Is the hot hatch dead?

[fredgroves]

My guess... the last of the ICE cars, particularly something like a 8.5 R will hold their value as we plunge into the abyss of the ICE ban.

I'd say an end of era ICE car will REALLY hold its value for a good few years once 2030 hits...

Until either its a tatty nail or they start on the next phase of the Co2 war by raising petrol prices rapidly to make you quit...and they definitely will. It won't be that you can't obtain petrol, it will just mean you can't afford it.

[Yusee]

I have followed the ICE discussions with interest over the last few years and have acquired a small collection of enjoyable, engaging everyday transport vehicles - 2 hot hatches and 2 motorbikes- in anticipation of the end of ICE.

I’ve got a slight suspicion that things will move more slowly than expected.

The ban( on new vehicles) has already moved to 2035, I wouldn’t be surprised if this moves further.

My hope is that, the hot hatch will make a resurgence- as it did in the 90s after insurance companies killed it.

[davo245]

I have followed the ICE discussions with interest over the last few years and have acquired a small collection of enjoyable, engaging everyday transport vehicles - 2 hot hatches and 2 motorbikes- in anticipation of the end of ICE.

I’ve got a slight suspicion that things will move more slowly than expected.

The ban( on new vehicles) has already moved to 2035, I wouldn’t be surprised if this moves further.

My hope is that, the hot hatch will make a resurgence- as it did in the 90s after insurance companies killed it.

insurance premiums and thefts are certainly going the way they did in the 90's unfortunately.

[P6GTD]

Ah yes, the 90s when my Astra GTE was broken into 3 times, an attempt to take it off my drive overnight and attempted break in in Glasgow city centre at 3 o clock in the afternoon.
One successful break in was in Milton Keynes at lunchtime in an indoor car park. They managed to bend the steering column while trying break the steering lock.
The good old days…

[madstaff]

Ah yes, the 90s when my Astra GTE was broken into 3 times, an attempt to take it off my drive overnight and attempted break in in Glasgow city centre at 3 o clock in the afternoon.
One successful break in was in Milton Keynes at lunchtime in an indoor car park. They managed to bend the steering column while trying break the steering lock.
The good old days…

My Astra GTE was broken into a few times too, always expecting it to have been when i got back to it.

Eventually someone nicked it one night, in fact they'd nicked a Maestro in Derby town centre and driven out to a village on the ouskirts of Derby and thought theyd trade up and left me the Maestro.

I only knew my GTE was missing when the police knocked on the door enquiring who's the Maestro was parked on the road still running!!

Got it back a couple of days later, broken steering lock and just looking a bit second hand.

[Yusee]

I have followed the ICE discussions with interest over the last few years and have acquired a small collection of enjoyable, engaging everyday transport vehicles - 2 hot hatches and 2 motorbikes- in anticipation of the end of ICE.

I’ve got a slight suspicion that things will move more slowly than expected.

The ban( on new vehicles) has already moved to 2035, I wouldn’t be surprised if this moves further.

My hope is that, the hot hatch will make a resurgence- as it did in the 90s after insurance companies killed it.

insurance premiums and thefts are certainly going the way they did in the 90's unfortunately.

Yes, and when conditions improved, they made a comeback.
Perhaps it’s wishful thinking, but if the market and infrastructure isn’t ready for electric, and might not be for 20 years, then perhaps ice and electric can coexist for some time.
The interesting thing for me is “ how long will this all take ?”

[Yusee]

My first 205 was nearly stolen in 1997 by joyriders- they couldn’t get round the immobiliser and left it.

Had an alfa 164 stolen a couple of years later.

I’ve noticed the good old stoplock seems to have made a resurgence recently- seen lots of these fitted.