placed on 01/02 and was told id have the car by late May/Early June. Order has been constantly going backwards.
Customer service at VW are currently getting in touch with my dealer to see what good will gestures can be offered.
I wouldn't mind it but my dealer is impossible to contact, hardly ever responds to emails and always 'with a customer' when i call. :angry: :angry: :angry:
So February to November, is it a fancy spec? Akra? HK?
The underlying issue affecting build delays is likely to be the worldwide semiconductor supply shortages - see reply #92 in the discussion thread at the link below;
https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=287670.90
RHD Golf GTI’s with DSG and Harmen Kardon are particularly affected and @JRG4’s car ticks 3 out of 4 of those boxes - RHD, Golf GTI (Clubsport), and DSG.
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Id missed that post, thanks.
Im the same, CS, DSG, RHD, but DCC & Winter.
Are we saying, and a separate thread on VWROC is saying that this is more likely impacting CS's than R's? They also use the DSG, surely its the same chips. I was tempted by an R to start with when i ordered a CS, might have to consider that option again.
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Id missed that post, thanks.
Im the same, CS, DSG, RHD, but DCC & Winter.
Are we saying, and a separate thread on VWROC is saying that this is more likely impacting CS's than R's? They also use the DSG, surely its the same chips. I was tempted by an R to start with when i ordered a CS, might have to consider that option again.
Different gearbox chip according to vw
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Another thing about the MY22 builds - does anyone know about the noise regs for 2022 cars? It’s affecting the super car world a lot. Just wondering if the MY22 Clubsports will sound any different than the pre 22 cars. Bit like with GPF for 2018 scandal
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Pleased to say I collected it today. So far very good, although doesn’t sound as good as my Rocco R
(https://i.postimg.cc/NfdxN92f/B871-ECEC-0876-4-F9-B-A4-DE-55-D37-B363-C02.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PP8ZJqMB)
My GTI sound a lot better now after 1900 kilometers and the clubsport near my house even sounds better.
Give it time.
You can also change your sound settings to sport under individual driving profile and if possible use 98 Ron petrol. my car sound better and use less fuel ⛽️ With 98 Ron
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I assumed it just needs a bit of bedding in. Only clocked 100 miles so far and that was the journey back from dealership. I used 98 as default, as I have done with the Rocco. Although the CS pops whereas the R didn’t ;)
Pleased to say I collected it today. So far very good, although doesn’t sound as good as my Rocco R
(https://i.postimg.cc/NfdxN92f/B871-ECEC-0876-4-F9-B-A4-DE-55-D37-B363-C02.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PP8ZJqMB)
My GTI sound a lot better now after 1900 kilometers and the clubsport near my house even sounds better.
Give it time.
You can also change your sound settings to sport under individual driving profile and if possible use 98 Ron petrol. my car sound better and use less fuel ⛽️ With 98 Ron
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Spec is in my signature, although i changed from adelaides to black estorils which pushed me back by 1 week
I think what your experiencing is pretty normal at the moment with any new car. I ordered my CS in the first week of Jan. Reflex Silver, Adelaide’s and Winter Pack and I’ve been told it won’t be delivered until the end of September. I’m not holding my breath though.
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Spec is in my signature, although i changed from adelaides to black estorils which pushed me back by 1 week
I think what your experiencing is pretty normal at the moment with any new car. I ordered my CS in the first week of Feb. Reflex Silver, Adelaide’s and Winter Pack and I’ve been told it won’t be delivered until the end of September. I’m not holding my breath though.
Agree; Covid and semiconductor shortages will be adversely impacting ‘normal’ lead times.
It wasn’t unusual for customers to experience wait times of 8-9 months or longer with the performance models of the previous generation of the Golf during the first year or so of its lifecycle. I can remember some forum members waiting around a year, and that’s without a pandemic or ongoing shortages of a critical component.
I always take what a car salesperson tells me with regard to lead times with a pinch of salt. Their prime motivation (if not only motivation) is to get the customer to sign on the dotted line so some less scrupulous salespeople may be a little economic with the truth to achieve this. To be fair to car salespeople, they’re not all unscrupulous, and I’ve dealt with some very good ones in the past, and none of them would’ve been able to predict the impact of the pandemic or semiconductor shortages on lead times.
At least with long lead times, it gives VW time to get the software gremlins sorted, so customer cars delivered towards the end this year / beginning of next might be gremlin free :whistle:.
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Dealer update for me this morning.
Currently we are in build week 29 and my order has a scheduled BW of week 47 (Late November) Happy Xmas for me by the looks of things.
For reference: CS, white, DCC, Winter pack, std wheels
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Dealer update for me this morning.
Currently we are in build week 29 and my order has a scheduled BW of week 47 (Late November) Happy Xmas for me by the looks of things.
For reference: CS, white, DCC, Winter pack, std wheels
I’m scheduled bw 46, almost same options as you apart from paint and wheels, no hk. Although given the update from the ceo of vw the other day of an extra 6 months delays I’m setting my expectations for a 22 plate March delivery. If it comes earlier then great.
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Dealer update for me this morning.
Currently we are in build week 29 and my order has a scheduled BW of week 47 (Late November) Happy Xmas for me by the looks of things.
For reference: CS, white, DCC, Winter pack, std wheels
I’m scheduled bw 46, almost same options as you apart from paint and wheels, no hk. Although given the update from the ceo of vw the other day of an extra 6 months delays I’m setting my expectations for a 22 plate March delivery. If it comes earlier then great.
Got a link for that from the VW CEO?
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Dealer update for me this morning.
Currently we are in build week 29 and my order has a scheduled BW of week 47 (Late November) Happy Xmas for me by the looks of things.
For reference: CS, white, DCC, Winter pack, std wheels
I’m scheduled bw 46, almost same options as you apart from paint and wheels, no hk. Although given the update from the ceo of vw the other day of an extra 6 months delays I’m setting my expectations for a 22 plate March delivery. If it comes earlier then great.
Got a link for that from the VW CEO?
Sorry The 6 month delay came from a dealer (unsure which) over on the r order thread. This is what the VW communication said
(https://i.postimg.cc/d3LLjWsC/D1887865-8713-404-C-8-A14-A4-F58-A1-CE9-A2.png) (https://postimg.cc/rR2V8Nty)
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Looking at the last few comments, we all seem to be at 46/47 including myself. I’m guessing they’ve pushed back all CS orders as far back as possible until the situation improves.
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Guys with BW 46/47, when did you order?
I ordered end of June, still at Order Accepted stage
I've gone for Moonstone, Adelaide's, DCC, reversing cam and pan roof.
Looking at the last few comments, we all seem to be at 46/47 including myself. I’m guessing they’ve pushed back all CS orders as far back as possible until the situation improves.
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Mine is still showing stage 2 even though i got that dealer update, removed and readded didnt change that. I dont anticipate that to change for a while. Time to try and forget about it to be honest, i was told 26 weeks when ordering and on this schedule its looking close enough to that estimate.
I do check the ex demos and stuff to see if its worth cancelling and taking one of those but they're all just basic and black which i dont want. My dealer has one I test drove but no options and 3500miles but 3k more than I secured my order for.
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Guys with BW 46/47, when did you order?
I ordered end of June, still at Order Accepted stage
I've gone for Moonstone, Adelaide's, DCC, reversing cam and pan roof.
Looking at the last few comments, we all seem to be at 46/47 including myself. I’m guessing they’ve pushed back all CS orders as far back as possible until the situation improves.
Rory, I see you're in Dublin.
I'm in Ireland too. Ordered mid-May. I did have a confirmed BW-27 but that has come and gone (we're in week 29 now). I asked the dealer to chase up VW last week and they came back and said all builds are running 3-4 weeks behind and mine should go into production on week 30-31. I'm in no way confident this will happen, but we will see!
Given that you ordered in late June, I think you're in for a long wait I'm afraid. Aim for January...
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1st February my order went in.
Guys with BW 46/47, when did you order?
I ordered end of June, still at Order Accepted stage
I've gone for Moonstone, Adelaide's, DCC, reversing cam and pan roof.
Looking at the last few comments, we all seem to be at 46/47 including myself. I’m guessing they’ve pushed back all CS orders as far back as possible until the situation improves.
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Guys with BW 46/47, when did you order?
I ordered end of June, still at Order Accepted stage
I've gone for Moonstone, Adelaide's, DCC, reversing cam and pan roof.
Looking at the last few comments, we all seem to be at 46/47 including myself. I’m guessing they’ve pushed back all CS orders as far back as possible until the situation improves.
Rory, I see you're in Dublin.
I'm in Ireland too. Ordered mid-May. I did have a confirmed BW-27 but that has come and gone (we're in week 29 now). I asked the dealer to chase up VW last week and they came back and said all builds are running 3-4 weeks behind and mine should go into production on week 30-31. I'm in no way confident this will happen, but we will see!
Given that you ordered in late June, I think you're in for a long wait I'm afraid. Aim for January...
I spoke to the dealer this week and told him if it doesn't arrive until October/ November I will just wait until January to pick it up. If I'm waiting that long it's worth waiting to get the 221 plate I think. I am just worried that I might be lucky to get it in January with some of the lead times being quoted at 6 months+ in the UK
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Guys with BW 46/47, when did you order?
I ordered end of June, still at Order Accepted stage
I've gone for Moonstone, Adelaide's, DCC, reversing cam and pan roof.
Looking at the last few comments, we all seem to be at 46/47 including myself. I’m guessing they’ve pushed back all CS orders as far back as possible until the situation improves.
Rory, I see you're in Dublin.
I'm in Ireland too. Ordered mid-May. I did have a confirmed BW-27 but that has come and gone (we're in week 29 now). I asked the dealer to chase up VW last week and they came back and said all builds are running 3-4 weeks behind and mine should go into production on week 30-31. I'm in no way confident this will happen, but we will see!
Given that you ordered in late June, I think you're in for a long wait I'm afraid. Aim for January...
I spoke to the dealer this week and told him if it doesn't arrive until October/ November I will just wait until January to pick it up. If I'm waiting that long it's worth waiting to get the 221 plate I think. I am just worried that I might be lucky to get it in January with some of the lead times being quoted at 6 months+ in the UK
I don't think UK lead times necessarily are a true reflection of typical Irish lead times (not in normal non-covid times at least).
Can I ask are you going with PCP finance? If so, did the dealers discuss the rates/offers with you? I've heard that the 0% offer is finished for new orders...
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Guys with BW 46/47, when did you order?
I ordered end of June, still at Order Accepted stage
I've gone for Moonstone, Adelaide's, DCC, reversing cam and pan roof.
Looking at the last few comments, we all seem to be at 46/47 including myself. I’m guessing they’ve pushed back all CS orders as far back as possible until the situation improves.
Rory, I see you're in Dublin.
I'm in Ireland too. Ordered mid-May. I did have a confirmed BW-27 but that has come and gone (we're in week 29 now). I asked the dealer to chase up VW last week and they came back and said all builds are running 3-4 weeks behind and mine should go into production on week 30-31. I'm in no way confident this will happen, but we will see!
Given that you ordered in late June, I think you're in for a long wait I'm afraid. Aim for January...
I spoke to the dealer this week and told him if it doesn't arrive until October/ November I will just wait until January to pick it up. If I'm waiting that long it's worth waiting to get the 221 plate I think. I am just worried that I might be lucky to get it in January with some of the lead times being quoted at 6 months+ in the UK
I don't think UK lead times necessarily are a true reflection of typical Irish lead times (not in normal non-covid times at least).
Can I ask are you going with PCP finance? If so, did the dealers discuss the rates/offers with you? I've heard that the 0% offer is finished for new orders...
Hopefully that is the case. Yeah going PCP, I got O% finance, as far as I know any car ordered in June was offered on 0% PCP. I'm not sure if they are still offering it, the online calculator is still showing it
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Guys with BW 46/47, when did you order?
I ordered end of June, still at Order Accepted stage
I've gone for Moonstone, Adelaide's, DCC, reversing cam and pan roof.
Looking at the last few comments, we all seem to be at 46/47 including myself. I’m guessing they’ve pushed back all CS orders as far back as possible until the situation improves.
Rory, I see you're in Dublin.
I'm in Ireland too. Ordered mid-May. I did have a confirmed BW-27 but that has come and gone (we're in week 29 now). I asked the dealer to chase up VW last week and they came back and said all builds are running 3-4 weeks behind and mine should go into production on week 30-31. I'm in no way confident this will happen, but we will see!
Given that you ordered in late June, I think you're in for a long wait I'm afraid. Aim for January...
I spoke to the dealer this week and told him if it doesn't arrive until October/ November I will just wait until January to pick it up. If I'm waiting that long it's worth waiting to get the 221 plate I think. I am just worried that I might be lucky to get it in January with some of the lead times being quoted at 6 months+ in the UK
I don't think UK lead times necessarily are a true reflection of typical Irish lead times (not in normal non-covid times at least).
Can I ask are you going with PCP finance? If so, did the dealers discuss the rates/offers with you? I've heard that the 0% offer is finished for new orders...
Hopefully that is the case. Yeah going PCP, I got O% finance, as far as I know any car ordered in June was offered on 0% PCP. I'm not sure if they are still offering it, the online calculator is still showing it
Good stuff. Yeah same here. However I know a guy who ordered a CS45 a couple of weeks ago and he was told no, the offer finished at the end of June. So if that’s the case, good job you got the order in and didn’t wait a few more days!
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Guys with BW 46/47, when did you order?
I ordered end of June, still at Order Accepted stage
I've gone for Moonstone, Adelaide's, DCC, reversing cam and pan roof.
Looking at the last few comments, we all seem to be at 46/47 including myself. I’m guessing they’ve pushed back all CS orders as far back as possible until the situation improves.
Rory, I see you're in Dublin.
I'm in Ireland too. Ordered mid-May. I did have a confirmed BW-27 but that has come and gone (we're in week 29 now). I asked the dealer to chase up VW last week and they came back and said all builds are running 3-4 weeks behind and mine should go into production on week 30-31. I'm in no way confident this will happen, but we will see!
Given that you ordered in late June, I think you're in for a long wait I'm afraid. Aim for January...
I spoke to the dealer this week and told him if it doesn't arrive until October/ November I will just wait until January to pick it up. If I'm waiting that long it's worth waiting to get the 221 plate I think. I am just worried that I might be lucky to get it in January with some of the lead times being quoted at 6 months+ in the UK
I don't think UK lead times necessarily are a true reflection of typical Irish lead times (not in normal non-covid times at least).
Can I ask are you going with PCP finance? If so, did the dealers discuss the rates/offers with you? I've heard that the 0% offer is finished for new orders...
Hopefully that is the case. Yeah going PCP, I got O% finance, as far as I know any car ordered in June was offered on 0% PCP. I'm not sure if they are still offering it, the online calculator is still showing it
Good stuff. Yeah same here. However I know a guy who ordered a CS45 a couple of weeks ago and he was told no, the offer finished at the end of June. So if that’s the case, good job you got the order in and didn’t wait a few more days!
Went in originally looking at a new GTD in April, then priced a standard GTI on 19s which bumped the price over the CS, so when the 0% offer came up the CS was a no brainer
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Guys with BW 46/47, when did you order?
I ordered end of June, still at Order Accepted stage
I've gone for Moonstone, Adelaide's, DCC, reversing cam and pan roof.
Looking at the last few comments, we all seem to be at 46/47 including myself. I’m guessing they’ve pushed back all CS orders as far back as possible until the situation improves.
Rory, I see you're in Dublin.
I'm in Ireland too. Ordered mid-May. I did have a confirmed BW-27 but that has come and gone (we're in week 29 now). I asked the dealer to chase up VW last week and they came back and said all builds are running 3-4 weeks behind and mine should go into production on week 30-31. I'm in no way confident this will happen, but we will see!
Given that you ordered in late June, I think you're in for a long wait I'm afraid. Aim for January...
I spoke to the dealer this week and told him if it doesn't arrive until October/ November I will just wait until January to pick it up. If I'm waiting that long it's worth waiting to get the 221 plate I think. I am just worried that I might be lucky to get it in January with some of the lead times being quoted at 6 months+ in the UK
Ordered mid June, also in Ireland and I’m thinking the same with regards waiting till Jan for the new plate. I reckon you’d lose a few grand 3 years down the road with what would essentially be a 4 year old car in dealers and potential buyers eyes.
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I’ve just cancelled my clubsport order if anyone wants to take it on. Inchape Telford ask for Lisa hudson.
Spec was 19” black estorils with reversing camera
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I’ve just cancelled my clubsport order if anyone wants to take it on. Inchape Telford ask for Lisa hudson.
Spec was 19” black estorils with reversing camera
Oh 😮 why the change of mind if I May ask?
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I’ve just cancelled my clubsport order if anyone wants to take it on. Inchape Telford ask for Lisa hudson.
Spec was 19” black estorils with reversing camera
Oh 😮 why the change of mind if I May ask?
I’ve managed to get a stock Golf R with winter pack and reversing camera with a 2 weeks delivery
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I’ve just cancelled my clubsport order if anyone wants to take it on. Inchape Telford ask for Lisa hudson.
Spec was 19” black estorils with reversing camera
Oh 😮 why the change of mind if I May ask?
I’ve managed to get a stock Golf R with winter pack and reversing camera with a 2 weeks delivery
That’s great 😃 Even better Car in my own opinion. Great choice
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Hit by a double whammy - price rises and build week has slipped from 46 to 51 :sad:
My spec has jumped £800 and with the calculations is only a tiny bit under the 40k luxury tax band now.
To add insult to injury, my dealer is clueless on how ved/ car tax works
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Hit by a double whammy - price rises and build week has slipped from 46 to 51 :sad:
My spec has jumped £800 and with the calculations is only a tiny bit under the 40k luxury tax band now.
To add insult to injury, my dealer is clueless on how ved/ car tax works
Surely your price is locked in from when you ordered it?
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Hit by a double whammy - price rises and build week has slipped from 46 to 51 :sad:
My spec has jumped £800 and with the calculations is only a tiny bit under the 40k luxury tax band now.
To add insult to injury, my dealer is clueless on how ved/ car tax works
Surely your price is locked in from when you ordered it?
The car cost/ finance is, but the tax is calculated at the point of registration. Any more rises and it hits the luxury band
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So my demo car is for sale..... was £34k when i checked last week
https://usedcars.volkswagen.co.uk/en/used-cars/volkswagen/golf/20-tsi-300-gti-clubsport-5dr-dsg-q4clxu4
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Christ on a bike! That car would book at around £32k max I reckon.
Greedy swines. £34k retail fair enough but that’s shocking.
If they’re selling for that sort of money I’ll bin mine off ASAP and drive around in a heap until the world settles down.
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Christ on a bike! That car would book at around £32k max I reckon.
Greedy swines. £34k retail fair enough but that’s shocking.
If they’re selling for that sort of money I’ll bin mine off ASAP and drive around in a heap until the world settles down.
You can keep your Porsche’s and Ferrari’s, a bog standard Clubsport is the new flippers car of choice!
Imagine what the first Clubsports with a bit of spec on them are going to be worth when they start arriving around Xmas :grin:
Of course Im being sarcastic :smiley:
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The automotive streets are paved with gold right now!
Mad times.
It baffles me that new orders have been having stupid wait times yet there’s not exactly a void of in stock cars from most marques. Several people I know have picked up in stock cars quite easily recently so it begs the question why buyers will suffer huge delays yet accept that there’s a supply of unordered cars coming through whilst they twiddle their thumbs.
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The automotive streets are paved with gold right now!
Mad times.
It baffles me that new orders have been having stupid wait times yet there’s not exactly a void of in stock cars from most marques. Several people I know have picked up in stock cars quite easily recently so it begs the question why buyers will suffer huge delays yet accept that there’s a supply of unordered cars coming through whilst they twiddle their thumbs.
I think it comes down to spec. The in-stock cars are likely to be standard spec or have just one or two options, and there’ll be certain options that are ‘must haves’ for some would-be buyers, so they’re prepared to suffer the long delays to get a car with those options.
If I was considering a new GTI or Clubsport, I don’t think there’s anything I’d want over and above the standard spec, other than a set of better alloys, and I wouldn’t be picking any of VW’s factory alloy wheel options, I’d go for a set of good quality, aftermarket alloys.
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I think it comes down to spec. The in-stock cars are likely to be standard spec or have just one or two options, and there’ll be certain options that are ‘must haves’ for some would-be buyers, so they’re prepared to suffer the long delays to get a car with those options.
If I was considering a new GTI or Clubsport, I don’t think there’s anything I’d want over and above the standard spec, other than a set of better alloys, and I wouldn’t be picking any of VW’s factory alloy wheel options, I’d go for a set of good quality, aftermarket alloys.
What I meant was why don’t the factory concentrate on fulfilling pre-orders before building unordered “stock” cars? As a customer that would bug me massively if I had one on order.
Granted certain options might slow things down a trifle but not 8 months.
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The concept of performance golf's being available as stock is certainly a new one. The only stock you'd find previously was dealer demos for sale...
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Spec is in my signature, although i changed from adelaides to black estorils which pushed me back by 1 week
I think what your experiencing is pretty normal at the moment with any new car. I ordered my CS in the first week of Jan. Reflex Silver, Adelaide’s and Winter Pack and I’ve been told it won’t be delivered until the end of September. I’m not holding my breath though.
I’ve now been told end of November 🙄
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Mine has slipped again to December now. Gone from July --> October --> December. VW don't seem to care it seems, just happy to make people wait.
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Mine has slipped again to December now. Gone from July --> October --> December. VW don't seem to care it seems, just happy to make people wait.
In the ED45 thread it was mentioned about ED45 builds taking priority over normal Clubsports, I’m pretty convinced that’s what’s happening here. The ED45’s are getting the chips and will arrive first
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Mine has slipped again to December now. Gone from July --> October --> December. VW don't seem to care it seems, just happy to make people wait.
In the ED45 thread it was mentioned about ED45 builds taking priority over normal Clubsports, I’m pretty convinced that’s what’s happening here. The ED45’s are getting the chips and will arrive first
Sounds like it. Dealer just told me of a CS45 that's built and on a ship right now, it was ordered after my CS :undecided:
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I don’t think that theory holds any water at all. I have a regular CS on the way, ordered mid May.
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Hi I'm new here!
Ordered a CS 9th of June and was told expected date to be the end of October.
Just had an email from my dealer telling me that I won't see it until January... but after reading this thread, who knows when it will arrive! 😢
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Welcome Scally, that 73 in your username might well end up the registration plate at this rate! :laugh:
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Been pushed back to bw 4 2022
:angry:
I joked about a 22 plate, but doesn't seem funny anymore
Can you ask your dealer to re-calculate the px value as compensation for the situation - used car market is still going up and there is even more value in my current car?
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Well just spoke to my dealer and mine has been pushed back to bw 4 2022 as well. Gone July>October>December>January.
Are they just planning on building them all at the same time regardless of when the order was put in? Mine was ordered In Jan 21!
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Is that from a DTD or a carwow type place? Im wondering if these are getting less priority vs some of the other bigger dealers.
Bargain found :grin:
https://usedcars.volkswagen.co.uk/en/used-cars/volkswagen/golf/gti-mk8-5dr-20-tsi-300ps-gti-clubsport-dsg-k5cnjb8
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Is that from a DTD or a carwow type place? Im wondering if these are getting less priority vs some of the other bigger dealers.
Bargain found :grin:
https://usedcars.volkswagen.co.uk/en/used-cars/volkswagen/golf/gti-mk8-5dr-20-tsi-300ps-gti-clubsport-dsg-k5cnjb8
42k :grin:
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Probably a car rejected by the previous owner.... rejected cars just go straight back on the forecourt...
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Is that from a DTD or a carwow type place? Im wondering if these are getting less priority vs some of the other bigger dealers.
Bargain found :grin:
https://usedcars.volkswagen.co.uk/en/used-cars/volkswagen/golf/gti-mk8-5dr-20-tsi-300ps-gti-clubsport-dsg-k5cnjb8
Nope. Direct for VW dealer.
With prices like that I can't even cancel my order and pick up a stock one, it would cost thousands more!
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Are the items listed as 'Fitted optional extras' actually extras apart from the Rev Cam & the Adelaides? What does a 'Discover Nav Pro' do that the standard Nav doesn't? I suspect you can have the map display on the dash and the centre screen and that's about it.
£42k!!!? Ouch.
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Are the items listed as 'Fitted optional extras' actually extras apart from the Rev Cam & the Adelaides? What does a 'Discover Nav Pro' do that the standard Nav doesn't? I suspect you can have the map display on the dash and the centre screen and that's about it.
£42k!!!? Ouch.
Winter pack, reversing camera, adelaides and colour is extra...
The NavPro is also an expensive option... although nobody can tell you what that gives you for a UK car... 3d maps possibly and the ability to have the map on the dash and centre screen at once. Its on the face of it, utterly pointless!
On a car this old, the infotainment unit for pro vs normal is the same hardware, those extra features are literally a software config item (that you can see but not change without a Geko login before you ask)
PS current price on a new factory order to this vehicle spec would be £40,830 RRP!!
Vs a 6 month old one with 3000 miles on it for 42k... dealer demo do you reckon? 6 months would be about right...
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Ordered April, via DTD
Spec: CS, Dolphin, DCC, HUD, PA, HK, Estorils, RC, PR, WP(front only), Service pack/offer… thibk that was everything :grin:
Latest update: unconfirmed bw 47 (so I’m guessing Jan delivery, maybe)
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Build wk.46 now slid back to BW52 with delivery 3/4 weeks after :cry:
Ordered white CS, DCC, Winter pack, Std wheels on 12/06/21
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Build wk.46 now slid back to BW52 with delivery 3/4 weeks after :cry:
Ordered white CS, DCC, Winter pack, Std wheels on 12/06/21
I ordered mine the first week of January and my latest delivery date in week 44
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Build wk.46 now slid back to BW52 with delivery 3/4 weeks after :cry:
Ordered white CS, DCC, Winter pack, Std wheels on 12/06/21
I ordered same day as you and the current build week is 44. Not counting on it staying that way after having a look on here.
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4 months after ordering, mine arrived at the dealers yesterday. It’s filthy and has all the wrappers on it but I think it still looked great :smiley: Collecting it on Tuesday/Wednesday all going well.
(https://i.ibb.co/jh1gHnM/F4-A10-E7-F-8-EEF-462-F-AF04-2-B7693015411.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R2Vz7R0)
(https://i.ibb.co/Bc2D2WL/3-F0-A5788-5749-4-A02-A191-04-B57-ADA2-FC8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vV454y1)
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Bet you can't wait :smiley:
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Snap! Great colour and wheel combination!
Although I may be a little biased!!
(https://i.postimg.cc/L6J8YSWG/0-AF97316-528-D-4-DE5-A9-B2-8-B0-A52-F0-F015.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WhPvCBT7)
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Congrats at last Joe, hopefully your semiconductors were worth the wait!
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Thanks guys :smiley:
Yeah, delighted with the wheel choice and reflex silver. I can’t wait to see it once it’s all cleaned up!!
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Fair play Joe, bet you can’t wait.
I had initially ordered silver but changed to white as a way to add dcc without changing the price and whilst I’m happy with that I do think silver is the nicest colour.
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4 months after ordering, mine arrived at the dealers yesterday. It’s filthy and has all the wrappers on it but I think it still looked great :smiley: Collecting it on Tuesday/Wednesday all going well.
(https://i.ibb.co/jh1gHnM/F4-A10-E7-F-8-EEF-462-F-AF04-2-B7693015411.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R2Vz7R0)
(https://i.ibb.co/Bc2D2WL/3-F0-A5788-5749-4-A02-A191-04-B57-ADA2-FC8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vV454y1)
You ordered it 4 months ago? How did you receive it so quick? I ordered mine first week in January, Reflex Silver, Adelaides, Winter Pack. What’s your full spec?
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I'm in Ireland which may have something to do with it, but yes, ordered it in mid May. We typically do not see the enormous lead times you guys are accustomed to.
Its Reflex silver, estorils, DCC, winter pack and rear camera.
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I'm in Ireland which may have something to do with it, but yes, ordered it in mid May. We typically do not see the enormous lead times you guys are accustomed to.
Its Reflex silver, estorils, DCC, winter pack and rear camera.
Wild. Might ask if they can deliver mine in Ireland to see if it comes any quicker 🤣
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Bit weird how some are coming faster than others, doesnt seem to be any reason for it. Ireland should be same as UK regs, RHD etc.
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Bit weird how some are coming faster than others, doesnt seem to be any reason for it. Ireland should be same as UK regs, RHD etc.
Its always been like this. I've never waited more than 3-4 months for a new VW, this car was probably the longest. I assume its down to regional allocations, dealer allocations, etc.
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Same here, in Ireland, after seeing lead times on here I expected it would be next year, ordered end of June, told me to expect early October delivery, so I have asked them to hold it until January to get new plate. Got 0% pcp and keeping same trade in value on my 2015 GTD.
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Same here, in Ireland, after seeing lead times on here I expected it would be next year, ordered end of June, told me to expect early October delivery, so I have asked them to hold it until January to get new plate. Got 0% pcp and keeping same trade in value on my 2015 GTD.
I thought about doing the same (wait till Jan), but I'm too impatient. Life is way too short and with the 0% and decent discount I got, I said to hell with that, take it now.
Also, you'd want to be careful you don't get caught for price hikes on the new car if you wait. There's another €900 price rise imminent I believe and then there's VRT which the dealer will have no control over. Its possible that they will hike it up in the budget, given the Green Party's hatred of cars... we'll know more in January I suppose!
Anyway, picking this up tomorrow :cool:
(https://i.ibb.co/Jm6gTzs/IMG-1179.jpg)
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Same here, in Ireland, after seeing lead times on here I expected it would be next year, ordered end of June, told me to expect early October delivery, so I have asked them to hold it until January to get new plate. Got 0% pcp and keeping same trade in value on my 2015 GTD.
If the expected delivery is early October they must know it’s on the way? I’m in Ireland, ordered early June and got a build of week 44 at the moment. They are trying to increase the price if it’s Jan delivery though which does not sit well with me.
If I was from the uk I wouldn’t get too jealous about the shorter wait we have. They cost a lot more here.
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Had a chat with VW customer services yesterday to see why my car was being pushed back and back. According to them it was originally delayed because of the wheels (black Estorils) but that's fine now, however the new delay is the fabric (standard CS interior). Customer services suggested I try a different fabric like I was ordering a sofa from John Lewis...
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Just been informed by VW customer services my build has been pushed back to June 2022
Yes, June
That will be 14 months
Was told BW 4 last week.
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Just been informed by VW customer services my build has been pushed back to June 2022
Yes, June
That will be 14 months
Was told BW 4 last week.
oh crap. I was told BW 4 last time as well.
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Customer services suggested I try a different fabric like I was ordering a sofa from John Lewis...
:laugh: :laugh:
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Just cancelled
I’m not playing the game anymore, sticking with my low mileage reliable 7.5 GTI PP till all this blows over
Within minutes of cancelling via email I’ve had a thorough apology email from the Head of business at my VW dealership, although I imagine it’s a well used template email lately
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Same here, in Ireland, after seeing lead times on here I expected it would be next year, ordered end of June, told me to expect early October delivery, so I have asked them to hold it until January to get new plate. Got 0% pcp and keeping same trade in value on my 2015 GTD.
I thought about doing the same (wait till Jan), but I'm too impatient. Life is way too short and with the 0% and decent discount I got, I said to hell with that, take it now.
Also, you'd want to be careful you don't get caught for price hikes on the new car if you wait. There's another €900 price rise imminent I believe and then there's VRT which the dealer will have no control over. Its possible that they will hike it up in the budget, given the Green Party's hatred of cars... we'll know more in January I suppose!
Anyway, picking this up tomorrow :cool:
(https://i.ibb.co/Jm6gTzs/IMG-1179.jpg)
They worked in the MY22 price increase when I ordered. If VRT goes up, I'll just have to stomach it and hopefully it will be reflected in the value after 3 years
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Just been informed by VW customer services my build has been pushed back to June 2022
Yes, June
That will be 14 months
Was told BW 4 last week.
Thats is absolutely terrible.
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Same here, in Ireland, after seeing lead times on here I expected it would be next year, ordered end of June, told me to expect early October delivery, so I have asked them to hold it until January to get new plate. Got 0% pcp and keeping same trade in value on my 2015 GTD.
I thought about doing the same (wait till Jan), but I'm too impatient. Life is way too short and with the 0% and decent discount I got, I said to hell with that, take it now.
Also, you'd want to be careful you don't get caught for price hikes on the new car if you wait. There's another €900 price rise imminent I believe and then there's VRT which the dealer will have no control over. Its possible that they will hike it up in the budget, given the Green Party's hatred of cars... we'll know more in January I suppose!
Anyway, picking this up tomorrow :cool:
(https://i.ibb.co/Jm6gTzs/IMG-1179.jpg)
They worked in the MY22 price increase when I ordered. If VRT goes up, I'll just have to stomach it and hopefully it will be reflected in the value after 3 years
Best of luck with it, great colour and wheel combo, give us an updated after you pick it up.
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Ordered mine on 18 th feb and was originally told 15 weeks. This then changed to build week 27 and then again to week 43. Then yesterday I was informed that I now have an estimated build week of 7 in 2022. Absolutely ridiculous lead times and I’m now informed that any new orders for a performance golf is 57 weeks 🙉🙉
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Thats crazy Spinkerson, what dealer, what spec?
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Vertu vw skipton. Moonstone grey with adelaides rear view camera and winter pack.
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Really weird how some are coming sooner than others, as if some dealers are getting preferential service.
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Or people are offering more money to jump the queue ?
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Really weird how some are coming sooner than others, as if some dealers are getting preferential service.
Or people are offering more money to jump the queue ?
The factors mentioned by @fredgroves in reply #57 of the discussion thread at the link below are likely to have a bearing on why some cars appear to be given preferential treatment by VW;
https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=287258.msg2633018#msg2633018
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New user here, I found this thread useful to gauge my own order progress so I thought I'd add my details.
Ordered my mk8 CS on Feb 25th at Marshalls VW in Taunton.
Moonstone grey
Adelaides
DCC
Winter pack including rear seats
HK audio
I was initially told WB 26 but as this approached it slid back to 32 I think, then again it slipped to 44, finally last week again it moved back but this time only to week 45. My current car has to go back week 50 (this is the max limit of the lease extension) so if it slips again I'm going to be left without a car. I'm also pretty miffed about the price rises as when I specced, I brought it in under £40k and now I'm going to be hit with the luxury VED rate from year 2.
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well its been pushed back again, back to week 13 2022 now! that will make it 15 months after the order.
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Not the update I wanted to post but in case it's useful to anybody, my car has now gone to build week 5 so likely delivery in March if (a very big if) it even gets built to that schedule.
Now >12 months delivery and I have a ~3 month gap when I will be without a car because my current one goes back in December.
Currently assessing options but with the demand for cars, used prices are crazy so I'm inclined not to cancel my order and beg/borrow/rent to fill the gap. Very disappointed with the lack of support from VW or the dealer.
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As mentioned before I ordered my car on the first week of January. I’ve only ever been given a delivery date (to dealership) and I’ve never been given a BW up until now.
So my dealer is saying that delivery (to dealership) is the first week of November and my BW is 35. Is one month between build week and delivery to Scotland realistic?
P.S. They haven’t actually confirmed if my car was built in week 35 yet 🤦♂️
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I ordered in January and my estimated build date has just been moved again to week 13
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Same boat, wk46 became 52 and update on Sunday was wk10. Really disappointed now
Gutted and spent last 48hrs getting prices and quotes on a mk7.5 R which were ridiculous. Then looked at an older mk7 R.
Could sell my basic 7.5 Match at a healthy profit temporarily and pickup a £500 run around but not sure how that would impact the MK8 deal later.
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As mentioned before I ordered my car on the first week of January. I’ve only ever been given a delivery date (to dealership) and I’ve never been given a BW up until now.
So my dealer is saying that delivery (to dealership) is the first week of November and my BW is 35. Is one month between build week and delivery to Scotland realistic?
P.S. They haven’t actually confirmed if my car was built in week 35 yet 🤦♂️
Not sure about 1st week November for delivery but last week Monday they were still building week 35 golfs. This is from my vw dealer. Mines a week 36 build and earliest I'll probably see it will be end of November I'm guessing.
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Same boat, wk46 became 52 and update on Sunday was wk10. Really disappointed now
Gutted and spent last 48hrs getting prices and quotes on a mk7.5 R which were ridiculous. Then looked at an older mk7 R.
Could sell my basic 7.5 Match at a healthy profit temporarily and pickup a £500 run around but not sure how that would impact the MK8 deal later.
If I were you I’d hold on for now. I’m not in the uk but I know used prices are strong at the moment, I reckon they are unlikely to change drastically in that time and if you’ve a set price for yours you should be able to sell for a bit more elsewhere come the time.
Im in Ireland and ordered the same week as you and still have the week 44 build for now.. Our national budget was today and they have upped our vrt (the tax that makes every car more expensive here when compared to the uk) by 4% so that means another 2/3k on top of our already ridiculous prices if the car is registered in the new year.
Used prices here have also shot up so I plan to sell my current car just before collection. My car just like most have gone up considerably since June when we made the deal.
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As mentioned before I ordered my car on the first week of January. I’ve only ever been given a delivery date (to dealership) and I’ve never been given a BW up until now.
So my dealer is saying that delivery (to dealership) is the first week of November and my BW is 35. Is one month between build week and delivery to Scotland realistic?
P.S. They haven’t actually confirmed if my car was built in week 35 yet 🤦♂️
Not sure about 1st week November for delivery but last week Monday they were still building week 35 golfs. This is from my vw dealer. Mines a week 36 build and earliest I'll probably see it will be end of November I'm guessing.
I think the fact that we don’t have enough lorry drivers to offload the containers coming into our ports is going to cause further delays again unfortunately.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/hgv-driver-crisis-forces-cargo-ships-to-divert-from-uk-because-of-container-backlog-12432213
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Someone in the CS45 order thread just posted that they got this response from the online help when asking for an update on their car. Probably explains why my dealership have no idea where my car is.
"We would love to help with an order update however we're unable to provide this at the moment as our tracker is showing incorrect order information. Factory and IT are currently resolving this. Please check in with us next week."
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Would anyone consider cancelling a mk8 CS build for a late 2019 TCR with akra?
Mk8 CS was base plus colour DCC and Winter now on estimated wk10 plus delivery.
TCR similar monthly but it’s now 2 yr old with 15k on it.
I’ve a base golf 7.5 now and I like the interior and infotainment, the TCR would be free from mk8 glitches.
From what I’m reading the situation is getting worse with Wolfsburg closing the line again for another 2 weeks. Adding to this lorry driver issues this side of the North Sea.
This is so frustrating
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TCR is a very special car imo so yeah I’d consider it in your shoes. It would bug me intensely though to pay new car money for a 2 year old.
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Would anyone consider cancelling a mk8 CS build for a late 2019 TCR with akra?
Mk8 CS was base plus colour DCC and Winter now on estimated wk10 plus delivery.
TCR similar monthly but it’s now 2 yr old with 15k on it.
I’ve a base golf 7.5 now and I like the interior and infotainment, the TCR would be free from mk8 glitches.
From what I’m reading the situation is getting worse with Wolfsburg closing the line again for another 2 weeks. Adding to this lorry driver issues this side of the North Sea.
This is so frustrating
If the TCR was sensible money, then I’d definitely go for it. Otherwise, I’d keep your Golf and sit it out and play the waiting game. Who knows, maybe VW will have sorted most of the software glitches out by the time your car’s built.
I read yesterday on a forum (may have been this forum) that WBAC valuations have just started to drop now, so IMHO buying a two year old TCR at the top of the market doesn’t make good financial sense.
Your 7.5 base Golf is still a pretty decent car to be driving while you’re waiting.
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Back in January when my company car (GTD) was written off I requested the car allowance scheme and put a £99 holding deposit down on a TCR with the intention to purchase if my request was approved.
My request wasn’t approved, I was asked to use a Focus our company had in stock and get the allowance at the end of its lease (now), hence I’ve order a 45.
Anyway, the point is, the TCR I put a deposit down on was a fully loaded, ex demo, Oryx White with 3000 miles on the clock…. It was £1 under £30k and the dealer hinted at discounts once I’d been to look at it.
I fear if you purchase now, unless you keep for a long time, there’s big financial losses if/when the supply market recovers.
The choice is yours of course, and the TCR is (to be honest) a nicer looking car in my opinion. However, I have had this before, I purchased my MK2 focus RS over the odds when supply was low and demand high, I sold after recovery and Ford had flooded the market…. Big losses.
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As good a car as the TCR is, I too wouldn't go for it in the current circumstances.
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Back in January when my company car (GTD) was written off I requested the car allowance scheme and put a £99 holding deposit down on a TCR with the intention to purchase if my request was approved.
My request wasn’t approved, I was asked to use a Focus our company had in stock and get the allowance at the end of its lease (now), hence I’ve order a 45.
Anyway, the point is, the TCR I put a deposit down on was a fully loaded, ex demo, Oryx White with 3000 miles on the clock…. It was £1 under £30k and the dealer hinted at discounts once I’d been to look at it.
I fear if you purchase now, unless you keep for a long time, there’s big financial losses if/when the supply market recovers.
The choice is yours of course, and the TCR is (to be honest) a nicer looking car in my opinion. However, I have had this before, I purchased my MK2 focus RS over the odds when supply was low and demand high, I sold after recovery and Ford had flooded the market…. Big losses.
How are you bridging the gap between the end of your lease and arrival of your 45?
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How are you bridging the gap between the end of your lease and arrival of your 45?
The 45 was expected October (the same month as the lease end) when I ordered back in May. Delivery is now feb/March 🙄.
Luckily, I work for a decent company who use LEX for their company cars, LEX allow us to extend the cars indefinitely as long as it doesn’t start to cost more on maintenance than they budget for. So it’s actually worked out ok in my circumstance. I’m eager to get the car of course, but, not desperate like some.
I do feel for all those that have ordered a replacement car in time to replace an existing PCP deal that’s ending, only to find the new car is delayed. I’ve read that the manufacturer’s are unsympathetic and in my opinion this isn’t right.
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I can remember a time when VW used to provide you with a loan car free of charge if you were waiting longer than a specified period of time (can’t remember what the period was, sorry) for a new car to be built. With the number of people having considerable waiting periods for their cars, VW would probably struggle to supply loan cars to everyone that previously met the qualifying criteria.
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Doesnt VWFS offer options if new cars are delayed, i heard they can extend PCP into loans for example or extend them.
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yes, they offer short term extensions to leases or PCPs, and have also recently started offering 1 year PCP deal
https://businessmotoring.co.uk/vwfs-develops-short-term-pcp-to-beat-supply-delays/
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VWFS extended my previous PCP by 6 months because no new cars were available because of covid.
6 months was the maximum you could do.
For the 6 months, every single penny of the (same) monthly payments though was mine - ie increased my equity in the car.
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Next query, has anyone had the situation where the new car is delayed, beyond the original expectation. The VW trade-in is now due a service and MOT. My dealer is kind of brushing it under the carpet and not giving me straightforward answers. Another salesman in the same group but a different branch told me they have a process to cover this scenario but my salesman is on about me speaking to VW customer services direct and they would then apply services to my new car :huh: (makes no sense)
Opinions?
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I faced a similar situation way back in 2011 - my new car’s build was delayed and it looked as if I was going to incur the cost of a service, MOT and cam belt change on my part exchange. If my new car had arrived on time, those costs would have been picked up by the dealer or next owner.
The dealer agreed to contribute 50% of the cost of service and MOT and 100% of the cost of the cam belt change. AFAIK the dealership bore the cost, not VW.
If you speak to VWCS, I dare say they’ll merely direct you back to your dealership, so in your position I’d push your dealer for a worthwhile contribution towards the cost.
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First post but have been monitoring this post for a bit, I was given a BW week 48 for my Standard CS got the dreaded call last week pushed back to week 8 2022 ordered beginning of June, my dealer said that was actually one of his better rescheduled dates. :laugh:
My dad ordered a T-Roc mid July and from last update his is in production this week , but the dealer has said they have stopped taking orders on them.
Feels like they are prioritising the CS45 with all the pushbacks on CS orders.
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Feels like they are prioritising the CS45 with all the pushbacks on CS orders.
I had this thought too, I have also been monitoring the CS45 thread and anecdotally it seems there are more cars arriving with their owners. Probably VW making an effort to stop it becoming known as the Edition 46 :grin: Even worse news for us standard CS customers though.
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I have noticed some used prices falling though, 17 on AT today with cheapest now at 33k. None have any options other than colours.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCITVfaXMAIWOoE?format=jpg&name=small)
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So I guess dealer stock is coming through. Still doesn't help me, I ordered in Feb and my estimated BW is currently 5 after being pushed back four times. I have had to buy a runabout to cover the gap as I can't extend my current lease beyond mid December.
Still, tentatively better news I guess.
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I was tempted to ditch my deal and get that cheap one instead. Make do with no DCC and heated seats. Ditch the PCP and get a HP instead.
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Good option I guess, I want the car I ordered though. Personally I will save money while I have the runablout so I can afford to put more into the PCP upfront, that's the only silver lining for me.
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I've recently placed a new order for a Mk8, moonstone grey, Adelaid 19's, winter pack and reverse camera.
Dealers, Beadles, have said that the 'build progress tracker app' isn't currently working so thank you for the deposit, but for now its just a waiting game and they'll be in touch !
They've shared nothing other than a very basic offer document but taken the deposit (no receipt or acknowledgement received from them for that) ... anyhow, my questions is: how is it that this thread sees others aware of their build weeks yet Beadles say to me the build week tracker system isn't working - are they giving me duff information to fob me off because maybe in reality the car won't materialise well into 2022 and they just wanted to get an order on the books for their budget numbers ? (or am i overthinking)
Why would they do that you might ask... well, I currently have a Mk7.5 on zero % PCP and I was tempted to sell that car as the residual value was sky high with the likes of Motorway/webuyanycar/Kazoo.
I requested a settlement figure and like magic VW calls (i'm sure they get a flag when an existing customer requests a settlement figure) and they asked me if I'd be interested in a new deal for a new model car .... which I agreed to hence placing the order. So in theory they've succeeded in keeping me as a customer but just by dangling a carrot.
Great forum by the way.... will be checking back on various threads in the future.
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I've recently placed a new order for a Mk8, moonstone grey, Adelaid 19's, winter pack and reverse camera.
Dealers, Beadles, have said that the 'build progress tracker app' isn't currently working so thank you for the deposit, but for now its just a waiting game and they'll be in touch !
They've shared nothing other than a very basic offer document but taken the deposit (no receipt or acknowledgement received from them for that) ... anyhow, my questions is: how is it that this thread sees others aware of their build weeks yet Beadles say to me the build week tracker system isn't working - are they giving me duff information to fob me off because maybe in reality the car won't materialise well into 2022 and they just wanted to get an order on the books for their budget numbers ? (or am i overthinking)
Why would they do that you might ask... well, I currently have a Mk7.5 on zero % PCP and I was tempted to sell that car as the residual value was sky high with the likes of Motorway/webuyanycar/Kazoo.
I requested a settlement figure and like magic VW calls (i'm sure they get a flag when an existing customer requests a settlement figure) and they asked me if I'd be interested in a new deal for a new model car .... which I agreed to hence placing the order. So in theory they've succeeded in keeping me as a customer but just by dangling a carrot.
Great forum by the way.... will be checking back on various threads in the future.
I think what they’re telling you is correct. The tracker system has been down for the last 2-3 weeks. My dealer has literally no idea where my car is, it was supposedly due to be built on BW 35 and delivered to the dealer in the first week in November but the dealer doesn’t even know if it’s been built. FYI I ordered on the first week of January, almost the same spec as you so be prepared to wait.
In terms of your settlement, I’d probably try and settle and sell privately if you can for good money. You may need to buy a runabout to do you until your MK8 arrives if you don’t have a 2nd car. Also be aware that all car are at high values just now so you may have to pay over the odds for your runabout.
Also the market is softening off now so we should start to see prices dropping.
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I've recently placed a new order for a Mk8, moonstone grey, Adelaid 19's, winter pack and reverse camera.
maybe in reality the car won't materialise well into 2022
It almost certainly will be well into 2022.
If you have only just ordered...
Several dealers are quoting 40+ weeks for Mk8's at the moment, highest I've seen is 54 weeks!
So I'd not bother wondering about exactly when just yet.
Anyone with a tin foil hat might start thinking VW took down the tracker so they didn't scare orders off...
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As mentioned before I ordered my car on the first week of January. I’ve only ever been given a delivery date (to dealership) and I’ve never been given a BW up until now.
So my dealer is saying that delivery (to dealership) is the first week of November and my BW is 35. Is one month between build week and delivery to Scotland realistic?
P.S. They haven’t actually confirmed if my car was built in week 35 yet 🤦♂️
I’ve now been told end of November / Start of December for delivery to the dealer but no update on BW. Talk about over promising and under delivering 😂. I wish they’d just tell me if it’s not going to be here till next year because I really don’t care anymore.
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I've recently placed a new order for a Mk8, moonstone grey, Adelaid 19's, winter pack and reverse camera.
maybe in reality the car won't materialise well into 2022
It almost certainly will be well into 2022.
If you have only just ordered...
An order placed last week means you won’t be seeing that car till August next year at the earliest everything performance Golf is 9-12 months delivery.
Several dealers are quoting 40+ weeks for Mk8's at the moment, highest I've seen is 54 weeks!
So I'd not bother wondering about exactly when just yet.
Anyone with a tin foil hat might start thinking VW took down the tracker so they didn't scare orders off...
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Just had another update, it's now pushed back to week 14. So build week in April, car probably turning up in May. That will be 17 months after ordering. Given up caring now.
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I had an update yesterday that my BW has completely disappeared from the system and was just showing a blank field according to the dealer. I was told that this wasn't altogether unusual for a few vehicles every so often but that yesterday, this happened to about 75% of the vehicles they have on order.
I have also just about given up hope and fully expect my current BW to be pushed back again but we will see. My order date was late February.
I have just bought a cheap runabout as a stop gap as my current lease has to go back by mid December.
Really very unhappy with VW and their apparent lack of ability to plan. I would be fine if they could just give me a reliable date to plan against, even if it's a long time in the future but this constant moving of the goalposts is not only disappointing but has cost me real cash as a consequence of having to change plans. First world problems I suppose...
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@Korszun; it’s not just VW - other manufacturers are similarly affected by the issues impacting vehicle production. I’ve read on some other forums of build dates being pushed back more than once.
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I ordered my Clubsport last week with a few option boxes ticked.
I rang VW UK today and they told me B/W 11 but subject to change. Anyone else been quoted similar?
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@Korszun; it’s not just VW - other manufacturers are similarly affected by the issues impacting vehicle production. I’ve read on some other forums of build dates being pushed back more than once.
The BMW forum I read is all over the place with the same story.... no confirmed dates, kit getting removed from spec, dealers not having any info about delivery dates, dates getting pushed back to unknown times...
Its generally chaos!
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I ordered my Clubsport last week with a few option boxes ticked.
I rang VW UK today and they told me B/W 11 but subject to change. Anyone else been quoted similar?
B/W 11 2023? Gti were being quoted as Sep/Oct 2022 delivery if you ordered now
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@Korszun; it’s not just VW - other manufacturers are similarly affected by the issues impacting vehicle production. I’ve read on some other forums of build dates being pushed back more than once.
The BMW forum I read is all over the place with the same story.... no confirmed dates, kit getting removed from spec, dealers not having any info about delivery dates, dates getting pushed back to unknown times...
Its generally chaos!
Yeah, I understand that it's not just VW. I work in manufacturing and I can imagine the planners in Wolfsburg are probably tearing their hair out. My build date has already changed 5 times including this one though, I don't feel I'm being that unreasonable and just because it's happening to everyone else doesn't make it ok. I don't feel it's too much to ask to get a delivery date that won't be missed.
Like I said though, it's a first world problem and I'm sure the car will eventually arrive.
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I ordered my Clubsport last week with a few option boxes ticked.
I rang VW UK today and they told me B/W 11 but subject to change. Anyone else been quoted similar?
B/W 11 2023? Gti were being quoted as Sep/Oct 2022 delivery if you ordered now
No idea, but would make sense unfortunately.
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Mine is supposedly being built this week.. Somehow I doubt it, not even that bothered about chasing up the dealer. Whole thing has been a bit of a joke.
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Ordered April, via DTD
Spec: CS, Dolphin, DCC, HUD, PA, HK, Estorils, RC, PR, WP(front only), Service pack/offer… thibk that was everything :grin:
Latest update: unconfirmed bw 47 (so I’m guessing Jan delivery, maybe)
Latest: unconfirmed bw 11 (2022)
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Ordered April, via DTD
Spec: CS, Dolphin, DCC, HUD, PA, HK, Estorils, RC, PR, WP(front only), Service pack/offer… thibk that was everything :grin:
Latest update: unconfirmed bw 47 (so I’m guessing Jan delivery, maybe)
Latest: unconfirmed bw 11 (2022)
Now this is interesting. My spec is similar to yours (Dolphin, Estorils, DCC, Reversing Camera, Harmon Kardon) and I ordered from DtD’s VW dealer. My unconfirmed BW is also 11. So I guess ours will be twins!
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Mine is supposedly being built this week.. Somehow I doubt it, not even that bothered about chasing up the dealer. Whole thing has been a bit of a joke.
Moved to week 6
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Ordered April, via DTD
Spec: CS, Dolphin, DCC, HUD, PA, HK, Estorils, RC, PR, WP(front only), Service pack/offer… thibk that was everything :grin:
Latest update: unconfirmed bw 47 (so I’m guessing Jan delivery, maybe)
Latest: unconfirmed bw 11 (2022)
Now this is interesting. My spec is similar to yours (Dolphin, Estorils, DCC, Reversing Camera, Harmon Kardon) and I ordered from DtD’s VW dealer. My unconfirmed BW is also 11. So I guess ours will be twins!
Or worryingly that’s just the bw stuff that isn’t shceduled gets moved to and it will just keep moving 😭
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Ordered April, via DTD
Spec: CS, Dolphin, DCC, HUD, PA, HK, Estorils, RC, PR, WP(front only), Service pack/offer… thibk that was everything :grin:
Latest update: unconfirmed bw 47 (so I’m guessing Jan delivery, maybe)
Latest: unconfirmed bw 11 (2022)
Now this is interesting. My spec is similar to yours (Dolphin, Estorils, DCC, Reversing Camera, Harmon Kardon) and I ordered from DtD’s VW dealer. My unconfirmed BW is also 11. So I guess ours will be twins!
Or worryingly that’s just the bw stuff that isn’t shceduled gets moved to and it will just keep moving 😭
True! Interesting that ours have been grouped together though.
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Week 10 is now week 19, add to that delivery too and we’re talking June.
I’m gona cancel
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Yeah, he could be much worse. He could be the fella I have to deal with on my order. :cry:
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Week 10 is now week 19, add to that delivery too and we’re talking June.
I’m gona cancel
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Did you not know when you ordered the car in June that lead times are around 12-13 months? If you’re cancelling to order another brand new car (from any manufacturer) then you’re just going to the back of someone else’s order list, at least you’re already 5 months in.
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Did you not know when you ordered the car in June that lead times are around 12-13 months? If you’re cancelling to order another brand new car (from any manufacturer) then you’re just going to the back of someone else’s order list, at least you’re already 5 months in.
^^^^THIS!
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No I was originally told October, then Nov, then Dec, then Feb.
BMW quoting me Feb-March for delivery, my pal is the sales director and confirming today.
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No I was originally told October, then Nov, then Dec, then Feb.
BMW quoting me Feb-March for delivery, my pal is the sales director and confirming today.
What beemer are you looking at?
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BMW quoting me Feb-March for delivery, my pal is the sales director and confirming today.
To be honest, any dealer of any marque quoting you delivery times for a car not yet made or even ordered is guessing.
I'd also be careful with BMW as they are trying to counter the component shortages by removing items from the spec... eg the touch screen!
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I'd also be careful with BMW as they are trying to counter the component shortages by removing items from the spec... eg the touch screen!
I read on a Ford forum recently that Ford are also removing items from the spec of some models for the same reason.
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If they are up front about removing some spec AND able to slot it in in future (eg software update), then that would seem a reasonable approach. As long as you know what exactly you are paying for.
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If they are up front about removing some spec AND able to slot it in in future (eg software update), then that would seem a reasonable approach. As long as you know what exactly you are paying for.
The trouble is, people are ordering, getting dates pushed back and spec removed at the same time.... its a total lottery whether you get your car and what it actually turns up with. Sure, you can cancel and they also give you compensation for lost elements, but....
I'd stay on target with the Mk8 if I were you now...
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DTD have given me a delivery date of October 2022 for a Clubby :grin:
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Week 10 is now week 19, add to that delivery too and we’re talking June.
I’m gona cancel
(https://i.postimg.cc/KzLKHc22/C893-CFE8-25-B1-41-A4-94-E1-0-E5-CC191-A6-DC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tZqC1jJS)
I know they meant well and all that but what a patronising load of twaddle.
They make it sound like you’re being done a favour. Jeez.
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Latest spec BTW has actually deleted some things you used to get... I wouldn't call it an upgrade as such.
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Latest spec BTW has actually deleted some things you used to get... I wouldn't call it an upgrade as such.
So you pays more, and gets less?
Sounds great, where do I sign?? :grin:
VW really are taking the pee out of its customers lately.
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Latest spec BTW has actually deleted some things you used to get... I wouldn't call it an upgrade as such.
Do you know what's been changed / dropped then?
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Voice control, gesture control for a start... Probably some other things too
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Which to be honest aren’t amongst the car’s best features.
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My mate has a BW4 ( guess it’s unconfirmed at this stage) and he wanted to add 19” alloys - no DCC, and apparently it’s gone from BW4 to no build week now :undecided: so he’s planning on not adding them. So it looks like adding an option that doesn’t have a semi conductor causes delays too…
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Latest spec BTW has actually deleted some things you used to get... I wouldn't call it an upgrade as such.
Looks like VW have removed the option to view the brochure on their website too
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BMW quoting me Feb-March for delivery, my pal is the sales director and confirming today.
To be honest, any dealer of any marque quoting you delivery times for a car not yet made or even ordered is guessing.
I'd also be careful with BMW as they are trying to counter the component shortages by removing items from the spec... eg the touch screen!
Ive the chance of a 128ti which is in dealer stock new or i can go used m135i but need to wait 24hrs to see what they can do on a new 135i.
THe 128ti is considerbly cheaper than the clubsport too, i think it sits between a standard GTI and a CS but with nicer interior and better infotainment however not as good gearbox. The seats in an M135i are lovely though and both BMW interiors are miles ahead of the mk8 Golf.
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Never got chance to drive the 128Ti, and found the M135i a tad too boring for me so orderded the R instead.
I did like the interior on the M135i however, nice place to be for an everday long distance car I would say.
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The 135i msport seats are great, the ones in the 128ti not so much. In fact I was crippled after a day with it and cancelled my order because of that.
In mainland Europe you can spec the msport seats in the 128 but not in the UK...
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Maps reading lights are removed as standard equipment when i was looking yesterday.
Someone mentioned a black roof can be ordered didnt see that yet.
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Never got chance to drive the 128Ti, and found the M135i a tad too boring for me so orderded the R instead.
I did like the interior on the M135i however, nice place to be for an everday long distance car I would say.
M135i is an absolute rocket ship, that launch was incredible. Unfortunatley used ones looking unlikely as similar monthly to the new CS. New 135i is same wait time as the Golf CS. Most likely it will be the new 128ti if the dealer can reserve it today.
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I don’t see the ‘boring’ when comparing an M135i with a Golf R. Not that I’ve driven an 8R, but the 135i certainly feels more lively than a 7R and more hot hatch like as opposed to merely a fast, very competent range topper.
I don’t get the gearbox criticism of the BMW 7 speed either. It feels more organic and mechanical than the digital DSG. I found the 135i had more realistic change up points for normal driving than a DSG plus it felt quite brutal and dramatic when in Sport mode. Ok, maybe if you’re Mat Watson the DSG R is faster up the runway but on a real road at non licence losing speeds?
I parked nose to nose with a 128ti when picking up shopping for elderly relatives on Monday. It was a dark grey one on 19’s with all black trim, it looked very classy and upmarket. I also saw a storm grey one with the red accents this week and in the opposing shades of grey it can carry off different characters depending on the owners (age?) personality.
Personal preference for me was (and still is after 11 months with it) for a GTI Clubsport but that is indeed a very personal thing for its blend of attributes and character. No regrets.
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I really liked the M135i - it is an excellent car IMHO. I should have bought one when they were cheap - basic spec now is nudging 40k RRP, which is crazy.
The 128ti I had ordered was storm bay with red accents. Looks lovely IMHO. The one I test drove was white with red accents - looked good too I thought.
It was just the seats and the hard ride I hated with the 128ti. Nothing else, everything else was really nice, but the "fix" is to buy the M135i. The problem currently is that BMW have deleted so much stuff (option availability) from the 128ti that even if I could deal with the ride and the seats, it wouldn't be something I'd choose over a Mk8 Golf. I'd not want a car without adaptive cruise.
I'd say the M135i is a better car (for me) than a Mk7.5 R. I've not driven a Mk8 R, but can't imagine its much different overall to my Mk8 GTI - other than a bit faster.
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For balance... if you have the opportunity to drive both - do so. The 128ti has quite different handling feel to the M135i - its definitely set up for fun. It has that puppy dog enthusiasm that my old mk5 GTI had.
Wrt to the gearbox - I much prefer it to the DSG box in the golf (albeit thats a 6spd box). The gear change points are much more intuitive. What I've found with the VAG gearboxes (both DSG and TQ's) is the hardware is fine / great but the software is not. BMW seems much better at integrating the two together.
Hard ride? It is firm, but much less so that previous Audi 'S' cars I've had. Also its not crashy and the rear suspension seems better set up that it is in the golf (7 to be fair). Somehow more sophisticated. Also, BMW have crazy high tyre pressures specified - around 3 bar. Take that down to 2.6 and its still got a sporty edge but totally comfortable day to day. Seats are subjective, mine has lumbar support and have no issues with comfort. Do agree with Fred that the M135 has better seats - would be great if they were an option in the Uk
Oh and the interior isn't made by fisher price and the tech works flawlessly :tongue:
Very happy with mine. I do have to say the GTI community is stronger than the BMW one. Especially as true BMW fanboys shun the FWD newcomers...
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I drove the M135i and 8R back to back the same week.
Maybe it was the M135i spec, leather and dark grey (not storm) so it looked more business suit which maybe I felt it lacked presence. It was a great drive don't get me wrong but the R just felt better for me. I also got to drive the 8 Clubsport a week or 2x earlier, and that too was great but felt it was not up to my current mk7 Clubsport, but still a great drive too.
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Well after all that palaver this week I’m back waiting on the CS which may never arrive.
128ti was from a partnership dealer and the salesman took days to get back to me to reserve then sold so that’s out of the equation now. A new order is roughly 6 months.
A 135i is also about 6 months so is the same as the CS which I got discount on originally so would be more £
A used 135i is a possibility, I got a 4.9% apr quote on a 20 plate I test drove with 3k down 10k pa and 4yr was only 400 pm but a GFV of 16k. That’s a similar GFV to the CS but £80pm less. The used bmw only has 7k on it too and was lovely.
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Check the car for options... Some of the things you take for granted on a golf aren't on the BMW.
I presume you need a car immediately?
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Seemed to have most of the stuff the golf has, no wireless charging and no heated wheel on the model I found but there’s numerous about with different options.
Not particularly I’ve a crappy Golf match 1.0 on a 19plate to use still but I hate that car.
Another option is a TCR on a 20 plate with the akra. It’s got a low GFV of only 12k at 5years old, means a good chance to buy it at that stage as a long termer. Means it’s a bit more monthly, same price as new Cs but 5k cheaper at the end of a pcp.
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Driving assistant (auto cruise) is the one that is quite rare and I'd also look for one with hk as the standard audio is crap, doesn't have a pillar tweeters.
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So after several weeks of being quite annoyed my CS hasn’t arrived and wishing we had two cars again (ordered April, no confirmed BW, last estimate was unconfirmed bw 11 in 2022) last Friday/Saturday have gone out and bought a Honda E Advance with 600miles on it. All done over email/phone from main desler 300miles away. Deposit paid Saturday, car then delivered following Wednesday!
Liking the mk1 looks and proportions and seems quite fast (have only done 10miles so not really stretched it’s legs yet)
Assuming my CS ever arrives my plan is to either immediately sell it or more likely get rid of what was until now our only car that I had planned to run for much longer for the school run/general use (2017 Renault captur).
If get hooked on electric (one pedal driving seems pretty awesome, but been a while since had any auto) then will likely go down the id3 route for the “main” car, even though I had previously said was going to wait for newer solid state battery tech which is 3-5 years down the line.
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Ohhh Honda E... I think they look really nice. Its just a real shame the battery range is super small. Lovely piece of design aesthetic though.
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Ohhh Honda E... I think they look really nice. Its just a real shame the battery range is super small. Lovely piece of design aesthetic though.
Can someone point me in the direction of the 'Honda E' that you are both referring to? I've just googled it and can't be the same car surely........
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Ohhh Honda E... I think they look really nice. Its just a real shame the battery range is super small. Lovely piece of design aesthetic though.
Can someone point me in the direction of the 'Honda E' that you are both referring to? I've just googled it and can't be the same car surely........
Here it is;
https://global.honda/innovation/technology/automobile/electric-vehicles.html
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In real life they look really damned cool... the photos don't do them justice.
I particularly love the blue:
(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/long-term-review/legacy/2-honda-e-2020-rt-hero-rear.jpg?itok=H8Gu5quJ)
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Thanks both and, yes that's what I found..... I guess I was looking for a 'CS alternative' based on the previous comments. I will have to keep a look out for one in the flesh.
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Thanks both and, yes that's what I found..... I guess I was looking for a 'CS alternative' based on the previous comments. I will have to keep a look out for one in the flesh.
Its not really.. a non-VAG CS alternative would be a BMW 1 series, Hyundai I-30N, Merc 35 or Civic Type R.
Thats essentially the choice of hot hatches in the UK these days.
All have pros and cons - the BMW being the closest thing to a peformance Golf.
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Sorry Fred, I didnt phrase my post very well. What I meant to say was that, based on the previous comments, that a Honda E was an alternative to a CS - not that I was looking for an alternative in general.
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A small crumb of positive news today with VWG CEO Herbert Diess announcing that he feels the worst of the supply chain issues are behind VW and that production volumes will begin increasing soon.
Source: Reuters
I’ll believe it when I see it
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In real life they look really damned cool... the photos don't do them justice.
I particularly love the blue:
(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/long-term-review/legacy/2-honda-e-2020-rt-hero-rear.jpg?itok=H8Gu5quJ)
Yes we went for the blue, I like the grey but my CS will be dolphin and the Honda grey is nicer and would have annoyed the help out of me!
Range is pretty awful, especially in the cold weather with the climate on, standard equipment is amazing though.
Defn not a CS replacement but handles well and great fun / quick for a small non performance car.
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A small crumb of positive news today with VWG CEO Herbert Diess announcing that he feels the worst of the supply chain issues are behind VW and that production volumes will begin increasing soon.
Source: Reuters
I’ll believe it when I see it
Let’s hope so!
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latest update is now week 17. So would be looking at a June delivery! well fml.
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Wow...when did you order the Clubsport?
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Wow...when did you order the Clubsport?
Feb 2021 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Unbelievable... :shocked:
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I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone has had a performance golf built after February...
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I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone has had a performance golf built after February...
I was wondering this myself, coupled with everyones estimated build dates being bumped along with a similar pattern. Almost like they have decided to shelf the performance golfs. Then people who had their's built I assumed were orders already in?
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I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone has had a performance golf built after February...
For the UK market perhaps, but I'd still find that hard to believe. My CS was built in July.
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Ask yourself this, how many 21/71 plate golf's of any kind do you see on the road... Given just how popular the golf is...
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tbh I think Golf sales have dwindled, pandemic/parts shortages aside. I don’t see many new MK8’s but I do see quite a lot of the ID’s and tons of Tiguans.
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tbh I think Golf sales have dwindled, pandemic/parts shortages aside. I don’t see many new MK8’s but I do see quite a lot of the ID’s and tons of Tiguans.
Second best selling car apparently???
https://www.driving.co.uk/news/new-cars/bestselling-cars-2021/
I wonder how they define "sold"
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Wow...when did you order the Clubsport?
Feb 2021 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I ordered mine on the first week of January and have no idea where it is.
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tbh I think Golf sales have dwindled, pandemic/parts shortages aside. I don’t see many new MK8’s but I do see quite a lot of the ID’s and tons of Tiguans.
Second best selling car apparently???
https://www.driving.co.uk/news/new-cars/bestselling-cars-2021/
I wonder how they define "sold"
I find that very hard to believe 2nd best. I’ve seen apart from mine 1 maybe 2 clubsports R’s about the same and to be honest I haven’t seen many standard golf 8’s either
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I don’t see the same volume of Golfs either compared to any previous gen. There’s only one local to me which is very unusual.
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I don’t see the same volume of Golfs either compared to any previous gen. There’s only one local to me which is very unusual.
What with issues of Covid and semiconductor shortages, I dare say production volumes of the mk8 will be down - particularly this year - compared to a typical production year of previous generations of the Golf.
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Well if you compare 2019...
https://www.warrantywise.co.uk/blog/the-uks-top-10-best-selling-cars-of-2019
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Leaving performance Golfs aside for a moment, my instinct is that VW have lost/ are losing much of their customer base that worked through the Mk5,6 and especially 7 days.
Crossovers rule and especially those with a price point below Golf and a standard equipment point above.
Might be wrong but I think for many “ordinary” owners, the Golf marriage is over.
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You could be right about the Golf being less important to the market and vw. However that's understandable really when the twin pressures of electric and suv collide.
Both from vw and customer point of view, the golf is history in just over three years time for some markets.
That being said, SMMT data shows that the vw brand is still the most popular marque in the UK. And that's just vw, not vag group. Together they dominate the uk car market.
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Leaving performance Golfs aside for a moment, my instinct is that VW have lost/ are losing much of their customer base that worked through the Mk5,6 and especially 7 days.
Crossovers rule and especially those with a price point below Golf and a standard equipment point above.
Might be wrong but I think for many “ordinary” owners, the Golf marriage is over.
That's true to some extent, but VAG as the whole company have solutions for most buyers and will happily sell you a non-Golf
Want a Golf? Here's a plain vanilla Golf
Want a faster Golf? GTI, GTE, GTD, Clubsport, R
Want a posher Golf - Audi A3
Want a posher faster Golf? S3 and RS3
Want a cheaper Golf - SEAT Leon
Want a cheaper faster Golf? Cupra Leon
Golf a bit cramped? - Have a Skoda Octavia
Want a small SUV instead? - Have a Golf based Tiguan, Q2, Q3, T-Roc, Karoq, etc instead
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Was out this morning and saw a couple of “regular” mk8s and and R Line plus one more in ZipCar livery.
It’s not been a flood but think can say seeing more and more around, obviously nowhere near as many as mk7/7.5 6s or 5s though
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Maybe my problem is I find the Mk8 vanilla Golfs so bland that they don’t really stand out from the general crowd. So more are there but they just don’t register.
Even now, a vanilla 7/7.5 is a looker amongst the common herd.
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Going by the number of mk8’s I see around I find it hard to believe it’s the second best seller nowadays unless leases don’t count or if they do then maybe VW have done some cracking deals to fleet buyers but haven’t delivered the huge number ordered yet.
I see very few mk8’s around of any type. Corsas yes, SUV’s yes, Teslas too.
Ok, production, or rather lack of, is going to affect the number of cars registered massively despite early to mid 2021 being a bumper year for dealers. Many sold maybe but not many delivered.
Mid-sized hatchbacks seem to have gone a bit out of fashion in general I think. I hardly see any new Focus (Foci?) models in general let alone ST’s, the latter I don’t recall seeing any. These things used to be everywhere alongside new Golfs.
I do see quite a lot of A Class but not so many very recently registered. 1 series seem quite popular but BMW generally have a quicker order to build turnaround anyway.
Let’s face it, the mk8 is pretty ugly, company car drivers will have mostly gone electric, older comservative Golf owners will be looking at SUV’s (eschewing the interior of the new Golf as too techy), plus the car has a bad name because of said tech being fiddly and unreliable. Not good news really.
The days of cheap lease GTD and R models are gone, plus the tax benefits of electric cars will tempt company buyers and leasers. SUV’s are trendy and it’s much easier to stick a huge battery under the floor than elsewhere so electric SUV’s are easy meat for manufacturers to design and build in huge numbers.
Maybe for us more driver focussed model owners it’s not such bad news. Look at the USA, nobody buys Golfs over there except enthusiasts who want GTI and R’s so that’s all they sell over there now.
Remember VW saying they expected 20% of mk8 Golfs to be R’s? That’s because performance Golf buyers want a specific type of car and normal buyers want other things now. Golf sales will wane and ID’s will rise but there’s not a proper alternative to the petrol hot hatch just yet and being as the chassis and complicated bits of body-shell are long since developed being mk7 based they can afford to build Golfs in lower volumes as development costs are less. The tech is shared with other models and the interior is simpler and cheaper so it doesn’t cost VW a fortune to build a GTD/GTI/R but going by the lack of new members here compared to other generations after launch I doubt the GTI demand is huge. Maybe R’s still sell in much larger volumes. Who knows, as 2030 draws nearer maybe Europe will be more like the USA for Golf sales and we will only be offered performance models for die hard enthusiasts with other models being totally discontinued in favour of BEV’s. We’ll be like those old guys that mourned the passing of the MGB GT’s when the GTI was in its first throws of youth back in the late 70’s and 80’s. The world moves on and VW themselves were architects of the demise of Golfs with Dieselgate.
Still, if the Golf slowly becomes a low volume enthusiast model it might allow the engineers some head on the Ed50 design, unless the Ed45 becomes the Ed50 after the production hold ups, don’t hold your breath lads and lasses :whistle:
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I think you have defined the direction of travel pretty well, Exonian.
Got me thinking what performance make I see around as frequently as GTIs and Rs nowadays.
Answer? Porsche.
How the world has changed.
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We’ve gone off topic here but some good points raised. I loosely work within the car industry so try to keep tabs on model specific sales figures so thought I’d drop in some data that I follow from afar.
Fundamentally, European Golf (I talk as an overall model here) sales have flopped about 40% when compared to 2019.
Why?
1) Sales of Golf 7.5 were flying when it was cut. Lots of this was down to a healthy European economy (remember that?!) and ‘run-out’ the 7.5 spec being very attractive for the price. Lots were built as stock and flooded into dealers so that VW could use up its remaining inventory.
2) Covid had an effect for natural reasons beyond the shop floor being open.The economic uncertainty and ‘working from home’ changes have meant that the demand/requirement for stock (where VW build 2000 Golfs, in one spec, in blue) has gone; company car attitudes have done a 360 and car rental firms (big players Hertz, Europcar, Avis etc.) didn’t buy new fleets in 2020 because nobody travelled. Prior to 2022, roughly 40% of Golf sales were to fleet buyers.
3) Chip issue - by far the biggest. VW has actually sold less Golfs in 2021 than during the pandemic 2020! Golf 8’s software is very chip dependant even in the most basic of specs. VW dealers aren’t even allowed to order stock any more to make way for customer deliveries being met, thus only the battle-hardened spec-listers (us!!) are buying at the moment. Wolfsburg can barely guarantee that it’ll even build these before 2023, as many (myself included) are struggling with.
4) As others have alluded to, times move on and Europeans don’t love hatchbacks like they once did. The hatchback/SUV market share was 49% : 7% in 2006 but flipped to 35% : 44% in 2022.
The caveat? The Golf is still the European best seller in 2021 and 4th best in the UK. The drop of the Ford Fiesta in the UK (which usually the run-away favourite) just shows how well the Golf has faced the wider market issues. It’ll be killed off by regulation a long time before people lose interest.
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Very informative post Banksy :smiley:
Lots of good info in there.
Drifted off topic here maybe but with such long wait times minds are bound to wander (and wonder?)
Got me thinking what performance make I see around as frequently as GTIs and Rs nowadays.
Answer? Porsche.
How the world has changed.
Interesting point.
Some sections of society have done very well out of the pandemic
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Wow...when did you order the Clubsport?
Feb 2021 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I ordered mine on the first week of January and have no idea where it is.
Just to bring the topic back on track and a little update.
I’ve now been told early to mid January. I responded saying “are you sure as you tell me every month that it will be next month?” And they replied “yes”. We’ll see I suppose.
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Just to bring the topic back on track and a little update.
I’ve now been told early to mid January. I responded saying “are you sure as you tell me every month that it will be next month?” And they replied “yes”. We’ll see I suppose.
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Delivery or build week??
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Just to bring the topic back on track and a little update.
I’ve now been told early to mid January. I responded saying “are you sure as you tell me every month that it will be next month?” And they replied “yes”. We’ll see I suppose.
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Delivery or build week??
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Delivery to dealership
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Ordered mine in February and just been told week 20 estimate for the build🙉🙉
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Ordered mine in February and just been told week 20 estimate for the build🙉🙉
That’s unbelievable!
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Ordered mine in February and just been told week 20 estimate for the build🙉🙉
They have been parking them part finished in a lot and they have parked yours at the back so it will be a while before they get to it... Is my guess
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Ordered mine in February and just been told week 20 estimate for the build🙉🙉
What country are you in?
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I’m in england
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Mine has gone from week 5 to week 9 to week 12 as of yesterday. Now it's apparently disappeared from the system again (third time) and doesn't have a current build week.
Ordered end of Feb 2021
Looks like deliveries are going out well beyond 12 months 😐
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Mine has gone from week 5 to week 9 to week 12 as of yesterday. Now it's apparently disappeared from the system again (third time) and doesn't have a current build week.
Ordered end of Feb 2021
Looks like deliveries are going out well beyond 12 months 😐
Is that build date?
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Mine has gone from week 5 to week 9 to week 12 as of yesterday. Now it's apparently disappeared from the system again (third time) and doesn't have a current build week.
Ordered end of Feb 2021
Looks like deliveries are going out well beyond 12 months 😐
Is that build date?
Good bloody question. Yes, unconfirmed obviously.
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Does anyone know if these wheel caps below will fit the Mk8 Clubsport wheel? Specifically the Scottsdale as fitted to the Edition 45 GTI.
https://www.kunzmann.de/shop/en/wheels-wheel-hub-cap-chrome-red-vw-golf-7-genuine-volkswagen.htm
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Aren’t they the old logo though?
I won’t be able to answer tbe question properly for several more months :cry:
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Aren’t they the old logo though?
I won’t be able to answer tbe question properly for several more months :cry:
Yes, they are but think I'd get away with them not being close to any other VW badges 🤷♂️
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Does anyone know if these wheel caps below will fit the Mk8 Clubsport wheel? Specifically the Scottsdale as fitted to the Edition 45 GTI.
https://www.kunzmann.de/shop/en/wheels-wheel-hub-cap-chrome-red-vw-golf-7-genuine-volkswagen.htm
I believe they will fit….. because….. I’ve asked about the dynamic centre caps for the Scottsdale wheels, I’ve been told by my dealer they will fit and the ones you’re looking at have the same dimensions (inside and outside) as the dynamic centre caps.
insert small print here…. I’m not 100%, but fairly confident.
Btw. Merry Christmas everyone :smiley:
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Many thanks, I'll risk it, looking ok here ;
https://www.ebay.de/itm/313791658045?hash=item490f70b83d:g:t5AAAOSw-QthQ0hH
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well im back down from week 17 to week 13 now. I'll wait and see if this sticks or not...
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I have given up and canceled my order
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What are you going for instead PROUDTHUNDER?
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I have given up and canceled my order
Presumably not because it was taking too long as you'd said they'd told you 40 weeks from the end of October...
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What are you going for instead PROUDTHUNDER?
probable a JCW (delivery in May)
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I have given up and canceled my order
Presumably not because it was taking too long as you'd said they'd told you 40 weeks from the end of October...
they wont even give an estimated delivery date say it could be 12 months 2023
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Blimey :cry:
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What are you going for instead PROUDTHUNDER?
probable a JCW (delivery in May)
My step brother has a JCW Clubman (M135i in a dress) and it’s very good. A nice package.
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Has anyone actually taken delivery of a Clubsport in 2022?
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There's a leasing thread on Pistonheads where people are reporting deliveries of Clubsports for June 2022, with some people reporting they've been accepted, yet others are being told orders have been snapped up
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=255&t=1955391&i=1600
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Government statistics for Q3 registrations came out on Jan 13th. I don't remember exact numbers as I downloaded while on my laptop but there were about 17 new edition 45 cars and not many more regular Clubsport cars. Obviously Q3 was quite a long time ago now but this seems like a very small number for the whole of the uk. Puts the delays into perspective I suppose but doesn't really help at all.
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I popped in to a dealer last weekend and was told 12-13 month wait for a new Clubsport. One dealer offered 1% off, the other 0.5%
Drive the Deal are currently offering a circa 13% discount (includes VWFS deposit contribution). No idea of the lead time if ordering through DtD but presumably similar to ordering direct from a VW dealer as DtD are merely acting as an introducing broker who’ll put you in touch with the dealer.
DtD’s website does state ‘Quotes and offers are for cars ordered between 1st December 2021 – 31st March 2022 and delivered by 30th September 2022’, so based on the indicated 12-13 month dealer lead time, delivery by 30/09/2022 seems unlikely. Whether that means the discount won’t be honoured, who knows……….
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I wonder what this is going to do for residual values in 3 years time when most people will be trading in for a new car. Buying now with almost 0% from a dealer sound like a nightmare in 3 years. Or on the flip side because there have been so few produced, in 3 years time there will be very little on the market second hand and vaules will be good :nerd:
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I have an interesting question about the lead times…
Are manufacturers such as VW, producing cars now at the past rates but have a large back order they can’t catch up with, or, are the producing less cars slower?
The later explains the price increases and fewer discounts available.
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I have an interesting question about the lead times…
Are manufacturers such as VW, producing cars now at the past rates but have a large back order they can’t catch up with, or, are the producing less cars slower?
The later explains the price increases and fewer discounts available.
I suspect it’s the latter, influenced by factors such as limited supplies of semiconductors and temporary reductions in workforce caused by the Omicron Covid variant. There are probably large stocks of part built cars in storage facilities too (completed apart from missing the vital semiconductors), which will need to be moved back in to the factory to be completed once semiconductor supplies improve.
Also, I suspect that priority is being given to building electric vehicles, as a higher proportion of zero emissions vehicles built and sold as percentage of total sales will mean lower emissions-based fines for VW.
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If they are part building cars and letting them sit while waiting for parts, what are the chances of getting a new car that is effectively almost a year old as it's been sitting there waiting? Potential for it having old hardware in it as well?
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If they are part building cars and letting them sit while waiting for parts, what are the chances of getting a new car that is effectively almost a year old as it's been sitting there waiting? Potential for it having old hardware in it as well?
I’ve read that some manufacturers are doing this, and some are building cars with reduced spec, removing some of the semiconductor-dependant items. Maybe VW aren’t one of those manufacturers though.
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Its all of the things causing a problem.... orders backing up and component shortages.
And VW seem to be handling it very badly indeed.
TBH most of the problem comes from how the car industry works - they "just in timed" it to the Nth degree and massively shat on their suppliers. When they suddenly pulled the plug due to covid and stopped ordering their suppliers finally had enough and sought better deals with customers, drying up the supply to car makers.
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It’s not only VW that are handling it badly but Arnold Clark too. They seem to be getting sh!ty with me for asking for updates (once a month) and the only reason I ask is because they don’t contact me. And it usually takes 2 or 3 emails to get a response.
Every time I contact them they tell me it will be delivered (to the dealer) next month. The last time I contacted them at the start of December they said delivery would be “early to mid January” and I responded saying “are you sure as you tell me that every month” and they replied saying “yes”. They’ve obviously never heard of managing expectations and consistently over promise and under deliver then get annoyed at me.
Considering my company has ordered 30-50 cars of them in the past year they really don’t seem to care.
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It’s not only VW that are handling it badly but Arnold Clark too. They seem to be getting sh!ty with me for asking for updates (once a month) and the only reason I ask is because they don’t contact me. And it usually takes 2 or 3 emails to get a response.
Every time I contact them they tell me it will be delivered (to the dealer) next month. The last time I contacted them at the start of December they said delivery would be “early to mid January” and I responded saying “are you sure as you tell me that every month” and they replied saying “yes”. They’ve obviously never heard of managing expectations and consistently over promise and under deliver then get annoyed at me.
Considering my company has ordered 30-50 cars of them in the past year they really don’t seem to care.
Arnold Clark (AC) get generally poor feedback on many forums. Presumably your car has been built if you’ve been told delivery is imminent.
If I were to give AC the benefit of the doubt, I’d say that delivery of your car to the dealership could have been impacted by potential delivery driver shortages by the haulage companies used by VW to transport new vehicles to dealerships, or by delivery drivers self isolating due to Covid. Agree that AC could manage the situation better and manage customer expectations by providing updates without customers having to prompt them.
Hopefully not too much longer to wait.
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Yeah, I can’t say I’ve ever had a good experience with them to be honest. I don’t understand why manufacturers favour them so heavily in the U.K.
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Got a call from the dealer yesterday that my predicted build week had gone out again and was now sat in May (I didn't bother to ask which week exactly). I ordered on Feb 25th - GTi CS; Moonstone, DCC, Adelaide, HK Audio, Winter pack. I have now cancelled the order, the salesman at the dealer has been pretty decent throughout but my complaints to higher up the organisation seem to have fallen on deaf ears, not a huge surprise all things considered. There was no quibble whatsoever getting my deposit back (as expected).
This would have been my fourth VW group vehicle, all from new - as it is, I have managed to pick up someone else's order cancellation for a BMW M135i with an almost identical options spec, it is being delivered to me this afternoon so not all bad news. My first BMW! I wonder if I'll ever go back and have another VW, I really don't feel like it at the moment.
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Got a call from the dealer yesterday that my predicted build week had gone out again and was now sat in May (I didn't bother to ask which week exactly). I ordered on Feb 25th - GTi CS; Moonstone, DCC, Adelaide, HK Audio, Winter pack. I have now cancelled the order, the salesman at the dealer has been pretty decent throughout but my complaints to higher up the organisation seem to have fallen on deaf ears, not a huge surprise all things considered. There was no quibble whatsoever getting my deposit back (as expected).
This would have been my fourth VW group vehicle, all from new - as it is, I have managed to pick up someone else's order cancellation for a BMW M135i with an almost identical options spec, it is being delivered to me this afternoon so not all bad news. My first BMW! I wonder if I'll ever go back and have another VW, I really don't feel like it at the moment.
I'm in the same position, ordered around the same time and due around the same time. The only thing stopping me canceling is I can't find anything close to the deal i've got for the Golf, so would cost me a lot more a month. No one is offering any discount or deals at the moment.
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Got a call from the dealer yesterday that my predicted build week had gone out again and was now sat in May (I didn't bother to ask which week exactly). I ordered on Feb 25th - GTi CS; Moonstone, DCC, Adelaide, HK Audio, Winter pack. I have now cancelled the order, the salesman at the dealer has been pretty decent throughout but my complaints to higher up the organisation seem to have fallen on deaf ears, not a huge surprise all things considered. There was no quibble whatsoever getting my deposit back (as expected).
This would have been my fourth VW group vehicle, all from new - as it is, I have managed to pick up someone else's order cancellation for a BMW M135i with an almost identical options spec, it is being delivered to me this afternoon so not all bad news. My first BMW! I wonder if I'll ever go back and have another VW, I really don't feel like it at the moment.
I'm in the same position, ordered around the same time and due around the same time. The only thing stopping me canceling is I can't find anything close to the deal i've got for the Golf, so would cost me a lot more a month. No one is offering any discount or deals at the moment.
I did get some discount but the deal wasn't as good as what I had from VW. Three things changed my mind about waiting.
1. VW's predicted build dates have just been lies as far as I can tell. My initial build week was 26, now it's apparently slipped 11 months??? How was the initial build date ever connected to reality? I felt like I was being treated like a fool and that REALLY put me off buying a car from them. In the end I was happy to swallow the extra cost because the BMW is a bit of an upgrade and it was a real tangible thing that I could actually take delivery of.
2. I needed a car, I fund my car payments with a car allowance from work and it's not a good look receiving the money but not having a car! I was lucky with the BMW but I was given confidence that the car existed from when I ordered and communication about status has been amazing, totally puts VW to shame, at least going by my experience.
3. I ordered before the Edition 45 cars were even announced and it's pretty clear those cars have been given priority over the regular Clubsports. Again, I felt like I was being treated like a fool.
I really hope you get your car soon, the waiting has been no fun at all.
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It’s funny that you say they’re treating you like a fool because that’s exactly how I feel. Whenever I contact them I’m made to feel like I’m an inconvenience yet the only reason I contact them is because I get no form of update from them.
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TBH with all of the Mk8 shennanigans I feel like VW are just sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU"
They have just withdrawn to their bunker and are hiding rather than actually talk to their customers.
Problems are problems, we all have them, but its not that there IS a problem, its how you deal with it.
This is like dealing with a petulant child :angry:
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It’s funny that you say they’re treating you like a fool because that’s exactly how I feel. Whenever I contact them I’m made to feel like I’m an inconvenience yet the only reason I contact them is because I get no form of update from them.
This was perhaps the biggest thing that prompted the decision to find an alternative car for me, even if it meant paying a little more. I have always liked VW but this experience totally soured my perception of the brand.
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TBH with all of the Mk8 shennanigans I feel like VW are just sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU"
They have just withdrawn to their bunker and are hiding rather than actually talk to their customers.
Problems are problems, we all have them, but its not that there IS a problem, its how you deal with it.
This is like dealing with a petulant child :angry:
I agree but at the moment it's not affecting them, they can easily fill their capacity with orders. If I cancel my order, the dealer will easily be able to sell the car at the latest list price because it will presumably have a shorter lead time. It's currently all stacked against drivers, the only option I had was to vote with my feet.
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Just landed one on a lease from a batch ordered last year by Inchape. July they are saying. I’m guessing October given our Touareg order has moved back several times.
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According to how many left only 46 clubsports were registered in Q3 last year. Can’t wait to see how many registered in Q4 :laugh:
2021 Q3 677
2021 Q2 631
I can’t find the CS 45 listed separately, so do these figures include the 45?
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According to how many left only 46 clubsports were registered in Q3 last year. Can’t wait to see how many registered in Q4 :laugh:
2021 Q3 677
2021 Q2 631
I can’t find the CS 45 listed separately, so do these figures include the 45?
CS45 is a separate item in the data on www.howmanyleft.co.uk - listed as VOLKSWAGEN GOLF GTI CLUBSPORT 45 TSI S-A. Figures for the ED45 below;
(https://i.postimg.cc/C5b6tTm2/17289039-2-FC2-454-C-A251-E21-BD46-A6-CCB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/D4ygJDVQ)
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I called VW in Romford, Essex for an update. My order from last year had a delivery date indication of March 2022 and was told that the build week was 27, with delivery likely to be September but no guarantee.
I'm seriously considering cancelling my order and just buying a runabout with the equity I have in the current PCP car and re-evaluate at the end of the year.
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According to how many left only 46 clubsports were registered in Q3 last year. Can’t wait to see how many registered in Q4 :laugh:
2021 Q3 677
2021 Q2 631
I can’t find the CS 45 listed separately, so do these figures include the 45?
CS45 is a separate item in the data on www.howmanyleft.co.uk - listed as VOLKSWAGEN GOLF GTI CLUBSPORT 45 TSI S-A. Figures for the ED45 below;
(https://i.postimg.cc/C5b6tTm2/17289039-2-FC2-454-C-A251-E21-BD46-A6-CCB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/D4ygJDVQ)
It seems there were very few UK Clubsport cars registered in the UK in Q3 in either flavour. Anecdotally, looking at the ED45 order thread it does seem like these cars were receiving priority and if this is the case, it should show in the Q4 numbers when they are released.
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Just been given week 26, ordered last June
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Is that a confirmed build week?
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Just been given week 26, ordered last June
Imagine waiting a year for a Golf :lipsrsealed:
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Just been given week 26, ordered last June
Imagine waiting a year for a Golf :lipsrsealed:
Could be worse, you are currently waiting 4 years for a RAV4...
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Just been given week 26, ordered last June
Imagine waiting a year for a Golf :lipsrsealed:
Could be worse, you are currently waiting 4 years for a RAV4...
Im not mate :laugh:
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Could be worse, you are currently waiting 4 years for a RAV4...
Are the microprocessors imported from Jupiter?
Unbelievable.
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Not a Clubsport but still relevant . Ordered a manual GTI 13th Sept 2021, just been given a build date of week 42 . week commencing 17th Oct 22. Bonkers :angry: :angry:
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My update last week was build week 13, ordered June 2021. It has gone 4 - 8 - 12 so far already. Wondering if the dealer is just giving me lottery numbers :grin:
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Cancelled my order. Not due to the lead time but due to the attitude of Arnold Clark and VW. I’ve been a VW owner my whole life and the way I’ve been treated since i ordered this car has been abysmal. Put me off VW for life.
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What’s your plan B now you’ve actually cancelled JRR?
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I don't think dealers will care about anyone canceling orders as they know once that car arrives they can sell it on for a profit instantly. They should however care that returning customers will stop returning.
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What’s your plan B now you’ve actually cancelled JRR?
Yes, thats the problem...short of buying something used... which of course is expensive because everyone else is doing the same..
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Cancelled my order. Not due to the lead time but due to the attitude of Arnold Clark and VW. I’ve been a VW owner my whole life and the way I’ve been treated since i ordered this car has been abysmal. Put me off VW for life.
This was so much of the reason I cancelled mine too. My dealer was sympathetic and understanding but they couldn't do anything about it and couldn't get any information out of VW. My experience has also put me off ordering another VW in the future.
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What’s your plan B now you’ve actually cancelled JRR?
Hmm tough question. My shortlist and budget is a bit all over the place, I have another daily so it doesn’t really need to do that but I do like cars that are good at multiple things.
M2 Competition Auto
M140i 3 door Auto
M335d or M335i Estate
718 Cayman S or old 981 GTS (3.4L) PDK
2011 997 Carrera S RWD/PDK
2013 C63 Estate Performance Pack
Alpine A110
New A45S
New RS3
I30 N Auto
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I don't think dealers will care about anyone canceling orders as they know once that car arrives they can sell it on for a profit instantly. They should however care that returning customers will stop returning.
Yeah completely agree but i don’t think there will be any going back for me. To be honest I was never really that sold on the interior / infotainment on the MK8 and VW aren’t really making anything else I’m interested in, especially the ID range (apart from the Buzz)
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I don't think dealers will care about anyone canceling orders as they know once that car arrives they can sell it on for a profit instantly. They should however care that returning customers will stop returning.
Yeah completely agree but i don’t think there will be any going back for me. To be honest I was never really that sold on the interior / infotainment on the MK8 and VW aren’t really making anything else I’m interested in, especially the ID range (apart from the Buzz)
That's quite a list JRR!
Some real humdingers there and I guess ultimately it'll come down to what suits you and what you want to pay.
It's a shame that the last few years of ICE are being blighted by supply problems which are preventing some from enjoying the roads.
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well my estimated week changed to week 19 2 weeks ago and has already changed to week 23 today. 18 months for a golf.
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well my estimated week changed to week 19 2 weeks ago and has already changed to week 23 today. 18 months for a golf.
Didn't you order back in Jan '21 WelshGolf?
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Cancelled my order. Not due to the lead time but due to the attitude of Arnold Clark and VW. I’ve been a VW owner my whole life and the way I’ve been treated since i ordered this car has been abysmal. Put me off VW for life.
You do realise that Arnold Clark is a separate franchise and has an appalling reputation within UK car sales? Not entirely sure what you expected, or why it’s VW’s fault?!
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well my estimated week changed to week 19 2 weeks ago and has already changed to week 23 today. 18 months for a golf.
Didn't you order back in Jan '21 WelshGolf?
Yes. Jan/Feb.
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Cancelled my order. Not due to the lead time but due to the attitude of Arnold Clark and VW. I’ve been a VW owner my whole life and the way I’ve been treated since i ordered this car has been abysmal. Put me off VW for life.
You do realise that Arnold Clark is a separate franchise and has an appalling reputation within UK car sales? Not entirely sure what you expected, or why it’s VW’s fault?!
Yeah I realise that, I used to work for them. They’re representing VW in a lot of the U.K. so maybe VW need to make a change.
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well my estimated week changed to week 19 2 weeks ago and has already changed to week 23 today. 18 months for a golf.
Didn't you order back in Jan '21 WelshGolf?
Yes. Jan/Feb.
That's absolutely awful. No thoughts on cancelling?
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well my estimated week changed to week 19 2 weeks ago and has already changed to week 23 today. 18 months for a golf.
Didn't you order back in Jan '21 WelshGolf?
Yes. Jan/Feb.
That's absolutely awful. No thoughts on cancelling?
It has crossed my mind however I wouldn't be better off anywhere else. At the moment no one can come close to the deal I have on the CS as no one is offering discounts. My deal was done pre all this crap, so that kind of deal doesn't exist at the moment and probably won't for a while.
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Just thought I’d update the thread for any new people stopping by
Spent some time in various VW dealerships this weekend. All told me a performance golf ordered now is 18+ months for delivery
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That’s insane.. my car is 4 years old next month with 60k miles. If I order a car now, I might get it in autumn 2023…
How do they account for p/x values so far in advance ?
They are essentially guessing what the used market will do and they are no longer guaranteeing values when you work out your px and finance quote, so anything could happen. I spoke at length to a few sales managers and they really don’t see this situation improving till the very end of 2022. Even a bog standard golf is a 1 year wait if ordered now
I went to Ford aswell. They are only building Puma’s right now and a bog standard focus is likely to be 1 year
I sold my GTI yesterday to a main dealer who matched WBAC. 3 years old and I got 1.5k less than what I paid for it - the vw dealer was just desperate for the stock. They aren’t allowed to sell the demo cars and they sold most of the showroom stock
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TBH Ford weren't much better than VW in the first place.
Before I bought my Mk8 I got some quotes on a Focus ST.... it was 6 months plus and the discounts were really low even through DTD or CarWow. That was pre-covid too!
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The situation seems to be getting worse, not better. I walked past my local VW dealer the other evening and they had only one (used) car inside the showroom!
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Not that I feel complaining will get me anywhere, but has anyone tried to raise this further than customer services? Currently customer services are doing a copy paste answer to do with global supply issues and refuse to answer any specific questions.
Is there anyone anyone beyond customer services that could answer more specific questions. An email address for a real person?
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Not that I feel complaining will get me anywhere, but has anyone tried to raise this further than customer services? Currently customer services are doing a copy paste answer to do with global supply issues and refuse to answer any specific questions.
Is there anyone anyone beyond customer services that could answer more specific questions. An email address for a real person?
I believe the best tactic for improving one's personal situation would be to get a journalist to focus on it. The problem is that there's a general consensus that all manufacturers are affected more or less equally, and any journalist with an interest in VW would presumably see publishing this kind of thing as a risk if it casts VW in a poor light.
However, I do think the apparent priority for the CS45 cars in the production queue is really bad treatment of anyone who has ordered a CS (or presumably std. GTI and R). So that is the angle I would use as anecdotally it appears that VW are not making cars in the same, or even a similar sequence to the orders they received. Thus, any customer who orders today is essentially at the behest of the VW planners, AS WELL AS the acute component shortages the whole industry is facing. Who's to say they won't suddenly decide to prioritise another model over your order?
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Not that I feel complaining will get me anywhere, but has anyone tried to raise this further than customer services? Currently customer services are doing a copy paste answer to do with global supply issues and refuse to answer any specific questions.
Is there anyone anyone beyond customer services that could answer more specific questions. An email address for a real person?
I believe the best tactic for improving one's personal situation would be to get a journalist to focus on it. The problem is that there's a general consensus that all manufacturers are affected more or less equally, and any journalist with an interest in VW would presumably see publishing this kind of thing as a risk if it casts VW in a poor light.
However, I do think the apparent priority for the CS45 cars in the production queue is really bad treatment of anyone who has ordered a CS (or presumably std. GTI and R). So that is the angle I would use as anecdotally it appears that VW are not making cars in the same, or even a similar sequence to the orders they received. Thus, any customer who orders today is essentially at the behest of the VW planners, AS WELL AS the acute component shortages the whole industry is facing. Who's to say they won't suddenly decide to prioritise another model over your order?
Is there any 'law' or even moral obligation for a manufacturer to treat all orders as equal? It doesn't help the customer, we know, but I would think it highly likely (in normal times and perhaps even more so now) that orders/production/delivery is based on max profit primarily.
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You've always got bumped around on factory orders.... depending on where your order was placed through.
Its just that now what might have been a couple of months extra delay is 6 months on top of what is already a problem.
My guess with the CS45's is that they need them out of the door as they were planned for a single build run - not inserting randomnly into the production line.
Under normal circumstances that probably would have taken the Golf production line a week or two to complete.... these days...
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Not that I feel complaining will get me anywhere, but has anyone tried to raise this further than customer services? Currently customer services are doing a copy paste answer to do with global supply issues and refuse to answer any specific questions.
Is there anyone anyone beyond customer services that could answer more specific questions. An email address for a real person?
I believe the best tactic for improving one's personal situation would be to get a journalist to focus on it. The problem is that there's a general consensus that all manufacturers are affected more or less equally, and any journalist with an interest in VW would presumably see publishing this kind of thing as a risk if it casts VW in a poor light.
However, I do think the apparent priority for the CS45 cars in the production queue is really bad treatment of anyone who has ordered a CS (or presumably std. GTI and R). So that is the angle I would use as anecdotally it appears that VW are not making cars in the same, or even a similar sequence to the orders they received. Thus, any customer who orders today is essentially at the behest of the VW planners, AS WELL AS the acute component shortages the whole industry is facing. Who's to say they won't suddenly decide to prioritise another model over your order?
Is there any 'law' or even moral obligation for a manufacturer to treat all orders as equal? It doesn't help the customer, we know, but I would think it highly likely (in normal times and perhaps even more so now) that orders/production/delivery is based on max profit primarily.
Agree. VW’s suppliers is also likely to be a factor in when specific vehicles are scheduled for production, and many of VW’s component / parts manufacturers will also be affected by the same issues as VW (e.g. semiconductor supplies, Covid impacts on workforce). If suppliers have issues in fulfilling orders to VW for certain model-specific parts / components, then the build of other vehicles not needing those parts are likely to be given priority.
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Not that I feel complaining will get me anywhere, but has anyone tried to raise this further than customer services? Currently customer services are doing a copy paste answer to do with global supply issues and refuse to answer any specific questions.
Is there anyone anyone beyond customer services that could answer more specific questions. An email address for a real person?
I believe the best tactic for improving one's personal situation would be to get a journalist to focus on it. The problem is that there's a general consensus that all manufacturers are affected more or less equally, and any journalist with an interest in VW would presumably see publishing this kind of thing as a risk if it casts VW in a poor light.
However, I do think the apparent priority for the CS45 cars in the production queue is really bad treatment of anyone who has ordered a CS (or presumably std. GTI and R). So that is the angle I would use as anecdotally it appears that VW are not making cars in the same, or even a similar sequence to the orders they received. Thus, any customer who orders today is essentially at the behest of the VW planners, AS WELL AS the acute component shortages the whole industry is facing. Who's to say they won't suddenly decide to prioritise another model over your order?
Is there any 'law' or even moral obligation for a manufacturer to treat all orders as equal? It doesn't help the customer, we know, but I would think it highly likely (in normal times and perhaps even more so now) that orders/production/delivery is based on max profit primarily.
I'm not aware of any law but I don't think there needs to be. Any supplier of pretty much anything that messes about with customers in such a way can expect to lose business to their competitors. The problem needs to be big enough to affect a large number of customers, or outrageous enough to be considered remarkable to get anything done about it I would think.
fredgroves is probably correct, but I also still think if this is the case, communication would have been helpful and given customers an option to take an informed decision. It's obvious why they didn't communicate - because they would have been looking at a lot of cancelled orders - but this is just not right in my opinion. I will not be rushing to a VW dealer for my next car.
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I'm not aware of any law but I don't think there needs to be. Any supplier of pretty much anything that messes about with customers in such a way can expect to lose business to their competitors. The problem needs to be big enough to affect a large number of customers, or outrageous enough to be considered remarkable to get anything done about it I would think.
fredgroves is probably correct, but I also still think if this is the case, communication would have been helpful and given customers an option to take an informed decision. It's obvious why they didn't communicate - because they would have been looking at a lot of cancelled orders - but this is just not right in my opinion. I will not be rushing to a VW dealer for my next car.
Agree that communication could be better, and IMHO VW have never been good at communication.
The current situation of very long lead times is affecting pretty much all car manufacturers, so I dare say many customers are reluctant to cancel, as ordering an alternative vehicle from another manufacturer is likely to mean going to the back of the queue and facing a similarly long wait. The other alternative might be to try and find a nearly new car. However, with demand for nearly new cars being high and dealer stocks low, used sale prices will almost certainly carry a price premium.
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I'm not aware of any law but I don't think there needs to be. Any supplier of pretty much anything that messes about with customers in such a way can expect to lose business to their competitors. The problem needs to be big enough to affect a large number of customers, or outrageous enough to be considered remarkable to get anything done about it I would think.
fredgroves is probably correct, but I also still think if this is the case, communication would have been helpful and given customers an option to take an informed decision. It's obvious why they didn't communicate - because they would have been looking at a lot of cancelled orders - but this is just not right in my opinion. I will not be rushing to a VW dealer for my next car.
Agree that communication could be better, and IMHO VW have never been good at communication.
The current situation of very long lead times is affecting pretty much all car manufacturers, so I dare say many customers are reluctant to cancel, as ordering an alternative vehicle from another manufacturer is likely to mean going to the back of the queue and facing a similarly long wait. The other alternative might be to try and find a nearly new car. However, with demand for nearly new cars being high and dealer stocks low, used sale prices will almost certainly carry a price premium.
Yes, but VW is the only manufacturer who appear to be making people wait for their order at the expense of a special edition in addition to the delays. I believe our friend WelshGolf ordered his car before the CS45 was even announced, I was in this position too and it's pretty galling over on the equivalent CS45 thread seeing people taking delivery months before your 99% similar car has even been built. If this point could be publicised, VW may actually help him by delivering the car so he stops embarrassing them. I realise this is a long shot, but other than finding an alternative vehicle or waiting, I don't see another option.
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You are correct regarding the CS45. I ordered in May and hopefully collecting next week (currently on route to the dealer).
I do get why they prioritised in this way, a special edition is worthless to VW if it’s 3 years late. But I 100% get your frustrations too and would also be annoyed in your position.
I actually originally enquired about the clubsport and it’s only because a dealer was saying “have you not seen the 45?” that I then looked and subsequently ordered, I suppose I’ve been lucky in that regard.
It’s the false promises of a year ago that annoy me the most, I was quoted September/October delivery then had unscheduled build after unscheduled build. At least the dealers are being honest with new enquiries now and quoting 18 months.
I hope this post isn’t taken the wrong way, I fully sympathise with all of you that currently have a long wait ahead of you.
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Out of interest, when a dealer confirms the build week, has anyone had that move or is that set in stone when confirmed?
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You are correct regarding the CS45. I ordered in May and hopefully collecting next week (currently on route to the dealer).
I do get why they prioritised in this way, a special edition is worthless to VW if it’s 3 years late. But I 100% get your frustrations too and would also be annoyed in your position.
I actually originally enquired about the clubsport and it’s only because a dealer was saying “have you not seen the 45?” that I then looked and subsequently ordered, I suppose I’ve been lucky in that regard.
It’s the false promises of a year ago that annoy me the most, I was quoted September/October delivery then had unscheduled build after unscheduled build. At least the dealers are being honest with new enquiries now and quoting 18 months.
I hope this post isn’t taken the wrong way, I fully sympathise with all of you that currently have a long wait ahead of you.
I'm sure nobody would object to CS45 owners getting cars delivered, it's good for you to confirm here that your lead time was *only* 9 months.
I agree the false promises are really irresponsible. When my order was live I received build weeks of 26, 36, 44, 45, 4, 11, 13, and finally May (didn't bother to ask which week). The decent deal that I got when I ordered and the constant "hopefully this will be the last time it moves" really got to me and actually cost me money because my prior car eventually had to go back to the lease company and I had to buy a runabout to cover the gap. In the end I simply realised I was being treated like a fool and if I carried on playing their game I was kind of behaving like one too. After this realisation I found I had gone right off the car and the brand in general!!
It is good that dealers are now quoting 18 months, I ended up feeling quite sorry for the salesman who always called me to deliver the bad news that my order had moved again. No doubt many will not order in the first place with such a long lead time but all VW should be interested in is filling their capacity and I would wager that demand is such that they can achieve this regardless. At least customers' expectations are being properly set.
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I'm not aware of any law but I don't think there needs to be. Any supplier of pretty much anything that messes about with customers in such a way can expect to lose business to their competitors. The problem needs to be big enough to affect a large number of customers, or outrageous enough to be considered remarkable to get anything done about it I would think.
fredgroves is probably correct, but I also still think if this is the case, communication would have been helpful and given customers an option to take an informed decision. It's obvious why they didn't communicate - because they would have been looking at a lot of cancelled orders - but this is just not right in my opinion. I will not be rushing to a VW dealer for my next car.
Agree that communication could be better, and IMHO VW have never been good at communication.
The current situation of very long lead times is affecting pretty much all car manufacturers, so I dare say many customers are reluctant to cancel, as ordering an alternative vehicle from another manufacturer is likely to mean going to the back of the queue and facing a similarly long wait. The other alternative might be to try and find a nearly new car. However, with demand for nearly new cars being high and dealer stocks low, used sale prices will almost certainly carry a price premium.
Yes, but VW is the only manufacturer who appear to be making people wait for their order at the expense of a special edition in addition to the delays. I believe our friend WelshGolf ordered his car before the CS45 was even announced, I was in this position too and it's pretty galling over on the equivalent CS45 thread seeing people taking delivery months before your 99% similar car has even been built. If this point could be publicised, VW may actually help him by delivering the car so he stops embarrassing them. I realise this is a long shot, but other than finding an alternative vehicle or waiting, I don't see another option.
The temptation is there to take this further but VW aren't giving in to anything at the moment. Any contact I make with them now is replied with the same word for word generic response. The email also states that the message has been logged and probably won't be replied to as they can't help me further.
I fully understand that there is much more to scheduling builds than it being first come first serve but I can't believe that the magical parts they are waiting for my car are 12 months delayed. Any other time I would of told them to stuff their order but if I do that now i'm the one that looses out.
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Hello all,
New here :smiley:
For the record, I ordered a Clubsport in August, currently being quoted March build. I'll be doing fairly high mileage so didn't want the 19" wheels, this ended up being a stock car with no options...
From what others are saying I guess the build week is fairly optimistic. I'll keep you posted.
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Hello! i'd probably say that is optimistic unless it was an order in the system already. Some people, myself included, ordered at the start of 2021 and won't get it until after March. I'm currently looking at June/July time!
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Unfortunately I would agree, my (now cancelled) order was placed in Feb 2021 and at the point when I cancelled almost a month ago had an unconfirmed May build week. Standard car without options should help a little I guess though.
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I'm not aware of any law but I don't think there needs to be. Any supplier of pretty much anything that messes about with customers in such a way can expect to lose business to their competitors. The problem needs to be big enough to affect a large number of customers, or outrageous enough to be considered remarkable to get anything done about it I would think.
fredgroves is probably correct, but I also still think if this is the case, communication would have been helpful and given customers an option to take an informed decision. It's obvious why they didn't communicate - because they would have been looking at a lot of cancelled orders - but this is just not right in my opinion. I will not be rushing to a VW dealer for my next car.
Agree that communication could be better, and IMHO VW have never been good at communication.
The current situation of very long lead times is affecting pretty much all car manufacturers, so I dare say many customers are reluctant to cancel, as ordering an alternative vehicle from another manufacturer is likely to mean going to the back of the queue and facing a similarly long wait. The other alternative might be to try and find a nearly new car. However, with demand for nearly new cars being high and dealer stocks low, used sale prices will almost certainly carry a price premium.
Yes, but VW is the only manufacturer who appear to be making people wait for their order at the expense of a special edition in addition to the delays. I believe our friend WelshGolf ordered his car before the CS45 was even announced, I was in this position too and it's pretty galling over on the equivalent CS45 thread seeing people taking delivery months before your 99% similar car has even been built. If this point could be publicised, VW may actually help him by delivering the car so he stops embarrassing them. I realise this is a long shot, but other than finding an alternative vehicle or waiting, I don't see another option.
The temptation is there to take this further but VW aren't giving in to anything at the moment. Any contact I make with them now is replied with the same word for word generic response. The email also states that the message has been logged and probably won't be replied to as they can't help me further.
I fully understand that there is much more to scheduling builds than it being first come first serve but I can't believe that the magical parts they are waiting for my car are 12 months delayed. Any other time I would of told them to stuff their order but if I do that now i'm the one that looses out.
Clearly nobody is going to give you a satisfactory answer through the normal channels, it's absolutely clear the parts are being consumed by other cars which VW have deemed to be high enough priority to jump the queue ahead of yours. I understand that you probably have a much better deal than is currently available now but don't you feel they're just taking the pi** out of you? This is how I felt and whilst there were other factors to manage, I just couldn't abide being treated in this way so felt I had to vote with my feet. I am paying a little more for the car I bought but I felt the cost was worthwhile to maintain dignity and to get an actual vehicle rather than empty promises. VW could come clean to you and tell you why the car hasn't been built yet, this is a choice by them to keep you hanging on. Obviously the choice is yours and yes other car companies are facing similar issues but I was able to find a car, go for a test drive, adopt an order that was previously cancelled by another customer, and take delivery of the car in less than a month. And I did get some discount.
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I'm not aware of any law but I don't think there needs to be. Any supplier of pretty much anything that messes about with customers in such a way can expect to lose business to their competitors. The problem needs to be big enough to affect a large number of customers, or outrageous enough to be considered remarkable to get anything done about it I would think.
fredgroves is probably correct, but I also still think if this is the case, communication would have been helpful and given customers an option to take an informed decision. It's obvious why they didn't communicate - because they would have been looking at a lot of cancelled orders - but this is just not right in my opinion. I will not be rushing to a VW dealer for my next car.
Agree that communication could be better, and IMHO VW have never been good at communication.
The current situation of very long lead times is affecting pretty much all car manufacturers, so I dare say many customers are reluctant to cancel, as ordering an alternative vehicle from another manufacturer is likely to mean going to the back of the queue and facing a similarly long wait. The other alternative might be to try and find a nearly new car. However, with demand for nearly new cars being high and dealer stocks low, used sale prices will almost certainly carry a price premium.
Yes, but VW is the only manufacturer who appear to be making people wait for their order at the expense of a special edition in addition to the delays. I believe our friend WelshGolf ordered his car before the CS45 was even announced, I was in this position too and it's pretty galling over on the equivalent CS45 thread seeing people taking delivery months before your 99% similar car has even been built. If this point could be publicised, VW may actually help him by delivering the car so he stops embarrassing them. I realise this is a long shot, but other than finding an alternative vehicle or waiting, I don't see another option.
The temptation is there to take this further but VW aren't giving in to anything at the moment. Any contact I make with them now is replied with the same word for word generic response. The email also states that the message has been logged and probably won't be replied to as they can't help me further.
I fully understand that there is much more to scheduling builds than it being first come first serve but I can't believe that the magical parts they are waiting for my car are 12 months delayed. Any other time I would of told them to stuff their order but if I do that now i'm the one that looses out.
Clearly nobody is going to give you a satisfactory answer through the normal channels, it's absolutely clear the parts are being consumed by other cars which VW have deemed to be high enough priority to jump the queue ahead of yours. I understand that you probably have a much better deal than is currently available now but don't you feel they're just taking the pi** out of you? This is how I felt and whilst there were other factors to manage, I just couldn't abide being treated in this way so felt I had to vote with my feet. I am paying a little more for the car I bought but I felt the cost was worthwhile to maintain dignity and to get an actual vehicle rather than empty promises. VW could come clean to you and tell you why the car hasn't been built yet, this is a choice by them to keep you hanging on. Obviously the choice is yours and yes other car companies are facing similar issues but I was able to find a car, go for a test drive, adopt an order that was previously cancelled by another customer, and take delivery of the car in less than a month. And I did get some discount.
Absolutely feel like they are taking pi** as they are holding all the cards at the moment. They wouldn't care at all if I or anyone canceled their order at the moment as they will sell that order on instantly to someone else. I'm in the lucky position at the moment that I don't need the car, so can afford to wait, I just don't like being lied to and being pushed to the back of the queue behind other orders.
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Just been given week 26, ordered last June
Looked for an update today... BW has been removed 🤦♂️
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Just been given week 26, ordered last June
Looked for an update today... BW has been removed 🤦♂️
Spoke to my salesperson yesterday, i'm still on week 23 but she did say other orders have moved along 15 weeks!
Also, I queried the price rise and how it would change what I pay for road tax if it went over £40k. I've been assured that because I ordered before the price rises (and don't amend my order) it won't change it. I'm skeptical of this but have it in writing from them so I have something to fall back on.
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Just been given week 26, ordered last June
Looked for an update today... BW has been removed 🤦♂️
Spoke to my salesperson yesterday, i'm still on week 23 but she did say other orders have moved along 15 weeks!
Also, I queried the price rise and how it would change what I pay for road tax if it went over £40k. I've been assured that because I ordered before the price rises (and don't amend my order) it won't change it. I'm skeptical of this but have it in writing from them so I have something to fall back on.
Well, she's wrong for a start....the VED for your car will be calculated based on the list price of the car at the time of registration, not at the time of order. The price you are paying for the car may be price protected, but the VED is another matter, and not one that she can change the rules for.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/534511/ved-reform-briefing-for-motor-industry.pdf
(https://i.postimg.cc/C5F4HVFg/screenshot-2022-03-04-at-16-17-19-png-8916.webp) (https://postimg.cc/XGzF4mGH)
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Just been given week 26, ordered last June
Looked for an update today... BW has been removed 🤦♂️
Spoke to my salesperson yesterday, i'm still on week 23 but she did say other orders have moved along 15 weeks!
Also, I queried the price rise and how it would change what I pay for road tax if it went over £40k. I've been assured that because I ordered before the price rises (and don't amend my order) it won't change it. I'm skeptical of this but have it in writing from them so I have something to fall back on.
Well, she's wrong for a start....the VED for your car will be calculated based on the list price of the car at the time of registration, not at the time of order. The price you are paying for the car may be price protected, but the VED is another matter, and not one that she can change the rules for.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/534511/ved-reform-briefing-for-motor-industry.pdf
(https://i.postimg.cc/C5F4HVFg/screenshot-2022-03-04-at-16-17-19-png-8916.webp) (https://postimg.cc/XGzF4mGH)
Yep. Exactly what I thought and what worried me. I have it in writing that I won’t pay extra so let’s see where they stand with this when the time comes.
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So it’s 11 months since I placed my order via DTD and took on an active order number already in the dealers system. I’ve been asking for updates each month and every time the estimated build weeks slips. Last months update was an estimated build week in May (wk 19). I’m afraid to ask this month for fear of it being later. (And after seeing Joe Achilles get his new m3 comp come in four months it’s particularly annoying VW are still so slow to get through their order backlog).
Complaint over - I’m mulling risking further delay by changing my order - if I even can - what do people think about it. Changes I’m considering
1) changing the wheels from diamond cut Estorils to Black Estorils (ie might look better, not for white worm/curbing concerns - Joe A new M3 was another nudge….)
2) removing some of the options et Park Assist which I threw in on a whim as was £200 and thought why not. Would it actually make a difference to lead time do we think?
Reminder I’ve gone for Dolphin https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=288137.0
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Maybe just get a BMW Kenis, less wait time and better built!
Mind you with even further supply issues it might even out between marques with none of them getting sufficient parts for quite some time.
Unfortunately there’s no transparency with orders so it’s impossible to know whether there are supplies or stock of certain modules and looms that might make a difference to production schedules.
As for the wheels, the polished Estorils visually appear bigger but the black ones look more sporty. I’d go black on a Clubsport.
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@Kenis; Lots of potential for disruption to the supply chain between parts/component manufacturers and vehicle manufacturers at present (Covid, semiconductor shortages, Ukraine conflict). Based on the article at the link below, vehicle production at VW’s Wolfsburg factory where the Golf is built has been halted ‘for at least two weeks’ due to supply chain disruption.
https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/vw-brings-forward-ukraine-related-production-stoppage
This was also posted over on golfmk8.com forum yesterday;
(https://i.postimg.cc/gJJFzQTs/2-BAF4-E78-CCC4-4-C7-F-AE82-9-FE01-B05-CD0-F.png) (https://postimg.cc/R3jbGs9J)
As for making changes to your spec - In ‘normal’ times, it used to be that once VW confirms a scheduled build week for a car, it effectively means the build of that car is ‘locked’ into production and no changes could be made to the spec of that car; if the customer wanted to make changes, it would mean starting the order process again from scratch. The exception to this being an allocation grab - i.e. if a dealer has either a demo vehicle on order for themselves or a cancelled customer order that’s not yet locked into production, it might be possible to make certain spec changes to that order to the customer’s requirements and allocate that car to the customer.
However, we’re not in normal times as far as car production is concerned, so even though you placed your order 11 months ago and you’ve only ever been given an estimate build week rather than a confirmed one, it might be possible to change your car’s spec without affecting its place in the production queue. It’d be worth speaking to your dealer; in your position though, I’d not want to do anything that’s likely to result in further delays to your car’s build.
Alternatively, as @Exonian has said, consider getting a BMW! :smiley:
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I got offered a 2 door 3 series once by my then girlfriends dad as he was getting rid and needed loads of work, turned it down and connected him to a mate (who then became a bmw convert - got rid of his mk1 gti) and my dad gifted me his white 3 series 4 door….but I sold it straight away to buy a new kitchen!
Long way of saying I don’t think I’ll ever own a bmw :grin:
Very tempted by the black wheels though…. they weren’t an option when I first ordered.
Hadn’t seen the shut down announcement….another blow and would be really annoyed if changing the wheels or removing park assist or something else pushed it to the back of the queue.
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BMW statement a matter of 48 hours ago…….
Statement from BMW UK
“The unfolding situation in Ukraine is causing us all great concern and dismay. As a company, we condemn the aggression against this country.
The situation in the crisis region remains unclear. Governments have now implemented far-reaching sanctions, which we fully support. The war in Ukraine also has a significant impact on the country’s automotive supply industry. These supply limitations are leading to production adjustments and downtimes at our production plants.
Together with our suppliers, we are assessing the situation and defining measures to secure production again as soon as possible.
At this point in time, it is too early to assess the consequences on customer deliveries, and we will keep you updated with key developments.”
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Got another update yesterday was week 13 now moved to week 22. Ordered June 21. Just paid out on a MOT and service on my current car (Scirocco) and for a new rear shock which I wasn't expecting to have to do. Mentioned to dealer that had my new car been delivered when I was originally quoted these are costs I wouldn't have had but he really wasn't interested. Standard line "its out of my hands" the delays.
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Decided to cancel my lease order. When I signed up the cars had been ordered in a batch in June 2021 and I was told June 2022 delivery. This is now Nov 2022 but at a stretch and to expect realistically early 2023.
Its a shame as the deal is fantastic at 1x35 £359 fully maintained but I cannot keep my 8 series beyond end of Oct and cannot be without a car.
Plus im sure the mk8 facelift is due 2023 (happy to be corrected!)
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Decided to cancel my lease order. When I signed up the cars had been ordered in a batch in June 2021 and I was told June 2022 delivery. This is now Nov 2022 but at a stretch and to expect realistically early 2023.
Its a shame as the deal is fantastic at 1x35 £359 fully maintained but I cannot keep my 8 series beyond end of Oct and cannot be without a car.
Plus im sure the mk8 facelift is due 2023 (happy to be corrected!)
Volkswagen models have a life span on roughly 8 years with a facelift half way.
There for at the earliest I wouldn’t be expecting any facelift golf until at least early 2024 which would be 4 years from launch…..
However taking into account Covid delays the Golf never really launched until mid-end of 2020 so likely to be mid/end of 2024.
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There for at the earliest I wouldn’t be expecting any facelift golf until at least early 2024 which would be 4 years from launch…..
However taking into account Covid delays the Golf never really launched until mid-end of 2020 so likely to be mid/end of 2024.
So order now :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Evening!
With my procastination of Clubsport or R being potentially resolved by next month's price increase.
I was wondering if any of you that had recently placed UK orders for a Clubsport were able to advise if you've ordered the Pearl Black roof please? I know this was originally only on the CS45, but there was rumour of it becoming a standard Clubsport option from build week 48 2021.
DTD and carwow have the black pearl roof option on their configurators, but the 'official' VW UK configurator doesn't (I know the UK configurator isn't known for its accuracy sometimes :rolleyes:).
So I'm wondering if DTD and CarWow have just based their web form on the German VW Clubsport configurator where a pearl black roof is available. Sales at my local dealership have told me if it's not on the UK configurator you can't have it, but thought I'd ask in the Clubsport order thread, as someone may know differently.
Cheers
Bluto
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Is it no longer possible to download brochures from the VW website?
I always found them far more reliable than the website configurator.
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Is it no longer possible to download brochures from the VW website?
I always found them far more reliable than the website configurator.
Like you I found the brochures more useful. The PDF pricelist disappeared a few months ago, with a message on the UK VW website saying that VW were discontinuing the downloadable version of the price list and Golf brochure, with the details now being part of the website itself or configurator.
The only brochure that is available to download now (that I can find) is the accessories brochure.
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Is it no longer possible to download brochures from the VW website?
I always found them far more reliable than the website configurator.
Like you I found the brochures more useful. The PDF pricelist disappeared a few months ago, with a message on the UK VW website saying that VW were discontinuing the downloadable version of the price list and Golf brochure, with the details now being part of the website itself or configurator.
The only brochure that is available to download now (that I can find) is the accessories brochure.
The September 2021 brochure (the last one produced?) for the mk8 Golf is at the link below;
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/files/live/sites/vwuk/files/pdf/Brochures/golf-8-brochure-pricelist-p11d.pdf
As far as I can see, in Sept last year there was no reference to a pearlescent black (Deep black pearl?) roof for either the Clubsport 45 or GTI Clubsport models in the brochure, although it’s possible VW may have introduced a black roof option since then. Standard spec for the CS45 states it has a Gloss black (not pearl black) roof and door mirror covers.
If I was ordering a GTI Clubsport and wanted a black roof, I’d just get it vinyl wrapped; probably cheaper than it would be to spec a black roof option from the factory if indeed VW do offer one.
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I ordered my clubsport (pure white) a couple of weeks ago, god knows if I will ever see it, anyway, when I ordered it the black roof was not an option and like SRGTD mentions, I’m just going to have mine wrapped instead and like SRGTD also said, likely to be miles cheaper than if Vw spec’d it.
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Thanks for the replies on this query, appreciate those.
Yes SRGTD I think September 2021 was the last Mk8 Golf pricelist I was able to download. On the German VW site the roof paint is listed as Deep Black Perleffekt at €360 (see screengrab below). Interestingly Harman Kardon is still available to choose too, guess the German market will be last to have those pulled if the chip shortages continue.
Thanks Boothy1979, I'm sure your car will eventually arrive! I am looking at spec'ing a Pure White likes yours but with a pan roof. Not had a sunroof since my Mk4 GTI. I personally thought having the remaining roof black would tie in with the fitted sunroof, hence my query on this.
Looks like I'll be getting some quotes then as vinyl seems to be the UK black roof option method or buy a second hand CS45. :smiley:
Cheers
Bluto
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I’ve found in the past the broker spec sheets are often updated with spec changes shortly before VW put them live on their official channels. So the black roof might well go live with the April price rises. It’s not like the roof paint needs an extra microprocessor adding to the car…
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The black roof with Clubsport option has been on DTD for ages.(at least 3 months) Not sure how it would be when it came down to actually ordering though
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As far as I can see, in Sept last year there was no reference to a pearlescent black (Deep black pearl?) roof for either the Clubsport 45 or GTI Clubsport models in the brochure, although it’s possible VW may have introduced a black roof option since then. Standard spec for the CS45 states it has a Gloss black (not pearl black) roof and door mirror covers.
I’ll check later if the suns still shining, but I’m 99% certain the roof on the CS45 is metallic, I’m sure I saw the specs in the paint the other day, but it was just a glance and didn’t think about it. I know it shines up lovely with polish and double speed wax.
The wing and mirrors or definitely gloss black.
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So today I've joined the Clubsport conga order line. Made my decision of going down the Clubsport route instead of the R. Tomorrow's impending price hike focused the mind after pondering the pros and cons of both cars for the last 12 months, and a couple of test drives in both.
The options list got a bit of a hammering, but having certain things on my beloved Mk6 meant I was after the equivalent on the Mk8. Plus if this is to be my last ICE car, I thought just go for it. :grin:
Spec: Pure White, Rear view camera, Pan roof, Winter Pack, HUD, DCC, Black Estorils, Park Assist, Nav Pro, Digital Key.
My procrastination has meant I've missed out on the Harman Kardon option, but as my paperwork says estimated delivery is begining of March 2023 (I suspect that is optimistic), who knows if the HK option will appear again and I can add it before my spec gets locked in. Plus there is always the potential retrofit avenue or different aftermarket audio upgrades options. :smiley:
As long as my Mk6 keeps going in the meantime (she'll be over the 200k mile mark before the new arrival), I'm in no rush. It arrives when it does. :rolleyes: Hopefully with many of the software bugs features sorted. :nerd:
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So today I've joined the Clubsport conga order line. Made my decision of going down the Clubsport route instead of the R. Tomorrow's impending price hike focused the mind after pondering the pros and cons of both cars for the last 12 months, and a couple of test drives in both.
The options list got a bit of a hammering, but having certain things on my beloved Mk6 meant I was after the equivalent on the Mk8. Plus if this is to be my last ICE car, I thought just go for it. :grin:
Spec: Pure White, Rear view camera, Pan roof, Winter Pack, HUD, DCC, Black Estorils, Park Assist, Nav Pro, Digital Key.
My procrastination has meant I've missed out on the Harman Kardon option, but as my paperwork says estimated delivery is begining of March 2023, who knows if the HK option will appear again and I can add it before my spec gets locked in. Plus there is always the potential retrofit avenue or different aftermarket audio upgrades options. :smiley:
As long as my Mk6 keeps going in the meantime (she'll be over the 200k mile mark before the new arrival), I'm in no rush. It arrives when it does. :rolleyes: Hopefully with many of the software bugs features sorted. :nerd:
Congrats mate. Great choice and great spec. I ordered around 3 weeks ago now and been told the same date. Coming from my last two cars that had B&O sound systems I was a little worried moving to the GTI with a standard sound system that I would miss it. (My MK8 standard GTI was already built so had not choice in spec). However, I have to say the standard system for me is decent. Of course it’s not as good but put it this way, I haven’t put it on my clubsport I have ordered.
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My procrastination has meant I've missed out on the Harman Kardon option, but as my paperwork says estimated delivery is begining of March 2023, who knows if the HK option will appear again and I can add it before my spec gets locked in. Plus there is always the potential retrofit avenue or different aftermarket audio upgrades options. :smiley:
Congrats mate. Great choice and great spec. I ordered around 3 weeks ago now and been told the same date. Coming from my last two cars that had B&O sound systems I was a little worried moving to the GTI with a standard sound system that I would miss it. (My MK8 standard GTI was already built so had not choice in spec). However, I have to say the standard system for me is decent. Of course it’s not as good but put it this way, I haven’t put it on my clubsport I have ordered.
I had the Dynaudio upgraded sound system in my mk6 Golf. It was OK but I was a little disappointed and underwhelmed by it; maybe my expectations were too high. In my current and previous cars (both VW’s) I’ve just stuck with the standard system. IMHO, with other noise sources you get in a car - engine, tyre / road, wind and passengers - unless you’re buying a luxury limo with very good sound insulation and acoustics, a car’s interior isn’t the best environment for listening to music, so the standard system does just fine for me. If I want a better quality music listening experience, I’ll wait until I’m at home.
Congratulations guys; hopefully the wait won’t seem too bad. I try and adopt the approach of once ordered, forget about it until nearer the expected delivery date. With my current car, I didn’t really think it until it had been built and it was well on the way to the UK and the dealer.
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Hi all, been lurking for a while….I ordered my clubsport back in October ‘21 and was given an estimated delivery date of end June ‘22. I know that’s probably optimistic but I cant get any sort of guess from the dealer as to when it will actually arrive. Does anyone have any thoughts on when I might expect it…?
FWIW the only options on it are Winter Pack and 19” alloys, so hopefully fewer chips to put it! Knowing whether its ‘22 or ‘23 would be helpful. I almost bailed on the car but decided to stick with it, let’s hope that’s a good decision!
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@Boothy1979, cheers! Well I'll update this thread on any (useful) news I get from my dealer. They said they'd contact me in about two months' time with an update on my order. Though I'm sure the update will be, "...we have no update!". :grin: Appreciate your thoughts on the standard speaker system, that gives reassurance the standard VW speaker package these days is not horrendous.
@SRGTD what VW headunit did you have driving your Dynaudio in your Mk6? Mine had the RNS510 installed and I was actually impressed with the sound from the RNS510/Dynaudio combo. First time I've not tinkered and upgraded car speakers in my car history. I've since updated my headunit in my Mk6 to a Pioneer headunit (wanted wireless Apple CarPlay) and have to say that sounds good via the Dynaudio, well to my ears anyway.
I'd heard mixed things about the Harman Kardon speakers in general. Some BMW owners I know had said the latest HK iterations in the BMW range weren't anything to write home about. Others have said they're top banana. Who knows, guess it's down to your own ears.
I'll probably adopt the "wait until it arrives" before deciding if the standard speakers will remain or will get upgraded. Though any upgrade will involve some "fit my car" custom fit stuff. My days of taking car dashboards and door cards to bits for audio purposes are pretty much over; a younger person's game. Plus modern trim removal appears to be less forgiving these days. So much so that I'm not looking forward to reinstalling my hardwired Blackvue front & rear dashcams from the Mk6 to Mk8. Guess I've got some time to research my cable routing options though. :wink:
@Redspear, you may be suprised and have a summer treat. Though I think its best to do as SRGTD suggests and forget about it until nearer the delivery date. That way expectations are less likely to become irritations when dates come and go.
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Ordered in June 21, was given B/W 26 back in February, that was remove a couple of weeks later, got an update yesterday, scheduled B/W 17, dealer told me that is it locked in, not sure if I should get my hopes up.
Moonstone, DCC, Pan Roof, Reverse Cam and Adelaides
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@SRGTD what VW headunit did you have driving your Dynaudio in your Mk6? Mine had the RNS510 installed and I was actually impressed with the sound from the RNS510/Dynaudio combo. First time I've not tinkered and upgraded car speakers in my car history. I've since updated my headunit in my Mk6 to a Pioneer headunit (wanted wireless Apple CarPlay) and have to say that sounds good via the Dynaudio, well to my ears anyway.
I'd heard mixed things about the Harman Kardon speakers in general. Some BMW owners I know had said the latest HK iterations in the BMW range weren't anything to write home about. Others have said they're top banana. Who knows, guess it's down to your own ears.
I had the RCD510 head unit in my mk6 GTD (it had the 6CD auto changer, but no sat nav). Whatever type of music I listened to, I never seemed to be able to find the optimum settings for bass, mid and treble. The Dynaudio branded tweeter grilles looked nice though :smiley:.
I find the standard system in my Polo GTI+ good for DAB radio stations, which is what I mainly listen to these days.
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Well after sitting at week 24 for a while I’m now back to week 35. 💀
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My latest update is unconfirmed build week has now moved from week 24 to 32 (both 2022 at least - orig order Apr 2021).
But given I spec'd so many things not sure if will every be able to be built.
Keeping with it on basis that by the time it comes if nothing else I'll be able to sell for same or more than price I ordered at, although did read an autos newsletter talking about how used car prices (in the US) have just started to fall and predicted to have peaked. Lucky in that can keep other car going.
For reference the Honda E we bought in November has been great and definitely first choice in our garage....but assuming it wont be when the clubsport eventually arrives, and boot is so small would be impractical as main family transport
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Ordered in June 21, was given B/W 26 back in February, that was remove a couple of weeks later, got an update yesterday, scheduled B/W 17, dealer told me that is it locked in, not sure if I should get my hopes up.
Moonstone, DCC, Pan Roof, Reverse Cam and Adelaides
Looks like week 17 is actually happening... Word today from the dealer, still scheduled for week 17, which is next week..... We will see
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Week 42 now :whistle:
With that and the extra road tax I now have to pay, do I just give up and buy an up Gti :laugh:
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Ordered in June 21, was given B/W 26 back in February, that was remove a couple of weeks later, got an update yesterday, scheduled B/W 17, dealer told me that is it locked in, not sure if I should get my hopes up.
Moonstone, DCC, Pan Roof, Reverse Cam and Adelaides
Looks like week 17 is actually happening... Word today from the dealer, still scheduled for week 17, which is next week..... We will see
Have heard anything else yet? I ordered mine in June last year too and was told I was locked in on BW 17 a couple of weeks ago but haven't heard anything more since.
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Ordered in June 21, was given B/W 26 back in February, that was remove a couple of weeks later, got an update yesterday, scheduled B/W 17, dealer told me that is it locked in, not sure if I should get my hopes up.
Moonstone, DCC, Pan Roof, Reverse Cam and Adelaides
Looks like week 17 is actually happening... Word today from the dealer, still scheduled for week 17, which is next week..... We will see
Have heard anything else yet? I ordered mine in June last year too and was told I was locked in on BW 17 a couple of weeks ago but haven't heard anything more since.
Sales guy I've been dealing with is out in leave for a couple of weeks, so haven't heard anything from him, but talked to another guy and he's saying still showing as week 17 on the system but still showing as Scheduled, hard to get a straight answer from him, claiming it's in production and to expect it to arrive within 4 weeks. 🤷🏻♂️
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One whole year to the day that i ordered my Clubsport. With the latest update from the dealer telling me that they can't give me a confirmed build week.
Happy 1 year anniversary of no car to me! :whistle: let's just hope I don't have a 2 year, no car anniversary. I'm getting pretty fed up of waiting, as I know everyone else is. The number of times I thought of cancelling my order but I want the car I ordered and don't want to cancel after all of this time..... :sad: :cry:
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Same here. Car ordered middle of 2021, supposed to be built in May (2022). Chased up the dealer and just been told build is now scheduled for October but is highly likely to be extended yet again. Waited over a year and not complained, not waiting another 5-6 months at least just to be told the same again. I've cancelled the order today, I've had enough now. They weren't even bothered.
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Same here. Car ordered middle of 2021, supposed to be built in May (2022). Chased up the dealer and just been told build is now scheduled for October but is highly likely to be extended yet again. Waited over a year and not complained, not waiting another 5-6 months at least just to be told the same again. I've cancelled the order today, I've had enough now. They weren't even bothered.
They know they can sell that order to someone else for more money than you paid. If I had my tin foil on I'd say they don't want to deliver cars to people that will pay much less than they could be selling them for now.
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Same here. Car ordered middle of 2021, supposed to be built in May (2022). Chased up the dealer and just been told build is now scheduled for October but is highly likely to be extended yet again. Waited over a year and not complained, not waiting another 5-6 months at least just to be told the same again. I've cancelled the order today, I've had enough now. They weren't even bothered.
They know they can sell that order to someone else for more money than you paid. If I had my tin foil on I'd say they don't want to deliver cars to people that will pay much less than they could be selling them for now.
Exactly, especially if they gave you a guaranteed px value for trade in when the order was placed. I suspect my dealer was ‘happy’ when I cancelled, they would have lost thousands on the guaranteed px as deal was done near the peak of used car prices
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I’ve been offered a week 43 build car today.. presumably a cancelled order
Was there any talk of discounts or were they after full list price for it?
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One whole year to the day that i ordered my Clubsport. With the latest update from the dealer telling me that they can't give me a confirmed build week.
Happy 1 year anniversary of no car to me! :whistle: let's just hope I don't have a 2 year, no car anniversary. I'm getting pretty fed up of waiting, as I know everyone else is. The number of times I thought of cancelling my order but I want the car I ordered and don't want to cancel after all of this time..... :sad: :cry:
Given that BMW and Merc both have closed order books, its not a uniquely VW problem it seems.
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Same here. Car ordered middle of 2021, supposed to be built in May (2022). Chased up the dealer and just been told build is now scheduled for October but is highly likely to be extended yet again. Waited over a year and not complained, not waiting another 5-6 months at least just to be told the same again. I've cancelled the order today, I've had enough now. They weren't even bothered.
Out of interest, what do you plan to do now?
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Same here. Car ordered middle of 2021, supposed to be built in May (2022). Chased up the dealer and just been told build is now scheduled for October but is highly likely to be extended yet again. Waited over a year and not complained, not waiting another 5-6 months at least just to be told the same again. I've cancelled the order today, I've had enough now. They weren't even bothered.
Out of interest, what do you plan to do now?
I've gone for a Scirocco R. 16,280 miles on the clock and mint condition with two years manufacturer warranty. Shame to cancel but there you go. At least I'll have a nice car for the next 18 months-two years. Plus it will feel unbelievable compared to the 2009 Peugeot 206 it will be replacing which struggles to get up the slightest hill :smiley:
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I've gone for a Scirocco R. 16,280 miles on the clock and mint condition with two years manufacturer warranty. Shame to cancel but there you go. At least I'll have a nice car for the next 18 months-two years. Plus it will feel unbelievable compared to the 2009 Peugeot 206 it will be replacing which struggles to get up the slightest hill :smiley:
Ohhh I like your thinking! :cool:
Definitely a step in the right direction compared to the Pug. No wonder the wait for the Clubby was too much when that’s taken into consideration.
Anyway, welcome Jake and hopefully not a goodbye too :smiley:
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Thank you sir :smiley: and no, definitely not a goodbye. I'll be here for a while yet because I need to see what everyone thinks of their CS when they (eventually) arrive!
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16 months in and rather fond of mine.
I’m usually well down the road towards my next car by that point but honestly can’t think of anything to tempt me so far.
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Ordered 18th feb 2021 and still no word. I’m wanting to sell my current gti private but will have to wait for a confirmed build week 🙉🙉
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Some of the wait times quoted on here are crazy - inexplicable. I ordered my CS this week last year and took delivery in September.... and I thought that was long enough.
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Ordered 18th feb 2021 and still no word. I’m wanting to sell my current gti private but will have to wait for a confirmed build week 🙉🙉
I orders pretty much exactly the same time as you, still no date for me either
Some of the wait times quoted on here are crazy - inexplicable. I ordered my CS this week last year and took delivery in September.... and I thought that was long enough.
Was it a canceled order? as that's very quick!
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Ordered 18th feb 2021 and still no word. I’m wanting to sell my current gti private but will have to wait for a confirmed build week 🙉🙉
I orders pretty much exactly the same time as you, still no date for me either
Some of the wait times quoted on here are crazy - inexplicable. I ordered my CS this week last year and took delivery in September.... and I thought that was long enough.
Was it a canceled order? as that's very quick!
No, a fresh factory order. I am in Ireland though, so that's probably a factor. I do know that if I was to order it again today it would be a very different story, due to the ongoing chip shortages etc. I think I got relatively lucky with my timing.
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What exactly does disabling ESC actually achieve on public roads?
Maybe I’m getting too old for all this.
I find the engine pretty responsive from quite low down with relatively little pedal travel unlike the woeful mk7(.5) pedal response so long as you’re in the right gear.
The gearbox in Comfort does feel like a bucket of slush at times if you’ve been pootling then want a burst of go without resorting to paddles or S mode. At other times even in Comfort the gearbox can work with you if you get the throttle positioning just right. The TCU seems to pick up on recent averages.
Obviously in manual mode you have DSG limitations of only one gear at a time which is often not optimal.
Sport tends to be a bit frenetic.
Sounds like a well specced car you tested Damian, most of the examples I’ve seen of regular Clubsports are either standard spec launch cars or well loaded Ed45’s. Shows there must have been a few production runs despite the stupidly long waits people are having to endure.
By the time you’ve waited 18 months for a build slot there could have been any number of more interesting models released to market. You’ve gotta be dedicated for that sort of wait.
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Seems to be standard behavior, have a car in your shop window which looks like it's for sale but isn't. People come in to look and next thing they know they are ordering a new one which will turn up in 3 - 18 months lol.
In other news by estimated build week jumped down from week 46 to week 26, must be a glitch in the system :laugh:
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Maybe it was a glitch or something but when ESC was enabled there was vitually no throttle response in first, better in second and the car came alive in third. Turning the ESC off seemed to allow the car to behave "normally" if you like.. I was in manual mode and sport as I wanted to try and compare the mk8 to my 7.5 R
The car is reasonably well specced ( not as well as the one in Coulsdon at £47.6k which i think has almost every option ticked :shocked: ) and I asked them why they'd put the price up £3000 when i expressed some interest in it. Their response was that they don't want to sell it as they'd have no demo model to show to potential customers. If i want that car, I could put down a deposit but they'd insist on keeping the car another 3 months until a replace arrives...Odd..
But I do agree with you about the current cars on the market, they're almost all base spec without winter pack so of no interest to me..
Or I could go mad and spend £45k on a 22 plate GTi which seems steep..
Does sound a bit odd behaviour, was the car very low mileage(?) as they tend to suddenly free up somewhere between 500 and 1000 miles.
I’ve got to admit I’ve not been in a VW dealer for 16 months nor looked at autotrader etc so am going purely from examples I’ve seen (very few) or seen posted up online but from what you say there definitely must be a trickle coming through. Some slight reassurance there!
For £45k I’d want a fully loaded R!!
How did you find the performance compared to your R?
WelshGolf, that’s week 26 next year…
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The R is always going to be much much quicker off the line, agreed. A “better” car in many ways.
Maybe I’m just well used to my CS but the throttle application in the one you tried doesn’t sound quite “right” compared to my own experience (ex mk7 GTI/R/GTD/ed40/TCR owner). Always great to hear other people’s experiences though as everyone drives differently and has a different feel for the car’s dynamics/quality/spec/looks etc.
Is it worth a long wait though? If I had to wait 18 months I’d have changed my mind about what car I wanted at least half a dozen times in that time :whistle:
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WelshGolf, that’s week 26 next year…
haha yes probably will be. Well lets see what happens in the next month or so, i'm not holding out any hope.
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We’re all keeping fingers and toes crossed for you
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Received my first order update today from the dealer since ordering my Clubsport on the 31st March this year. Update was "...we are still awaiting a build week for your car." With the promise of another update next month. :grin:
Update was exactly what I thought it'd be, and I'm very sure the next load of monthly updates with have exactly the same content. :whistle:
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Just got word, mine left the factory today 🎉
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Just got word, mine left the factory today 🎉
Congratulations. Still no update on mine (order date Apr 2021) from a month ago when it was unconfirmed BW estimate 32 (mid august)
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Just got word, mine left the factory today 🎉
Sweet! Wonder if mine will be on the same boat? Not heard anything from the dealer to say it has, but they are not the greatest for being on top of it.
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Just got word, mine left the factory today 🎉
great news, lets hope it's an indication of some others being built as well!
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Just got word, mine left the factory today 🎉
Congratulations. Still no update on mine (order date Apr 2021) from a month ago when it was unconfirmed BW estimate 32 (mid august)
Today's update - no build week at all, first time I havent had at least an unconfirmed build week :cry:
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Confirmed build week 26 for me 👀 I’ll believe it when I drive away from the showroom :grin:
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Hi which dealer did you use ? Just wondering if it makes a difference to lead times
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I’ve been in a good few dealer demos that look like they’re about ten years old not just a few months. Pretty depressing. I think sometimes they go out as staff cars and get treated like trash.
Did you find that particular car drove any differently to the previous one Damian?
I’ve seen the mph/km’s reported elsewhere but never noticed it on mine and mine is a very early build still on original software. Mind you the little icon is so small I almost need to climb into the back seat to read it…
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The brakes work well, I can confirm that.
Feel wise, I’m used to them so they feel ‘familiar’ but maybe they are a bit firm in use.
Did you find this last example you drove to have muted throttle response too?
I’m wondering if maybe the boost profiles are different to your R as there have been quite a few iterations of EA888.
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Hi which dealer did you use ? Just wondering if it makes a difference to lead times
I used Sinclair VW in South Wales. I have heard that which dealer you go to makes a difference as different ones have different 'clout' with VW for orders.
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2 years for a Golf....seriously. I know VW group make the Bugatti's but I think that's about where comparisons end !
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HMRC released their 'how many left' data today for Q4. At the end of Q3 there were 663 registered clubsports, at the end of Q4 there were 682, meaning they only delivered 19 cars in the last quarter! No wonder no one got any!
CS 45's went up from 20 to 40 :laugh:
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Its mad this whole debacle, my dad placed an order on a T-Roc in Feb and is due to be delivered in June/ July, we placed an order for a new Kodiaq for the wife 3 weeks ago and got a build week at the end of August its mad how the different Volkswagen family factories are so wildly different at the moment. The dealer did tell me that the Enyaq would be at least two years and there are 300,000 or so outstanding electric car builds across Audi, VW, Skoda and Seat!!!!
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Seen a brand new one in my local dealer showroom today in kings red with Adelaide’s and it was very nice. They must be making some of them
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That’s a beautiful looking combo.
I’d be incredibly hacked off if I had a car on order for 12-18 months and unallocated showroom cars started appearing
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Congratulations. That looks great!
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Yes mines been on order for 16 months then a clubsport and an r appear In local showroom. Obviously making the ones they are going to make money on first.
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My latest updated, I ordered June 2021 , car now showing as a MY23 and down as Q1 2023 Build :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: If it wasn't for the fact that their is a dolphin grey clubsport in my estate I would be starting to think this car doesn't exist.
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Just got word, mine left the factory today 🎉
Rory, have you had any more info on yours? I pick mine up on Friday, FINALLY.
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Just got word, mine left the factory today 🎉
Rory, have you had any more info on yours? I pick mine up on Friday, FINALLY.
Should arrive to the dealer any day now, picking up Friday July 1st, that will get me the new 222 plate here in Ireland.
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I've had an update after chasing the dealer. Order date was August 2021 and i got told that build week had been recorded as wk10 2023. The sales guy said the build week might be brought forward a little but more likely to go back !
Is there actually an online log in where you're able to monitor the order or do we just have to rely on the dealers feedback ?
I heard there was a portal of some sort, but I also heard that it got taken down as it was causing more frustration from customers rather than positives !?
The dealer said, 'Trust me, the wait will be worth it - the car will be epic' which kinda gave me that warm feeling inside similar to a premium whisky does to ya !
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I've had an update after chasing the dealer. Order date was August 2021 and i got told that build week had been recorded as wk10 2023. The sales guy said the build week might be brought forward a little but more likely to go back !
Is there actually an online log in where you're able to monitor the order or do we just have to rely on the dealers feedback ?
I heard there was a portal of some sort, but I also heard that it got taken down as it was causing more frustration from customers rather than positives !?
The dealer said, 'Trust me, the wait will be worth it - the car will be epic' which kinda gave me that warm feeling inside similar to a premium whisky does to ya !
They took it down so you have to ask the dealer. This has annoyed everyone as you are made to feel like a pain constantly asking the dealer for updates and the dealer has to deal with everyone asking them constantly! From what I can gather though the dealers don't have access to much information. They can see the estimated build date but that's about it. My dealer has had loads of cars suddenly appear at the docks when they didn't even know they were built.
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I heard there was a portal of some sort, but I also heard that it got taken down as it was causing more frustration from customers rather than positives !?
As @WelshGolf has said, the online tracker was taken down. Frustrated customers were seeing no movement on the tracker for the build progress of their cars, so were taking their frustration out on VW Customer Services.
When the tracker was working, it didn’t always show the correct up to date information. There have been a number of instances of forum members having collected their cars and the tracker was still showing them as being in transit to the UK from the factory.
My dealer has had loads of cars suddenly appear at the docks when they didn't even know they were built.
Seems that in the absence of the tracker, things aren’t any better in terms of dealers having access to accurate up to date information :grin:. If VW aren’t keeping the dealers informed, then what hope is there for a customer finding out what’s going on with their car’s build progress?
IMHO VW have never been good at providing accurate, timely information :whistle:.
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I was speaking with the delivery coordinator at my supplying dealership yesterday. He seems to think that because some of the cars are being part built and then parked up, the Wolfsburg system isn't configured to recognise this, hence some cars are disappearing from their radar and then turning up at the dealership unannounced. He also said when the vehicles disappear during build they have eventually arrived anywhere between 2 weeks to 2 months later.
It seems that the majority of dealers are also experiencing very poor communication from factory and can only offer very rough delivery estimations based on what they are seeing at their end.
Additionally the unconfirmed build dates are frequently moving back and forth as they set up for the MY23 changes. There appears to be more positive signs now on the semiconductor front and VW also appears to have fully addressed the wiring harness supply issues for now.
This time last week I was almost ready to pull the plug on my May 21 Golf r order as it had slipped again towards year end with the possibility of rolling over into 2023. Yesterday however I received a phonecall that my order has now been assigned a confirmed build slot in Week 29. Hopefully as the shift to MY23 kicks off we will start seeing a flurry of confirmed build weeks coming through 🤞
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I assume you mean a new or nearly new i30N, which only launched about a year ago. The earlier model was manual only so it would have to be that if you want an auto.
I don't know if the new model i30N is much cheaper than a CS, but it's thirstier and, IMO, the second choice. It comes down to price and value for money in the end and I appreciate everyone's opinion of VFM will differ.
As for a new i30N, are their delivery times any better than the CS or GTi?
Good luck with whatever you choose! It's not an easy decision. I'm a year in to my 3 year CS lease, and I'll face the same dilemma as you in about 6 months. At the moment I'm thinking a used well specced Mk8 (not CS) or a used new model Auto i30N (just for a change)
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I assume you mean a new or nearly new i30N, which only launched about a year ago. The earlier model was manual only so it would have to be that if you want an auto.
I don't know if the new model i30N is much cheaper than a CS, but it's thirstier and, IMO, the second choice. It comes down to price and value for money in the end and I appreciate everyone's opinion of VFM will differ.
As for a new i30N, are their delivery times any better than the CS or GTi?
Good luck with whatever you choose! It's not an easy decision. I'm a year in to my 3 year CS lease, and I'll face the same dilemma as you in about 6 months. At the moment I'm thinking a used well specced Mk8 (not CS) or a used new model Auto i30N (just for a change)
Have a BMW 128Ti on order, supposedly arriving in October (still being told that's the case) Its a lease, and only put £1000 of options on it as its very well specified for all things need, so came in around £35000 which is nearly £3000 cheaper than lease cost for the TCR in 2019.
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That's one thing about spending time on here, the good folks are always giving you ideas.
Thanks Hertsman - I'll need to look at the BMW 128Ti too now!
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I’m in a quandary due to these lead times.. Looking at the last few posts, there appears to be the distinct possibility ( probability ? ) of a new order taking 18-20 months. So that could be 2024 :shocked:
I guess this means either place an order, not knowing when it will arrive nor what the price will be nor whether the mk8 will have been updated by then..
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Buy used. I quite easy on spec - 19s and winter pack. I’d have gone for HK but it’s not available now and I don’t know how it compares to Dynaudio. Or I go for a GTi and not a CS
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Buy a different make…I like the look of an i30n but could I live with that suspension for 18k miles a year :laugh:
My GTi will hit 66k miles this month so I need to make up my mind. Dealers at VW aren’t helpful
Bare in mind that if you buy used then you could be buying yourself into a hell hole of software issues. The updates are good but the early cars simply don’t have the hardware to facilitate it properly. A mate in the dealer world has been running two new Golf 8’s (1 R Line, 1 245 GTI) respectively for the past 5 months now and says the software and running systems on these has been worlds apart from the rest that he had previously in 2020 and 2021.
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When did the SW issues start getting sorted ? Is a 71 plate too early and only a 22 plate recommended ?
I don’t want to be driven nuts by faulty tech
I've got a 21 plate CS bought new in April 21 which has been updated to 1896 and it works flawlessly now. It did start with the 17xx software though, not the earlier 16xx
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When did the SW issues start getting sorted ? Is a 71 plate too early and only a 22 plate recommended ?
I don’t want to be driven nuts by faulty tech
I have a 71 plate and it was flawless from day one
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I was speaking with the delivery coordinator at my supplying dealership yesterday. He seems to think that because some of the cars are being part built and then parked up, the Wolfsburg system isn't configured to recognise this, hence some cars are disappearing from their radar and then turning up at the dealership unannounced. He also said when the vehicles disappear during build they have eventually arrived anywhere between 2 weeks to 2 months later.
It seems that the majority of dealers are also experiencing very poor communication from factory and can only offer very rough delivery estimations based on what they are seeing at their end.
Additionally the unconfirmed build dates are frequently moving back and forth as they set up for the MY23 changes. There appears to be more positive signs now on the semiconductor front and VW also appears to have fully addressed the wiring harness supply issues for now.
This time last week I was almost ready to pull the plug on my May 21 Golf r order as it had slipped again towards year end with the possibility of rolling over into 2023. Yesterday however I received a phonecall that my order has now been assigned a confirmed build slot in Week 29. Hopefully as the shift to MY23 kicks off we will start seeing a flurry of confirmed build weeks coming through 🤞
Just been told my estimated build month is Feb 2023 (ordered April 2021) but they are hopeful it will come forward. It had disappeared a month ago so was hoping it was one of those part built ones. Especially since, just based on the new configurator pictures, I prefer the interior of the MY21/22 cars and not the MY23 ones.
Only question now is now the "GTI Performance Pack" is available for CS should I add/modify my order..... if its just the akra exhaust and top speed limiter then I wouldnt bother, is there anything else in it?
very tempted to get a used one in the meantime and take the risk on the current 2nd hand valuations, but at this rate might be very low cost in depreciation if was selling on in a year.....
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I spoke to my dealer last week about possibly amending the order for my GTD, and I was told that any changes would push it to the back of the queue. This could be a dealer statement rather than a VW statement, but it would be good to check before making any changes.
Obviously I decided against changing anything!!
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Some rumours flying about that the price could change dramatically too, if you make changes.
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Confirmation that my car is now scheduled for build week 33 (15th Aug)
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Confirmation that my car is now scheduled for build week 33 (15th Aug)
Nice! When did you order and what spec did you choose?
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I was speaking with the delivery coordinator at my supplying dealership yesterday. He seems to think that because some of the cars are being part built and then parked up, the Wolfsburg system isn't configured to recognise this, hence some cars are disappearing from their radar and then turning up at the dealership unannounced. He also said when the vehicles disappear during build they have eventually arrived anywhere between 2 weeks to 2 months later.
It seems that the majority of dealers are also experiencing very poor communication from factory and can only offer very rough delivery estimations based on what they are seeing at their end.
Additionally the unconfirmed build dates are frequently moving back and forth as they set up for the MY23 changes. There appears to be more positive signs now on the semiconductor front and VW also appears to have fully addressed the wiring harness supply issues for now.
This time last week I was almost ready to pull the plug on my May 21 Golf r order as it had slipped again towards year end with the possibility of rolling over into 2023. Yesterday however I received a phonecall that my order has now been assigned a confirmed build slot in Week 29. Hopefully as the shift to MY23 kicks off we will start seeing a flurry of confirmed build weeks coming through 🤞
Just been told my estimated build month is Feb 2023 (ordered April 2021) but they are hopeful it will come forward. It had disappeared a month ago so was hoping it was one of those part built ones. Especially since, just based on the new configurator pictures, I prefer the interior of the MY21/22 cars and not the MY23 ones.
Only question now is now the "GTI Performance Pack" is available for CS should I add/modify my order..... if its just the akra exhaust and top speed limiter then I wouldnt bother, is there anything else in it?
very tempted to get a used one in the meantime and take the risk on the current 2nd hand valuations, but at this rate might be very low cost in depreciation if was selling on in a year.....
I asked a friend who works as a VW salesman about this and he confirmed that any additions to spec would result in the removal of any price protection. Considering that Audi are about to put their prices up by 8%, you can expect VW to follow close suit with a similar number, if not the same or bigger considering the smaller margins for the VW brand. Just a reflection of the world that we live in, but good for those who already own their cars or have a price locked in!
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So I think the forums views are right and prices are about to change again. The VW configuration I just built for fun (the clubsport for instance). I have just done a quick build on the same specifications and factory extras what I built my 45 with and same colour (with the new performance pack which is essentially the 45 kit without the stickers and some other cosmetic bits). VW won’t give you the price on the configuration at the end and neither monthly cost on the 5.6% finance so you just have to add it up yourself. This comes out £49,570 which is substantially more than I paid for my car. So we are facing some astronomic price increases on top of this quick guesstimates. Order changes may be not be a good proposition!
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Here in Ireland 😳
Racing Package for GTI CUP
€ 5,380.00
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Akrapovic Titanium Exhaust
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Scottsdale Alloy wheels 8J x 19
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Speed-related variable steering assist (Servotronic) w/ reduced steering height
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Tires 235/35 R19 91Y
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Wheel bolts with anti-theft protection (unlockable)
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Without speed limiter
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Here in Ireland 😳
Racing Package for GTI CUP
€ 5,380.00
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Akrapovic Titanium Exhaust
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Scottsdale Alloy wheels 8J x 19
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Speed-related variable steering assist (Servotronic) w/ reduced steering height
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Tires 235/35 R19 91Y
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Wheel bolts with anti-theft protection (unlockable)
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Without speed limiter
With the price increase, my car with this would cost over 70k Euro
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Happy build week to me. However will it get built, half built, or not at all...
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So I think the forums views are right and prices are about to change again. The VW configuration I just built for fun (the clubsport for instance). I have just done a quick build on the same specifications and factory extras what I built my 45 with and same colour (with the new performance pack which is essentially the 45 kit without the stickers and some other cosmetic bits). VW won’t give you the price on the configuration at the end and neither monthly cost on the 5.6% finance so you just have to add it up yourself. This comes out £49,570 which is substantially more than I paid for my car. So we are facing some astronomic price increases on top of this quick guesstimates. Order changes may be not be a good proposition!
It’s getting crazy. The insurance have agreed a value of £49,000 for my stolen CS45. I’m happy with that result but it’s absurd to think that’s a true price value. I wouldn’t have paid that for it. To be honest, I’m not sure I’d have paid the list price.
I’m not in the market for a new PCP, but, I presume the 4 year GFV is offsetting much of these increases to keep the monthly payments reasonable?
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I now have a scheduled build week of 29 so hope this goes ahead and I see the car shortly after 😎
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Today I received my second update from the dealership since ordering at the end of March 2022.
Have gone from no news in update one, to update two stating that my car is scheduled to be built in March 2023. Have replied asking if a specific build week has been assigned.
Update three is apparently going to be in two months' time. At which I'm sure little will have changed, if anything I'm expecting it to be pushed further into 2023. :grin:
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Today the dealership has advised my car is scheduled for build week 12, 2023. The Mk6 will be up around the 210k mile mark by then. :cool:
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Well my clubsport is built and on route, currently on status “port of exit” so sitting Emden! 17 months later and I might have it soon
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It’s good to see some progress with these builds at long last.
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Well my clubsport is built and on route, currently on status “port of exit” so sitting Emden! 17 months later and I might have it soon
Nice one mate when did you place your order ?
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Well my clubsport is built and on route, currently on status “port of exit” so sitting Emden! 17 months later and I might have it soon
Nice one mate when did you place your order ?
Feb 2021 unfortunately, so a 17 month wait ish.
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Update today is no change - build week 33 commencing 15th Aug. Estimated to be 8 weeks from that week until at the dealer.
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Has nobody else had any positive news ? Mine was meant to go into production week 29 but heard nothing since.
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Has nobody else had any positive news ? Mine was meant to go into production week 29 but heard nothing since.
Last update i got was Q1 2023 Ordered June 21 i was told it had moved to MY23 , i have given up asking for a date, it will arrive when it arrives.
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Has nobody else had any positive news ? Mine was meant to go into production week 29 but heard nothing since.
Mine was on the ship a couple of days ago so assume it has now landed. I think they are hoping it will be at the dealership next week.
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Ordered April 21 and still no confirmed build date. Be prepared for a long wait I’m afraid 😞
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Pick up book for Thursday... i'm fully expecting something to go wrong and I'm not believing it until i've signed and have the keys in my hand :laugh: so yeah 17 months later.
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Pick up book for Thursday... i'm fully expecting something to go wrong and I'm not believing it until i've signed and have the keys in my hand :laugh: so yeah 17 months later.
Fingers crossed it does happen! What spec have you ordered mate? Look forward to some pics!
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Pick up book for Thursday... i'm fully expecting something to go wrong and I'm not believing it until i've signed and have the keys in my hand :laugh: so yeah 17 months later.
Fingers crossed it does happen! What spec have you ordered mate? Look forward to some pics!
Thanks! Clubsport, Moonstone grey, Black Estorils and winter pack for me.
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Hope all goes well post some pics please 👍👍
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Good luck fella. It’ll be worth the wait!
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Pick up book for Thursday... i'm fully expecting something to go wrong and I'm not believing it until i've signed and have the keys in my hand :laugh: so yeah 17 months later.
I'm sure the 17 month wait will be worth it :cool:. Looking forward to seeing some photos!
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How did it go on collection day mate ? Hope all went smoothly
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How did it go on collection day mate ? Hope all went smoothly
(https://i.postimg.cc/YCZZmw24/9-EB3-F8-B1-7-D50-4812-B904-4918-DC3-D43-E1.jpg)
Well didn’t quite get it last week, they found a split pipe on PDI so had to wait until today. Here it is :cool:
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Looks great hope your pleased with it 👍👍
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Looks great hope your pleased with it 👍👍
Only driven 2 miles, but dying to go out for a proper drive, just needs breaking in which will take me a while!. Very happy with how it looks in person, inside is lovely as well, just have to get used to the new tech! I didn't realise either how easy the exhaust would pop on downshift, even when cruising along at 30mph !
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Looks great, those alloys realty suit it. :smiley:
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Huge congrats @WelshGolf - your patience is admirable. I hope the car is worth it!
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Huge congrats @WelshGolf - your patience is admirable. I hope the car is worth it!
Thank you, really happy with the spec. Just need to break it in now and go for a proper drive.
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Looks great congrats
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How did it go on collection day mate ? Hope all went smoothly
(https://i.postimg.cc/YCZZmw24/9-EB3-F8-B1-7-D50-4812-B904-4918-DC3-D43-E1.jpg)
Well didn’t quite get it last week, they found a split pipe on PDI so had to wait until today. Here it is :cool:
Looks cracking mate!
Love the colour :wink:
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Looks cracking mate!
Love the colour :wink:
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Thank you, really happy with it.
Only had it 24 hours and I really don't see what the problem with the infotainment system is and the lack of buttons. Everything seems easy to find and works, i'm comparing it to my audi and feel the VW version is better!
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Just been given an estimated June 2023 build. Ordered in Oct 21.
To say I’m sick of waiting is an understatement!
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Just been given an estimated June 2023 build. Ordered in Oct 21.
To say I’m sick of waiting is an understatement!
you're not far off what I had to wait there unfortunately. If it helps, mine was worth the wait!
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so far so good with the clubsport, however it has the annoying problem of being in sport mode but not fully in sport mode unless you tell it to, as with the previous model. So, start the car and it's in sport mode, but if I press the sport mode again it seems to wake the exhaust up. If I don't press it again then the exhaust doesn't pop, press it and it does. Not that I care about the exhaust noise, just strange it doesn't stay fully in sport.
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so far so good with the clubsport, however it has the annoying problem of being in sport mode but not fully in sport mode unless you tell it to, as with the previous model. So, start the car and it's in sport mode, but if I press the sport mode again it seems to wake the exhaust up. If I don't press it again then the exhaust doesn't pop, press it and it does. Not that I care about the exhaust noise, just strange it doesn't stay fully in sport.
Everything except the gearbox will be in sport after you restart...
Just flick the chicken nugget if you want sport gearbox again. Quickest...
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so far so good with the clubsport, however it has the annoying problem of being in sport mode but not fully in sport mode unless you tell it to, as with the previous model. So, start the car and it's in sport mode, but if I press the sport mode again it seems to wake the exhaust up. If I don't press it again then the exhaust doesn't pop, press it and it does. Not that I care about the exhaust noise, just strange it doesn't stay fully in sport.
Everything except the gearbox will be in sport after you restart...
Just flick the chicken nugget if you want sport gearbox again. Quickest...
It stays in sport mode for sure, but the exhaust doesn't seem to unless you hit the button again. Pop and bangs only happen if I press the sport button again. Like I said though, this is no bad thing as pootling around town doing 20 - 30mph and it going pop pop pop is probably too much for me :grin:
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It's the over run on S mode...
Try it in some other mode and flick the chicken nugget to S
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How did it go on collection day mate ? Hope all went smoothly
(https://i.postimg.cc/YCZZmw24/9-EB3-F8-B1-7-D50-4812-B904-4918-DC3-D43-E1.jpg)
Well didn’t quite get it last week, they found a split pipe on PDI so had to wait until today. Here it is :cool:
Gutted I didn't spec those wheels
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That looks stunning in the sunlight WelshGolf, hopefully worth the looooong wait.
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That looks stunning in the sunlight WelshGolf, hopefully worth the looooong wait.
(https://i.postimg.cc/kXtV5H70/E5-F1-BD05-FE3-B-42-D5-8142-0448-D63-B3-CAF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jLtqgZwc)
Thank you, really happy with the spec. I think the grey/black/red combo really suits the car. I just ignore the “did they forgot to paint your car after the primer” comments from people :laugh:
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It would definitely have been the colour combo I’d have chosen if I’d ordered new. :cool:
Top tip for those of you wanting to hear more exhaust noise in your cars, fold the back seats down, it’s surprising how much difference that makes especially on warm up cycle
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How did it go on collection day mate ? Hope all went smoothly
(https://i.postimg.cc/YCZZmw24/9-EB3-F8-B1-7-D50-4812-B904-4918-DC3-D43-E1.jpg)
Well didn’t quite get it last week, they found a split pipe on PDI so had to wait until today. Here it is :cool:
Gutted I didn't spec those wheels
Same, I like the my Adelaide, but these are better!!
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How did it go on collection day mate ? Hope all went smoothly
(https://i.postimg.cc/YCZZmw24/9-EB3-F8-B1-7-D50-4812-B904-4918-DC3-D43-E1.jpg)
Well didn’t quite get it last week, they found a split pipe on PDI so had to wait until today. Here it is :cool:
Gutted I didn't spec those wheels
Same, I like the my Adelaide, but these are better!!
I originally went for diamond cut versions as these weren't even available as an option when I ordered! had to amend the order to add them on. Don't think i've seen another clubsport with the black versions on yet?
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I'd have chosen these over Adelaides for sure!
Back at the start it was all there was to choose from :cry: :cry: :cry:
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It’s funny how VW have diversified the alloy range now. The Estorils badged as R wheels have been available on GTI models for a while and the Adelaides can be specced on an R. I dread to think how the lack of exclusivity is viewed by the R faithful.
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Oh with opens arms I bet!
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@WelshGolf, congrats on the collection. The car looks really good, definitely worth the wait!! I'm sure you're going to enjoy it. :cool:
The black Estoril wheels look great too, think your Clubsport is the first I've seen with them fitted. I know alloy wheel designs and colours are a personal thing. If we all liked the same thing then life would indeed be dull, but seeing them on your car has confirmed I made the right decision spec'ing them on my order. Personally I didn't want the daily paranoia of living with diamond cut wheels again.
@Exonian, "... I dread to think how the lack of exclusivity is viewed by the R faithful.". :grin: No doubt there will be a few grumbles from some R purists that claim their GTI cousins have diluted R exclusivity. :whistle:
I personally was wondering if the little 'R' logo on the wheels is just a stuck-on badge that can be removed if required?
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You can always use tippex on it or just wait until your significant other helpfully removes it on a curb :whistle:
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@WelshGolf, congrats on the collection. The car looks really good, definitely worth the wait!! I'm sure you're going to enjoy it. :cool:
The black Estoril wheels look great too, think your Clubsport is the first I've seen with them fitted. I know alloy wheel designs and colours are a personal thing. If we all liked the same thing then life would indeed be dull, but seeing them on your car has confirmed I made the right decision spec'ing them on my order. Personally I didn't want the daily paranoia of living with diamond cut wheels again.
@Exonian, "... I dread to think how the lack of exclusivity is viewed by the R faithful.". :grin: No doubt there will be a few grumbles from some R purists that claim their GTI cousins have diluted R exclusivity. :whistle:
I personally was wondering if the little 'R' logo on the wheels is just a stuck-on badge that can be removed if required?
It is a little bit odd to have the R badge on the wheels but i'm fine with it. My biggest gripe with the R badge is it looks like i've curbed the wheels sometimes as it's a little shiny grey thing on a black wheel! They do look like you could probably take them off though, i'm sure someone could make 'CS' ones :laugh:
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While we all know that a diamond cut finish can be a pain, particularly if you kerb the wheel, gloss black finishes on wheels are not ideal either imo. If you’re fussy like me, they’re just as annoying in terms of upkeep.
I have the diamond cut estorils on my CS. The car is a year old now and has been meticulously minded. It’s the gloss black parts of my wheels that annoy me the most! Despite very careful washing, the most minor of hairline scratches stick out like a sore thumb on gloss black. Whereas the diamond cut faces appear immaculate (so far, touch wood). The dirt/brake dust also stands out a lot more on the black part of the wheel compared to the silver faces. The wheels look grubby quickly. So, personally I would never choose an all-black wheel, especially if it’s gloss black.
If I had a choice when spec’ing a wheel, I’d choose something with a gunmetal or dark-silver finish. The (silver) Pretoria’s from the MK7 R would be perfect.
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While we all know that a diamond cut finish can be a pain, particularly if you kerb the wheel, gloss black finishes on wheels are not ideal either imo. If you’re fussy like me, they’re just as annoying in terms of upkeep.
I have the diamond cut estorils on my CS. The car is a year old now and has been meticulously minded. It’s the gloss black parts of my wheels that annoy me the most! Despite very careful washing, the most minor of hairline scratches stick out like a sore thumb on gloss black. Whereas the diamond cut faces appear immaculate (so far, touch wood). The dirt/brake dust also stands out a lot more on the black part of the wheel compared to the silver faces. The wheels look grubby quickly. So, personally I would never choose an all-black wheel, especially if it’s gloss black.
If I had a choice when spec’ing a wheel, I’d choose something with a gunmetal or dark-silver finish. The (silver) Pretoria’s from the MK7 R would be perfect.
I’m not big a fan of either diamond cut or gloss black alloys, but if I had to choose between the two, I’d go for gloss black. I could hide the swirl marks on gloss black with a filler polish or polish it out, but I’d have to get a proper refurb to get rid of white worm on a diamond cut alloy at a cost of around £100-£120 plus VAT per wheel.
Agree 100% on gunmetal or dark silver - IMHO the best colour for alloys, and it works well with most car colours. With my current car and the previous two cars, I’ve swapped out the factory diamond cut alloys for a set of anthracite grey or dark silver-ish powder coated alloys; good durability, no worries about white worm, and they hide dirt and brake dust really well.
I keep the diamond cut alloys and they go back on the car when the time comes to sell it - a set of pristine diamond cut alloys seem to help get a decent price for the car, and I sell on the wheels I’ve had on the car to recoup some of the purchase cost. There seems to be good demand for decent, well cared for alloys - sold my last set within 3-4 days of advertising them and the buyer gave me more than the asking price! :smiley:
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The gloss black Scottsdale wheels on the CS45 will likely be the last gloss black wheels I own.
One drive after a fresh wash and they are covered in brake dust again.
Powder coated silver / gunmetal is the way to go for ease of maintenance.
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The gloss black Scottsdale wheels on the CS45 will likely be the last gloss black wheels I own.
One drive after a fresh wash and they are covered in brake dust again.
Powder coated silver / gunmetal is the way to go for ease of maintenance.
My Scottsdales are fine for about a week if I use Armorall Wheel Shield. Works a treat.
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@fredgroves, "You can always use tippex on it or just wait until your significant other helpfully removes it on a curb". Prefer the former to the latter Fred :grin: - though maybe a black Sharpie pen will suffice to colour the R letter in? :wink:
@JoeGTI, I definitely get what you're saying on the long term swirling effect from having black wheels. I was actually pleased when a painted wheel option appeared on the VW configurator, as I really didn't want diamond-cut wheels again. Granted a black wheel colour was not my ideal choice, one of the reasons being the one you've stated. I would have really liked if VW offered a silver or gunmetal grey paint option, but the options are the options at time of order.
My intention is to keep the Clubsport for a minimum of 5 years - it may creep to as long as I've had my Mk6... So I reckoned the upkeep/maintenance of painted black wheels would probably be less expensive - I agree with @SRGTD's points on this.
In the 9 years of Mk6 ownership, I've had its set of Monza Shadow wheels re-cut twice due to whiteworm, on the third refurb (due to a curb getting in the way :whistle:) I got them painted gunmetal grey.
For me choosing the black Estoril wheels was the lesser of two evils. With my expectation (hope?) that painted wheels should be a more durable finish over the longer term. If I was only keeping a car for 1 to 2 years, it probably wouldn't bother me as much.
I'll definitely have a look into that Armorall Wheel Shield that @king monkey's mentioned. Handy tip. :wink:
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My car is now in transit.just waiting for a phone call now. Hope there’s no more delays.
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Received my month 5 order update from the dealership (order placed at the end of March this year). My car's build week has now been pushed 10 weeks further into 2023. Originally scheduled with a build week of 12/2023, now has a build week of 22/2023.
Not at all surprised, will forget about it again for another 2 - 3 months. :whistle:
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Received my month 5 order update from the dealership (order placed at the end of March this year). My car's build week has now been pushed 10 weeks further into 2023. Originally scheduled with a build week of 12/2023, now has a build week of 22/2023.
Not at all surprised, will forget about it again for another 2 - 3 months. :whistle:
Same B/W as mine and I ordered over 10 months ago. Apparently lots of GTI/CS/R are showing this now. It’ll either be them kicking the can down the road, or they’re planning to just go seriously hard on Performance range back orders in one week or so to clear the backlog before their summer next year. Depending on which report you read, Wolfsburg is currently churning out about 8000 cars per week which is still way below targets pre pandemic.
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My GTI CS has just left the factory!
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Has anyone else heard that VW have stopped taking new factory orders for the Clubsport? I put an enquiry into a leasing company who told me they had a notification through last week about it - he believed it was permanent, although I've since spoken to the local dealer who said it's temporary, but they have no idea when it will start again. Also applies to manual GTI's as well as some other non-golf models.
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My GTI CS has just left the factory!
amazing! hopefully only a few weeks for you now
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Has anyone else heard that VW have stopped taking new factory orders for the Clubsport? I put an enquiry into a leasing company who told me they had a notification through last week about it - he believed it was permanent, although I've since spoken to the local dealer who said it's temporary, but they have no idea when it will start again. Also applies to manual GTI's as well as some other non-golf models.
jesus, the clubsport will be a rare car if it carries on like this.
If i'm reading this correctly:
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/volkswagen_golf_clubsport_gti_tsi_s-a
Only 74 were produced over the last 12 months?! I know this only shows up to the end of the Q1 this year, but still, wow.
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jesus, the clubsport will be a rare car if it carries on like this.
If i'm reading this correctly:
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/volkswagen_golf_clubsport_gti_tsi_s-a
Only 74 were produced over the last 12 months?! I know this only shows up to the end of the Q1 this year, but still, wow.
Over 18 months in and I have still seen very few. There's one that I assume lives fairly close by that I have seen three times but, aside from that, I have only seen one other in that time. Haven't seen a 45 yet and I have seen way more Rs and lots of 245s.
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The other day, I was speaking to the salesman I dealt with when I bought my car. He said that backlog of performance Golfs waiting to be built is massive. I can’t remember where, but I read it the other day VW had temporarily stopped taking new orders for performance Golfs to help reduce the backlog.
It’s been rumoured on some forums that VW might be prioritising the build of EV’s over ICE cars. The current average emissions target for the overall fleet of new cars that car manufacturers build is 95g CO2/km, so if the rumour of EV prioritisation is true, then focusing efforts on building zero emissions vehicles skews the overall vehicle mix towards EV’s and results in a lower fleet average emissions figure for VW.
Exceeding the emissions target means significant fines for VW, although I doubt we’ll ever know if there’s any truth in the rumour - if there is, then that could be one of the factors contributing to the very long lead times for those waiting for a new performance Golf.
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Speaking to salesman in our local vet garage exactly week ago they had confirmation that no more club sports being built you could order a standard gti but it would be at least 10 to 12 months away
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As suspected it looks like they did prioritise the build of CS45's as only 2 normal CS's were built in the first quarter. Can't wait to see the other quarters and see if it jumps up!
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Speaking to salesman in our local vet garage exactly week ago they had confirmation that no more club sports being built you could order a standard gti but it would be at least 10 to 12 months away
I ordered a manual Gti Sept 21. Have been given a build date of Wk16 next year. :sad:
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Over 18 months in and I have still seen very few. There's one that I assume lives fairly close by that I have seen three times but, aside from that, I have only seen one other in that time. Haven't seen a 45 yet and I have seen way more Rs and lots of 245s.
Likewise, saw a couple over a year ago then none for ages, saw a black one (GAO) a couple of days ago and that’s the lot.
I’ve seen a handful of R’s, a few GTI’s, GTE’s and surprisingly a good few GTD’s too. Diesels aren’t fully dead yet!
I’d imagine the mk8 Clubsport is even rarer than a mk7 Ed40 Clubsport! Maybe we should get them numbered 😁
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Add into the mix the affect of high energy costs on car production and can see that they could be cutting back.
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Hi welsh golf did the dealer honour the price on the original signed contract or did they charge current retail price
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Hi welsh golf did the dealer honour the price on the original signed contract or did they charge current retail price
They honored the original cost and finance deal, I kept asking this all along and made sure I had it in writing. The only thing that was out of their control is now I have to pay more tax as the RRP of the car on delivery was more than £40k. I had a squeaky bum all the way up until I signed everything on the week of hand over that they would back track but it was all good. The manager even walked past at one point to comment on the car and said "you've had a great deal, not much profit for us though" :grin:
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Clubsport ownership is going well, apart from needing a new tyre after 500 miles as a screw had gone into the side wall and couldn't be plugged :laugh:
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The vehicle statistics for the 2nd quarter of 2022 are out, look at the CS numbers:
2022Q2 2022Q1 2021Q4 2021Q3 2021Q2 2021Q1 2020Q4
709 685 682 663 619 301 3
So in the 6 months of 2022 there are 27 licenced Clubsports on the road?!
No wonder no one is seeing deliveries, I wonder how many orders are pending in the factory seeing as they have closed the books on orders now.
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The vehicle statistics for the 2nd quarter of 2022 are out, look at the CS numbers:
2022Q2 2022Q1 2021Q4 2021Q3 2021Q2 2021Q1 2020Q4
709 685 682 663 619 301 3
So in the 6 months of 2022 there are 27 licenced Clubsports on the road?!
No wonder no one is seeing deliveries, I wonder how many orders are pending in the factory seeing as they have closed the books on orders now.
I was recently speaking to the salesperson I dealt with when I bought my current car. They described the backlog of unfulfilled customer orders at the Wolfsburg plant as ‘massive’ that in their opinion would take many, many months to get under control.
I know some of the supplier issues impacting production are out of VW’s control, but if it’s possible to order a new Polo GTI (built in Kariega, South Africa) - also affected by the same / similar supplier issues - and take delivery in around 7-8 months, why can’t VW do the same with a Golf?
IMHO not a good example of German efficiency at it’s best :whistle:
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Before they closed the orders I think waiting times were up to 24 months so by late 2024 surely there will be slight face lift. So will they even open order again for this version?
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The vehicle statistics for the 2nd quarter of 2022 are out, look at the CS numbers:
2022Q2 2022Q1 2021Q4 2021Q3 2021Q2 2021Q1 2020Q4
709 685 682 663 619 301 3
So in the 6 months of 2022 there are 27 licenced Clubsports on the road?!
No wonder no one is seeing deliveries, I wonder how many orders are pending in the factory seeing as they have closed the books on orders now.
I was recently speaking to the salesperson I dealt with when I bought my current car. They described the backlog of unfulfilled customer orders at the Wolfsburg plant as ‘massive’ that in their opinion would take many, many months to get under control.
I know some of the supplier issues impacting production are out of VW’s control, but if it’s possible to order a new Polo GTI (built in Kariega, South Africa) - also affected by the same / similar supplier issues - and take delivery in around 7-8 months, why can’t VW do the same with a Golf?
IMHO not a good example of German efficiency at it’s best :whistle:
Golf GTI is a lot more tech/chip heavy than a Polo.
The real reason why VW won’t build Performance Golfs / Touaregs / high end Tiguans and Arteons is because they need to sell 1/2 ID. cars to counterbalance the CO2 deficit set by the powerful EA888 engined cars. The whole european VW fleet must average 90g/CO2 across the board. The issue is that the ID. cars are VERY chip heavy and are almost unobtainable before 2023. Miss the CO2 figure and the brand faces hundreds of millions in fines… and from a PR perspective VW would really rather stay out of ‘VW misses emission targets’ headlines… VW would rather keep Golf GTI and Arteon R owners waiting for and take a small financial hit building a 2023 low volume car at 2021 prices than it would be arriving at court in Brussels with a big cheque…
My mate at VW says that Polos, T Rocs, and T Crosses are flowing steadily now… small engine, low chip, high margin cars!
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Had confirmation my GTI CS is on the boat and should be at the dealer in 2 weeks
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Had confirmation my GTI CS is on the boat and should be at the dealer in 2 weeks
Congratulations Simon - you're a lucky guy.
I had email exchanges with my dealership today, i asked for an update as my order was placed Sept 2021 with proposed delivery in April 2022 - however that got pushed back a number of times and then I was told its defo build week 50 of 2022..... but today now showing TBA.... which immediately makes me think FFS !!!
I just wish they were able to offer a date and stick to it... how did your order process go Simon ???
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Just been notified my car is at the dealer. Asked for delivery on 24th October as on annual leave from work that day anyway.
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Had confirmation my GTI CS is on the boat and should be at the dealer in 2 weeks
Congratulations Simon - you're a lucky guy.
I had email exchanges with my dealership today, i asked for an update as my order was placed Sept 2021 with proposed delivery in April 2022 - however that got pushed back a number of times and then I was told its defo build week 50 of 2022..... but today now showing TBA.... which immediately makes me think FFS !!!
I just wish they were able to offer a date and stick to it... how did your order process go Simon ???
My order process was not straight forward but for different reasons. The car is from a batch ordered June 2021 by Inchape.
I picked up the deal in Jan 2022 via Arval on a lease. Arval priced the car wrong on their site but also quoted it at the wrong price. One or two people got the deal as priced before they pulled it citing a pricing error. I had a quote with the apparent pricing mistake but because I didn't get the contract back signed before the error came to light it was game over.
The price was £337 a month no deposit non-maintained on 8k miles a year and 9 ppm with 19" wheels.
I kicked up a massive stink, got in touch with the right people up the chain in Arval and was able to find an agreement. Ended up with no deposit £359 a month fully maintained on 8k miles per annum 9ppm and the 19" wheels.
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What a deal that is!!
I'm paying £100 a month more for a standard CS, non-maintained, albeit with 12kpa mileage.
I matched your 9p+VAT for excess miles but I won't need that anyway. :sad:
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Good evening All,
im new to the forum and its my first post. I ordered my Clubsport with DCC and black estorils back in september last year! It just keeps getting put back, and put back. Now been given a BW of 7 next year... TBH the communication from the dealership hasnt been great at all. Are dealerships standing by the offered tbat tney gave you when you first put the order in? And what about Tax? I stopped just below the 40k mark to avoid luxury car Tax.
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I ordered a CS with DCC at a similar time. A few months ago I was told Week 26 2023 so BW7 sounds very good to me, the fact that you have a BW is a good thing alone to be honest, small wins.
Dealers aren’t very communicative but they can’t know or control much more than us, and have lots of customers in the same position. Tough really.
Price is good and bad news. Good news: Your overall price will be guaranteed against what you signed up to when you ordered the car, so inflation nor price list increases will not affect what you pay, whether that be cash or finance. If the dealer tries anything on then bring the Dealer Principal in, and threaten VW UK involvement immediately. Buying a 2023 car at 2021 prices makes wait worth it!
Bad news: Unfortunately the Government will throw your car into the tax bracket that its RRP equates to when it is first registered, so you will hit the £40k luxury car threshold.
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Thanks for the info Banksy. Yes i suppose it could be worse, sounds like BW7 isnt so bad after all. I have noticed on the VW website that the Clubsport is only avaliable from stock (good luck). Have they put in a temporary stop or are they stopping production altogether?
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I ordered a CS with DCC at a similar time. A few months ago I was told Week 26 2023 so BW7 sounds very good to me, the fact that you have a BW is a good thing alone to be honest, small wins.
Dealers aren’t very communicative but they can’t know or control much more than us, and have lots of customers in the same position. Tough really.
Price is good and bad news. Good news: Your overall price will be guaranteed against what you signed up to when you ordered the car, so inflation nor price list increases will not affect what you pay, whether that be cash or finance. If the dealer tries anything on then bring the Dealer Principal in, and threaten VW UK involvement immediately. Buying a 2023 car at 2021 prices makes wait worth it!
Bad news: Unfortunately the Government will throw your car into the tax bracket that its RRP equates to when it is first registered, so you will hit the £40k luxury car threshold.
The £40k "luxury" car threshold - that's taking the piss more than a bit. Hard to find any new, or even moderately used, car worth having for less than £40k these days.
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The £40k "luxury" car threshold - that's taking the piss more than a bit. Hard to find any new, or even moderately used, car worth having for less than £40k these days.
I’m sure the gov.uk website used to make reference to the luxury car threshold for vehicles with a list price of £40k plus. There’s no longer any reference to ‘luxury’.
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax-rate-tables
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Thanks for the info Banksy. Yes i suppose it could be worse, sounds like BW7 isnt so bad after all. I have noticed on the VW website that the Clubsport is only avaliable from stock (good luck). Have they put in a temporary stop or are they stopping production altogether?
I’m lead to believe that UK orders have stopped permanently and I’d put money on that continuing to be the case, however VW product strategists are quick to react, especially where there’s potential money to be made
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Ive been to the dealership today for an update. I'm being told its now BW 21 next year!
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Ive been to the dealership today for an update. I'm being told its now BW 21 next year!
When did you order?
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September last year
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I’m lead to believe that UK orders have stopped permanently and I’d put money on that continuing to be the case, however VW product strategists are quick to react, especially where there’s potential money to be made
I won’t pretend to know the first thing about VW sales strategists but there’s probably very limited demand for Clubsports, and less still once they go over £40k and the difference in price between a Clubby and an R isn’t huge. For VW there’s probably better profit margins in the UK on R’s that have a bit of spec thrown at them. I hardly ever see examples of either around and let’s face it, with a long lead time for a humble Golf why would you(?) unless there’s was literally nothing else that appealed to you, particularly if you’re in receipt of company car allowances which likely explains why I see dozens of EV6’s and Ionic 5’s where a few years ago it was Golf R’s and 3 Series BMW’s that prevailed.
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Arrived
(https://i.postimg.cc/kGy5pQtq/20221024-090356.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2LVmqBwK)
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Lovely, quite a rare sight!
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I won’t pretend to know the first thing about VW sales strategists but there’s probably very limited demand for Clubsports, and less still once they go over £40k and the difference in price between a Clubby and an R isn’t huge. For VW there’s probably better profit margins in the UK on R’s that have a bit of spec thrown at them. I hardly ever see examples of either around and let’s face it, with a long lead time for a humble Golf why would you(?) unless there’s was literally nothing else that appealed to you, particularly if you’re in receipt of company car allowances which likely explains why I see dozens of EV6’s and Ionic 5’s where a few years ago it was Golf R’s and 3 Series BMW’s that prevailed.
If you have a company car allowance you'd be daft not to choose an EV. Sorry but you really would be crazy to pick a Golf.
As for EV6/Ironic 5... I suspect their lead times are very short... compared to anything made by VW.
My mate has just taken delivery of a Polestar.... I'm quite jealous actually.
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My mate has just taken delivery of a Polestar.... I'm quite jealous actually.
I do see a fair few Polestars around too, they seem to have achieved the classy classical yet ultra modern blend quite well with the design. They exude an air of class unlike a certain rocket ship jelly-mould styling ethos from a well known competitor. I guess the trade off is that said jelly-mould shape leads to greater efficiency despite still having the rocket ship potential.
Back on track: congrats simonwhite! :cool:
I’m sure the mk8 Clubby is even rarer than the Ed40 Clubby - they should give us numbered plaques :whistle:
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Hi all. Just jumped on someone else’s cancelled CS order. Nothing official but dealer expects it end of ‘23, beginning of ‘24. Not sure when it was originally ordered, so it’ll be interesting to see what happens. Fingers crossed it isn’t cancelled.
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Welcome Doc, that’s a remarkably long wait still. Kudos for everyone’s patience with build waits. Mind you I suppose there’s not much else out there worth buying if you require a car in that particular segment so you just play the waiting game.
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It is, I’ll be replacing my a35 with it, and I can’t wait. I’ve missed my old 7.5 Performance since the day I switch. I was biding my time, and tried to order about 2 days after they closed the books. I had ordered a standard GTI, but I was having doubts, until my dealer called me and said they’d had a cancellation, and offered me the car. Nearly had their hand off. I honestly think this might be a car I keep forever, so long as it gets here that is. Nothing makes you smile like a GTI.
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What is it you don’t like about the A35 or is it just that you miss having a Golf?
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I’ve had a fair few golf’s, and it does very much feel like coming home going back to a GTI, but there are a lot of reasons I’m not keen on the a35.
First off, it’s a very capable car. It’s damn fast, the wheel feels nice and there’s plenty of feedback, not to mention it makes a great noise, but it’s all very sensible and clinical. It’s like going to a really good gig with a great light show, and finding out the band is miming along. It’s technically brilliant, but it doesn’t feel like you matter. There’s nothing special about it.
Then there’s the laundry list of issues it’s had over the last 24 months. At delivery, the leather seats were loose and saggy all round, an issue that, 3 sets of seats later, still doesn’t have a fix. It’s a class wide issue Mercedes haven’t resolved in over 2 years. Delivery was extra disappointing as the dealership had marred every panel of the car, and scratched every wheel installing the locking wheel nuts. Fortunately they paid to have it polished and the wheels powder coated, and you can’t blame that on Mercedes. Then, the boot lid ate part of the rear bumper down to the paint as it settled. That was another week in the body shop. On recieving the car back, the bumper they’d had to take off and paint was sagging. New clips were ordered and took 2 months to arrive. That still didn’t fix the problem, so another 2 months and a set of tail lights later it’s finally sorted. Then, the servo for the rear adaptive suspension failed and would rotate until the shock couldn’t adjust any more, then sit there clicking. That was fixed by the dealership who had the part on hand, and just in time for the alarm to die. 3 o’clock every morning it would go off, without fail. 4 months later, it was finally repaired after replacing the overhead control unit, and the siren. Another class-wide fault. Most recently, the passenger seat heater has started to fail, and requires parts. Another 4 month minimum wait.
The supplying dealer have been awful. They were no help with the seat issue, as I’m 200 miles away, and basically told me they’d buy the car from me, leaving me 8 grand out of pocket, if I wanted rid of it. Mercedes themselves have been equally useless. I’m still waiting on a call from mid 2021. They must have a long backlog. The only saving grace have been my local dealer, who have been fantastic. They’ve helped sort the seats, given me courtesy cars whenever I’ve needed one (I’m in a chair and can’t get anywhere without a car), including when Mercedes roadside assist gave me a Passat from enterprise that appeared to have spent its life as an ash tray, and wouldn’t help at all.
Combine that with the fact that the 7.5 GTI was the best car I ever owned, it was a bit of a sharp decline.
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Thats quite a catalog of fail...
Even with all of the Mk8 foibles, you should be better off than that!
Maybe by the time you get your clubby VW might have even fixed the Mk8 problems :whistle:
TBH German cars are getting their lunch eaten by the Koreans and soon the Chinese too. I think the days of a booming German car industry are at their end.
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Crikey Doc that’s quite a catalog indeed.
A shame because it sounds like an otherwise very good car.
I spent a fair bit of time looking at A35’s when they came out as a colleague of mine was mildly obsessed with getting one, he never did though and got a SEAT Ateca on the Mobility scheme (as it didn’t cost him anything) instead.
Considering there was a lot of interest in A35’s a year or three ago there seem to be surprisingly few around. I’ve only ever seen a couple.
Hopefully the “Avon calling” bing bongs of the mk8 Golf will be fully sorted by the time the Morgan like wait time of Clubsports in this thread are finally over. It’s an otherwise superb car.
As Fred says, the Koreans and Germans seem to have traded places now. A canny move by the Koreans to headhunt the best German engineers and designers along with an ambitious approach has paid off.
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It is a shame. I know I’m worse off than most, but there are many cars with more than one of the issues I’ve had. Like I said though, I still preferred my GTI. I wasn’t able to properly test drive a 35 before I bought it. It was during peak pandemic, and the only black one that wasn’t emissions embargoed. There wasn’t even a demonstrator available. I had to buy it from Manchester (I’m in the northeast). It’s for sure faster than any GTI, but it’s less fun. I’ve had issues on cars before (had a 7.5 Golf GT that was lemon lawed thanks to an electrical fault that couldn’t be tracked down) and even my last GTI had both headlights replaced as they were both full of condensation. Fact of the matter is, both VW and the dealer have always had my back.
Speaking of the Koreans, had some fun in an i40N and a stinger gt the other day. They’re a proper riot. The stinger actually felt quite Mercedes like in terms of its interior, and at the price I’m not sure you can beat it. The i40 felt like a proper fun hot hatch. I’m interested to see the new GR Corolla, not that it’s coming to the UK (yet). Japan may be upping their game again in response.
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Still know where my next car £ will go and it 100% won't be headed to Korea or China!
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Order date: 21st April 2021
What: Clubsport, Dolphin, Estorils, DCC, HUD, HK, Rev Cam, Winter Pack (front), Pan Roof, Park Assist
Updates:
- 22nd September - no confirmed build week (previously estimated as May 23)
- 16th December - build week 48 (2022) confirmed but no information showing even though 16th December is end of bw 48. Dealer said golfs with confirmed build weeks of week 42 and later also not showing as completed and therefore currently min six week delay to confirmed dates
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Jeez... Two years wait? For a golf... Total vw fail :cry:
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Ordered Aug 2021, update from last August was to be BW8 then recently BW removed . Dealer enquiry with VWUK shows BW29 so this is also looking like 2 years.
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That is mental. I ordered my clubsport at the same time. So I just assumed it was in someone else possession now. Since then I’ve had four cars and now have a 6th month old 2nd hand Clubsport 45
Absolutely mental.
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Similar - Ordered June 21 , Update in Sept 2022 was Build week 6 told last week showing as week 11 but not locked in. :rolleyes:
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Similar - Ordered June 21 , Update in Sept 2022 was Build week 6 told last week showing as week 11 but not locked in. :rolleyes:
Probably looking at 2 years! Mine took 19 months in the end!
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Received a long awaited order update today, my last one being in September last year.
Ordered my car at the end of March last year, and today the Dealer's told me the car's previously assigned build week of 22/2023 has now been binned by VW. The Dealer does not think my car will now be built until 2024! <sigh>. Although apparently VW performance models and EVs are taking priority so it may happen, but there is little solace in that. :whistle: They asked if I wished to cancel my order, to which I said "no".
At this moment in time, I'll stay in the queue, as long as my Mk6 continues (she's just over 199k miles now) I'll wait. Though the news has dashed my new year enthusiasm that I'd be hopefully be getting my car in the summer. On a positive, if it ever does turn up it may have backlit heating controls! :grin:
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Are you guys still getting the original deal honoured in terms of PCP /APR/ monthlies?
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I'm getting so fed up with this. My local dealer is offering a 2nd hand Clubsport with 1500 miles for £47K!!
Don't like the BMW driver image but really thinking about ditching it and going for a nearly new M240i X drive. There are a few available similar price and mileage as above but you get a 3 litre straight 6 and 4wd. And leather. And the right number of doors.
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I'm getting so fed up with this. My local dealer is offering a 2nd hand Clubsport with 1500 miles for £47K!!
That's insane! Mine was £36,400 new in March '21 with no kind of deal, as I pulled the trigger quick on a stock car.
Over ten grand difference. Crazy!
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Are you guys still getting the original deal honoured in terms of PCP /APR/ monthlies?
I am assuming so based on previous posts and not changing my order, if there is any attempt by the dealer to change the terms I’ll strongly object and try to hold them to the contract
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Are you guys still getting the original deal honoured in terms of PCP /APR/ monthlies?
I am assuming so based on previous posts and not changing my order, if there is any attempt by the dealer to change the terms I’ll strongly object and try to hold them to the contract
Ok that makes sense for why ppl are holding on.
So just thinking out loud, do you think the dealers are kicking these long supply times down the road to try to get customers to cancel so they don't have to supply a car at 3% APR when the going rate is now 9% for example?
Whether its a builder, plumber or the Motor trade if you want customers to walk or go somewhere else you give long lead times. You're not cancelling and you're not giving a negative service, just trying to nudge the order away to someone else so you don't have to complete a contract. So with that in mind will VW finance or the franchise have pressure applied to not complete as many of these deals as possible?
I personally think they don't want to supply these cars and are trying to get out of it in the current climate with lead times.
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The dealer has no say on the APR on any new finance agreement it is set in stone by VW finance. So the dealer doesn’t care if it’s 3% or 9% they get the same fixed handling fee by VW finance.
I am surprised VW haven’t cancelled old orders like some manufacturers have done recently BMW probably the worst culprit. Not even making an alternative offer just point blank cancelling the order.
Lots of manufacturers no longer offer price protection and I am sure it’s something VW will follow suit with soon….
Hang on in there it will be and is going to be worth waiting for!
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Are you guys still getting the original deal honoured in terms of PCP /APR/ monthlies?
I am assuming so based on previous posts and not changing my order, if there is any attempt by the dealer to change the terms I’ll strongly object and try to hold them to the contract
I understand they have to honour the car price but don’t see how a consumer has any power over the finance deal. The finance wasn’t locked in or applied for when the desposit was put down
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If it wasn’t applied for and accepted then zero chance….
Even if it was applied for and accepted the acceptance only lasts 90days so would need to be re-approved and at that point they could well say ah no…..
I’ve heard of an unusual amount of cases in this situation recently. Customer of mine ordered an Audi Q5 great offer back in the summer 2022 car arrives end of the year and they decline new application. Customer has a 999 Experian score so I had to find a completely different offer for them. Luckily a decent offer came through on a Tiguan R-line not financed through VW finance and boom auto approved.
Clearly VW finance didn’t want to honour original deal given how the cost of borrowing has changed in the last 6 months…
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I had such a squeaky bum when it came to pick mine up and all the paperwork was finalised. I was promised by the dealer that the original car price and finance would be honored, but I was never 100% convinced. It was though, even though there was a tense moment when picking up the car and the dealership manager came by and went "nice car, you have really stolen this off us at this price"
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i have an email from my dealer which says the following;
'Also to confirm you will be protected against all price increases and interest changes moving forward that would make you worse off, but you’d be better off should they move in the other direction.'
i will hopefully be picking up a new car 1st March with this email printed out just in case. the deal feels too good to be true.
i have had to extend the finance recently though and had to settle for the current APR which is large.
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I have the same email, apr, purchase price and monthly price are all fixed.
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Hi all.
What would your thoughts be on being told: build week 10, unconfirmed!
Reflex Silver with Adelaides. Good luck all :angry: :smiley:
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Hi all.
What would your thoughts be on being told: build week 10, unconfirmed!
Reflex Silver with Adelaides. Good luck all :angry: :smiley:
I guess it would depend when you originally ordered, so how long you have been waiting?
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Hi all.
What would your thoughts be on being told: build week 10, unconfirmed!
Reflex Silver with Adelaides. Good luck all :angry: :smiley:
Is this 2024 or 2025?
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Are you guys still getting the original deal honoured in terms of PCP /APR/ monthlies?
I am assuming so based on previous posts and not changing my order, if there is any attempt by the dealer to change the terms I’ll strongly object and try to hold them to the contract
I understand they have to honour the car price but don’t see how a consumer has any power over the finance deal. The finance wasn’t locked in or applied for when the desposit was put down
As long as they honour the deposit contribution, I plan to pay off immediately in the 14 day window or whatever it is.
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I have now been advised week 24 (moved from 11) that will be over 2 years (ordered June 21). What a farce!!!!!!
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I have now been advised week 24 (moved from 11) that will be over 2 years (ordered June 21). What a farce!!!!!!
Yes mine is similar. BW25, ordered Jul 21.
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Just want to say thanks to the others waiting for Clubsport on this thread that mentioned honouring apr , I hadn’t thought of that but now got written confirmation from dealer apr, price and trade in will all be honoured as per when order was placed 👍.
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Very lucky to get traded in honoured. They won’t do that in mine. Since the car will be twice is current age, and mileage. Well done!
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I thought it was bad for me with waiting 19 months but it just seems like it's getting worse and worse?
Can't wait until Q4 figures from last year get released soon to see how many they have put on the road so far. Up until Q3 there were only 812 on the road!
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i have a Clubsport which should be with me April time - i have been given a build date. however i got sick and tired of waiting so went and got myself an RS4 instead. so if anyone is interested in the Clubsport, let me know. specification is as follows:
Golf GTI Clubsport
Dolphin Grey Metallic
19" Adelaide Wheels
Winter Pack with front and rear heated seats, heated steering wheel and 3 zone climate
Dynamic Chassis Control
Rear View Camera
Please message me if you are interested, make me an offer!
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Just had an update on mine. Ordered september 21 and being told it could be another year away!!
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Just had an update on mine. Ordered september 21 and being told it could be another year away!!
No update on my manual GTI, also ordered Sept 21. :cry: :cry:
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Its rediculous! But if you cancel, what do you go for? Everyones in the same boat!
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Its rediculous! But if you cancel, what do you go for? Everyones in the same boat!
Food for thought, Mrs Stretts ordered a 128ti August last year. Collected end of December. VW take note!!!
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Then there’s the laundry list of issues it’s had over the last 24 months. At delivery, the leather seats were loose and saggy all round, an issue that, 3 sets of seats later, still doesn’t have a fix. It’s a class wide issue Mercedes haven’t resolved in over 2 years. Delivery was extra disappointing as the dealership had marred every panel of the car, and scratched every wheel installing the locking wheel nuts. Fortunately they paid to have it polished and the wheels powder coated, and you can’t blame that on Mercedes. Then, the boot lid ate part of the rear bumper down to the paint as it settled. That was another week in the body shop. On recieving the car back, the bumper they’d had to take off and paint was sagging. New clips were ordered and took 2 months to arrive. That still didn’t fix the problem, so another 2 months and a set of tail lights later it’s finally sorted. Then, the servo for the rear adaptive suspension failed and would rotate until the shock couldn’t adjust any more, then sit there clicking. That was fixed by the dealership who had the part on hand, and just in time for the alarm to die. 3 o’clock every morning it would go off, without fail. 4 months later, it was finally repaired after replacing the overhead control unit, and the siren. Another class-wide fault. Most recently, the passenger seat heater has started to fail, and requires parts. Another 4 month minimum wait.
The supplying dealer have been awful. They were no help with the seat issue, as I’m 200 miles away, and basically told me they’d buy the car from me, leaving me 8 grand out of pocket, if I wanted rid of it. Mercedes themselves have been equally useless. I’m still waiting on a call from mid 2021. They must have a long backlog. The only saving grace have been my local dealer, who have been fantastic. They’ve helped sort the seats, given me courtesy cars whenever I’ve needed one (I’m in a chair and can’t get anywhere without a car), including when Mercedes roadside assist gave me a Passat from enterprise that appeared to have spent its life as an ash tray, and wouldn’t help
For anyone playing along at home, the A35 has now decided it wants to be FWD, so at least now I can feel like I have my GTI. Manufacturing fault number 5.
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Had an email from my dealer informing me that mine has is at stage 10 (unconfirmed build week) and is pencilled for BW19 (second week in May). This doesn’t sound a lot but I’ve had it at stage 0 for years, quite literally. My order is a CS in dolphin grey on estorils with DCC, reverse cam, HK. Ordered October 2021.
I have a friend who has a 245 GTI pencilled in for BW18 too.
So do we have a case of lots of RHD GTIs currently pencilled in for an early May build or is this a pure coincidence? What are you guys hearing from your dealers?
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My CS was down for an unconfirmed build of week 17 but has now gone to 0.
Ordered May 22.
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All I’ve been told is BW10 unconfirmed which makes me think it could be status 10 unconfirmed awaiting build week. When I press the lease broker all I get is (still expected May/June). I’ve had finance approved by the funder (major lease provider) so am hopeful that I’ve been allocated a car from their allocation ordered at some point early last year.
Even with the SLI I have no hope of speaking to the supplying dealer or VW as they are inundated with such requests.
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Had an email from my dealer informing me that mine has is at stage 10 (unconfirmed build week) and is pencilled for BW19 (second week in May). This doesn’t sound a lot but I’ve had it at stage 0 for years, quite literally. My order is a CS in dolphin grey on estorils with DCC, reverse cam, HK. Ordered October 2021.
I have a friend who has a 245 GTI pencilled in for BW18 too.
So do we have a case of lots of RHD GTIs currently pencilled in for an early May build or is this a pure coincidence? What are you guys hearing from your dealers?
Ordered October 21 and still no build date. Last update was VW have removed the unconfirmed build slot and now back awaiting a build slot with no ETA :sad:
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Order date: 21st April 2021
What: Clubsport, Dolphin, Estorils, DCC, HUD, HK, Rev Cam, Winter Pack (front), Pan Roof, Park Assist
Updates:
- 22nd September - no confirmed build week (previously estimated as May 23)
- 16th December - build week 48 (2022) confirmed but no information showing even though 16th December is end of bw 48. Dealer said golfs with confirmed build weeks of week 42 and later also not showing as completed and therefore currently min six week delay to confirmed dates
Picking up from dealer a week tomorrow! will post pictures and share sw version etc once got.
bigger paddles, footrest and some sill insert thingys on order.
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Good luck for next week Kenis :cool:
And may yours be bong free! 🤞🏻
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(https://i.postimg.cc/XvCW95TB/2-E3-B6302-35-C7-46-D3-8-C0-B-FBD72-E8-A1752.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Went in for a brake fluid change and saw this shiny beast. VW Chelmsford in case it’s not sold.
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Being as it’s registered it’s probably spoken for, lovely looking example too.
Boy would you be miffed if you had one on order with an eternal lead time from the same dealership you happened to walk into only see a new unregistered/unallocated vehicle!
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I am sure someone will be taking it home tomorrow on the new plate
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quick update as picked the car up this morning, all had time to do was drive it back home and tuck it away but two geeky/minor interior things that surprised me and must have missed elsewhere in the forum thread as part of MY23 changes
1) It has GTI lettering on the seats like the 45 (but its not a 45)
2) the door card material is alcantara (or equiv) but I thought various videos/reviews said it didnt have that.
the expected MY23 thing was piano black all round centre console.
Couple of photos (even though dirty and still has some of the transport stuff on it - detailers is not for 10 days)
(https://i.postimg.cc/SQ5G0Gkd/New-Car-1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/T3jjDMmN/New-Car-2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/y8CXxYJS/New-Car-3.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Those seats and door cards are a step up from my GTI. Envious. Enjoy.
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Congrats at last Kenis.
Looks great in that colour and spec and the seats and door cards look much more how they should have from the launch.
Fingers crossed for no tech gremlins!
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Very nice Kenis. Very similar spec to what I have ordered (black wheels, no park assist or HUD) so great to see how amazing it looks. I was debating between Dolphin and Kings, looks like I made the right choice.
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Very nice Kenis. Very similar spec to what I have ordered (black wheels, no park assist or HUD) so great to see how amazing it looks. I was debating between Dolphin and Kings, looks like I made the right choice.
Definitely. Pictures don’t do justice to how the red accents pop against the grey. Front whiskers a little lost - but so are the side stickers. Been debating removing them and black vinyl wrapping the back half of the roof but don’t think will now.
One minor discovery today - seems I was given mats for a LHD car in error :grin:
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Definitely. Pictures don’t do justice to how the red accents pop against the grey. Front whiskers a little lost - but so are the side stickers.
I used to have and Indium Grey 7.5PP and the red on grey was gorgeous. I've been toying with the idea of having the vinyl replaced with some colour matched red vinyl, as well as the adding clubsport logo on the rear doors. Might be a bit much but I plan on mocking it up at some point. If not, might just add a black clubsport logo under some PPF. For now though I'll have to settle for being jealous of yours.
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quick update as picked the car up this morning, all had time to do was drive it back home and tuck it away but two geeky/minor interior things that surprised me and must have missed elsewhere in the forum thread as part of MY23 changes
1) It has GTI lettering on the seats like the 45 (but its not a 45)
2) the door card material is alcantara (or equiv) but I thought various videos/reviews said it didnt have that.
the expected MY23 thing was piano black all round centre console.
Couple of photos (even though dirty and still has some of the transport stuff on it - detailers is not for 10 days)
(https://i.postimg.cc/SQ5G0Gkd/New-Car-1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/T3jjDMmN/New-Car-2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/y8CXxYJS/New-Car-3.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Very nice indeed!👌 That was my second choice of colour after KR, probably would have gone for it had my last three GTI’s not all been carbon grey, the GTI seat logos are now standard across the GTI range, but you still only get the lovely art velours on the clubby, I did hear that the door inserts were all now alcantara too, but not 100% sure on that one.
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What tyres come with the 19" estorils?
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Ive just put Eagle F1's on my 7.5 pp and there great!
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What tyres come with the 19" estorils?
Mine has come with Bridgestone Potenzas S005 - pretty sure that’s what my mk6 came with 14 years ago!
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What tyres come with the 19" estorils?
Mine has come with Bridgestone Potenzas S005 - pretty sure that’s what my mk6 came with 14 years ago!
I have those on my new R as well. Are they good?
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What tyres come with the 19" estorils?
Mine has come with Bridgestone Potenzas S005 - pretty sure that’s what my mk6 came with 14 years ago!
I have those on my new R as well. Are they good?
I think the general consensus is not as good as Michelin or Goodyear. I also found this https://youtu.be/sKFdBXwWc9w
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Thanks for that. Interesting. I'm not planning on taking her on the track so not a big issue.
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I’ve had Mich pilot sport 4s popped onto my base GTI ( I have a tyre contract and I managed to somehow wear the originals down to 2mm). They replaced the standard tyres and the difference is definite. Much better grip.
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I’ve also always been a fan of the ps4s. I found they did much more mileage before they were worn, too. Especially compared to the p zeros and potenzas I had as stock tires.
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👍 the chap at my local ATS Euromaster said they were significantly better tyres than the original ones. A rated vs C rated, whatever that means.
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New to the forum and has really helped…. I thought it was just me.
Ordered Clubsport Dolphin Grey, DCC, 19 in aderlaide and upgraded stereo and winter pack.
Ordered Oct 21, no date as of yet. I guess I am not the only one.
Currently have 7.5 White silver GTI with performance pack. I drive 35k miles per year. Not sure it will survive this ridiculous wait. Car on 136k miles, anyone know how long I’ll be able to go for.
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Aberdeen dealer offering a pre-reg Clubsport for sale - no mention of mileage
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New to the forum and has really helped…. I thought it was just me.
Ordered Clubsport Dolphin Grey, DCC, 19 in aderlaide and upgraded stereo and winter pack.
Ordered Oct 21, no date as of yet. I guess I am not the only one.
Currently have 7.5 White silver GTI with performance pack. I drive 35k miles per year. Not sure it will survive this ridiculous wait. Car on 136k miles, anyone know how long I’ll be able to go for.
In your shoes I’d be finding a lowish mileage 7.5 TCR for circa £30k -£33k as a mile muncher. Excellent spec as standard and no random built in tech gremlins.
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So latest update today is unconfirmed build week 38 and estimated time of arrival October. Ordered October 2021 GTi CS. Might just get it one day!
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New to the forum and has really helped…. I thought it was just me.
Ordered Clubsport Dolphin Grey, DCC, 19 in aderlaide and upgraded stereo and winter pack.
Ordered Oct 21, no date as of yet. I guess I am not the only one.
Currently have 7.5 White silver GTI with performance pack. I drive 35k miles per year. Not sure it will survive this ridiculous wait. Car on 136k miles, anyone know how long I’ll be able to go for.
You're definitely not the only one Blaze04, hang in there. As for your Mk7.5 GTI enduring until your new car turns up. If you look after it, I think you should be fine if my current Mk6 GTI is anything to go by. :wink:
Was the 1 year order anniversary of my Clubsport this week (ordered March 2022), rang the dealer for an update. Unsurprisingly the update hadn't changed from the official one back at the start of the new year. When I was informed that my unconfirmed build week 22/2023 had been ditched - so my car order still has the tag of "vapourware" after 12 months. :grin: Personally if my order turns up this year I'll be impressed, but I'm not expecting it to.
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Well, for the first time in months today I received an unconfirmed build week In middle May. Not going to hang my hat just yet, it has moved before.
Thank you to everyone who has commented, appreciate it. :smiley:
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When did you order?
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Ordered late October 2021
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Ordered late October 2021
Yeah same as me, mine is unconfirmed for October :undecided:
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Well, for the first time in months today I received an unconfirmed build week In middle May. Not going to hang my hat just yet, it has moved before.
Thank you to everyone who has commented, appreciate it. :smiley:
Ours will be built together by the sound of it. I also ordered a dolphin grey CS in Oct 2021 with DCC, HK, reversing cam but with Estorils. Confirmed build week of 19 (2nd week of May)
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Finally been given a locked in Build week of 20, looks like we will all be taking delivery around the same time.
Dealer said build week 13 currently.
Ordered June 21.
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Potentially very good news guys :smiley:
The wait might have been painful but when you’re paying 2021 prices and a vanilla Clubby is now a whisker under £42k list it’s not so bad! Even a vanilla R was probably £39k when some of you ordered and they’re around £44k-ish now :rolleyes:
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My 2021 clubsport has gone up for sale after I traded it in. Approved used - for the same price I paid two years ago. Bonkers
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My 2021 clubsport has gone up for sale after I traded it in. Approved used - for the same price I paid two years ago. Bonkers
There are a few 2021 Golf R’s up for sale at over £41k being clearly advertised as “low tax bracket model” which will have meant they were sold for sub £40k new two years ago.
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Hi guys,
been looking on here a while
ordered my clubsport Nov2021
estimated build week 20, keeping my fingers crossed
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Just paid £38k for CS45 with 16k miles - it's the higher tax bracket - no options
DCC definitely asks a premium of more than the £800 it costs.....at that price it should have been standard!!
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Oh my God!!
Build week confirmed Week 20.
At last we can get excited.
Does build week confirmation mean it can’t be moved?
One happy GTI owner tonight.
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Oh my God!!
Build week confirmed Week 20.
At last we can get excited.
Does build week confirmation mean it can’t be moved?
One happy GTI owner tonight.
I read on another forum within the last couple of weeks that VW’s Wolfsburg factory is currently running 4-7 weeks behind schedule (not too many weeks ago it was 11 weeks behind schedule, so they are at least catching up). Therefore confirmed build week 20 could actually be somewhere in the range of week 24-27.
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Oh my God!!
Build week confirmed Week 20.
At last we can get excited.
Does build week confirmation mean it can’t be moved?
One happy GTI owner tonight.
Ordered mine October 21, latest update was unconfirmed build week 38, hoping it moves forward!
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Yes currently some Golf’s can be delayed upto 11 weeks from confirmed build week.
They announced yesterday they have cleared up all delayed cars from build week 1-5 :whistle:
Like that’s something to celebrate….
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Has anyone recently received their new car and been presented with any face lifted upgrades or anything that they didn't expect ?
I ordered my CS in October 2021 and last I heard my unconfirmed build week was week 28 2023 (which is late July)
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If you go onto the VW configuration to build a ClubSport the visual is showing the car being produced with a black roof (which would be exactly what I'd like my order to look like) ..... has anyone recently received their new order and been presented with a black roof or even presented with other face lifted upgrades to that matter ???
I ordered my CS in October 2021 and last I heard my unconfirmed build week was week 28 2023 (which is late July)
I’ve just gone into the configurator and it shows the black roof as an extra cost option with Pure White, Moonstone Grey, Kings Red and Oryx White paint colours - see screen print below. So if you didn’t specify the black roof option when you ordered your car, I’d say your car won’t have one, unless VW include it as standard on the Clubsport before your car is built (IMHO, that’s unlikely).
(https://i.postimg.cc/mkrfSGYt/IMG-0156.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
As for cars being built with facelift features - I don’t think VW have released any official launch pictures - or details of spec changes - for the mk8 Golf mid-lifecycle facelift yet. AFAIK, the facelift car isn’t due to go on sale until sometime next year. It’s been suggested in various motoring publications that the facelift model will get a larger touchscreen, maybe the return of actual buttons on the steering wheel rather than haptic touch pads, and some of the physical controls for certain functions may return rather than pretty much all functions being accessed via touchscreens. Based on previous VW facelifts, other facelift changes are likely to consist of revised bumper designs, headlamp and tail lamp designs. Sometimes VW introduce new new alloy wheel designs, one or two new paint colours and new upholstery designs as part of facelift changes.
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Anyone with a clubby mind telling me how the plates are mounted? Is there a front plate mount like in the mk7, and is there holes for the rear plate?
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Anyone with a clubby mind telling me how the plates are mounted? Is there a front plate mount like in the mk7, and is there holes for the rear plate?
My front plate is screwed directly into the bumper (no mount) and the rear is mounted on a dealer branded number plate surround, again screwed into the bumper using numberplate screws.
I’ve never looked to see whether there are pre-drilled holes in the bumper cover, in fact thinking about it I dread to think how filthy the bumpers are beneath my numberplates…
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Brilliant, ta. I’ll ask my supplying dealer not to fit the front plate and use a tow hook plate mount then. If there’s no mount, I’d hope there’s no holes.
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The start of week 19 2023, hopefully this week is ‘the week’ for most of us!
Thankfully Wolfsburg FC have no midweek home games so less chance of any weary or hungover workers :smiley: hopefully the currywurst sausage is in plentiful demand
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Yes Banksygti, I checked in with dealer and was told still on for building w/c 15th May. Unfortunately I will believe it when I see it lol.
October 2021 ordered, madness.
Fingers crossed for us all waiting for a big week we hope.
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Blaze04, what spec have you gone for? Ordered mine in September 21 but still no confirmed build date as yet.
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Blaze04, what spec have you gone for? Ordered mine in September 21 but still no confirmed build date as yet.
Hi Adammd209,
I ordered Moonstone Grey, Harmon+Kardon sound system, DCC, Winter pack & 19in Adelaid wheels.....ordered late October 21.
You?
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Hi Blaze, I went for white, DCC and black Estorils
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Blaze04, what spec have you gone for? Ordered mine in September 21 but still no confirmed build date as yet.
Same order date as me. Upgraded the wheels and added winter pack. Estimated delivery October but not confirmed :sad:
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Hi All,
Ordered mine Nov 21,
Met black, adelaide wheers,panoramic roof,dcc, winter pack front and rear and reverse camera.
In build this week but they are apparently a month behind and now have issues at port due to backlog of cars n less cargo ships,
Hoping for August delivery
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Build week for me also not had any update from dealer, and don't really want to chase to avoid further disappointment :grin: if they are a month behind or whatever , it feels like "give them a locked in date and fresh hope" when that again is an unrealistic date.
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According to my dealer, my car is sat waiting for a boat. Supposedly built w/c 8th May. Mine won’t be the only RHD Clubsport in this position so I’d guess that mine is sat next to most of yours
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Apparently mine is sat waiting for a boat too. Ordered September 2021. Kings Red, Pan Roof, DCC and Adelaides.
What do we reckon prices are going to look like on these cars come 6 months time?
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Mine is built and at port as well, must be a full ship of clubsports waiting to come across !!!!!!
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hi
just had an email and mine is built and at the vw factory waiting to go to the port
they did mention delays in shipping however
how long do you reckon from now to collecting, 6 wks??
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My dealer was adamant that I would have it by end of June latest he said they have factored into their figures £££££ for June.
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Vinyl_Addict-- where is your vw dealer, hope my dealer has the same idea
my car was ordered via JCB Medway with free delivery upto Leeds
i may go collect it though
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I am in Scotland mate, I said to my dealer I was away on holiday second week July and he said I would defo have by then, seemed to think it would be in UK mid June and with them towards end of June.
Reason i am thinking its accurate he said they had a Clubsport handed over to a customer last week who ordered several weeks before me, and that seemed to be the timeline for that car.
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lets hope so eh.
ordered mine Nov 2021 so hopefully not had to wait as long as you have
2yrs to wait is mad really isn't it,
anyway really looking forward getting the car now
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Contacted my dealer today, even though i ordered September 2021, they still dont have a confirmed date... how long can it be? Two years for a Golf is rediculous!
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Contacted my dealer today, even though i ordered September 2021, they still dont have a confirmed date... how long can it be? Two years for a Golf is rediculous!
Same as me, ordered October 21 but still no confirmed build date. Wish they would bloody hurry up :grin:
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Maybe they have forgotten about September :huh:
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It's not just the club sport that's delayed. I also ordered my Manual GTi mid September 2021. Many build dates have come and gone. Still no confirmed date.😔😔. I did contact VWUK but got no answer. I did get a customer service feedback from which was fun.
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I have spoken to my dealer following my order October 21, build week was w/c 15th May…..guess where the car is? Oh yes down at the docks with sea salt getting all over it 😡.
No date confirmed but assume June/July now
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I have received an update on my order. Apparently my order has now been assigned a build week for the end of August 2023. I ordered my Clubsport right at the end of March 2022.
Though I asked the dealer to clarify what he meant by "assigned" :whistle: And as I suspected this is a provisional date, and not 'locked in' with the factory. So whilst it is some good news at last, as I was told at the start of the year not to expect my car until 2024, I'm not getting my hopes up. :tongue:
Gone from 12 months at point of order (which I took with a pinch of salt), to building in May '23, to July '23, to no build week, to now August 2023.
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Ordered via lease company November 2021 (Moonstone + Black Estorils) and been told will be with dealer 12th July for onward delivery. Blimey it’s been a long wait…..neatly there!
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I have received an update on my order. Apparently my order has now been assigned a build week for the end of August 2023. I ordered my Clubsport right at the end of March 2022.
Though I asked the dealer to clarify what he meant by "assigned" :whistle: And as I suspected this is a provisional date, and not 'locked in' with the factory. So whilst it is some good news at last, as I was told at the start of the year not to expect my car until 2024, I'm not getting my hopes up. :tongue:
Gone from 12 months at point of order (which I took with a pinch of salt), to building in May '23, to July '23, to no build week, to now August 2023.
Similar to mine, I put the order in May 22 and have been given an unconfirmed build week 37 (September).
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If anyone is looking for a clubby, VW Newcastle Scotswood Road have one with a confirmed build week available when I was in. Call for Scot 01912263300.
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My order was placed October 2021, today I heard from dealer that it was Status 20 with confirmed build week 27, which is first week of July. I assume if thats date sticks it could be in the UK and available to take delivery for the new 73 plate reg..... if not sooner.
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For those who's cars were sitting at port just had a call from my dealer he said mine should be in uk in next 24/48 hours and depending on how quick he can get it transported I should have it in the next 10 days or so.
Finally, some 2 years plus later!!!!!!
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For those who's cars were sitting at port just had a call from my dealer he said mine should be in uk in next 24/48 hours and depending on how quick he can get it transported I should have it in the next 10 days or so.
Finally, some 2 years plus later!!!!!!
Sounds like progress for you. Are you north (Grimsby) or south (Sheerness)?
I have a GTD that was in transit from factory to Emden on 15th of May, since then nothing. Although there is a ship leaving Emden today expected in Sheerness tomorrow, so I have everything crossed that I hear something soon.
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I ordered an R in March 22.....not heard a thing. I filled the gap with and M2 and now a CS45......not sure I'll be keeping the order if/when I get an update on delivery.
At least someone will be happy at some point collecting their R that they didn't have to wait too long for.
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For those who's cars were sitting at port just had a call from my dealer he said mine should be in uk in next 24/48 hours and depending on how quick he can get it transported I should have it in the next 10 days or so.
Finally, some 2 years plus later!!!!!!
Sounds like progress for you. Are you north (Grimsby) or south (Sheerness)?
I have a GTD that was in transit from factory to Emden on 15th of May, since then nothing. Although there is a ship leaving Emden today expected in Sheerness tomorrow, so I have everything crossed that I hear something soon.
Didn't get that level of detail mate. I was just happy to hear it was on a boat.
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For those who's cars were sitting at port just had a call from my dealer he said mine should be in uk in next 24/48 hours and depending on how quick he can get it transported I should have it in the next 10 days or so.
Finally, some 2 years plus later!!!!!!
Took a call from my dealer yesterday and car has arrived at UK port. Finally about 2 weeks from collecting.
Ordered October 21. Moonstone Grey.
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Really pleased for all those with their cars in transit... not long now!
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I’ll be curious to see how many have been delivered this year. Quarter 4 for 2022 just got released and only 30 clubsports were built! 30!
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Had an update yesterday saying I now have an unconfirmed build week 32 with ETA to dealership for September.
Ordered Oct 21
How long does it take to get a confirmed build date?
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Picking mine up on Friday. :smiley: Hope others are getting theirs soon. What a wait !!!!!!
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Had an update yesterday saying I now have an unconfirmed build week 32 with ETA to dealership for September.
Ordered Oct 21
How long does it take to get a confirmed build date?
I was about 3 weeks out from the unconfirmed (I had at least 5 ) build date when I heard mine was confirmed!!!
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Mine is in the country awaiting transport from docks to dealer, can't wait to collect it
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Confirmed build week 10th July 2023 - ordered August 2021 expected arrival to dealer early september 2023.
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Picking mine up on Friday. :smiley: Hope others are getting theirs soon. What a wait !!!!!!
Ordered Oct 21, picked it up yesterday, never test drove before I ordered.
WOW what a car, love it. Had it for 1/2 hour and treated myself to ceramic coating by a professional. Get the car back on Sunday 😆
Good luck to you who are waiting. It is worth the wait.
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All booked in to collect mine next Friday
train to Gillingham to collect then 200mile trip home to see how it drives
excited is an understatement
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2 years was madness to wait but What a car!!!!
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Stunning!
Love the colour. :cool:
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Looks fab V_A (love the wheels!)
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Looks awesome in blue, congratulations.
Still can't get my head around the delivery time though considering I ordered mine in May 21 and I've been driving it for 16 months already.
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Looks great VA! Lovely colour too. I would say worth the wait but its much more than that given the time. Reward your patience with some safe/fun driving sir.
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Hello. sorry to butt in. Can anyone tell me the list price of a base Clubsport when they could be ordered? Was there such a thing as a discount? Thanks.
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Hello. sorry to butt in. Can anyone tell me the list price of a base Clubsport when they could be ordered? Was there such a thing as a discount? Thanks.
According to the paperwork the dealer gave me for my Clubsport order I placed at the back end of March 2022. Vehicle basic price is listed as £31,262.50 ex VAT.
Appreciate there have been a few price increases since then though.
As I'm nearly into month 16, thought I'd see if the dealer had any new updates. Apparently my order is now "Status 10", build week 34 (still provisional, which I'm guessing is what the status 10 means) and will be a MY24 model.
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Hello. sorry to butt in. Can anyone tell me the list price of a base Clubsport when they could be ordered? Was there such a thing as a discount? Thanks.
List UK price at close of ordering in May was:
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The list price went up by over £1k in April for the final month before VW pulled the plug.
Discounts were small to zero generally, although there’s always someone who appears out of the woodwork who got a “bargain”
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Hello. sorry to butt in. Can anyone tell me the list price of a base Clubsport when they could be ordered? Was there such a thing as a discount? Thanks.
Mine was just over 31k ex VAT before discount as well, madness when you think of the base price now.
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Looks fab V_A (love the wheels!)
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Thank you sir :wink: taking after your good taste 👍
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Took proud delivery today after an 20 month wait. Done over 200 miles already driving it back home and it’s clearly some car! Even while running it in you can feel the capability shining through, I can’t wait to put more miles on it.
Just two more unusual items to mention/be aware of
1) Has anybody had the stop/start NOT want to disable? e.g I press the button to turn it off and nothing happened (engine stays off at traffic lights). I noticed this happen once - I turned the ignition off and on again, pressed the start/stop button and the engine then remained running as requested. Let me know if you’ve experienced similar. Nothing serious but wasn’t sure if it was pilot error!
2) Check your paint carefully! I’m having my car professionally detailed/ceramic coated and my detailer has spotted 3 areas where the paint has been polished at factory (we know this because the delivery covers were never removed from the car) and in once case, not buffed out - leaving some firm wax residue! This will come off of course but just something to make owners aware of. My car was built 12/05/2023 according to its production line code birth sheet.
Anyway, here’s some pre detail pics. I’ll post some more when it’s fully sorted. Pic at the bottom shows an example of the Wolfsburg wax!
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Looks good. Got mine from same place via DTD in same colour and wheel spec! Had slightly more of the packaging removed. Bizarrely I had lhd mats in the car (didn’t notice at pick up as like yours mine were in the boot)
Fortunately I’m close enough to the dealer they dropped me off replacements and took the others away. I have kept them unused though as got a set of the premium vw versions that are slightly thicker and have more prominent piping
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Took proud delivery today after an 20 month wait. Done over 200 miles already driving it back home and it’s clearly some car! Even while running it in you can feel the capability shining through, I can’t wait to put more miles on it.
Just two more unusual items to mention/be aware of
1) Has anybody had the stop/start NOT want to disable? e.g I press the button to turn it off and nothing happened (engine stays off at traffic lights). I noticed this happen once - I turned the ignition off and on again, pressed the start/stop button and the engine then remained running as requested. Let me know if you’ve experienced similar. Nothing serious but wasn’t sure if it was pilot error!
2) Check your paint carefully! I’m having my car professionally detailed/ceramic coated and my detailer has spotted 3 areas where the paint has been polished at factory (we know this because the delivery covers were never removed from the car) and in once case, not buffed out - leaving some firm wax residue! This will come off of course but just something to make owners aware of. My car was built 12/05/2023 according to its production line code birth sheet.
Anyway, here’s some pre detail pics. I’ll post some more when it’s fully sorted. Pic at the bottom shows an example of the Wolfsburg wax!
(https://i.postimg.cc/y89G79rz/IMG-2517.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJ9DTqpy)
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Looks good Banksy GTI, picked mine up couple of weeks ago and did the same took to detailer straight away. Car will look awesome when done. Moonstone Grey mine.
Glad you got it, enjoy it. Car is amazing.
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Finally got a confirmed build week of week 32. Delivery to dealer early November provided current lead times hold. Car was originally ordered in January/February of 2022, I jumped on the cancelled order later on.
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anyone taken delivery of a moonstone grey and can share some pictures.
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anyone taken delivery of a moonstone grey and can share some pictures.
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Here is mine, coming up to 12 months old now
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Congratulations to everyone thats picked thier new cars up recently or are waiting to pick them up. I still havent heard a thing :sad:
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Congratulations to everyone thats picked thier new cars up recently or are waiting to pick them up. I still havent heard a thing :sad:
When I had my order in, the dealership I was dealing with were quite good with updates, if you are not having much luck with yours then I would escalate with VW UK, stating that your dealership is not being very forthcoming with information on your order.
A Google search will give you details on how to do it, search for the email addresses for the head of VW UK, or even head of sales for VW. Hopefully you’ll then get updates on your order direct from VW. Ordering in September 21, and not even having a confirmed BW is terrible.
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Congratulations to everyone thats picked thier new cars up recently or are waiting to pick them up. I still havent heard a thing :sad:
You were white, DCC and Estorils weren’t you? There’s one available at my local dealer in that spec, available now if you’re interested. Check my post history.
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Yes, Black Estorils though.
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anyone taken delivery of a moonstone grey and can share some pictures.
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Yes, Black Estorils though.
It is the diamond cut Estorils, but otherwise the same then. I will admit the white does look good, has me reconsidering my choice of dolphin grey.
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Not Clubby related but I’m replacing my GTI next March and just got the above quote through. As the T Roc still runs on the old software I’m half tempted. Price seems good considering the environment at the mo.
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I agree Ubique. My wife loves the look of the T-Roc so I can well imagine we'll get one when my Clubby lease is up in a year. That price for an R on 12k mpa looks good to me.
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I’m half tempted Bill, imagine the look on my local VW dealer (who I have been b!tching at for the last two years) if I turn back up for it’s first service and ask if they can make it “bong” more?
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£518 good value? :shocked:
The world has gone mad.
I guess if your employer lumps a load of money towards it every month it’s slightly palatable.
Even so, if that was the case I’d be looking at the MG4 xpower and taking advantage of the tax benefits.
I do quite like the T-Roc R but it needs the 19” wheels to look right and it runs the same steering wheel as the mk8 Golf which is the part they blame the bongs on.
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It is Mad Ex, but I’ve been getting horrible quotes back on other makes, saying that I’ve just run an insurance quote on the web. 6 years no claims, no points and the t roc would be £80-90/ month! Off to look at that MG…
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It is Mad Ex, but I’ve been getting horrible quotes back on other makes, saying that I’ve just run an insurance quote on the web. 6 years no claims, no points and the t roc would be £80-90/ month! Off to look at that MG…
Insurance prices also seem to be crazy at the moment - so are VW dealer servicing / maintenance prices.
- A guy over on the Polo forum has recently been quoted a price of £1,148 for a cam belt change on a 1.0 litre Polo! :shocked:
- The price for a VW service plan covering the first two services is currently £360 if purchased at point of sale or £480 if bought later. I paid £199 for my service plan just under three years ago.
Looks like I’ll be using my free bus pass quite a lot when I’m eligible for one in a few years time :grin:.
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Just shows the state of play in the market these days I guess and it’s not like you can save a heap of money by running a second hand car as the value of those is daft now too, albeit dropping away a bit.
The insurance rises reflect the fact insurers are quick to write cars off nowadays due to high costs of fixing anything on EV’s, high prices of parts, scarce availability and most likely profiteering in various areas of the industry.
Just last month a colleague of mine sustained some minor damage where a van reversed into his parked car. The car went off for evaluation so they agreed that he dropped his damaged car off at a hire car depot where they’d collect it from and he picked up his courtesy loan car. Fast forward a couple weeks, the insurers deemed the minor damage a cause to write the car off and did he want a full settlement or part settlement and have his car back. He took option two as the car was otherwise fairly sound.
A few days later they phoned to say they didn’t know where the car was. They’d literally lost it somewhere.
To add insult to injury they asked for the loaner hire car back now that they’d agreed settlement.
He told them to bugger off until they’d tracked which bodyshop they’d left his own car at and returned it to him!
They ‘suspected’ it was at a site a hundred miles away, which is odd when the accident happened outside his own house :rolleyes:
And yes, dealer servicing and service plans are becoming another racket.
The 400+ bhp MG4 at £37k will get an awful lot of attention. A couple colleagues of mine have ‘normal’ versions of it and the quality doesn’t look any worse than a VW ID model. I’ll take a close look myself when the order books open this month.
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Want good value in a silly market this is as good as it gets….
https://www.selectcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/audi/a4/estate/40-tfsi-204-s-line-5dr-s-tronic?mileage=15000&term=24&initial_payment=3
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Just shows the state of play in the market these days I guess and it’s not like you can save a heap of money by running a second hand car as the value of those is daft now too, albeit dropping away a bit.
The insurance rises reflect the fact insurers are quick to write cars off nowadays due to high costs of fixing anything on EV’s, high prices of parts, scarce availability and most likely profiteering in various areas of the industry.
Just last month a colleague of mine sustained some minor damage where a van reversed into his parked car. The car went off for evaluation so they agreed that he dropped his damaged car off at a hire car depot where they’d collect it from and he picked up his courtesy loan car. Fast forward a couple weeks, the insurers deemed the minor damage a cause to write the car off and did he want a full settlement or part settlement and have his car back. He took option two as the car was otherwise fairly sound.
A few days later they phoned to say they didn’t know where the car was. They’d literally lost it somewhere.
To add insult to injury they asked for the loaner hire car back now that they’d agreed settlement.
He told them to bugger off until they’d tracked which bodyshop they’d left his own car at and returned it to him!
They ‘suspected’ it was at a site a hundred miles away, which is odd when the accident happened outside his own house :rolleyes:
And yes, dealer servicing and service plans are becoming another racket.
The 400+ bhp MG4 at £37k will get an awful lot of attention. A couple colleagues of mine have ‘normal’ versions of it and the quality doesn’t look any worse than a VW ID model. I’ll take a close look myself when the order books open this month.
BEV insurance is getting silly - worst for Teslas, with their single piece chassis casting. The slightest damage to the chassis and the car is binned, there is no central cell with replaceable surrounding chassis components, its one big lump.
Might want to take a closer look at that MG4 - they are built quite cheaply - no galvanised body, suspension components very poorly finished, but hidden mainly by poorly fitted aero trays. Value for money, certainly, but you're not buying a VW for Dacia money, you're buying a Dacia for Dacia money. That 7 year warranty is full of exclusions after 3 years too, with pretty much just the motor and battery covered the full 7 years. Not a car built to last 15-20 years. The new hot one sounds mental though. Interior is hideous and seats uncomfortable. Back end looks very weird too.
As easy as BEVs are to drive, they're pretty low on thrills, even if fast in a straight line. As much as the Born is a good car, I prefer my S3 to it by a country mile in every aspect but running costs.
Paid silly money for the "up to 2.0" A3 service pack to go with the S3 too. Bought with the car, it was £540 for first 2 services. I can't imagine walk in prices being much more for 2 oil changes, an air filter change and additional "checks" on the second service to make it a full service. I don't believe it includes brake fluid change on the second service, could be wrong on that score.
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I doubt anyone is under any illusion about the longer term durability of the MG4 bearing in mind the bargain basement pricing, but as a short term business lease/Mobility/PCP it’s hard to ignore.
I’ve had a good look at my colleague’s car and it’s decent enough inside for a sub £30k BEV, it goes very well up to the NSL in sporty mode and actually handles well. Terrifying brakes similar to the ID models remove a bit of the enjoyment of brisk driving but I guess you quickly get used to them.
If I had company car allowance I’d be first in the queue for the Xpower model.
But alas I pay my own way when it comes to transport so I’ll stick with my “legacy marque” petrol hatchback and kid myself about German engineering.
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I doubt anyone is under any illusion about the longer term durability of the MG4 bearing in mind the bargain basement pricing, but as a short term business lease/Mobility/PCP it’s hard to ignore.
I’ve had a good look at my colleague’s car and it’s decent enough inside for a sub £30k BEV, it goes very well up to the NSL in sporty mode and actually handles well. Terrifying brakes similar to the ID models remove a bit of the enjoyment of brisk driving but I guess you quickly get used to them.
If I had company car allowance I’d be first in the queue for the Xpower model.
But alas I pay my own way when it comes to transport so I’ll stick with my “legacy marque” petrol hatchback and kid myself about German engineering.
Interesting article on www.thisismoney.co.uk website about the heavy depreciation of BEV’s. Not good for anyone thinking of leasing or PCP’ing a new BEV and paying with their own ‘hard earned’ as high depreciation will mean low residual values / low GFV’s which will be reflected in high monthly payments.
Maybe good news for anyone thinking of buying a nearly new BEV though……..
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-12160659/Used-electric-cars-nosedived-value-2023.html
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Just had a call from the dealer. My Clubsport that I ordered in May 22 has gone from an unconfirmed build week of 37 to a confirmed week of 34. Hopefully just timed for the new reg.
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Are the prices of used Clubsports on Autotrader really representative of what they are selling for? There is a couple of there, same year, spec and mileage as mine on for £4k more than what I paid. When is this bubble going to burst?
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If it hasn't burst already it will be soon. I'm quite keen to get back into a Golf and I'm struggling to sell my Rs3 without loosing money. Six months ago, nearly new Rs3's with delivery mileage were selling for £6k over list.
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I think some of the prices on auto trader are ridiculous for the Clubsport and it’s not even the special edition. When I think what I paid for my 45 and it’s a fully loaded spec and to what some dealers are asking (strangely not VW dealers) then some people are going to be caught out with a car that will quickly have negative depreciation on what they paid now and probably a high apr as well if they haven’t bought it cash. I applaud those that got their cars on what they paid when ordered a year / two years ago. But it’s very fragile out there and a key indicator to what’s happening is the mortgage state of affairs.
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I got an email from the dealership today that my order has been built and is on route to the Port for shipment to UK. Looks like I'll be leaving the car at the dealership to collect on 1st Sept on a 73 plate... seems daft to not wait a few weeks as it will increase the residual value being the newer reg.
Think I'm gonna have to visit the dealership and have sneaky peek at it in August .....
I ordered mine October 2021 !
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Ordered September 21, just had confirmation its sat at UK port.... oh yes!
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Finally my order has gone from unconfirmed to confirmed with ETA to dealer September.
Ordered October 21
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I got an email from the dealership today that my order has been built and is on route to the Port for shipment to UK. Looks like I'll be leaving the car at the dealership to collect on 1st Sept on a 73 plate... seems daft to not wait a few weeks as it will increase the residual value being the newer reg.
Think I'm gonna have to visit the dealership and have sneaky peek at it in August .....
I ordered mine October 2021 !
Just a word of warning if it’s being bought on a previously supported VW finance package you will need to usually take delivery of it within 7 days of it arriving or the original finance package will not be honoured.
Of course if you are paying cash it shouldn’t matter
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If it hasn't burst already it will be soon. I'm quite keen to get back into a Golf and I'm struggling to sell my Rs3 without loosing money. Six months ago, nearly new Rs3's with delivery mileage were selling for £6k over list.
You're looking to sell the RS3 you just got? Why would you do that? Are they still being sold for £6k over list by the dealers and your "loss" is a reasonable margin for the dealership (15%)?
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Just a word of warning if it’s being bought on a previously supported VW finance package you will need to usually take delivery of it within 7 days of it arriving or the original finance package will not be honoured.
Of course if you are paying cash it shouldn’t matter
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Thanks for the heads up Evo..... the dealership contact actually suggested to wait for the new plate and when I said Yes OK, he just replied to say that he'd book us in for a 1st Sept collection..... wonder if he knows about this condition ..... after such a long wait the last thing I want is to lose out on the original finance agreement.
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Yes I would be very careful it used to be quite a long winded process that once the vehicle was available for delivery they would only re-open the finance campaign and it had to be delivered with 7 days of them opening the campaign. The retailer would need to contact VW finance to re-open the campaign to be able to send you finance documents to complete and VW finance would ask for the vehicle order number to check where it is and how long it’s been on site. If it has been on site more than 7 days they wouldn’t open the campaign I had a few managers make that mistake when I was at VW so try and speak to the business manager at the dealership because the sales person probably won’t have any clue about the behind the scenes process or policies….
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If you lose the old finance campaign I can imagine the current rates will be horrific in comparison….
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FWIW I can’t purchase my car before the end of November, it’s due to be delivered about 3-4 weeks earlier than that, and my dealer has agreed that I can pick it up when needed, and that I’m on the original finance package. Not sure if that’s them doing something abnormal or not, but I have it in writing.
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Fingers crossed for you…. :shocked:
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I have just logged into the VW system and apologies they have changed there policy here it is below in black and white. Just because some idiot who has no experience at a dealer has sent an email means nothing I am afraid.
Any vehicle purchased on finance from VW finance delivered to your site must be handed over within 14 days of arrival to qualify for previous campaigns.
Any vehicles that have been on site for more than 14 days with a valid proposal on a campaign that has now exceeded the payout window must be pre-proposed using a current campaign
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I have just logged into the VW system and apologies they have changed there policy here it is below in black and white. Just because some idiot who has no experience at a dealer has sent an email means nothing I am afraid.
Any vehicle purchased on finance from VW finance delivered to your site must be handed over within 14 days of arrival to qualify for previous campaigns.
Any vehicles that have been on site for more than 14 days with a valid proposal on a campaign that has now exceeded the payout window must be pre-proposed using a current campaign
Nice work Evo.... looks like I might be taking delivery sooner rather than later then !
I've a neighbour that works for VW and have asked him the same question but not had a reply from him yet.
I'm passing the dealership tomorrow, so I'll be popping in and asking them face to face.
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It is all clearly stated on the VWFS Hub, unfortunately unless they’ve been in the situation before and had a customer totally screwed over because of it they might not be aware of the policy.
However given how the cost of borrowing has increased VW finance will do everything in their power to not honour the original finance package.
When the business manager phones VW finance to get the campaign re-opened to send you your docs they ask for the VW order number to check when it arrived….
So glad I keep an eye on things on here :wink:
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It is all clearly stated on the VWFS Hub, unfortunately unless they’ve been in the situation before and had a customer totally screwed over because of it they might not be aware of the policy.
However given how the cost of borrowing has increased VW finance will do everything in their power to not honour the original finance package.
When the business manager phones VW finance to get the campaign re-opened to send you your docs they ask for the VW order number to check when it arrived….
So glad I keep an eye on things on here :wink:
I went to the dealership today and asked this question and was assured that although indeed the interest rates had as good as doubled since the order was accepted they would indeed honour the agreement.
I went on to say that I understood they might be willing to accept it but what about VW Finance ?
And the salesman suggested that they had honoured other sales, as if they hadn't then they'd have stacks of cars unsold because buyers would simply walk away from the deal unable to afford the newly presented offer.
As a matter of course, I've put the context of the conversation and agreement in writing to them.
I'm still wondering if I should double check with VW Finance directly ... might just well call them tomorrow to get my current settlement figure and ask the question !
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Just thinking..... 7 days is a bit of a short lead time.... there must be examples where people go on holiday for 14 nights or longer and based on this 7 day rule they'd all be exposed to issue on that basis !?!
So there must be some exceptions ....
I'd agree that there must be some sort of time limit... to also ensure that customers don't order a car and just leave it for a couple of months sat idle at the dealers..... I'd think 21 days would be more realistic.
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Sales people :laugh:
Give me a call tomorrow
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Sales people :laugh:
Give me a call tomorrow
No reply yet !!!
What happens to the difference in the settlement figure from the original settlement figure when the offer was presented to us in 2021... compared to the current PCP settlement figure which is almost £8K less.
Do I get that £8K back ?
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Sales people :laugh:
Give me a call tomorrow
No reply yet !!!
What happens to the difference in the settlement figure from the original settlement figure when the offer was presented to us in 2021... compared to the current PCP settlement figure which is almost £8K less.
Do I get that £8K back ?
If they won't give you market value in p/x down the line, just sell through motorway.co.uk.
I suspect GFV will remain the same, you can't have your cake and eat it. The overall monthlies across VAG have hardly changed on PCP, because higher APR% has been countered with higher GFV on the most recent VWFS agreements.
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Sounds like another trip down to the retailer for them to re-appraise the vehicle.
They won’t be able to re-calculate the finance package until the old campaign has been re-opened which was never a quick thing…
Has the car arrived in stock yet?
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By the way supply and lead times are hugely improving accross the industry so used car bubble is going to be popping soon…..
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Sounds like another trip down to the retailer for them to re-appraise the vehicle.
They won’t be able to re-calculate the finance package until the old campaign has been re-opened which was never a quick thing…
Has the car arrived in stock yet?
The car is apparently at the Port in Germany and awaiting shipment to the UK.
It should arrive within the next 2 weeks to the dealership.... so on that basis it'll sit idle at the dealers for maybe 3 weeks prior to the handover on 1st Sept.
I think if they F me about, I'll walk away, get my deposit back, sell the current GTi to grab the residual value and NEVER go back to VW for a new car ever again.
I've had GTi's and R's and R32's since 2006 ..... via the same dealership so my brand loyalty has been 1st class..... I've had a number of other brand cars as well during this time (mainly performance models) and I've currently also got an ID5 on the drive for the Mrs but this 2 year wait for the Clubby has been painful.
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There is a bit of a delay on VW vehicles leaving UK port so if it’s still in Germany I wouldn’t expect it to actually arrive with the dealer for possibly another month.
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Sent you a PM @Evo1986
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Call me on my number below 👍🏻
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Had a confirmed build week for 7th August, now had an email to say it’s gone back to unconfirmed.
Ordered Oct 21, getting impatient now! :angry:
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Frustrating! Iv'e had Status UK port now for 4 weeks!
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Yeah it’s the same issue with lots of dealers, because post Covid and huge reduction in new car deliveries a lot of dealers gave up valuable storage space for vehicles. Now the volume is picking up they don’t have the storage for cars so they are stay at port until dealers make space…
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Mine has arrived and is at the dealers. I went and saw it last week. Its all wrapped up in a white protection sheet but I was able to sit in it, start it up and give the noise pedal a little press to listen to the pops when in sport mode.
Collection set for the morning of 1st Sept.... , have booked the day off to put some milage on it.
I should have taken some more pictures but this was all I got.
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OMG! Look at that rust on the hub bolt and disc. It's been sitting somewhere a good while. I would ask them to clean that all up and put some anti corrosive wax on the bolts before the caps go on.
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When I went to look at the car I had previously asked that their team did not wash the car in their 'dedicated free car cleaning bay'..... but as I walked round the vehicle the passenger door was literally covered in bird sh1t; like a seagull had eaten a curry and then shat it out whilst perched on the roof of the car......
I mean, any car enthusiast seeing that on their car would instantly run to grab the hose to remove it, but at these dealerships they're not concerned in the slightest.
I do wonder if I popped back if the sh1t would still be there, as I don't collect the car until next Friday.
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Loving the colour Jonny!
The Royal Navy is expanding its fast attack craft fleet it seems :cool:
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Mine has arrived and is at the dealers. I went and saw it last week. Its all wrapped up in a white protection sheet but I was able to sit in it, start it up and give the noise pedal a little press to listen to the pops when in sport mode.
Collection set for the morning of 1st Sept.... , have booked the day off to put some milage on it.
I should have taken some more pictures but this was all I got.
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Nice, when did you order? How long did it take from going into build to arriving at the dealers?
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Order was placed October 2021.....
After the build week being put back multiple times, I finally received confirmation mid June that the order had gone to Status 20 with the build week confirmed as from 3rd July onwards....
I then got an update to confirm, YES, the car built on 13th July and it'll be planned for shipping to the UK for August.
True to their word, it landed on UK ground on 3rd Aug and was then transported to the dealership, arriving there on 10th August. (guessing it arrived into Sheerness, Kent and was transported to Romford, Essex dealership and the sales rep has been great keeping me updated)
I could have taken the car within August, but it makes sense to wait for the 1st Sept and have the 73 plate, next Friday can't come quick enough after such a long wait.
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If you are using VWFS.... check with the dealer that your quote will be honoured... because they have been saying that unless you collect in XX days, it needs requote.... to the current (much higher!) APR
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Thats what i dont understand. Ordered mine september 21, arrived at UK port on or before 18th July and im still waiting? Makes no sense at all.
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I've been in to see them and also sat and reviewed the agreement with the Finance Manager. I asked them this question about honouring the agreement if I wait to collect the car on the 1st Sept and he said thats the least they can do under the circumstances having waited 2 years !
The cash back I'm gonna get will pay for the upgrades I want to do - so I'm happy.
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Confirmed, its at the dealership. Pick it up Tuesday!! :laugh:
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Confirmed, its at the dealership. Pick it up Tuesday!! :laugh:
Brilliant news, how long have you waited?
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2 years in total. Mental....
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Collected mine this morning.... had about 5 miles on the clock and I've had a nice poodle about today and its now got about 110 !
Its a fabulous upgrade to the 7.5, which I thought was awesome.... super comfy, amazingly fast gear changes, sounds nice and feels good in the cockpit.
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:cool:
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Awesome!
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Awesome.
Same colour and wheels I have ordered and hoping for next month.
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In the dark, was quite pleased to see the light displayed on the floor projected from the wing mirrors:
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Jonny, i have specced the same wheels, what tyres did yours come with?
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@adam looks like Bridgestones to me.
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Looks great Jonny. Congrats.
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My car, my which wasn’t supposed to be built until next month, has arrived in the country, and will be at my dealer by the end of the week. I have confirmed again with the dealer they will honour the RRP as we agreed it last year, since I cannot buy it until November. They will also honour the current 7.9% apr since it’s slightly lower than the rate I’d agreed with them last December. I’m going on on Monday to finalise the paperwork and get it all ready for November to roll around. If the current deal makes my monthly’s or baloon payment worse, they will honour the original deal.
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@Jonny2021 congrats on the car, looks great. The pattern put out by the puddle lights do look cool.
@Adammd209, hope your car collection on Tuesday goes well! :cool:
Received a surprise email confirmation yesterday from the dealer that my car has gone into production. Four weeks ago my order was still a status 10, with an unconfirmed build week of 37.
So about 18 months from order and the car's being built. At last. :wink:
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You guys must have the patience of Saints - I was going apoplectic when I had to wait 6 months.
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@Bluto yours won't be too much longer then. Im sure the wait is worth it. I've had Pure White & Black estorils with DCC. I will be picking the car up with all the wraps and lables on, so it wont be a nice shiny new handover for me. I like to detail cars myself, so i'll post before and after photos.
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Yeah, came with Bridgestone: 235/35/R19's
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Looks fab in that colour/spec Jonny :cool:
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Went to see the car today... and they have put the wrong estorils on.... they have put the diamond cut ones, not the black ones on.. gutted. Pick it up tomorrow and they said they will sort it.
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Went to see the car today... and they have put the wrong estorils on.... they have put the diamond cut ones, not the black ones on.. gutted. Pick it up tomorrow and they said they will sort it.
You'll love it Adam. I've had the standard mk7.5 gti and the R and this mk8 knocks spots off them - its a completely different animal, more refined, super smooth gear changes and in Sport at just over 2k rpm in lower gears and 3.5k rpm in the higher gears you get the little pops and bangs.
Enjoy the car on the loaned wheels, maybe take some advantage of that once Launch Mode is active and then you'll have your replacement wheels and tyres fitted to not abuse as much.... lol
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@Adam have you seen the R badging on the Estorils? Mine arrived at the dealer this morning and I noticed them when I went for a look.
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@Adam have you seen the R badging on the Estorils? Mine arrived at the dealer this morning and I noticed them when I went for a look.
and when the light catches them just right it looks like you have curbed your wheel. I do this at least once a week :grin:
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@WelshGolf glad it’s not just me. Mine has black ones and I thought there was a chip taken out of them. No idea why they put the r logo on them.
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Had update to say car now at UK port with ETA to dealer 2 weeks. Shouldn’t be long now :grin:
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Collected it on the 5th. Detailed it myself yesterday, theres a few very minor imperfections so some small improvements to be made. Lovely car! Its probably everything i'd hoped for over my GTI Performance and more.
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Looks fantastic in white :cool:
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Very nice
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Perfect wheel choice too 😎
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I must say, the infotainment system is really quick. No lagging, no glitches. I have also not managed to accidently press the steering wheel heating yet!
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I must say, the infotainment system is really quick. No lagging, no glitches. I have also not managed to accidently press the steering wheel heating yet!
Same, 12 months in, no problems with infotainment and never accidentally pressed a steering wheel button
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Stunning car worth the wait and the wheels defo finish it off. I just cannot understand why VW would think that leaving R badging on those alloys is acceptable when ordering a customer is ordering a GTI Clubsport. Surely there must be Estorils made that are not emblazoned with the R logo. You bought that car because of its uniqueness away from an R. It’s like the R having a steering wheel with GTi embossed on it. Sorry it’s my opinion and I hope I am not offending your special purchase because it’s is a very nice car.
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@MaggotsRus im not offended at all. It is quite strange, not sure of the reason why apart from a cost saving? Yes i brought the car precisely because its not an R, and i love that.
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At long last after nearly 2 years waiting I finally have a delivery date for next week :grin:
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Good to see more cars coming through. I'll be curious to see how many they built in the last couple of quarters of this year. Current figures show registrations up until end of the first quarter of 2023, still only 889 on the road!
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/volkswagen_golf_clubsport_gti_tsi_s-a
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Anyone know if the Ghost immobiliser voids the VW warranty?
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Anyone know if the Ghost immobiliser voids the VW warranty?
IMHO, installation of a Ghost immobiliser shouldn’t invalidate the whole warranty. However, if a factory fitted part of component failed within the warranty period and the cause of the failure is considered by VW / the dealer to be the Ghost immobiliser or the way it’s been installed, then it’s likely the warranty won’t cover the cost of repairing or replacing the failed part.
Therefore something such as a failed suspension component or wheel bearing should be covered, but the car’s battery ‘dying’ prematurely due to parasitic drain attributed by VW to have been caused by the Ghost immobiliser is unlikely to be covered.
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Anyone know if the Ghost immobiliser voids the VW warranty?
Also be VERY careful who fits the ghost for you as anyone and everyone fits these now and only as good as the fitting but you won't realise that till its too late!
A lot of people just fit them near the obd port and from there they can be easily bypassed by someone in the know.
My money would be going Pandora storm instead so if they are found and removed car will still not start even then ,where as with a ghost it will.
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Saw these today in the showroom thought the Aniversary R looked a bit odd and tacky tbh
The other looked great withe Adelaides on which was unusual on an R wasn't aware you could have them. Car was being collected this week after 2 year wait 45k the R
54k the 20 I think he said.
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Saw these today in the showroom thought the Aniversary R looked a bit odd and tacky tbh
The other looked great withe Adelaides on which was unusual on an R wasn't aware you could have them. Car was being collected this week after 2 year wait 45k the R
54k the 20 I think he said.
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I don’t think the Adelaides have ever been a factory option on the mk8 R. On that specific car in your pictures, the Adelaides may have been fitted by the dealer at the customer’s request. I’m sure the dealer wouldn’t have a problem selling the original set of factory fit R alloys, or they might have fitted them to another car.
I think the R20’s blue accents (alloys and mirror caps) are a bit Marmite; some prospective buyers will like them as they’re what differentiates the R20 from the standard R.
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The Adelaides have been available to order on the R since 2021 and I’ve physically seen a couple examples with them fitted (71 plate blue hatch and a 22 plate blue estate). They’re fractionally cheaper than the Estoril options.
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Finally she’s arrived!
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@Perky excellent stuff! Bet your well chuffed..
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The Adelaides have been available to order on the R since 2021 and I’ve physically seen a couple examples with them fitted (71 plate blue hatch and a 22 plate blue estate). They’re fractionally cheaper than the Estoril options.
Thanks @Exonan; just goes to show that every day’s a school day……. :smiley:
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Finally she’s arrived!
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Excellent, time to enjoy.
Mine arrives at the dealer tomorrow, collect next week, 16 months from order.
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Congrats Perky, lovely looking Clubby :cool: they do look great with Adelaides.
@SRGTD, indeed you’re right, there certainly aren’t many days I don’t learn something on here myself :smiley:
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Any idea how to set myself up as main user and remove this icon? I’ve tried to connect to Weconnect but it says car not available for online services? Any ideas please!
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@Perky, did they set you up as the main user at the dealership?
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Perky I had mine set up the dealer and then you should get the new VW app sorted, not the WeConnect app as is it has changed
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I’ve managed to sort it but using Weconnect, is this now outdated then?
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Im using WeConnect
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Im using WeConnect
Been replaced by my volkswagon app now.
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The new VW app is a waist of time at the moment, doesn't have half the functionality of the We Connect.
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Ah yes, it asked my to download the new one yesterday. Something to note, friday I was travelling to Whitby and my entire infotainment went blank. I couldnt use anything and it started to turn all the safety fearures off. I pulled into the services and tried turning the engine off and back on again, but no joy. So i decided to carry on. I got very frustrated with it, but when i was just about to go over the moors, I held the power button for 10 seconds or so, just to try something and it restarted. now its been fine ever since. I think i will take it into the dealership to let them have a look. Very frustrating when you cant even adjust the heating.
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Ah yes, it asked my to download the new one yesterday. Something to note, friday I was travelling to Whitby and my entire infotainment went blank. I couldnt use anything and it started to turn all the safety fearures off. I pulled into the services and tried turning the engine off and back on again, but no joy. So i decided to carry on. I got very frustrated with it, but when i was just about to go over the moors, I held the power button for 10 seconds or so, just to try something and it restarted. now its been fine ever since. I think i will take it into the dealership to let them have a look. Very frustrating when you cant even adjust the heating.
Whats this software update or the app?
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This is for the App
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I’ve just had an email from VW informing me the WeConnect app will be deactivated on 8/11/23.
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Just got the same and have downloaded the 'new' app although it does almost exactly the same as the We Connect one - one bonus I can see is that on the map I can now see all of the local petrol stations with the most up to date petrol prices broken down into each grade! - not had that before but especially handy for v-power as the older pumps only show the price when you pick up the pump.
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Just got the same and have downloaded the 'new' app although it does almost exactly the same as the We Connect one - one bonus I can see is that on the map I can now see all of the local petrol stations with the most up to date petrol prices broken down into each grade! - not had that before but especially handy for v-power as the older pumps only show the price when you pick up the pump.
Could you see the locked / unlocked and windows closed / open function?
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Yes you can still see the locked/unlocked status and open and close from the app. The petrol prices on the map looks very good. I've used the petrol prices app previously and having what appear to be recently updated prices in the VW app makes the PP app superfluous.
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Yes you can still see the locked/unlocked status and open and close from the app. The petrol prices on the map looks very good. I've used the petrol prices app previously and having what appear to be recently updated prices in the VW app makes the PP app superfluous.
For the life of me, I couldn’t find - can you kindly tell me how you got it?
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It's on the first page when you've logged in to the new VW app. Are you sure you've got the right app? It looks like this:
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Don't forget you will only get many of these functions for as long as you are subscribed to them - most new owners get first three years free then unfortunately you have to cough up around £160 'ish to get the two parts active.
Once mine ran out I just couldn't justify buying both parts even though I really liked the functions.
You will still get many basic things without paying - health check, petrol prices (new), service info, car location, vin number but that's about it.
Enjoy while you have it.
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That could well be the issue. Do you seriously have to pay extra to get the ability to lock and unlock your car after 3 years? The World has gone mad!
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On my VW app it want me to verify my ID first to get the unlock function etc.
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Well you certainly lose the driving data info and the sound horn function or to send POI to your cars map.
I think one is called Comfort and the other Security you pay for each separately.
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Congratulations VW, probably the most clunky GUI’s ever. I think I will decline the kind offer to renew my subscription.
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The new Volkswagen app is missing the ‘Vehicle Information’ box that we had with WeConnect, it was a nice easy to glance view with green ticks that showed you if the doors and boot was closed and if the windows were closed and also if the lights were off.
Also the auxiliary ventilation is missing, and this feature sounds good on paper, but as I’ve not had my car long enough to experience hot weather I’m not sure how well it works. . But nevertheless it is a function that we have today, but at the moment will lose in November.
I also prefer the WeConnect view of driving data, it is shown natively within the App, but with the new App it just becomes a web wrapper to log you into the VW website, and doesn’t really suit a phone screen.
Reading the reviews on the iOS App Store, quite a few comments on this being a step backwards from the current app, and I have to agree. I did email VW, but just got the standard response back that they will work on bringing some of these features to the new app, but no guarantees.
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It's on the first page when you've logged in to the new VW app. Are you sure you've got the right app? It looks like this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/8Cdd1vsR/Screenshot-20231005-213957-Volkswagen.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kV4RsBQG)
I have this but cam not see locked or unlocked at the top just greyed out?
Could see it on we connect thou
Do you have to do something to be able to see locked or unlocked?
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I have this but cam not see locked or unlocked at the top just greyed out?
Could see it on we connect thou
Do you have to do something to be able to see locked or unlocked?
It says “Vehicle Locked” under the fuel display. That is the only indication on the new app.
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I have this but cam not see locked or unlocked at the top just greyed out?
Could see it on we connect thou
Do you have to do something to be able to see locked or unlocked?
It says “Vehicle Locked” under the fuel display. That is the only indication on the new app.
Not on mine it doesn't 🤣
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I have this but cam not see locked or unlocked at the top just greyed out?
Could see it on we connect thou
Do you have to do something to be able to see locked or unlocked?
It says “Vehicle Locked” under the fuel display. That is the only indication on the new app.
Not on mine it doesn't 🤣
I would try logging out and then logging back in. If that doesn’t work then I have run out of suggestions.
I was going to say try a dealership, but we all know what they are like with IT related stuff 🙄
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To access the lock/unlock you need to prove your ID, via the app another app and and video call, then show your photo ID
I don't want to be ble to lock it or unlock it from phone I just want to see if it is locked or unlocked like you could and still can see on we connect
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I posted this on another thread. Mine’s a Mk7.5 but I’m guessing the App is the same.
https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=289773.msg2662448#msg2662448
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Had a bit more good news this week. Approximately 5 weeks after being told my car's gone into production (previously had no confirmed build week assigned). On Tuesday this week the dealer advised that my car has been built and has left the factory. :grin:
No delivery date yet, but apparently it could appear at the end of October, but the dealer thinks it'll more likely be November.
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Had a bit more good news this week. Approximately 5 weeks after being told my car's gone into production (previously had no confirmed build week assigned). On Tuesday this week the dealer advised that my car has been built and has left the factory. :grin:
No delivery date yet, but apparently it could appear at the end of October, but the dealer thinks it'll more likely be November.
Mine took about 2 weeks
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Thanks for the info Perky.
Dealer has confirmed my car is now at a UK port. So not long now, to get to this point has taken 19 months from placing my order.
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Morning mate. My Golf R 20 Years has been at UK port for 4 weeks, arrived there 27 Sept. Not sure what the delay is. Hopefully your doesn’t have to sit there for that long.🤞🏻
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Morning mate. My Golf R 20 Years has been at UK port for 4 weeks, arrived there 27 Sept. Not sure what the delay is. Hopefully your doesn’t have to sit there for that long.🤞🏻
There was also an issue a few months ago with a backlog of cars waiting to be shipped from Emden; too few ocean going vessels available for the number of cars waiting to be shipped, resulting in cars waiting at port significantly longer than normal. The situation may have improved now but shipping delays might still be a problem, especially if VW have ramped up production - building more cars than normal to clear the significant backlog or orders that had built up due to factors such as Covid, semiconductor shortages and other parts shortages caused by the war in Ukraine.
If your car’s reached the UK, then it’s cleared any potential backlog at Emden, but potential shipping delays could be a factor for other forum members who might be experiencing delays after their cars have been built - see article at the link below;
https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/dealers-complain-new-vw-audi-and-porsche-cars-stuck-in-huge-german-port-backlog/282757
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Thanks for your reply mate, much appreciated. My car arrived at Emden on 4 Sept and arrived in the UK port on 27 Sept so it makes sense what you say. There must also be a build up of cars in the UK which is causing delays to delivery to dealers, maybe haulage companies are struggling and I am guessing the weather over the last week or so hasn’t helped either.
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The timeline certainly suggests transport problems. In August I took delivery of a new Audi and within 10 days of it being loaded on to the ferry to the UK, it was with the dealer, prepared, registered and ready for me.
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Thanks for your reply and sounds like you had a normal delivery period, like I have experienced with previous performance Golfs. I received an email this morning from the supplier saying no status update and car still at the docs. Delivery expected in Nov, date TBC. Frustrating but one of those things and at least I know the car is on the correct side of the water, hopefully not much longer to wait. 🤞🏻 Cheers.
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Looks like the information I received from my dealer earlier was incorrect. The saleperson has emailed me today to advise their colleague was incorrect and my car is not at a UK port, but at one in Germany. Presume it's Emden. Apparently my car is still showing a Status 38, which I think means it's cleared customs and can be exported. Just waiting for the ship.
So @SRGTD you may indeed be right that the car's caught up with whatever delays are going on there. After 19 months what another two! :whistle: :grin:
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It’s that time folks, despite my car having been at the dealership for nearly 2 months at this point, I’m due to collect it on Monday, finance will be honoured as the reason for the delay was VWFS taking forever to put the sale through (VAT free sales are a b!tch it would seem), my part ex went to them on Thursday, after the agreement have been proposed and accepted, but then VWFS still hadn’t paid the dealership so they could release my car by the end of the day. Yesterday they said the payment would go through on Monday, and I can take the car to the detailer then. As an apology the dealership are letting me keep my courtesy car which the gave me after it became clear I wasn’t getting my CS on Thursday until the PPF and coating is done. Pics will have to wait until then, but the dealer have been fantastic throughout. Really clear communication and pushing things through as fast as they could from their end, making sure I was still mobile and looked after. Can’t recommend them enough.
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Picked up my car from the detailers yesterday, and I love it. I’ve put pics in the MK8 section of the forum for anyone who wants to see it.
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Ordered CS on 8th February 2023
I hope it will be here (I'm from Croatia) by the spring 2024.
Is anyone else expecting theirs GTIs/CSs?
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Received a call from the dealership today. After 20 months since ordering my car, it has finally arrived in the UK. Collection hopefully in the next couple of weeks.
A smidgeon of excitement has returned after putting the whole thing to the back of my mind due to the length of wait! Though it will be off to have some PPF applied so I won't get to drive it straight away, but after 85 weeks I think I can endure an extra one.
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That’s great news @Bluto. What PPF are you having done? Any other work?
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That’s great news @Bluto. What PPF are you having done? Any other work?
@The_Doc I've decided on having PPF applied to the whole car, initially was just thinking front wings, bonnet, bumper and sills. But if I keep this one as long as I have my Mk6 (and seeing where that's picked up dinks and dings in its 200k+ mile life) I decided that doing the whole car was right for me. Plus I'm getting them to PPF the gloss piano black centre console. As I fear just looking at it wrong will scratch it! :grin:
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I went for full front end + sills, b pillars and boot lip. Tempted to get the inside done, but I think I’m going to wrap it instead of PPFing it since I hate shiny plastic where the sun can blind you with it. Was tempted to get the whole car done, but would have run me about a grand more than having what I did PPFd and the rest ceramiced. Where are you based?
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I went for full front end + sills, b pillars and boot lip. Tempted to get the inside done, but I think I’m going to wrap it instead of PPFing it since I hate shiny plastic where the sun can blind you with it. Was tempted to get the whole car done, but would have run me about a grand more than having what I did PPFd and the rest ceramiced. Where are you based?
Yes having the whole car done has been, how shall I put it, an 'investment'! :rolleyes: But I'm happy I'm doing it. I'll see how the PPF works on the gloss piano black centre console. Seeing as the console is gloss plastic, adding PPF to it I doubt will make it any worse for reflecting the Sun. I'm based in the midlands @The_Doc.
So my car has arrived now at the dealer's and is undergoing its PDI checks. It's been confirmed it's missing one of the options I'd selected at the point of order which was the digital key. Dealer thinks it can't be retrofitted as it is a factory only option, but is investigating.
Anyone know if the digital key is/was compatible with Apple iPhones, or is it just Android smartphones? As an iPhone user it may have been a wasted option tick. As I don't think I ever got a definite answer from various dealers or VW if it was definitely compatible with iPhones. It was all rather vague sales speak fluff. Plus I know the digital key option disappeared from the VW online configurator a while ago. Which I put down to the chip shortage, but as I can't see it mentioned on VW's Technology pages, maybe it's just died a quiet death... :grin:
Would've been nice if VW had informed me during my 20 month wait that the digital key option was no longer available. Not like they didn't have time to email me. :grin:
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@Bluto - Getting the whole car done is definitely a good idea if you plan on keeping it a while. I’m not sure if this will be a forever car, that will depend on if I can get an order on whatever special edition they release for the 8.5 and what that special model is. If I was sure, it have opted for full coverage. If your detailer has access to Gyeon PPF templates, they’re perfect for our cars, the seams are so will hidden even mid panel on my skirts and boot lip are almost invisible.
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@The_Doc Well unless some special edition anniversary Mk8.5 GTI tempts me, I'm potentially going to keep this Clubsport as long as my Mk6. Which has been 10 years, hence the investment to get the whole car done with PPF. Going with a local XPEL authorised installer, had a look round a couple of installers' business units to ensure I was happy where their customers' cars were wrapped and saw some work in progress on a couple of Bentleys. So gave me some confidence they know what they're doing.
However confidence in the new car was shaken a little today; and I've not even got it. Dealer called to say the car has gone through its PDI checks and they've found that the vehicle's indicators don't work! :shocked:
Hope I've not got myself a Friday afternoon lemon in waiting. Apparently parts have been ordered and fingers crossed they fix the issue by collection next week.
Funny enough I don't recall ticking the "Volkswagen 1950s retro-hand signal pack" on the options list. Still struggling to work out how the heck it could've left the factory with non-working indicators. :shocked: Haven't even collected it and its already needing new parts. Is this a sign of things to come, I hope not.
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Update:
Went to the dealership yesterday to see the vehicle before supposed collection next week. The part for hopefully fixing the non-functioning indicators has still not arrived.
Plus on being shown the vehicle, which I was really looking forward to, immediately clocked another issue with it. The factory have fitted the wrong alloy wheels. Where I was expecting to see painted black Estorils, in their place are the diamond cut versions. Not happy as I vowed never to have diamond cut wheels again; the dealership is raising the wheel issue with Volkswagen. So digital key missing, missing indicators :grin: and wrong wheels, not the first new car experience I was expecting. :whistle:
Dealership's parts team had a quick check and allegedly only two Black 19" Estoril alloy wheels in the country and for more, they are on back order. Apparent part cost is around £960 for each wheel, excluding VAT I presume. Though the cost is not my problem, that's one for VW and the dealership to sort between themselves. So looks like the Mk6 is going to have to keep going for a while longer yet.
Oh and I did start her up and got a bong and error message saying Front Travel Assist has limited functionility. Though I'm told that this is due to the car still being in transportation mode where a lot of the front sensors are disabled. We shall see...
Plus I popped the bonnet as I was curious to see if it would be fitted with the new version of engine cover. Nope, no engine cover at all.
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Classic salesman/dealer admin team cocked up didn’t check the order was placed correctly….
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Classic salesman/dealer admin team cocked up didn’t check the order was placed correctly….
Indeed @evo1986, someone's committed a faux pas somewhere along the line. My original order form shows '19" Estoril black alloy wheel with anti theft bolts'. At my visit yesterday, the dealership produced their order form document that was allegedy sent to VW which had (paraphasing here) ... '19" Estoril - bla'. So that may indicate the factory's at fault.
So either a misread, wrong bar code on wheels at the production line or warehouse, an admin error. Who knows. All I know is it's frustrating as hell. :rolleyes:
Just pleased I went and saw the car before collection day, so this was identified now. But disappointed that I was the one that clocked this error and it wasn't picked up by the dealership.
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@Bluto; that’s really disappointing and fingers crossed it’s not a bad omen of a sign of things to come.
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Update:
Plus on being shown the vehicle, which I was really looking forward to, immediately clocked another issue with it. The factory have fitted the wrong alloy wheels. Where I was expecting to see painted black Estorils, in their place are the diamond cut versions. Not happy as I vowed never to have diamond cut wheels again; the dealership is raising the wheel issue with Volkswagen. So digital key missing, missing indicators :grin: and wrong wheels, not the first new car experience I was expecting. :whistle:
Pretty much the same happened to me. Unfortunately I didn't find out until collection day (2 months ago). With me they would not even entertain swapping the wheel to what I had ordered, there excuse was because it is on VW system as that. I ended up having £400 off them to cover plastic coating refurb if I decide to get them done.
They did phone me up about the digital key a week before collection and said it was not on the car but no longer on the system so refunded me the money.
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My original order form shows '19" Estoril black alloy wheel with anti theft bolts'. At my visit yesterday, the dealership produced their order form document that was allegedy sent to VW which had (paraphasing here) ... '19" Estoril - bla'. So that may indicate the factory's at fault.
So either a misread, wrong bar code on wheels at the production line or warehouse, an admin error. Who knows. All I know is it's frustrating as hell. :rolleyes:
The trouble with the VW ordering system is that all the alloy wheel options are called ‘black’ with the addition of “diamond turned” on the polished versions.
So the black Estorils are just “Estoril Black” but the polished versions have the “diamond turned” added after as a suffix. Even the Adelaides are “Adelaide black diamond turned”
And the polished Estorils look like this on the system:
(https://i.postimg.cc/KYFPYpQj/IMG-0252.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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My original order form shows '19" Estoril black alloy wheel with anti theft bolts'. At my visit yesterday, the dealership produced their order form document that was allegedy sent to VW which had (paraphasing here) ... '19" Estoril - bla'. So that may indicate the factory's at fault.
So either a misread, wrong bar code on wheels at the production line or warehouse, an admin error. Who knows. All I know is it's frustrating as hell. :rolleyes:
The trouble with the VW ordering system is that all the alloy wheel options are called ‘black’ with the addition of “diamond turned” on the polished versions.
So the black Estorils are just “Estoril Black” but the polished versions have the “diamond turned” added after as a suffix. Even the Adelaides are “Adelaide black diamond turned”
And the polished Estorils look like this on the system:
(https://i.postimg.cc/KYFPYpQj/IMG-0252.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Thanks Exonian, interesting to know :cool:. So basically that "PI8" in your screen grab refers to polished? I shall raise this point with the dealer tomorrow and ask if the order form sent through to VW by them had any reference to diamond turned on it.
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It certainly looks like the PI8 code is what you need to ask to see from their original order screen. They (the dealership) must have a record
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@Bluto If they leave you with the diamond cut ones and some money off, let me know. I’m taking my black Estorils off this week to replace with some RFO19s.
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There is no sending an order form to the factory….
A member of staff at the dealership or sometimes at head office orders the car on VW’s SLI factory order Configurator. Once ordered the order/SLI number and configuration sheet are usually passed to the sales person to sign off….
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Thanks for your assistance and comments @evo1986, @Exonian and @The_Doc.
After some conversations and investigations by the dealership. It confirmed that the incorrect wheels had indeed been specified by themselves at the time of order. The P18 coded (diamond cut ones) Estorials had been ordered instead of the black painted version I specified.
Whilst I can appreciate that VW ordering system's decription field wasn't descriptive enough in this case, human error played its part as it's the same Estoril design but with a different finish. It is frustrating that it happened to be my order that will potentially improve quality control procedures at the dealership and has delayed my car collection date.
Anyway after various 'meetings' the correct wheels have now been fitted, though I yet to see it with its proper shoes on. So thanks for the offer The_Doc, but the situation should hopefully be resolved now. :wink:
The car's indicator issue was due to its associated control unit bringing up a fault. That control unit has been replaced with a brand new one. So now I won't need to use hand signals when turning left or right. Should take delivery shortly.
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@Bluto: Much better that way, since you maintain the warranty on them. Wouldnt get that with used ones :)
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Good news Bluto. :smiley:
These things happen, your dealer turned it around which is nice to see. An honest mistake but these cars are far from cheap so it’s good to see it resolved.
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So after nearly 21 months of waiting, this morning I finally took delivery of my Clubsport :cool:, now with the correct wheels on! :whistle:
(https://i.postimg.cc/3JznPGtw/IMG-6837.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qzXsKNVf)
(https://i.postimg.cc/N0cb0cqq/IMG-6835.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJxjyG8N)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Qt6qSKBh/IMG-6836.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5YCv20qR)
My Veedub Kung Fu will have to remain strong for a little while longer though. As immediately it was put on a trailer and sent off to have its PPF applied.
(https://i.postimg.cc/NFSkvh7n/IMG-6839.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FkbL0B6b)
I'll post a couple of photos once it's got its car sized screen protector on. The waiting adventure is nearly over...
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A happy outcome and the car looks fab Bluto :cool:
The mk6 can have a rest soon!
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I got a call yesterday from dealer. My CS is expected to be here on week 10 2024
I hope that its true. :D
Ordered on 8th Feb 2023, Croatia
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Yours could be one of the last built mislav :smiley:
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Probably 😁
But can you believe that we can still configure and order GTI/R/CS in this moment? Germany too, its crazy..
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It is still possible to configure a Golf GTI/R in the UK too yet order books closed 8 months ago!
One thing that might affect production slots more are whether a car is RHD or LHD possibly(?)
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Probably it depends on LHD and RHD type of Golf.
Mine friend ordered his CS in July 2023, that is last order that I know.
Interesting thing is that he has same delivery date (week 10 2024).
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Can i ask what was the difference with the newer build Clubby's ? Been away from Golf for a few years due to a nightmare MK8 R ...
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Can i ask what was the difference with the newer build Clubby's ? Been away from Golf for a few years due to a nightmare MK8 R ...
Pretty sure this is the MK 8.5 GTI Clubsport, with new bolted on media unit and you would hope now stable O/S though that will only be confirmed when they out in the wild. Also a reversion back to button steering controls, which given amount of swaps of steering wheels, the haptic and their communication were obviously another causation to the various erroneous warnings.
They probably did not have enough time to 'fix' the haptic issue for a facelift, but personally expect them back in future models.
It also has AI so will not need you :grin:
https://youtu.be/f1NOKptf2Xw?feature=shared (https://youtu.be/f1NOKptf2Xw?feature=shared)
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Thanks for the reply mate, I was aware of the Mk8.5 update, What i was more on about was the Mk8 earlier builds compared with the later builds, I'm wondering was there revisions, im sure i saw some with Gti on seats , some without, things like that?
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Shiny centre console instead of matt is all I can think of to accompany the already mentioned logo on seats.
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Shiny centre console instead of matt is all I can think of to accompany the already mentioned logo on seats.
Ok thanks for the quick reply :smiley:
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(https://i.postimg.cc/qqTJX8bZ/Mk6-MK8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VrKPzbcj)
Having not contributed to this thread since my collecting my new Clubsport from the detailers in January this year. Thought I'd give an update after 3,000 miles of driving the Mk8, as I think I'm now in more of a position to give my thoughts on my Mk8. Nearly feels like my car.
I bought my Mk6 11 years ago, and have driven 192,000 miles in it, to where it currently sits at 217,000 miles. So I think I know my Mk6 pretty well.
Going from a 2010 model year Golf to a 2024 model year Golf has been a pretty huge jump in terms of car technology. Lane assist, side assist, travel assist, breakfast assist, life assist, pretty much lots of assistance.
This is my first automatic car after driving manuals since I passed my test in the late 90s. So the phantom clutch foot, and left arm preping to change down for junctions etc. is still happening, but far less frequently. :smiley:
Stuff I'm glad I optioned
- Head Up Display - at first wasn't sure I was going to get on with it, but now the subconsious is learning, I refer to it more than the normal speedo. Integration with Apple Maps is handy too.
- Pan roof, having not had a sunroof since my Mk4 Golf GTI 1.8T, this makes the cabin feel more spacious. Looking forward to better weather so I can actually use it.
- Nurburgring "Special" mode via DCC option. I have renamed it 'Nasty' mode :evil: as I think it's just offensive in terms of engine noise (no doubt mostly fake), response and exhaust pops and bangs. I didn't touch this mode until I'd run the engine in. So for about 1500 miles I drove in Comfort mode and began to miss bits of the Mk6, but then I put the car into Special mode, and found the Clubsport's GTI again. Nasty mode I like...a lot.
Stuff I wasn't expecting
- Consistently returning better fuel economy than the Mk6 on my daily commute. 42 MPG instead of 38 - 40.
- I've got the creaking/scraping sound when going round certain B-road bends at speed. Been back to the dealer for a road test (which of course car didn't do it on), they've applied their 'special' grease to suspension components, but still persists; so still to sort.
- Car turns in a lot sharper than my Mk6!
- Grip levels are very impressive
- the vigour that the boot hatch closes, watch your fingers! :grin:
Stuff I miss from the Mk6
- Cubby holes, the Mk6 has plenty of places to store glasses, cleaning cloths, Yorkie bars. I especially miss the sunglasses' storage in the headliner centre section, and the storage hole to the lower right of the steering wheel.
- Driver's Sun Visor with side extension. Unless it's just my car?? but really Volkswagen, not having a side extendable sun visor is unexcusable. My commute to work has (dependant on British weather of course) 30 minutes of early side-Sun agony. The Sun just sits next to the B-pillar on the driver's side, and not being able to block it out with the sun visor is just not cool! Clearly an area the accountants got to and thought owners wouldn't notice.
- Backlit temperature controls
- Mk6 Dynaudio trumps the standard Mk8 speaker system - Harmon Kardon was not available when I ordered mine else I would've spec'd it.
Stuff I thought may've caused a problem but hasn't
- Haptic steering wheel buttons - I've not accidentally turned anything on (or off) at all. Once I learnt what the buttons do, I'm actually okay with them. Think some journalists' opinions were a little over critical. Maybe I just hold the steering wheel different to journalists :grin:.
- Infotainment system. Mine seems responsive, and works well. Did spec the pro nav, on the assumption that maybe some of the internal chips may be different (faster) to the standard nav model - though of course no real difference comparison on the VW website to base that on.
- Heating controls - generally I set and forget my car temps. But I've actually found the voice commands are fine, once I worked out what some of the key words were. Any phrase with "temperature" in it sets A/C temperature, any phrase with "heated" seems to set the heated seat level.
- Lane Assist, as has been mentioned by many others. Not a big hassle to turn off before a journey. Generally I use for motorways, dual carriageways. turn it off for A and B roads.
Stuff that needs some work
Speed limit sign recognition. As I'm sure folks have mentioned before, the car has a tendency to pick up national speed limit signs on slip roads. Experienced when I've been travelling on a dual carriageway that currently has a 40 MPH average speed camera stretch of roadworks. On first occurence this caused some swearing and a very quick re-adjustment of the cruise control. The car's camera is clearly wide angled!
'Avon Calling' Bong Experience
Only on cold (frosty) mornings or evening last month have I experienced a couple of assist systems being unavailable. Once the car warmed up, the systems came back online. Dealership had said that if a layer of frost or ice forms on the sensors it can cause these problems. This appears to be validated in my experience.
Stuff I love
- The car's pick up and go, jumping from a 210 PS GTI to 300 PS GTI is definitely noticable
- Minimalist cabin design - personal preference I know
- Ride quality and low road noise (well my Winter Contis are quiet compared to the supplied summer Bridgestones)
- Seats are very comfy which is good, as my back is old and broken. :grin:
- 'Nasty' mode :evil:
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@Bluto; very comprehensive review. I think it would be fair to say you’re enjoying your new car :wink:. With your mk8 and mk6 parked nose to nose, you can clearly see the difference in shade between Pure White and Candy White. Oh, and your mk6 GTI is wearing its 217k miles very well.
You didn’t give your BBS alloys a mention; they really suit the Clubsport IMHO. I prefer them to any of VW’s alloys for the mk8 Clubsport and I think they do look quite OEM too. And as they’re not diamond cut, no issues with white worm corrosion either :smiley:.
Hope you have many thousands of miles enjoyable motoring.
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@Bluto; very comprehensive review. I think it would be fair to say you’re enjoying your new car :wink:. With your mk8 and mk6 parked nose to nose, you can clearly see the difference in shade between Pure White and Candy White. Oh, and your mk6 GTI is wearing its 217k miles very well.
You didn’t give your BBS alloys a mention; they really suit the Clubsport IMHO. I prefer them to any of VW’s alloys for the mk8 Clubsport and I think they do look quite OEM too. And as they’re not diamond cut, no issues with white worm corrosion either :smiley:.
Hope you have many thousands of miles enjoyable motoring.
Thanks SRGTD, yes the car was definitely worth the 21 month wait and I'm glad I didn't cancel my order.
I didn't initially think the white paints were that different, that was until I put the cars nose to nose.
Ah the 18" BBS SR wheels, yes well they are my go to winter wheels. Ran them on the Mk6 in both 17" and the 18" ones you see on the Clubsport. I originally had SRs in 17", but they wouldn't clear the Clubsport's brakes, so had to 'upgrade'. Saying that the 18" wheels only just do! I agree they do look OEM and think they suit the Clubsport quite well in my opinion. Plus they're not diamond cut so I like them even more! :grin: The 19" Black Estorils are in the garage with the noisy Bridgestone summer tyres on :rolleyes:. Expect they'll be seeing the light of day at the end of March when I do my twice yearly wheel swop over.
Hoping too that the Mk8 supplies enough smiles, grins and driving enjoyment as my Mk6 has. Off to a good start. Though I'm not kidding myself, it's a Volkswagen, of course something's gonna break or go wrong! :grin: :whistle:
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That’s a really good summary of your experience so far Bluto.
I wonder if the Clubby will serve you as well as the mk6 as you’ve certainly had your money’s worth out of that one!
The early morning bongs are quite normal when there’s a bit of dew in the air or more so in frosty conditions. It’s not the full on Avon Lady experience! Hopefully these later builds won’t suffer that fate.
And yes, the Clubsport does have surprisingly good economy for a 300 PS hatch.
Love the photo of the two cars nose to nose :cool:
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Picked my Clubsport up today :laugh:
Got the chance to buy it so i just could not resist , got a Moonstone Grey and love the look of it, hopefully many miles of fun to come
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- I've got the creaking/scraping sound when going round certain B-road bends at speed. Been back to the dealer for a road test (which of course car didn't do it on), they've applied their 'special' grease to suspension components, but still persists; so still to sort.
Top mounts maybe?
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I've had that noise from new. Dealer can't find the problem...
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@Bluto; very comprehensive review. I think it would be fair to say you’re enjoying your new car :wink:. With your mk8 and mk6 parked nose to nose, you can clearly see the difference in shade between Pure White and Candy White. Oh, and your mk6 GTI is wearing its 217k miles very well.
You didn’t give your BBS alloys a mention; they really suit the Clubsport IMHO. I prefer them to any of VW’s alloys for the mk8 Clubsport and I think they do look quite OEM too. And as they’re not diamond cut, no issues with white worm corrosion either :smiley:.
Hope you have many thousands of miles enjoyable motoring.
Thanks SRGTD, yes the car was definitely worth the 21 month wait and I'm glad I didn't cancel my order.
I didn't initially think the white paints were that different, that was until I put the cars nose to nose.
Ah the 18" BBS SR wheels, yes well they are my go to winter wheels. Ran them on the Mk6 in both 17" and the 18" ones you see on the Clubsport. I originally had SRs in 17", but they wouldn't clear the Clubsport's brakes, so had to 'upgrade'. Saying that the 18" wheels only just do! I agree they do look OEM and think they suit the Clubsport quite well in my opinion. Plus they're not diamond cut so I like them even more! :grin: The 19" Black Estorils are in the garage with the noisy Bridgestone summer tyres on :rolleyes:. Expect they'll be seeing the light of day at the end of March when I do my twice yearly wheel swop over.
Hoping too that the Mk8 supplies enough smiles, grins and driving enjoyment as my Mk6 has. Off to a good start. Though I'm not kidding myself, it's a Volkswagen, of course something's gonna break or go wrong! :grin: :whistle:
As you know, went back in time to a MK 6 for about 8 months, and received some great advice from yourself, which appreciated, and it was only the lack of tech that made us move on quickly to a MK 7.5 Golf R, was super impressed with the build quality of the MK 6 and the smooth pulling power of that 210 BHP engine.
Items we missed were rear view camera, and all around parking sensors and graphic (only had rear acoustic) but the main bug bear was the RNS 510 unit, compared to maps of today its obviously really outdated, and screen was slow, and once had apple play, its hard to live without. Wife was not as bothered, but using a handbrake again was another irritant to me.
So, given your history of MK 6 and jump over the MK 7x that was an interesting read, and be equally interested to see how you feel about the MK 8, especially the leap in tech, and when really start to rack up the miles.
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Hi All
I've been away for a while - was an active member with a MK5 ED30, R32 and 2 x Mk7 GTI's.
Back looking again, and after having had an Audi S3, I don't want to go with an R!. Also like something a bit different, and love the red!
I've found a nice looking example, but I'm afraid I am really looking for one of the optioned wheels, and this one has the standard wheels. I know I might be crazy, but I'm happy to source some 2nd hand and have refurbished. However, does anyone have the part number for the correct Adelaide and Estoril wheels please? The Estoril might be 5H0601025AD?
Any thoughts welcome too! Am I mad with the facelift having now been announced?
Cheers!
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Hi All
I've been away for a while - was an active member with a MK5 ED30, R32 and 2 x Mk7 GTI's.
Back looking again, and after having had an Audi S3, I don't want to go with an R!. Also like something a bit different, and love the red!
I've found a nice looking example, but I'm afraid I am really looking for one of the optioned wheels, and this one has the standard wheels. I know I might be crazy, but I'm happy to source some 2nd hand and have refurbished. However, does anyone have the part number for the correct Adelaide and Estoril wheels please? The Estoril might be 5H0601025AD?
Any thoughts welcome too! Am I mad with the facelift having now been announced?
Cheers!
I'd say it depends on the price of the one you are looking at. I wouldn't be surprised if base price of 8.5 clubsports start at £45k which is wild as i'm sure the were £38k when launched.
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Hi All
I've been away for a while - was an active member with a MK5 ED30, R32 and 2 x Mk7 GTI's.
Back looking again, and after having had an Audi S3, I don't want to go with an R!. Also like something a bit different, and love the red!
I've found a nice looking example, but I'm afraid I am really looking for one of the optioned wheels, and this one has the standard wheels. I know I might be crazy, but I'm happy to source some 2nd hand and have refurbished. However, does anyone have the part number for the correct Adelaide and Estoril wheels please? The Estoril might be 5H0601025AD?
Any thoughts welcome too! Am I mad with the facelift having now been announced?
Cheers!
Hi GE90
Ahhh the Estoril :whistle:, there are two designs of the Estoril, the diamond turned version and the black painted version (I know both well - long story :rolleyes:). Part numbers are:
VW 19" Estoril diamond-turned alloy wheels - Part Number 5H0 601 025 S FZZ
https://www.original-felgen.com/5h0601025sfzz.html (https://www.original-felgen.com/5h0601025sfzz.html)
VW 19" Estoril black alloy wheels - Part Number 5H0 601 025 AD AX1
https://www.original-felgen.com/5h0601025adax1.html (https://www.original-felgen.com/5h0601025adax1.html)
For the 19" Adelaide wheels, according to Original-Felgen.com
Part number is 5H0 601 025 R FZZ
https://www.original-felgen.com/5h0601025rfzz.html (https://www.original-felgen.com/5h0601025rfzz.html)
I don't think you are mad, there'll always be a newer model of car around the corner. Plus it's going to be a while before facelifted performance Golfs are about or available to order.
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Thanks so much for your comprehensive response!
I’ve made on offer on Clubsport and await a response. This one has Adelaide wheels 👍
Cheers.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/qqTJX8bZ/Mk6-MK8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VrKPzbcj)
Having not contributed to this thread since my collecting my new Clubsport from the detailers in January this year. Thought I'd give an update after 3,000 miles of driving the Mk8, as I think I'm now in more of a position to give my thoughts on my Mk8. Nearly feels like my car.
I bought my Mk6 11 years ago, and have driven 192,000 miles in it, to where it currently sits at 217,000 miles. So I think I know my Mk6 pretty well.
Going from a 2010 model year Golf to a 2024 model year Golf has been a pretty huge jump in terms of car technology. Lane assist, side assist, travel assist, breakfast assist, life assist, pretty much lots of assistance.
This is my first automatic car after driving manuals since I passed my test in the late 90s. So the phantom clutch foot, and left arm preping to change down for junctions etc. is still happening, but far less frequently. :smiley:
Stuff I'm glad I optioned
- Head Up Display - at first wasn't sure I was going to get on with it, but now the subconsious is learning, I refer to it more than the normal speedo. Integration with Apple Maps is handy too.
- Pan roof, having not had a sunroof since my Mk4 Golf GTI 1.8T, this makes the cabin feel more spacious. Looking forward to better weather so I can actually use it.
- Nurburgring "Special" mode via DCC option. I have renamed it 'Nasty' mode :evil: as I think it's just offensive in terms of engine noise (no doubt mostly fake), response and exhaust pops and bangs. I didn't touch this mode until I'd run the engine in. So for about 1500 miles I drove in Comfort mode and began to miss bits of the Mk6, but then I put the car into Special mode, and found the Clubsport's GTI again. Nasty mode I like...a lot.
Stuff I wasn't expecting
- Consistently returning better fuel economy than the Mk6 on my daily commute. 42 MPG instead of 38 - 40.
- I've got the creaking/scraping sound when going round certain B-road bends at speed. Been back to the dealer for a road test (which of course car didn't do it on), they've applied their 'special' grease to suspension components, but still persists; so still to sort.
- Car turns in a lot sharper than my Mk6!
- Grip levels are very impressive
- the vigour that the boot hatch closes, watch your fingers! :grin:
Stuff I miss from the Mk6
- Cubby holes, the Mk6 has plenty of places to store glasses, cleaning cloths, Yorkie bars. I especially miss the sunglasses' storage in the headliner centre section, and the storage hole to the lower right of the steering wheel.
- Driver's Sun Visor with side extension. Unless it's just my car?? but really Volkswagen, not having a side extendable sun visor is unexcusable. My commute to work has (dependant on British weather of course) 30 minutes of early side-Sun agony. The Sun just sits next to the B-pillar on the driver's side, and not being able to block it out with the sun visor is just not cool! Clearly an area the accountants got to and thought owners wouldn't notice.
- Backlit temperature controls
- Mk6 Dynaudio trumps the standard Mk8 speaker system - Harmon Kardon was not available when I ordered mine else I would've spec'd it.
Stuff I thought may've caused a problem but hasn't
- Haptic steering wheel buttons - I've not accidentally turned anything on (or off) at all. Once I learnt what the buttons do, I'm actually okay with them. Think some journalists' opinions were a little over critical. Maybe I just hold the steering wheel different to journalists :grin:.
- Infotainment system. Mine seems responsive, and works well. Did spec the pro nav, on the assumption that maybe some of the internal chips may be different (faster) to the standard nav model - though of course no real difference comparison on the VW website to base that on.
- Heating controls - generally I set and forget my car temps. But I've actually found the voice commands are fine, once I worked out what some of the key words were. Any phrase with "temperature" in it sets A/C temperature, any phrase with "heated" seems to set the heated seat level.
- Lane Assist, as has been mentioned by many others. Not a big hassle to turn off before a journey. Generally I use for motorways, dual carriageways. turn it off for A and B roads.
Stuff that needs some work
Speed limit sign recognition. As I'm sure folks have mentioned before, the car has a tendency to pick up national speed limit signs on slip roads. Experienced when I've been travelling on a dual carriageway that currently has a 40 MPH average speed camera stretch of roadworks. On first occurence this caused some swearing and a very quick re-adjustment of the cruise control. The car's camera is clearly wide angled!
'Avon Calling' Bong Experience
Only on cold (frosty) mornings or evening last month have I experienced a couple of assist systems being unavailable. Once the car warmed up, the systems came back online. Dealership had said that if a layer of frost or ice forms on the sensors it can cause these problems. This appears to be validated in my experience.
Stuff I love
- The car's pick up and go, jumping from a 210 PS GTI to 300 PS GTI is definitely noticable
- Minimalist cabin design - personal preference I know
- Ride quality and low road noise (well my Winter Contis are quiet compared to the supplied summer Bridgestones)
- Seats are very comfy which is good, as my back is old and broken. :grin:
- 'Nasty' mode :evil:
Great Spec for the car. I had the Clubsport for over a month now and most if all the problems seem to be ironed out. The whole steering wheel problems were over blown. I never once clicked a function I never wanted.
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Mine is on status: "Waiting to transport"
I hope that it will be here in next two weeks :grin:
I already bought for it:
Milltek non-resonated
ST XA suspension
H&R anti-roll bars front and rear
WF wheels 19"
R600 intake with turbo inlet
HG motorsport intercooler
And ofc I'm a detailer, so it will be full protected (PPF and ceramic coating) & tuned when it comes.
Can't wait...
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Hopefully you won’t need to attempt any warranty claims Mislav! 😁
Looking forward to seeing some photos once the car has arrived and you’ve added your little extra bits :cool:
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I'm not worried about warranty, its a long story and not for public :laugh: :whistle:
SW (ECU tune) will be on schedule next year, this season on original 300HP
Glad to have 6 years or 150k km warranty, great deal by VW.
Ofc that it would be posted here! :)
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Does anyone know if these wheel caps below will fit the Mk8 Clubsport wheel? Specifically the Scottsdale as fitted to the Edition 45 GTI.
https://www.kunzmann.de/shop/en/wheels-wheel-hub-cap-chrome-red-vw-golf-7-genuine-volkswagen.htm
I believe they will fit….. because….. I’ve asked about the dynamic centre caps for the Scottsdale wheels, I’ve been told by my dealer they will fit and the ones you’re looking at have the same dimensions (inside and outside) as the dynamic centre caps.
insert small print here…. I’m not 100%, but fairly confident.
Btw. Merry Christmas everyone :smiley:
May I ask whether anyone has fitted genuine MK7 Clubsport centre caps to MK8 Adelaide wheels please? Thanks