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Model specific boards => Golf mk8 => Topic started by: Yantos on 12 March 2021, 08:57
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Hi All
New to the forum and just ordered a Clubsport on lease for a couple of years. Should arrive in the next 3 weeks New to Mk8 but not new to brand / model having had Mk6 a few years back.
Given it's lease, it comes without options and of course on the 18" Richmond wheels which I'm not a fan of so plan to put either Adelaide or Estoril wheels on, or alternatively (and if they fit ok), 19" Pretoria wheels which I think would suit the car well in silver or titanium (car is Silver).
Had a couple of questions related to this:
- I'm assuming for genuine Adelaide / Estoril, I'll need to source from a VW dealer ? Any ideas of cost ?
- I've seen Adelaide reps on eBay - any perspectives on the quality of these (integrity, weight etc.) compared to VW OEM
- Would the Pretoria's from the mk 7/7.5 be a simple bolt on job?
- Tyres - not sure what they'll arrive on, but what tyres are people running on these on 19" wheels ? I enjoy "spirited" driving and trackdays (though this won't be tracked) and have typically run Michelin Cups, Supersports, 4S on my other cars - M3 CSL, RS4 etc.
Thanks in advance and thanks (mods) for letting me in !
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Welcome Yantos!
I've got Adelaides on my GTI... things I can tell you:
They are HEAVY (12.6kg)
On the Mk8's the springs are different depending on the factory wheel size
They are slightly wider than the body being 8.5J and the car from the factory has winglets to keep it UK road legal.
From the factory they have BS S005's, if you wanted the best, its probably PS4S's.
If you want max track attack you probably don't want 19's anyway, get some lightweight 18's or even 17's and some cups.
Hope you've ordered DCC on your clubby. Mistake if you haven't IMHO.... not for ride comfort, but for the "ring mode"
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Welcome Yantos!
I've got Adelaides on my GTI... things I can tell you:
They are HEAVY (12.6kg)
On the Mk8's the springs are different depending on the factory wheel size
They are slightly wider than the body being 8.5J and the car from the factory has winglets to keep it UK road legal.
From the factory they have BS S005's, if you wanted the best, its probably PS4S's.
If you want max track attack you probably don't want 19's anyway, get some lightweight 18's or even 17's and some cups.
Hope you've ordered DCC on your clubby. Mistake if you haven't IMHO.... not for ride comfort, but for the "ring mode"
Thx Fredgroves,
Not planning to track this but did want good rubber for spirited road driving...and I've been a Michelin fanboy. No DCC - it's a physical car, so I had no spec choice, but the deal was compelling enough to make do without. So the 19" will be for show more than go!
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Re Tyres, my GTI collected last week come with 18'' Goodyear Eagle F1 super sports.
Was quite surprised as was expecting the dreaded Bridgestones...
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You can expect Adelaide's, Estoril's or for that matter 19 inch Pretoria's sourced through VW to cost mega money. Certainly well over £2k per set without tyres.
If that's a bit too rich then there are some alternatives;-
Some have chosen 19 inch Brescia's from the Mk7 / 7.5 as they're a much more affordable OEM Golf wheel.
Pretoria's from the Passat have also been available recently for sensible money. However they're heavier than the Golf version and a different shade unless you go for the black ones. They're also a different offset.
Genuine VW Pret's are also available in 18 inch for around £1k. They come in 4 (I think) different colours and this would save you from buying tyres.
Aftermarket reps are available for much less money but they will vary in quality. The main issues will be weight, structural integrity and durability of the finish. CM Wheels though do seem to be well thought of by those that have tried them.
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Welcome Yantos :smiley:
I have a bog standard Clubsport too which came on 18’s which I subsequently “upgraded” to 19’s. Suspension wise it feels much like my former Ed40 Clubsport in daily use, which is no bad thing.
Pretorias will fit straight on perfectly.
You don’t need DCC as the car rides and handles perfectly well on standard passive suspension.
Go for Pilot Sport 4S tyres as they work really well on Golfs, or Goodyear Assy 5’s will be just as good I’d imagine.
If you want genuine VW wheels you’ll have to keep an eye on eBay (German VW dealers usually) or forum/social media classifieds as UK dealer prices are truly eye watering.
Personally I went for replicas which weigh the same, give or take, as VW wheels plus still use the original bolts and bolt caps. Centre caps being the only slight issue as regards to using OEM parts.
CMWheels seem to be the go to place for reps, they’ll normally offer a slight forum discount too.
Crossed with Guzzle’s post as I was typing so some stuff duplicated.
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If you want genuine VW wheels you’ll have to keep an eye on eBay (German VW dealers usually) or forum/social media classifieds as UK dealer prices are truly eye watering.
Bear in mind that some EU based companies are no longer exporting to the UK since Brexit, due to the increased admin and form filling involved (Tyre Leader who are based in the EU no longer sell aftermarket alloys in the UK). Additionally, German sourced genuine VW wheels may cost quite a bit more now, because of the post-Brexit import taxes and duties that will apply.
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Re Tyres, my GTI collected last week come with 18'' Goodyear Eagle F1 super sports.
Was quite surprised as was expecting the dreaded Bridgestones...
don't get S005 Bridgestones mixed up with S001s. They are a completely different tyre, not that anything was wrong with the S001s.
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Re Tyres, my GTI collected last week come with 18'' Goodyear Eagle F1 super sports.
Was quite surprised as was expecting the dreaded Bridgestones...
don't get S005 Bridgestones mixed up with S001s. They are a completely different tyre, not that anything was wrong with the S001s.
I've not tried the 5s but found the 1s not so good in the rain, on a GTD anyway.
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Thx Guys, great feedback.
So it sounds like Pretoria from CM wheels / Michelin 4S tyres which'll bolt straight on without offset concerns....?
Or if I'm feeling flush, OEM from VW / Michelin 4S tyres but be prepared for a wait...?
Cheers
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Yes, S001's on my two GTD's were bloody dreadful....
but...
S005 is a different tyre and the Mk8 doesn't tramp like a Mk8.
Absolutely zero wheel spin, not in the cold, not in the wet and I've seen TR Hamza light it up with launch and even he said "wow, no tramping".
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So it sounds like Pretoria from CM wheels / Michelin 4S tyres which'll bolt straight on without offset concerns....?
Are those 8J or 8.5J? Remember what I said about the Adelaides and the winglets...
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Yeah, I’d avoid 8.5J on a mk8, even ignoring the weird winglets (snowflake EU thing) an 8.5J ET45 will be pushing it on an 8. The arches don’t seem quite as accommodating as those on a mk7 despite it being mostly the same car.
8x19 ET42 to 45 will sit just about right unless you want full gangsta stance.
CMWheels also do Estoril replicas but they have polished faces so I’d worry about that. OEM polished faces can be bad enough.
There’s an amazing looking set of genuine Pretorias in the mk7 classifieds on here. I’d have snapped them up if they’d been advertised a week or two before they went live as they’re not far from me.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=287268.0
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Can some one clarify please the difference.
I was looking at a car with 18s then possibly fitting 19s, but when I had a snoop at the configurator it looked as though there was a suspension setup difference between the two. Just blows my mind...... :smiley:
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Can some one clarify please the difference.
I was looking at a car with 18s then possibly fitting 19s, but when I had a snoop at the configurator it looked as though there was a suspension setup difference between the two. Just blows my mind...... :smiley:
Yes there is.... VW now are fitting different springs to Mk8's with 17's, 18's and 19's.
On the previous Golfs you got the same suspension for 17's as cast 19's - which is why everyone used to say urgh 19's make it ride terrible.
That's not to say you can't buy with 18's and fit 19's..... you just won't get the ride VW had in mind... which might not be terrible, just different.
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Thats what i thought Fred, Thanks, I was just watching volkswizard saying about his CS(also reviewing the vrs Octavia) with negative camber on the front is that on the Gti also?
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Thats what i thought Fred, Thanks, I was just watching volkswizard saying about his CS(also reviewing the vrs Octavia) with negative camber on the front is that on the Gti also?
I think the clubby has more negative camber to enhance its turning in rate.... whether the GTI has negative camber at all I don't know off of the top of my head, certainly the clubby has more.
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I am sure once the Golf has been out for a bit, people will delve into this subject a lot more especially over the pond.
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I don't know if the GTI has a neutral camber, but certainly of the clubby:
The next most significant alteration is the negative 1.2 degrees camber employed at the front. It's a geometry chosen by Leuchter because, in his words, "you can attack the entrance of each corner more" and "better feel when the tyre reaches its limits". It's aggressive for a road car but not the maddest setting VW has used in recent times, with the old Clubsport S set at -2 degrees. Same goes for the progressive steering rack tuning: it's a quicker 14:1 from centre, but matches the Mk8 GTI's overall ratio (2.1 turns lock-to-lock), to keep the car easy to place at high speed. According to its makers, when combined with new control arms and firmer damper bearings, the Clubsport's final setup improves steering feedback, too.
Its definitely a different geometry on the Clubby in quite a few ways, doesn't sound like a lot on paper, but those are definitely noticeable numbers...
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Re Tyres, my GTI collected last week come with 18'' Goodyear Eagle F1 super sports.
Was quite surprised as was expecting the dreaded Bridgestones...
So did mine which was a nice surprise!
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Yeah, I’d avoid 8.5J on a mk8, even ignoring the weird winglets (snowflake EU thing) an 8.5J ET45 will be pushing it on an 8. The arches don’t seem quite as accommodating as those on a mk7 despite it being mostly the same car.
8x19 ET42 to 45 will sit just about right unless you want full gangsta stance.
CMWheels also do Estoril replicas but they have polished faces so I’d worry about that. OEM polished faces can be bad enough.
There’s an amazing looking set of genuine Pretorias in the mk7 classifieds on here. I’d have snapped them up if they’d been advertised a week or two before they went live as they’re not far from me.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=287268.0
Helpful, thanks. So it sounds like either of the below (size wise) would be a straight boot on job ?
I’m def looking for an OEM stance...it really is just a design thing with Richmonds.
https://cmwheels.com/product/18-vw-golf-r-pretoria-style-wheels-gloss-gun-metal-vw-audi-5x112/
https://cmwheels.com/product/19-vw-golf-r-pretoria-style-wheels-gloss-gun-metal-vw-audi-5x112/
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Or these...?
https://cmwheels.com/product/19″-2021-vw-golf-gti-adelaide-style-wheels-gloss-black-machined/ (https://cmwheels.com/product/19″-2021-vw-golf-gti-adelaide-style-wheels-gloss-black-machined/)
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Or these...... :cool:
https://cmwheels.com/product/19%e2%80%b3-vw-golf-r-pretoria-style-wheels-bbs-gold/
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Or these...... :cool:
https://cmwheels.com/product/19%e2%80%b3-vw-golf-r-pretoria-style-wheels-bbs-gold/
Oh my word, it’s a bit early in the morning to be looking at gold wheels! :sick:
:grin:
All of the above wheels will fit fine in 8” width and ET45.
I was tempted to go ET42 but played safe at 45mm and it looks ok, no winglets needed and certainly won’t upset an MOT tester
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Thanks again guys, really helpful thread.
Car should arrive between now and first week of April. Will report back :smiley:
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Anyone seen Mr Chapple’s video where he changes to 19s? Interesting choice.
https://youtu.be/khzOiSFjxXM
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Anyone seen Mr Chapple’s video where he changes to 19s? Interesting choice.
https://youtu.be/khzOiSFjxXM
Big improvement over the standard 18” Richmond swastika alloys IMHO, although the design’s a little too fussy for me, and the look as if they’ll be a pain in the butt to clean!
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Anyone seen Mr Chapple’s video where he changes to 19s? Interesting choice.
https://youtu.be/khzOiSFjxXM
Is he starting to play to the gallery? He’s the wrong side of 40 for those wheels
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Someone in the comments said they look like a Ford Focus wheel. :laugh:
They look nothing like an OEM VW wheel. Wouldn't have been my choice, but it wasn't my money either 🤷♂️
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I doubt it was his money either :laugh:
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I doubt it was his money either :laugh:
Interesting that he didn't explicitly say how much they cost. :wink:
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The car looks better just for having bigger alloys but they’re not nice imo.
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I usually like/agree with Volkswizard’s choices but I don’t like those wheels. Saying they’re an improvement over the standard richmonds is very faint praise.
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Interestingly it states in the video comments, that the wheels are 8.5” with ET45. He doesn’t mention any figment issues., but does intend to fit the spats once they’re available
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If he changes the height all will be forgiven
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Agreed. They are a definite improvement but perhaps a little bit on the fussy side. If I was getting Vossen wheels I would get the HF3 in either graphite or gloss black.
https://vossenwheels.com/wheel/hf-3/
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Far too busy imo , but an improvement on standards... I prefer the Optional 19" factory ones
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Agreed. They are a definite improvement but perhaps a little bit on the fussy side. If I was getting Vossen wheels I would get the HF3 in either graphite or gloss black.
https://vossenwheels.com/wheel/hf-3/
👍👍
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Agreed. They are a definite improvement but perhaps a little bit on the fussy side. If I was getting Vossen wheels I would get the HF3 in either graphite or gloss black.
https://vossenwheels.com/wheel/hf-3/
👍👍
HF3’s in Anthracite on a Silver Clubsport would look really good IMHO; better than the HF2’s.
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Oh dear Mr Chapple.
I can see the look he was going for with a rose tinted eye on the BBS RA styles fitted to older generation GTIs and VR6s but it failed. Far too fussy and complicated for a 21st Century Golf.
Still, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I think he mentioned Vossen were from Florida? Well, anyone who has spent more than a couple of hours in Miami will know all about Floridian automotive “style” :lipsrsealed:
ETTO as they used to say on car forums.
I don’t get where he’s coming from about “marginal” ride quality on the standard dampers either. It’s a Golf GTI not a 2CV. The Clubsport has fantastic body control and feels well bushed and damped to me considering its power and speed handling capabilities. I’ve driven mine over some shocking surfaces on 19’s with no DCC and find it perfectly acceptable.
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Yeah I see that too.
Surely if you want BBS, just buy BBS?. :undecided:
Those Vossen wheels look like they were from Halfords :sick:
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BBS said they wouldn't give him some :laugh:
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So we’re all agreed then, those wheels are sh1t.
Well at least he’s got the forums talking.
I’m sure he wouldn’t have done if his great reveal had been “ I’ve got a set of adelaides”
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Maybe Mr Wizard needs a set of these to finish the look off https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4pcs-Universal-Widened-JDM-Fender-Flares-Wheel-Arch-2-inch-ABS-Car-Fittings-UK-/264578046251?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292
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....and one of these....
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZRh8ycyQ/71yvn-JAmmb-L-AC-UL1500.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/t12ZKFkd)
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Thx Guys, great feedback.
So it sounds like Pretoria from CM wheels / Michelin 4S tyres which'll bolt straight on without offset concerns....?
Or if I'm feeling flush, OEM from VW / Michelin 4S tyres but be prepared for a wait...?
Cheers
I’ll be selling my genuine black Pretoria’s imminently, looking for around £1200.
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Hi All
Car arrived a couple of weeks back and happy boy :)
All advice re: size / offset taken on board from the above great advice....but I'm a little confused...
These wheels are being sold on eBay by a VW dealer close by. I enquired and they've offered them at £1700 inc tyres which seems reasonable.
I've explained to them they'll be going on a Mk 8 Clubsport and the guy went away to check with the tech who confirmed they'll fit ok....I'll come down and they'll do it the fitting for free.
But...the ad suggests the offset is 51....in practical terms, what does this mean they'll look like when they're on the car ?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363241050117?hash=item5492da9005:g:hpoAAOSwjJZgf00F
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Hi All
Car arrived a couple of weeks back and happy boy :)
All advice re: size / offset taken on board from the above great advice....but I'm a little confused...
These wheels are being sold on eBay by a VW dealer close by. I enquired and they've offered them at £1700 inc tyres which seems reasonable.
I've explained to them they'll be going on a Mk 8 Clubsport and the guy went away to check with the tech who confirmed they'll fit ok....I'll come down and they'll do it the fitting for free.
But...the ad suggests the offset is 51....in practical terms, what does this mean they'll look like when they're on the car ?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363241050117?hash=item5492da9005:g:hpoAAOSwjJZgf00F
Those wheels will be 7.5 x 19 from the golf 7.5
The higher the offset number, the further in the arch they will sit.
I would imagine that 7.5 width with 51 offset will sit quite far inside the arch and may require a spacer if you want them to sit flush.
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Hi All
Car arrived a couple of weeks back and happy boy :)
All advice re: size / offset taken on board from the above great advice....but I'm a little confused...
These wheels are being sold on eBay by a VW dealer close by. I enquired and they've offered them at £1700 inc tyres which seems reasonable.
I've explained to them they'll be going on a Mk 8 Clubsport and the guy went away to check with the tech who confirmed they'll fit ok....I'll come down and they'll do it the fitting for free.
But...the ad suggests the offset is 51....in practical terms, what does this mean they'll look like when they're on the car ?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363241050117?hash=item5492da9005:g:hpoAAOSwjJZgf00F
Those wheels will be 7.5 x 19 from the golf 7.5
The higher the offset number, the further in the arch they will sit.
I would imagine that 7.5 width with 51 offset will sit quite far inside the arch and may require a spacer if you want them to sit flush.
Cheers, what I thought. The lower offset number wheels do seem pretty scarce.
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This will give you an idea of how they will look on the car
https://youtu.be/XItqUHpCyp0
This one too if you skip to 1 min 40 secs
https://youtu.be/cTBvy3amJo4
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I doubt it was his money either :laugh:
I was thinking similar, Fred. I do wonder how objective the Wizard is in some of his recent reviews because there does seem to be a creeping level of product placement and also a reluctance to criticise certain suppliers, especially those that are selling or lending him something. Or, am I just being too grumpy and cynical? :wink:
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No I think like a lot of people he's now thinking of YouTube as less of a fun hobby and more of a money spinner.
When you see just how much it is possible to make I guess we'd all do the same - its a big business.
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When you see just how much it is possible to make I guess we'd all do the same - its a big business.
Balls, I missed a trick there with the amount of cars I burned through in the last few years! :grin:
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There's a guy I watch on YouTube who has five million subscribers. He's a qualified doctor but spends his time making two YouTube videos a week doing stupid stuff... He doesn't need his medical income any more..
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Hats off to those who can make a good living out of it doing something they love :cool:
I don’t really do the YouTube thing much but I’d imagine I was in a minority of one these days so advertising revenues must be huge.
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Just to close this thread out, I ended up buying a set of 19” Brescias from VW Tunbridge Wells. Wheels came with Dunlop Sport Maxx tyres. All for £1700 fitted which I thought was reasonable. Work was done yesterday and car looks 10x better IMO.
Thanks for all contributions to the thread :smiley:
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Good choice Yantos, don’t forget the photos!
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Cheers, very happy with the results. Price seemed good as the Imola, Estorils and Pretoria’s all seem to be £3k+ for wheels only. Should probably get 50-60% back come sale time in 2 years when lease is up. At least I dont go out to the car feeling disappointed in its appearance anymore !
Before:
(https://i.postimg.cc/yxZbw4xC/8-E748314-CD46-413-E-9835-69-D7-A31-F976-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3031vq2t)
After:
(https://i.postimg.cc/0yfBgCkj/CD9-CD322-833-C-42-EC-AC63-DDCBBE9-B7-A2-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cvvmww8G)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/5Nj0QsGd/A1-F6-C90-B-6-FAE-4294-87-D2-1-AF87-D4-E6-A56.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gnFdfHmN)
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:cool: That looks so much better :afro:
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Looks great... even tempted to change my ordered colour!
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Just wondered if anyone who’s fitted aftermarket 19s has gone to an 8.5” rim, and if so have there been any arch issues. Most rims seem to be 8.5” ET45. I’m pretty sure volkswizard has fitted this size? Opens up the choice significantly
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Think I may go this route. Have asked for pricing from the dealer and will try and do a deal.
Also thinking about a set of 18” Belvederes as I think they may really suit the car and are nice and light
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Just wondered if anyone who’s fitted aftermarket 19s has gone to an 8.5” rim, and if so have there been any arch issues. Most rims seem to be 8.5” ET45. I’m pretty sure volkswizard has fitted this size? Opens up the choice significantly
The OEM 19's are all 8.5J for the Mk8, the offset though I don't know - you could try to look up the data for the Adelaides though?
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Just wondered if anyone who’s fitted aftermarket 19s has gone to an 8.5” rim, and if so have there been any arch issues. Most rims seem to be 8.5” ET45. I’m pretty sure volkswizard has fitted this size? Opens up the choice significantly
The OEM 19's are all 8.5J for the Mk8, the offset though I don't know - you could try to look up the data for the Adelaides though?
The OEM 19's are all 8J for the Golf. Offsets IIRC are around ET51, they're listed on the wheels slide from the GTi press pack that was first posted on here around this time last year.
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Found it
(https://i.postimg.cc/mr41qnHM/Golf-Mk8-GTi-Wheels.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Hi
Am looking at upgrading my 18” wheels to 19”.
What do you guys think of the 4 wheels below
1)
(https://i.postimg.cc/hPzKqWXv/02-CDD72-B-B312-45-E9-9302-246-ED7-C796-AA.png) (https://postimg.cc/ykHMFGXC)
2)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MGbWr7vY/0-E9929-E2-536-B-4485-B026-23798-ECE5223.png) (https://postimg.cc/QBCGFWgB)
3)
(https://i.postimg.cc/CMtV7Pcg/BFD96430-F742-485-C-A301-2-B4-BC611-E242.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yWF5YPqQ)
4)
(https://i.postimg.cc/KcsmVvvC/E02258-D3-5217-4-C23-A145-D05-E6-C3-FD6-E4.png) (https://postimg.cc/s17FGzWJ)
(https://i.postimg.cc/wM3gvnFW/F7-ED3-AFA-2-F88-44-B4-8595-23-A6918-A9-FF0.png) (https://postimg.cc/xNrWpxwH)
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Hi
Am looking at upgrading my 18” wheels to 19”.
What do you guys think of the 4 wheels below
I like the style of the first one, but not the diamond cut finish.
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I like the first ones too. What brand are they? I’m also looking at a set of 19s. I looked at the Dotz Laguna Seca that you have shown, but in gunmetal. But they’re not really any lighter than the stock VW rims which put me off
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I like the 3rd one the most unfortunately it’s the most expensive one but the advantage been a direct replacement wheels same size as standard 19” from VW GTI mk8
weighing 10.5 kilograms
Mark Brock
Name is B38 schwarz front-poliert
Variant 8x19 ET50 - LK5/112 ML57.1
Weight 10,50 kg
Price €285 each
The DOTZ weighs 11,81 kg which is still lighter than all VW MK8 19 wheels
The first one is the cheapest but weight is too high at 15kg but very cheap
Mark. Wheelworld
Modell. WH30 daytona grau hochglanzpoliert
Variant. 8.5x19 ET45 - LK5/112 ML66.6
Weight 15,50 kg
€134
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Have you looked at bola? They make some pretty good wheels for reasonable money.
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Yes I have some of the Bola flow formed on my shortlist, along with JR racing, and Motec. Still undecided on whether to go 8.5x 19 or stick with 8”.
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Have you considered the t-roc pretoria?
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=287378.0
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Have you considered the t-roc pretoria?
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=287378.0
I prefer diamonds cut wheels or two tones wheel as I believe the dark
Monotone make the Pretoria look smaller
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Have you considered the t-roc pretoria?
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=287378.0
I prefer diamonds cut wheels or two tones wheel as I believe the dark
Monotone make the Pretoria look smaller
Diamond cut alloys look great on a new car sitting in the car dealer’s showroom and have a certain ‘bling’ appeal, but given the choice between diamond cut and alloys with a painted / powder coated finish I’d always go for the painted / powder coated finish. Why wouldn’t I choose diamond cut alloys?
- the finish on diamond cut alloys isn’t particularly durable, especially if they’re on a car all year round and subjected to winter road conditions. It’s not unusual for diamond cut alloys to succumb to white worm corrosion at around the 2.5 - 3 year mark (sometimes sooner) and I don’t like the white worm corrosion look on my wheels.
- they’re more expensive to refurbish than alloys with a painted / powder coated finish and can usually only be refurbished a maximum of two times. The refurb process involves cutting a layer of metal off the face of the wheel; more than two refurbs and the wheel’s structural integrity could be compromised
- they’re easily damaged by inexperienced tyre fitters
It’s good we don’t all like the same thing though, otherwise life would be boring. I just wish VW would offer more pained / powder coated wheel options on their cars and not assume everyone likes or wants diamond cut alloys :angry:.
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yes diamond cut wheels can be difficult to maintain but i have also had several of them without any issue as long as they firstly very good quality and well cared for by means of coating with wheel protection and washing at least once a week. the brock 38 wheels is a black gloss fully polished wheel which is winter useable with 5 years warrant in europe
they are also 10.5kg and will be use all year round plus they are directly OEM replacement original screw and caps fit and no need for TUV approval
(https://i.postimg.cc/C51y5J18/Screenshot-2021-05-14-at-11-50-38.png) (https://postimg.cc/JD9YdNj7)
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Mak Polaris or Wolf
Decent Italian made wheels, can usually be sourced to take original VW bolts and even centre caps too, plus correctly drilled to 57.1mm CB
https://www.makwheels.it/en-ww/volkswagen-golf-viii-cd-2020-19-alloy-wheels-1.aspx
I think they still have a configurator option on the website and in German too.
My usual commission rates apply... :whistle:
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10.5kg is like a hummingbird compared to VW Adelaides - 12.6kg!
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If some of my commute wasn’t like the Somme I’d definitely be open to getting a set of Brock 38’s when my Chinese pig iron Reifnitz disintegrate.
Nice and OEM styled, OEM compatible fittings and decently light.
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If some of my commute wasn’t like the Somme I’d definitely be open to getting a set of Brock 38’s when my Chinese pig iron Reifnitz disintegrate.
Nice and OEM styled, OEM compatible fittings and decently light.
I have a set of 18” RC Design RC32’s on my Polo GTI+ (RC Design is a Brock brand). They’re also reasonably light at around 10kg a corner and were a straight swap for the OEM alloys - same size / offset, centre bore of 57.1 so no need for spigot rings, and they use the OEM fittings too. The one negative is the VW centre caps don’t fit so I currently have the RC Design centre caps fitted. I might try and find a set of domed stick on VW emblems, but I don’t mind the RC Design caps.
Available in Ferric Grey, Satin Black or Himalaya Grey with diamond cut face. I went for Ferric Grey as I don’t like diamond cut alloys for the reasons stated in my earlier post in this thread, and I prefer grey alloys to black. I would’ve preferred it if the grey option was a slightly darker grey as IMHO they’re more of a dark sliver, but they hide the dirt well and being a simple design they’re easy to clean.
(https://i.postimg.cc/L4BQtQNz/1-B518689-8143-4809-AA68-22620-D547-C1-B.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/0QLv7Wng/5931-DC87-4067-459-B-8330-09-AEDC7-ACA08.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Well looks like I will be going with Bola FLE with Michelin 4S. Will order next month after I have picked the car up
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Mak Polaris or Wolf
Decent Italian made wheels, can usually be sourced to take original VW bolts and even centre caps too, plus correctly drilled to 57.1mm CB
https://www.makwheels.it/en-ww/volkswagen-golf-viii-cd-2020-19-alloy-wheels-1.aspx
I think they still have a configurator option on the website and in German too.
My usual commission rates apply... :whistle:
Thanks, I will have a look at this as the Brock 38 is actually now out of stock without delivery time and it’s better to have a direct replacement wheel with same size as manufacturers specifications otherwise I would have o pay extra €200 for a TÜV assessment.
The wheel I actually prefer are the Adelaide but they are going for between €2200 and €2500 which is higher than my budget of €1600 as my car is on lease for 2years. I don’t want to invest so much on the wheels in case I can’t get good money back on them after end of my leasing
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Well looks like I will be going with Bola FLE with Michelin 4S. Will order next month after I have picked the car up
You going 45 or 48 offset? They’re on my shortlist too
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Well looks like I will be going with Bola FLE with Michelin 4S. Will order next month after I have picked the car up
You going 45 or 48 offset? They’re on my shortlist too
I think I will contact them and see what they recommend as would rather have it that I don’t need spacers
Still deciding on finish
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If some of my commute wasn’t like the Somme I’d definitely be open to getting a set of Brock 38’s when my Chinese pig iron Reifnitz disintegrate.
Nice and OEM styled, OEM compatible fittings and decently light.
I have a set of 18” RC Design RC32’s on my Polo GTI+ (RC Design is a Brock brand). They’re also reasonably light at around 10kg a corner and were a straight swap for the OEM alloys - same size / offset, centre bore of 57.1 so no need for spigot rings, and they use the OEM fittings too. The one negative is the VW centre caps don’t fit so I currently have the RC Design centre caps fitted. I might try and find a set of domed stick on VW emblems, but I don’t mind the RC Design caps.
Available in Ferric Grey, Satin Black or Himalaya Grey with diamond cut face. I went for Ferric Grey as I don’t like diamond cut alloys for the reasons stated in my earlier post in this thread, and I prefer grey alloys to black. I would’ve preferred it if the grey option was a slightly darker grey as IMHO they’re more of a dark sliver, but they hide the dirt well and being a simple design they’re easy to clean.
(https://i.postimg.cc/L4BQtQNz/1-B518689-8143-4809-AA68-22620-D547-C1-B.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/0QLv7Wng/5931-DC87-4067-459-B-8330-09-AEDC7-ACA08.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
the RC-Design RC32 really looks Nice on your Polo they also have it in 19 inches too for the GTI and about €100 cheaper than Brock 38 and i might consider it
(https://i.postimg.cc/fyS0vTfv/Screenshot-2021-05-16-at-17-15-48.png) (https://postimg.cc/xNYCfQ7k)
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The one negative is the VW centre caps don’t fit so I currently have the RC Design centre caps fitted. I might try and find a set of domed stick on VW emblems, but I don’t mind the RC Design caps.
They look great on the car :cool:
It looks like domed stickers may well sit on the caps ok due to the shape of them, worth a punt as they’re quite cheap.
What diameter are the caps?
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The one negative is the VW centre caps don’t fit so I currently have the RC Design centre caps fitted. I might try and find a set of domed stick on VW emblems, but I don’t mind the RC Design caps.
They look great on the car :cool:
It looks like domed stickers may well sit on the caps ok due to the shape of them, worth a punt as they’re quite cheap.
What diameter are the caps?
Thanks Exonian. The centre caps are 60mm diameter.
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Thinking of going for a Edition 45 but don’t like the wheels
Heres few i have looked at that seem more appealing but would need to check the specifics of each to see what would work
(https://i.postimg.cc/rFdVC2W8/18-D264-E3-F612-4-A54-924-A-16-C6-AA203-ABD.png) (https://postimg.cc/qzTH4YjY)
(https://i.postimg.cc/PrBtSVz1/728-A7-AFC-225-E-4-C4-F-BFA6-6762863-B6-B58.png) (https://postimg.cc/JG5VnqFh)
(https://i.postimg.cc/B6Qsjr4f/CCA7-BD03-CFFB-4691-983-A-29-DFE80-BE92-F.png) (https://postimg.cc/t1f8fmsB)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Rh2zbqfv/3825017-B-7715-45-A9-94-AB-29-D9-F0328-B03.png) (https://postimg.cc/zHwMyz0Q)
(https://i.postimg.cc/5NFJQqdy/BE1909-A4-0-DEC-4455-920-D-945362-D44-F9-C.png) (https://postimg.cc/9rVKv9fH)
(https://i.postimg.cc/1R8XMF1h/F67-BB30-D-A548-4-A98-91-F2-DE5-D47-A5-E05-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hhqKtfGp)
(https://i.postimg.cc/05hQ4N96/95-FC01-B3-81-A7-42-CA-987-B-85954-B5771-BB.png) (https://postimg.cc/c6M0g0gZ)
(https://i.postimg.cc/kgm5nh6q/E863-E602-2-FBA-4-A2-D-9-BC2-7-FF08573377-E.png) (https://postimg.cc/qz1rwwx5)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NFXgt1QK/4-E79-BD83-801-A-4-FA9-BD13-1-BB538-D8720-E.png) (https://postimg.cc/CnFyHnB0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/hG4Pmz1Y/548-B6508-F6-A6-425-C-A4-C8-1773-DE3-F1-C9-F.png) (https://postimg.cc/YvVHKSVN)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9ffC03W5/726-A807-F-238-F-4859-8-DFD-F4-C7-C022-A6-EF.png) (https://postimg.cc/5XDZKRYn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y9ZpTXBc/FC5-B47-DA-983-B-43-B6-A1-EB-453700-FEE955.png) (https://postimg.cc/LYkK13sv)
(https://i.postimg.cc/wBWxQqWj/FC603041-72-AD-4-F42-9-F68-202-FE064-F6-BD.png) (https://postimg.cc/1gqZ9Qhk)
(https://i.postimg.cc/1tcHjdqX/A7-EE0-C71-89-E6-432-F-8418-2-DF51-FE4-E66-E.png) (https://postimg.cc/ygxcJvnC)
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I decided to stick to my 18 inches for now as no OEM size wheels except Brock B38 with 8.00x 19 ET50 that fits the GTI in Germany at the moment without any further TÜV inspection but unfortunately there is no deliveries for Brock B38 until about 2 months. so, I started showing love to my Richmond 18s
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I'm in the same position regarding the 45, don't think I can live with those red accents on the wheels.
As it has 19's as standard hopefully there will be some I can just swap out without any problem, don't know if the selection will be better than a CS as that has 18's as standard or if it makes any difference at all.
8J X 19" Scottsdale I'm sure I read somewhere ET50 but can't find it now.
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Well all ordered
Gone for Japan Racing SP01’s in the end from Driftworks
8.5x19 ET45
Will order the tyres at the weekend as Black Circles have 15% off Michelin’s
(https://i.postimg.cc/DZ9MbzX2/B1-EDF1-CB-C921-48-F3-A644-5-EA6-F1-DA0-C11.png) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9Fjkmr2b/E31-BA33-D-8226-4-C5-D-A2-CF-4-AB57-C564-DDD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/z307pDVH)
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Those are pretty neat.
What sort of weight are they?
Driftworks is a name I've not heard in a while.
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Those are pretty neat.
What sort of weight are they?
Driftworks is a name I've not heard in a while.
Has taken a lot of searching.
8.9kg which I am pleased with
Called a few but they where the most helpful
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Those are lovely and light for nineteens!
Good price too.
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Good choice :cool:
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They’re on my shortlist too. Motec are just releasing a similar wheel. Have you confirmed if you can use the standard wheelbolts?
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They’re on my shortlist too. Motec are just releasing a similar wheel. Have you confirmed if you can use the standard wheelbolts?
No have to use different bolts but I don’t mind that
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Ive also trawled the web extensively for wheels. Once you filter out styles you don’t like, or won’t suit, along with designs that are no lighter than stock, and within a budget, you end up with a small pot! I really liked some of the Motec range, but stock is few and far between.
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Hi all, this is my first post. I look forward to reading and posting more over the coming months.
I'm in the same position as the OP of this thread, but without the money for a new set of tyres!
I have a three year lease and my bog standard Pure White CS is arriving on Friday. Like most I hate the Richmonds so I am looking for a set of 18" wheels to replace them. That way I can keep using the supplied tyres. As the tyres will be 225/40/18 I think I'll want 8J wheels with 45ET.
I love the look of TD Pro Race 1.2's in the gunmetal finish. Would appreciate your thoughts or suggestions on alternatives. I'd especially love to see any photos of your 18" set ups.
(https://i.postimg.cc/902tD9H9/Pro-Race.png) (https://postimages.org/)
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Blimey Bill you're about to get a 35/40K car and can't afford the tyres.
What you gonna do if you get a puncture?
I'm not being rude by the way just thinking something sounds odd, a tyre is not even 0.5% the value of the car and you say you can't afford it.
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I'm not talking about saving £150 when I'm spending £40k here Dav3. I'm spending £420 a month and a whole new set of 4 tyres (plus 19" wheels!) is a significant spend. I have anticipated a new set of 18"s (c. £800) as I know I can't stand the Richmonds.
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Sorry if it came as across as rude, no offence was intended.
Enjoy the car should be a cracker whatever shoes its wearing.
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No worries Dav3. :smiley:
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Welcome BillSan.
I have a white base spec Clubsport too and the first thing I did was change the wheels!
I actually don’t hate the standard 18’s but they do sit too far into the arches in my opinion.
I had a set of 18” Pro Race on a mk6 GTI about ten years ago. They were very popular with the mk5 GTI race car brigade and were also fitted to quite a few fast road cars which ran modified brakes as there was plenty of room for bigger callipers behind the spokes.
In my eyes the nicest looking lightweight aftermarket 18” wheel is the Borbet FF1. High quality and OEM looks from an OEM supplier.
In your shoes I’d actually check out CM Wheels who do a range of replica VW style wheels that are of reasonable quality and go down either 18” Reifnitz, Estoril or Pretoria wheels route in 8x18 ET45.
I thank you and good night :smiley:
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Thanks Exonian. Those Borbets that you've suggested are very nice looking wheels and just the kind of look I want. I think I'll need: 8 x 18" • 5x112 • ET45 to fit the original tyres but would be grateful if someone could confirm.
I promise I'll post up a pic when I get my new wheels on!
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After much deliberation I order std 18 Richmonds yesterday, white with winter pack. I test drove on 18s with no DCC and it was great.
I’ll see how I get on with std wheels but likely a £480 order of some cm wheels will follow. Convince me I’m wrong, I’ve got until tomorrow morning to amend the order. I’m really not keen on 19s with potholes here (mrs actually cracked a 19 on an old car we had)
I think the cm wheels option gives best of both worlds, I can chose an alternative 18, cheaper than oem, cheaper tyres and from what I’ve read the Richmonds are lighter than the 19” options. Can only be a good thing to keep the car agile and alive.
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Welcome carbon :smiley:
My thinking is always that at least the CM Wheels alloys are fairly cheap to replace if one does actually get wiped out by a pothole. Plus they’re a better offset and can reuse OEM bolts and covers. :afro:
BillSan, yes, those are the correct dimensions you’ll need.
You can often get them in the correct centre bore for VW’s too (57.1mm) so won’t have to use spigot rings.
Another plus is the VW bolt covers fit ok over the (supplied) bolts which is rare with aftermarket wheels.
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Thanks again Exonian.
I'm now in two minds as the 18" CM Wheels Pretoria's look good but won't really make the car stand out.
Oh well whereas something like the Borbets you recommended look a bit more special.
Are CM wheels TUV approved/good quality? Only asking that as they appear significantly cheaper than other 18"s.
I'll make a decision one way or another in the next month and post up pics to let you see which way I've gone.
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The CM Wheels Pretorias are Chinese made replicas hence cheapness.
They don’t carry TüV approval (they’d cost a lot more if they did!) but are stamped JWL on the back which is a Japanese wheel quality and safety standard. Whether the wheels have actually been through those tests is anyone’s guess!
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That's what I thought. Will need to shop around a bit more before I decide. Cheers Exonian.
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It’s a big purchase so not something to be rushed into.
This site has a huge choice and a configurator to get an idea of “on car” looks: https://www.felgenoutlet.com/en/
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I stumbled across that site yesterday and I agree that it is one of the best. Wheel weight is another thing to consider but that's not easy to find on most sites. It's another thing that's putting me off the cheaper wheels.
Decisions, decisions! 🤔
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Weights are hard to get info for. I wanted to ideally save weight over the VW 19s, but wasn’t essential. Some of the current ‘scene’ wheels are heavy simply down to the style.
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I stumbled across that site yesterday and I agree that it is one of the best. Wheel weight is another thing to consider but that's not easy to find on most sites. It's another thing that's putting me off the cheaper wheels.
Decisions, decisions! 🤔
To be honest, at £480 a set I'd consider them nearly disposable. As long as they're safe, it would keep the OEMs tucked up under covers in the garage for resale.
I'd be keen to know the weight of their 18" wheels vs Richmond's
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Adelaides are 12.6kg each.... thats nuts.
However, to get lighter is expensive... I'm certain it would benefit the car but at a price.
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Adelaides are 12.6kg each.... thats nuts.
However, to get lighter is expensive... I'm certain it would benefit the car but at a price.
You can drop over 3kg a corner for less than a grand all in. There are some well priced wheels about
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Are CM Wheels road legal then? Are there any kite mark type rules on this kind of thing?
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Are CM Wheels road legal then? Are there any kite mark type rules on this kind of thing?
No there isn't.
TUV would be a reasonable starting point, but its not a requirement in the UK.
You also have to question whether some items originating from a certain large Asian land mass aren't just stamped with whatever anyway.
Someone I once knew who made bike exhausts used to offer to stamp them with a BS kit mark for example.... saved a lot of bother from a pull.... but...
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As carbon says, the CM reps are cheap enough to not be overly worried if one gets a bit bent by a pothole. They don’t seem to fare any worse than OEM wheels from what I’ve read.
As for road legal, I’m not sure what the regulations are but CM Wheels sell enough of the things!
The sole reason I bought a set was the state of the roads this past winter and me not wanting to risk an expensive set of OEM wheels.
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As carbon says, the CM reps are cheap enough to not be overly worried if one gets a bit bent by a pothole. They don’t seem to fare any worse than OEM wheels from what I’ve read.
As for road legal, I’m not sure what the regulations are but CM Wheels sell enough of the things!
The sole reason I bought a set was the state of the roads this past winter and me not wanting to risk an expensive set of OEM wheels.
What Cm did you put on and what size? Any pics on the white?
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19” Reifnitz in grey
(https://i.postimg.cc/Vv1bLnZ1/45-E4-DABE-7-F5-D-40-A6-A4-A2-61-A8-DB7-EE784.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JD6hpDWd)
(https://i.postimg.cc/XJ9CbQ8Q/A94-C88-A5-0-F4-A-434-F-A6-B7-95-AD46154720.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XG7JKKtC)
Crap pics and filthy car taken back in April
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Maybe that’s a bit clearer, I’m not one for taking many car photos
(https://i.postimg.cc/ht746hM0/92-ADA36-E-0-CBD-47-CD-A21-C-2230-E7875208.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/75wyTHFC)
(https://i.postimg.cc/TYsYtnjw/D9-D7528-D-C8-A1-450-B-A735-59-B15-D605750.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RNcBF6D5)
(https://i.postimg.cc/W4LpvjHc/E69-ED5-F2-E263-4561-B684-956-B807-C27-D6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SndbL04g)
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Very nice Exonian....and nothing wrong with your photography at all.
Whatever style I go for I think grey is the colour for me and your pics have helped make my mind up. :smiley:
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I'd welcome your thoughts on these everyone. Especially the fit as they are ET42 (rather than the ET45 I was thinking) but I'd still go for 18" and 8J.
(https://i.postimg.cc/q73zBvCh/Veeman-FS23-Alloys.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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I'd welcome your thoughts on these everyone. Especially the fit as they are ET42 (rather than the ET45 I was thinking) but I'd still go for 18" and 8J.
(https://i.postimg.cc/q73zBvCh/Veeman-FS23-Alloys.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Based upon Richmonds being 7.5 and ET51 and those being 8 ET 42
(https://i.postimg.cc/wBvF1tdG/ricmond-vs-18x8x-ET42.png) (https://postimg.cc/Yv5QVC06)
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Comparing the above vs the CM Wheels 18" pretoria which is a 8 ET45
(https://i.postimg.cc/jd2jkttr/ricmond-vs-18x8x-ET45.png) (https://postimg.cc/mtxRPxPd)
Using the link ; https://www.willtheyfit.com/
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Thanks Carbon.
The inner rim is more or less in the same place and the outer rim 1.5cm further out than the Richmonds sounds OK doesn't it?
I'd assume so, considering that some folks are going for 19" and 8.5J.
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8x18 ET42 will fit fine.
Personally I wouldn’t fancy 8.5” wide on the mk8 as the arches don’t look as accommodating as on the mk7. I might be wrong but…
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My car is due for delivery in a couple of days and then it's make your mind up time for me. Thanks again Exonian. 🙂
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8x18 ET42 will fit fine.
Personally I wouldn’t fancy 8.5” wide on the mk8 as the arches don’t look as accommodating as on the mk7. I might be wrong but…
Was slightly concerned, but as you saw in my photos, there’s plenty of room, certainly at std ride height. The ride is harder over the richmonds, but only really noticeable on bad roads
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thats a 19" 8.5J +47, it almost rubs the strut's dust boot without tire mounted :sad:
(https://i.postimg.cc/90X621zJ/IMG-5803.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sQ869YYh)
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anyone spec DCC on a car with 18s? It felt great on test drive without but may future proof things if i ever change to 19s down the line and may improve resale value, opinions? Is this a waste of £780?
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anyone spec DCC on a car with 18s? It felt great on test drive without but may future proof things if i ever change to 19s down the line and may improve resale value, opinions? Is this a waste of £780?
Specced 19’s but added dcc even though I’m not certain it’s needed after testing one with 18’s and one with 19’s. Both drove well without.
Added it since every reviewer goes on about it so will be a desirable option to second hand buyers and also in the hope it does make the car more comfortable when in the comfort settings. It will be a must have for anybody thinking of doing track days because it will certainly make it stiffer in the harder settings. Doubt mine will ever see a track over the course of my ownership.
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Quick question, did anyone ever weigh the Richmond wheels, i cant find anything in a search but seem to remember someone saying about 10kg.
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Quick question, did anyone ever weigh the Richmond wheels, i cant find anything in a search but seem to remember someone saying about 10kg.
They weigh an unbelievable 11.6kg each! Think they’re cast lead
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Lighter than Adelaides though?
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Lighter than Adelaides though?
Yes by a kilo a corner....
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https://www.original-felgen.com/5h0601025hfzz.html
Some suggesting 9.3kg? Are they forged does anyone know? Seems unlikely but then again the old Belvedere were mega light.
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https://www.onlyrevo.com/blog/volkswagen-golf-mk8-gti-revo-performance-upgrades/
Picture half way down on the scales
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https://www.onlyrevo.com/blog/volkswagen-golf-mk8-gti-revo-performance-upgrades/
Picture half way down on the scales
Awesome - https://www.onlyrevo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/DSC01143-3-640x800.jpg
So definitive answer, 11.6kg
Thanks
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19” Reifnitz in grey
(https://i.postimg.cc/Vv1bLnZ1/45-E4-DABE-7-F5-D-40-A6-A4-A2-61-A8-DB7-EE784.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JD6hpDWd)
(https://i.postimg.cc/XJ9CbQ8Q/A94-C88-A5-0-F4-A-434-F-A6-B7-95-AD46154720.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XG7JKKtC)
Crap pics and filthy car taken back in April
Those are the nicest alloys I've seen on the Mk8 to date, was down looking at a clubsport yesterday on the 18in Richmonds and just looked mismatched with the massive discs and calipers against the 18's.
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Personally I really like the BBS XR not that light but 600g per corner lighter than the richmonds.
Good nod back to the mk2s of yesteryear. Think this is where my cash I’ll save on the order delay will be going.
Post stolen from Instagram
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19” Reifnitz in grey
Those are the nicest alloys I've seen on the Mk8 to date, was down looking at a clubsport yesterday on the 18in Richmonds and just looked mismatched with the massive discs and calipers against the 18's.
Why thank you. :smiley:
I’m sure I fall foul of the “shouldn’t have previous gen wheels on a current car” police but it’s a rare wheel that only came in for the last year of 7.5 production so not overdone and very subtle in the flesh.
Doesn’t look as smart as your 7.5 on Prets though! :drool: aside from arguably maybe the mk1 Campain c/w Pirelli P Slots or mk2 Wolfsburg Edition with BBS splitties I don’t think there’s a visually better Golf and wheel combo as a 7.5 GTI/TCR (or maybe Ed40 too) with Pretorias.
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Just found these in the official brochure:
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners-and-drivers/accessories-and-merchandise/accessories/5K0071498AAX1/18-motorsport-alloy-wheel-black-machine-gloss
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SRGTD had those on his Polo albeit different fitment and colour and I had the same design on my Golf R back in 2015, they are ATS race wheels copies that were used on the Scirocco Cup cars.
(https://i.postimg.cc/W1rRQTdz/6-D3-EEC3-E-DE88-4335-B4-A6-4-F0977-F759-C3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/189YFxc1)
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Just found these in the official brochure:
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners-and-drivers/accessories-and-merchandise/accessories/5K0071498AAX1/18-motorsport-alloy-wheel-black-machine-gloss
SRGTD had those on his Polo albeit different fitment and colour and I had the same design on my Golf R back in 2015, they are ATS race wheels copies that were used on the Scirocco Cup cars.
@Exonian; you beat me to it! Yes, I did have I have the 17” Polo version in anthracite fitted to my previous Polo GTI. They’re a nice wheel IMO and easy to clean.
However, under ‘model availability’ at the link posted by @carbon337, for the Golf it only includes cars from years 2004 to 2012, which would be the mk5 and mk6 Golf. Maybe the load limit of the 18” alloys is less than the axle weight of the mk7/mk7.5 and mk8 Golf meaning they might not be able to safely support the weight of a mk7/mk7.5 or mk8. Or maybe another error in VW product material - surely not……..:whistle:
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Ah ok I’ll the search continues for something similar. Thanks
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Ah ok I’ll the search continues for something similar. Thanks
If you wanted to stick with VW alloys have you considered VW Rotary alloys? They’re similar to the Motorsports in style (more spokes on the Rotary’s) but are only available in Anthracite Grey. According to the details at the link below, they are compatible with the mk8 Golf.
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners-and-drivers/accessories-and-merchandise/accessories/5G007149816Z/18-rotary-alloy-wheel-anthracite
I had the Rotary alloys on my mk6 Golf GTD;
(https://i.postimg.cc/Ss1Kn0vZ/7-C000-A29-777-A-4-A3-B-945-C-BA84-BD62-C113.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Have I read that right? £385 per wheel!? :shocked:
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Have I read that right? £385 per wheel!? :shocked:
That’s the fully fitted price.
The ‘supply only’ price should be cheaper (VW used to show both prices on the website) and looking at those alloys on VW’s website where they quote both fitted and unfitted prices, the difference is about £30-£35 per wheel. Don’t pay VW’s hourly labour rates to fit new wheels; take them to the tyre place of your choice and get them to swap the wheels over when you get tyres fitted.
Also, always ask the VW dealer for a discount on parts and accessories. 10% is usually available, but if you don’t ask, you don’t get and it’s definitely worth having on more expensive parts / accessories.
So to supply only with discount would reduce the price to around £315 per wheel. Having said that, from memory, I paid around £225 - £230 per wheel (supply only and after discount) back in 2014, so VW have put the price up quite a lot over the last few years.
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I've finally bought wheels to replace the dreadful Richmonds, and am hoping to get them fitted tomorrow. As I've promised, I'll post up pics once they are on.
I'm usually guilty of 'inaction by procrastination' and have tried to research the issue of new alloys on a Mk8 Clubsport as thoroughly as I can. I'm still not an expert by any means and I certainly wouldn't have got this far without reading your contributions in this forum.
I knew absolutely nothing about wheels (apart from the fact that they come in different sizes and widths!) before I started so I've decided to post up my thoughts in the hope that somebody else will find them interesting and/or helpful.
Firstly, as my car is on a 12k mpa 3 year hire with no option to buy, I decided that I'd buy 18" wheels so I can reuse the original tyres (225/18/40 Bridgestone S005's) and not have to fork out £500 or more on a new set. That was a good start so I moved onto wheel widths. The Richmonds are 7.5J but I wanted to fill the arch a little more, hence decided on 8J. I know others have gone for 8.5J with no problem running 225 tyres, but I'm a bit cautious and wanted to keep close to VW's specs. After all they have spent billions developing the Mk8 and should know what they are doing (apart from software!) right?
So still lots of choices to be made; the next being wheel colour. I'm not a fan of black wheels as I think the design gets lost on dark days and to me it can look like a dark hole with no wheel at all. I was fairly set on graphite/gun metal/mid-grey and seeing Exonian's Gun metal Reifnitz alloys helped confirm that choice.
I then looked at felgenoutlet's website to see what wheels they had as compatible with the Mk8 Clubsport and the website even mocked up images of some of their wheels on the car. That was good to see but didn't really help as they don't supply to the UK post-Brexit. After looking at CM wheels 18" choices I thought I settled on Pretoria as a safe choice but continued looking elsewhere. Their Veemann FS-23's also looked good and would have made my car a bit more individual so they became favourites. However whilst CM's own wheels are cheap they are not TUV certified and with my aforementioned caution I was prepared to pay a bit more for that. Wheel weight was another issue as I suspect that CM's wheels will weigh more than other 18's and as Richmonds weigh 11.6kg and I think Adelaides weigh 12kg+ I wanted to get the lightest wheels I that could within my other constraints.
Anyway all this has let to me buying the wheels that I now have - I'll post up pics ASAP and let you know what they are shortly, but if you think along the lines of BBS XR, that's the right look.
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your post is pretty much my own thoughts too.
Ive swung from BBS XR to BBS SR, I want to recreate this Mk2 as close as possible in a modern twist.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zGzTmYcF/226864516-345847423805746-7181900849583384731-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8jY7W9D7)
(https://i.postimg.cc/zGWzzyHC/productlarge-8736-600-1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Ive also looked at CM options but not convinced, OZ ultraleggera are tasty but expensive. Wheelforce SL1 again are nice and have a BBS look about them like the mk2 above but again expensive.
The RC Design RC32 is nice and not too expensive and the JR Racing JR30 look good on this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/Ghv3rByk/mk8-golf-gti-clubsport-with-jr-racing-jr30-aftermarket-wheels-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YhqBzC89)
So im still torn but looking forward to seeing your choice BillSan
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I had a white mk2 GTI like that about 30 years ago :cool:
Mind you, mine still had the correct black sill covers and matt black side stripe and different wheels.
Be careful of offsets rather than just width when considering wheels. I think VW streamlined the rear of the car a bit when they changed it from a Mk7 so it won’t be so easy to get low offset wheels under the rear arches.
If going 18” diameter then I’d advise sticking to 8” width and ET higher than 40.
As you were troops.
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My new wheels are 18x8 with a 42 offset Exonian. Your advice is valued as ever, and I should be able to tell you more on how much space is available tomorrow when mine are on. Happy to answer questions and just hope I have answers.
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ET42 with a 225 tyre should be absolutely perfect. Not far off flush yet still no danger of catching :afro:
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8" and ET42 looks to be perfect, just 3mm more out than the ET45
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTR4R94H/ricmond-vs-18x8x-ET42.png) (https://postimg.cc/3y6Tn5GL)
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Better late than never.... here are my new wheels as switched today.
(https://i.postimg.cc/gkJzt9hh/Pic-0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/t7KG7M2R)
They are 'Team Dynamics Motorsport Pro Y Spoke Alloy Wheels In Matt Gunmetal' in size 18x8 ET42. and I'm really pleased with how they look and they really do give the car a better stance, filling the arches much better than I expected.
They weigh 10.5kg according to Team Dynamics and I have weighed them myself, albeit on non-digital scales, to confirm that.
I polished them yesterday with Poorboys wheel sealant, although I have no clue on how effective it is, but as the wheels were new in boxes and spotless it just seemed the ideal opportunity to try it.
I should have mentioned that I don't like 'sided' i.e. non-symmetrical wheels which is why another reason for this choice.
I've ordered some VW vinyl stickers for my wheel centres and a new set of locking nuts to complete the job. I'll be able to use the black plastic OEM wheel nut covers to keep the clean look.
Anyway here are a few more pics where hopefully you'll be able to see the difference between the old and the new.
(https://i.postimg.cc/YCv1Hy5G/Pic-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PCkLbKrT)
(https://i.postimg.cc/wvQN2KmP/Pic-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gXrrcT4q)
(https://i.postimg.cc/YCTQqz7X/Pic-3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/18c8v6f6)
(https://i.postimg.cc/rpWxdRFq/Pic-4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JyrGvnkF)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NMcTRG5m/Pic-5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wtw7pp5j)
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Better late than never.... here are my new wheels as switched today.
(https://i.postimg.cc/gkJzt9hh/Pic-0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/t7KG7M2R)
They are 'Team Dynamics Motorsport Pro Y Spoke Alloy Wheels In Matt Gunmetal' in size 18x8 ET42. and I'm really pleased with how they look and they really do give the car a better stance, filling the arches much better than I expected.
They weigh 10.5kg according to Team Dynamics and I have weighed them myself, albeit on non-digital scales, to confirm that.
I polished them yesterday with Poorboys wheel sealant, although I have no clue on how effective it is, but as the wheels were new in boxes and spotless it just seemed the ideal opportunity to try it.
I should have mentioned that I don't like 'sided' i.e. non-symmetrical wheels which is why another reason for this choice.
I've ordered some VW vinyl stickers for my wheel centres and a new set of locking nuts to complete the job. I'll be able to use the black plastic OEM wheel nut covers to keep the clean look.
Good choice :cool:, and IMO so much nicer than the factory Richmonds. Gunmetal / anthracite alloys on a Pure White car is a good combination.
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Better late than never.... here are my new wheels as switched today.
(https://i.postimg.cc/gkJzt9hh/Pic-0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/t7KG7M2R)
They are 'Team Dynamics Motorsport Pro Y Spoke Alloy Wheels In Matt Gunmetal' in size 18x8 ET42. and I'm really pleased with how they look and they really do give the car a better stance, filling the arches much better than I expected.
They weigh 10.5kg according to Team Dynamics and I have weighed them myself, albeit on non-digital scales, to confirm that.
I polished them yesterday with Poorboys wheel sealant, although I have no clue on how effective it is, but as the wheels were new in boxes and spotless it just seemed the ideal opportunity to try it.
I should have mentioned that I don't like 'sided' i.e. non-symmetrical wheels which is why another reason for this choice.
I've ordered some VW vinyl stickers for my wheel centres and a new set of locking nuts to complete the job. I'll be able to use the black plastic OEM wheel nut covers to keep the clean look.
Anyway here are a few more pics where hopefully you'll be able to see the difference between the old and the new.
(https://i.postimg.cc/YCv1Hy5G/Pic-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PCkLbKrT)
(https://i.postimg.cc/wvQN2KmP/Pic-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gXrrcT4q)
(https://i.postimg.cc/YCTQqz7X/Pic-3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/18c8v6f6)
(https://i.postimg.cc/rpWxdRFq/Pic-4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JyrGvnkF)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NMcTRG5m/Pic-5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wtw7pp5j)
Really like them, they look good. I like how they are 18s but look bigger.
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Oh they fit the gti heritage so well. They instantly look very ‘Edition 30’ to me. A great choice.
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They look mega, great choice.
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Thanks everyone.
I'm really pleased with them as it would be an expensive mistake to buy wheels you didn't like. If I don't buy another (higher spec) Clubby in 3 years time these wheels will be back here in the sales section.
Until then I absolutely love them.👍
(https://i.postimg.cc/vTZqZYsL/20210812-122539.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZBXFfh0C)
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They look superb BillSan, great choice :cool:
As Boothy said, they look bigger than 18 and fill the arches nicely giving the car an instantly much tougher look.
I agree with king monkey there too, a good nod to the Ed30 and adds that classic motorsport look to make the car a bit more pukka Clubsport.
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Playing with the brilliant felgenoutlet visualiser but unfortunatley they dont have all the wheels available...
These look interesting
Keskin K20
(https://i.postimg.cc/4Nd2mtnC/keskin-k20.png) (https://postimg.cc/PNgQ7CmK)
(https://i.postimg.cc/SKJz9SCx/keskin-k20-painted-paladium.png) (https://postimg.cc/1g1thZvk)
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Not my cup of tea I’m afraid but it’s good that not everybody likes the same thing.
Your significant other would soon get annoyed with your need to borrow their toothbrush every week to clean them too.
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They would certainly make your car stand out Carbon.
They must be 19" so you'll need to consider that and find a UK supplier. For such an intricate wheel I'd definitely go for the silver as the detail on the black will get lost.
Finally Exonian's point about the toothbrush needs considering. You don't want to spend hours every weekend cleaning them!
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No they were 18, 19 or 20. Still plenty of time to decide with these delays.
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SRGTD had those on his Polo albeit different fitment and colour and I had the same design on my Golf R back in 2015, they are ATS race wheels copies that were used on the Scirocco Cup cars.
I had these on my 7R too, they were great wheels and would love them on my CS.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4xYVRT0K/DB04-AA1-E-FEED-4592-8-B27-B607-B0-E59760.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JsWGjSMm)
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Not sure where I could get them, any ideas. I can’t find them on latest version website
Edit; probs stick to the rotary model listed a few pages back. I’ll ask the salesman what he can do, maybe a substantial discount.
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Nice backdrop Megy! :cool:
Seems that the 19” versions aren’t made anymore but you can still get the 18’s from VW
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners-and-drivers/accessories-and-merchandise/accessories/5K0071498AAX1/18-motorsport-alloy-wheel-black-machine-gloss
Can’t see the pukka ATS versions in their catalogue now either.
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Not sure where I could get them, any ideas. I can’t find them on latest version website
Edit; probs stick to the rotary model listed a few pages back. I’ll ask the salesman what he can do, maybe a substantial discount.
Are these the wheels?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/193870323768?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160727114228%26meid%3D04e5f2e0838b4ead8de91c4ea91fe938%26pid%3D100290%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D193870323768%26itm%3D193870323768%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2060778&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507
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Look like the Rotary not the Motorsport. Theyre also only 7.5" and ET51 like the standard Richmonds, they sit too far in.
Wonder if anyone ever tried to space the standard wheels out a bit, i think it could look decent, id try it if I had a car delivered :(
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Just cant beat the prets on a Golf for me
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I've just placed an order for some Revo 19" in mat bronze should be with me in 7-14 days , probably going with the Goodyear eagle F1's
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I've just placed an order for some Revo 19" in mat bronze should be with me in 7-14 days , probably going with the Goodyear eagle F1's
I look forward to seeing those. Bronze is a brave choice, what colour is your car?
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It’s white , I don’t think it’s a brave choice. I think the car will fantastic with bronze alloys . Only time will tell
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Indeed it will. I look forward to seeing it.....and I applaud your decision not to go with gloss black!
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It’s white , I don’t think it’s a brave choice. I think the car will fantastic with bronze alloys . Only time will tell
(https://i.postimg.cc/x1jZMJw4/FA681-F46-98-F0-4-D60-8313-AC8-F4590921-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2VJTf68Q)
It does looks good 😊
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My wheel hunting continues, latest idea is 18" Audi Speedlines, opinions? Is this cool or not cool?
Still really fancy the idea of a retro inspired mk8 with a touch of OEM, more than a motorsport inspired car with OZ's or Team Dynamics.
(https://i.postimg.cc/C13vx0mR/speedline.png) (https://postimages.org/)
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These wheels in my book look great, but thats only half the story, its the right height that makes it look spot on if not slightly low. I dont mind the red centre caps, but when it boils down to it its your car. :smiley:
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Cheers banny, I thought the wheels would look great on my car . Still waiting for my wheels hopefully they’ll turn up soon
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i was looking for the new Enkei T6R 18x8 +45
(https://i.postimg.cc/c1mps03T/10737-large.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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I like the colour Vasilis.
A quick google search suggests they weigh in at 29lbs which is 13kg. Seem quite heavy but I don't know if that is going to bother you. If not, then it's all good.
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Well the wheels turned up this morning , I'm very impressed
(https://i.postimg.cc/593nSrCn/PXL-20210908-121247159.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kD2Qnfwb)
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Well the wheels turned up this morning , I'm very impressed
I like those a lot :cool:.
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Very nice P_Disley!
I like the multi spoke design - classic and not too fussy. Are they 8J or 8.5?
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BillSan 8.5 !
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Good choice! The REVO wheels look great on the Mk8 :cool:
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Those are very very nice indeed. Possibly the best I’ve seen on a CS.
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Mounted them on my car since i had them for months lying around
19x8.5 +47
(https://i.postimg.cc/5Nmcw8QZ/IMG-6489.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PPNFHp44)
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Looks :cool: vasilis :afro:
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My wheels are for sale if anyone is interested
https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=288159.msg2644185#msg2644185
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(https://i.postimg.cc/5Nj0QsGd/A1-F6-C90-B-6-FAE-4294-87-D2-1-AF87-D4-E6-A56.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gnFdfHmN)
Car goes back in April, so I’ve just swapped wheels back to original Richmonds and the Genuine OEM Brescia wheels / Dunlop tyres will soon go up for sale.
Any thoughts on what these are going for in current market? Prices seem all over the place.
Mint condition and only covered 6.5k miles.
Centre caps included
Tyres are what they came on originally: Dunlop Sport Maxx RT2 225/35ZR19 (88Y)
Tread depth:
Front driver side: 6.5mm
Rear driver side: 7mm
Front passenger side: 6.5mm
Rear passenger side: 7mm
I’d chuck in wheel storage bags as well.
Thanks in advance for any guide!
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You can expect Adelaide's, Estoril's or for that matter 19 inch Pretoria's sourced through VW to cost mega money. Certainly well over £2k per set without tyres.
If that's a bit too rich then there are some alternatives;-
Some have chosen 19 inch Brescia's from the Mk7 / 7.5 as they're a much more affordable OEM Golf wheel.
Pretoria's from the Passat have also been available recently for sensible money. However they're heavier than the Golf version and a different shade unless you go for the black ones. They're also a different offset.
Genuine VW Pret's are also available in 18 inch for around £1k. They come in 4 (I think) different colours and this would save you from buying tyres.
Aftermarket reps are available for much less money but they will vary in quality. The main issues will be weight, structural integrity and durability of the finish. CM Wheels though do seem to be well thought of by those that have tried them.
Brescia would be my choice look stunning on a mk8😎
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Brescia would be my choice look stunning on a mk8😎
A good choice too. Quite fond of the Brescias myself and seem to suit the Mk8 quite well.
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Brescia’s look great, only the ridiculous weight put me off
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Plus they sit too far into the arches :whistle:
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Plus they sit too far into the arches :whistle:
Think they look spot on and nothing a spacer wouldn't sort what's the offset difference then?
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Plus they sit too far into the arches :whistle:
Think they look spot on and nothing a spacer wouldn't sort what's the offset difference then?
IIRC there is only something like 1mm difference in offset, but genuine Mk8 19 inch wheels (Adelaides & Estorils) are half an inch wider than Brescias.
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Spot on Guzzle
Spacers are an option yes, but many owners won’t want to use them and some insurers don’t cover them.
I used to use spacers on a mk7 until my insurers told me they wouldn’t renew with them fitted and other insurers took the same line at the time. Maybe it’s different again now.
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Brescia’s look great, only the ridiculous weight put me off
Plus they sit too far into the arches :whistle:
They’re OK if you like bling, but diamond cut alloys aren’t for me; I’m not a fan of the white worm corrosion look that many diamond cut alloys succumb to when 2-3 years old (sometimes sooner) if they’re on a car that’s used as a daily driver. Winter road conditions and diamond cut alloys isn’t a good combination IMHO.
It’s good we don’t all like the same things though :smiley:.
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Any thoughts on value folks ? £1200? £1000?
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Any thoughts on value folks ? £1200? £1000?
Have you had them from new, have they ever been refurbished?
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Any thoughts on value folks ? £1200? £1000?
Why not try £1200? You see some tat sold on eBay for £600 - 800+ with not the best tyres, so a good advert with detailed photos for a set of very desirable genuine VW wheels ought to bring in a decent but fair price.
A set of new tyres and you’re looking at £500+ so £700 for a mint set of VW 19’s with bags and centres surely isn’t too unreasonable.
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Have you individual pictures of the wheels showing the condition of them
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Thx
Yes, had them from brand new, purchased and fitted from Marshall VW Tunbridge Wells May 2021 (used to be called Motorline VW). Never refurbed.
I'll get some pics up at the weekend after cleaning...was really just looking for some opinion on price for a clean set with useable tyres as there does seem to be both tatty and optimistic examples on eBay....e.g.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304464699957?epid=7030395681&hash=item46e382a235:g:RB0AAOSwk1Bgv31c&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoCJYOIdMl4RfNt%2BPQSJ6IC1brbj2%2BE5w0%2FiERLtc54StEa82GFAVSEopfqZpW3iAc3bg27mIVZVZGQdn7%2FxElHI%2BU0y6B6BZ5w%2FtMzp%2BWZaQI24hHrOTbuW4Wd53ibVc1ANxDS%2FvNd1tjiOJdKjUyEL6uSy%2FBFG7qYxFLNUH0xurn8NB8uVy4hTegNnfB%2BTYnFe2zZ72yQ%2BMSnxJbZ27l2I%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7SAlKC0YQ (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304464699957?epid=7030395681&hash=item46e382a235:g:RB0AAOSwk1Bgv31c&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoCJYOIdMl4RfNt%2BPQSJ6IC1brbj2%2BE5w0%2FiERLtc54StEa82GFAVSEopfqZpW3iAc3bg27mIVZVZGQdn7%2FxElHI%2BU0y6B6BZ5w%2FtMzp%2BWZaQI24hHrOTbuW4Wd53ibVc1ANxDS%2FvNd1tjiOJdKjUyEL6uSy%2FBFG7qYxFLNUH0xurn8NB8uVy4hTegNnfB%2BTYnFe2zZ72yQ%2BMSnxJbZ27l2I%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7SAlKC0YQ)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185728413914?epid=7030395681&hash=item2b3e46b0da:g:I-0AAOSw6rpjScJ5&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoORaNtMQ%2FuCd6viBw3O5srRk9HfHNrwEYw2sutvN1AXh3Ur0KVRoKsV4Xcq1BABu%2B0j9AwzNMeMk4RKfQ9VI0ZBVyRNPWKz9VY5MAKcTqJR6fbd5YO4aIto6Czm%2BJ9hTC3cPrZ8sX7307rnvkjagOI5XSiRuQynVwmgXuaBbbtpzQ1SOXBhH6xlUzyYi0ZY1N%2FGlY%2FYpA0n%2FXWtfC%2FBR2%2Fs%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-DGpqC0YQ
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Prices are always all over the place and sometimes single wheels sell better than sets. I would say the absolute minimun value would be £1,000. Are you prepared to ship them because it depends whether anyone is looking in your area?