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Offline Yusee

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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #10 on: 17 July 2022, 22:58 »
Why change it if you love it and can’t find a better car for your use?

Swap it if you need something different or fancy something different.

Otherwise, keep it.
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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #11 on: 18 July 2022, 00:05 »
If I were to swap I'd probably go and look at a … [insert all sorts of different things]  before probably ending up with another Golf.

That, in a nutshell, sums up my entire adult life.



Right. Down to business.

The 7.5 GTI (especially the Performance model) is pretty much the perfect GTI.
But for many decades the standard GTI was a hugely competent base for enthusiasts to add a little more to.

It’s easy to modify the GTI, it always has been, but it’s nice when the factory builds cars that have that extra bit of power, style and even handling fully warranted as a different model in the lineup.
The TCR was the epitome of that in the mk7. Yes, the Ed40 was a bit more special in that unfathomable enthusiast hierarchy but the TCR was actually a better, brawnier car. Been there and owned both. The Ed40 steals the emotion, the TCR does everything else a little better. (Disclaimer: if I did trackdays or car shows the Ed40 Clubsport would possibly get my vote in manual transmission form)

Would I pay £10k more for a TCR over and above my perfectly good 7.5 GTI? Hell no.
I’d go for either option 1: Lightly modify my 7.5 GTI. (add TCR brakes, TCR splitter and skirts, Oettinger diffuser, stage 1 remap, possibly change the wheels)

Or option 2: Find a low mileage, fairly sensibly priced mk8 Clubsport.
Bear with me, you might think you hate the mk8 but you won’t. Been there and done it.

Why the Clubsport? Personal opinion from a 30 odd year veteran of Golf GTI’s but I think it’s the best mk8 which admittedly isn’t saying much.
The mk8 standard GTI isn’t a looker unless it’s wearing Adelaides and won’t add anything to the driving experience above a standard 7.5 GTI. You’d just focus on the interior and feel short changed until you got used to it and realised it’s not that bad at all.
The R is too spec sensitive and you need to spend a LOT of extra ££££€€€€ to make it what it needs to be.
Minus the Performance pack the front bumper and side skirts look too bulbous and the styling looks all out of balance. Inside it doesn’t look like a near £50k car at that point so you need another £2k plus on leather…
When the R 20 year edition (godawful long winded name) was announced rececely I figured, assuming the spec is the same as in the promo bumph, that it would likely cost me £20k on top of my 18 month old Clubsport to get behind the wheel. I know the world has gone mad in so many ways but seriously, for that I’d want at least an Audi or Merc badge and 400bhp under the bonnet.

That leaves the Clubsport. To my eyes it’s the best looking mk8 (R-Line arguably runs it close) by a margin, but that’s just the start of it. It just drives so well. The power delivery is bang on for road use, the brakes are superb and the handling is sublime (ok, it’s fairly heavy and moves about a bit on its springs but that doesn’t detract, just part of the character) yet in can be so docile and tractable with reasonable comfort when you’re just pootling along behind Doris in her i10.
Doris will help you get 40mpg too.
I’ve always said the TCR was the beta model for the mk8 Clubsport and it still feels that way. The 8CS just feeling that bit sharper. Not a lot in it mind.
Would I pay £xxxx to change from a TCR to an 8CS? Absolutely not. The TCR feels like a ‘special’ car where the 8CS feels like the car a normal old skool GTI enthusiast would have built themselves starting with a base GTI. An honest basic GTI honed to drive significantly sharper without looking too showy. So in fact pretty true to the Clubsport ethos minus any weight saving bits (which the Ed40 also lacked).
Inside, it’s actually nice when you get used to it. Yes, the door handles look cheap but they wear well and the rest of it really grows on you. Personally I don’t spend ages looking at interior door handles when on the move. The steering wheel is lovely to use and there is no clutter, just functional minimalism.
The Ed40 owners slate the 8CS for not being special enough and I’ll grant them that. But there’s more to GTI’s than limited edition bits of trim. The 8CS is a GTI for traditional GTI lovers in its simplest format.
It’s a grower.

I’ll discount the Ed45 for this thread due to the sheer expense to move from a 7.5 GTI to the Ed45. Special Edition GTI enthusiasts are a seperate sub-breed! 😁

If you hate BMW’s then you’ll never miss the fact the 1 series (F40) is a better stab at building a Golf than VW currently muster. They’re seriously good and utterly solid build wise. It seems like instead of looking at the mk7 Golf to base their FWD 1 series on they just copied the dimensions and then got a mk2 Golf to base the interior solidity on.
BMW specialise in making big cars and you can tell by the sheer quality of the interior of the 1er plus all the body reinforcing struts.
Mercedes specialise in big cars too but unfortunately used Renault as their basis for small hatches. Oops.
Still, doesn’t seem to do their sales any harm.

In conclusion, the mk8 isn’t as bad as you think by any means but go for option 1 and keep the 7.5.




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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #12 on: 18 July 2022, 08:32 »
Interesting exposition Exonian. Not had this level of experience with cars you mention but given my ownership of the 7.5pp think your conclusion is probably the one Meister should seriously think about.
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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #13 on: 18 July 2022, 10:08 »
My previous car was a BMW 330d Coupe.

My next car after the Golf is likely to be a newer 3.0 diesel BMW, like a 330d, 430d Gran coupe or 535d.

I like the Golf, but I want to go back to rear wheel drive, and I actually prefer that diesel engine to the 4 pot petrol in the Golf.
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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #14 on: 18 July 2022, 11:02 »
I have had my 2018 mk7.5 gti for nearly 3 years now and used to only keep my cars for 18 months. Whilst I ADORE my current car, I normally have a plan of action for my next car...

However, looking at options, I cannot fathom what on earth I will do next. I would ordinarily get a newer GTI, but here is my thinking;

- Mk 8 gti - ugly (in my opinion), awful interior - immediately ruled out
- Mk 7.5 gti tcr - currently my top option, but this will be my third mk7.5 gti and could be a bit samey (although brilliant!)
- Audi tt - don't really like audis, but tt looks good, particularly TTS. However, crazily expensive - ruled out
- Mercedes - UGLY UGLY UGLY, won't entertain at any cost. Overly expensive too.
- Skoda - Although good, it is a step down
- Seat /Cupra - See Skoda
- BMW - UGLY AS SIN and never liked them anyway. Overly expensive too.
- Porsche - love Caymans, but crazyyyy expensive! Would get a lot less and older compared to current 7.5 gti.

I am left with absolutely nowhere to go and am genuinely intrigued what people are buying next and indeed what experiences and comparisons are compared to previous 7.5 ownership.

What are you buying!? :)

My last 4 cars, all company lease, Audi Quattro > GTD > Golf R > TCR (present)

Was going to keep the TCR, absolutely love it, the completed evolution of the MK 7x series with the 7.5 uplifts, and with R type pace and braking while being a little lighter on its toes.

However, current inflated second hand prices and 2 x daughters weddings in next 2 years means the TCR has to be returned and new lease ordered. So what car?

Not really sold on the MK 8 due to interior, and maybe guilty of suffering some Golf fatigue to look at another, but would have considered the Clubsport, but with options that would have wanted on it (and not all), it easily broke £42,000

See that you really dislike the BMW F40 and some here test drove them when came out, and were not that enamored either, but decided to look really closely at the BMW 128Ti given its many excellent reviews, and obvious punt at being a GTI rival and was really really impressed.

The interior is simply a nice place to be, with excellent, easily manipulated tech. The trim, ambient lighting etc, all add to that luster.

Managed 2 x drives, albeit 30 minute ones, but it felt livelier than my TCR, with emphasis on 'felt' as imagine on timings its a shade off, but it makes some nice noises when in sport even if amplified, and was basically, responsive and lively and the ride again felt similar to the TCR in Sport, which is setting that predominantly use

Know some on here, did not like the F40 ride, but from all understand the 128Ti has been worked on quite a bit with different set ups and bracing, that it has its own unique characteristics,

Personally think it looks ok too, not in a blown away, way, but genuinely like and hopefully a grower, and have selected the signature of white and with the standard unique 18" with performance tyres

The real kicker is this though, most of the options that would choose are standard, only added £1000 worth of options, with just parking assist, and privacy glass being the real musts and so overall cost for lease was £35150, £3500 less that TCR cost 3 years ago, and about £7000 less than the Golf Clubsport that would have wanted.

This will be my first BMW, always been VAG and though have feel done good diligence its not any replacement for living with, though can only compare to MK 7.5 will see how it stacks up over next year from when receive (supposedly October)

As said wanted to keep my TCR, and have even looked at MK 6 ED35 so having something a little different, even if not new, and has some age is no problem to me, but as forced to, do feel that in the 128Ti will be getting something more modern? and at least comparable to performance enjoy, and with quite a bit of cabin uplift experience from last 9 years which as good as the MK 7x golfs were, they were a drop on the previous 8P chassis Audis had prior.

So, looking forward to the change to BMW, be interesting to see actually how feel when living with as a daily, opposed to how think will feel from thoughts here,

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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #15 on: 18 July 2022, 11:09 »
Keep what you've got.

Nice read Exonian! It's like you've been waiting all your life just for this question to come up. Can't argue with a single point you've put up, very well written Sir.
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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #16 on: 18 July 2022, 11:15 »
My previous car was a BMW 330d Coupe.

My next car after the Golf is likely to be a newer 3.0 diesel BMW, like a 330d, 430d Gran coupe or 535d.

I like the Golf, but I want to go back to rear wheel drive, and I actually prefer that diesel engine to the 4 pot petrol in the Golf.
We’ve seen that an awful lot on this forum over the years symonh, once people are used to big BMW’s they tend to go back to them. When something is right for you it kind of gets under your skin and there’s no escaping it.
Those 6 cyl Diesels are mighty engines and BMW seem to have got the whole packaging just right for their segment.

Keep what you've got.

Nice read Exonian! It's like you've been waiting all your life just for this question to come up. Can't argue with a single point you've put up, very well written Sir.

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I’d been poised for that moment in time  :laugh:

I’ve probably written similar things a few times here, just my opinion from a lot of experience with the Golf models, so a personally very expensive opinion!!
 
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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #17 on: 18 July 2022, 12:50 »
I had the same issue, sold our 7.5 in June 21 due to the silly offers we were getting, bought a run about and finally decided what to order in Nov 21, with many of the same concerns you have...

Was torn between a MK8 Clubsport GTI (may have been the 45 can't remember) and an S3....

Test drove a GTI on the Fri and went to Audi on Sat to test the S3, long story but couldnt take there demo out so ended up taking there RS3 out !!!!

They played that hand well, just a shame we our still waiting for a confirmed build date 8 months down the line for a car we never set out to buy LOL

Yes never ever had this issue before! There appears to be literally nothing that I would want! And that is for any money really. Most new cars seem to have worse styling and quality than predecessors. RS3 clearly are great cars, but really not convinced with the styling, especially all that weird black plastic on front and rear bumpers. Crazy crazy money too for some reason - could buy three good 7.5 gtis for the same money, and still have change!

Also, re: the mk8 GTI, interested to hear your opinions when you viewed and test drove... I sat in one in a showroom and was actually disgusted at the sheer poor quality of the interior, lack of things present on the 7.5 and gawky exterior (all my opinion of course haha).

The RS3 is craxy money now but we ordered before the 6% Dec increase and the 2% March increase with another due next month, I assume VW will be increasing their prices too in Aug?

I won't go into why we plumped for this car on a VW forum LOL

As for the MK8 Golf, the looks have grown on me since launch, always had 3 dr GTI's and R's and was adament I'd never have a 5 door 8, as mentioned in another reply the clubsport is the only option due to the better looks. The car drove really well, did about 30 miles, was apprehensive of the touch pad tech, but in reality once the volume was set and the temp I never touched it again. The dash part with the LED screens does look really cheap, and id imagine the facelift will echo the higher quality design of the A class. It drove better than my MK7.5 and was noticably faster, i'd say as quick as it should have been in basic form. Had it not been for the love of the RS3's flared arches and speed, id have ordered the clubsport over the S3.
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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #18 on: 18 July 2022, 14:44 »
There's a common theme emerging of there's nothing really worth moving onto from a 7.5 gti / tcr unless it's got more cylinders.

Given there's been a Hyundai Ioniq N announced I'd temporarily hold off on moving, as better real world electric cars are starting to come out, unless you get a lotto win then go buy a Porsche.
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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #19 on: 18 July 2022, 15:10 »
I had a Mk2 GTi back in 1987 in poverty spec, but it was a wonderful car - apart from the steel wheels. I foolishly traded it in for a brand new Renault 5 GT turbo. A wonderfully fun car, but I won't go into the rattles, cheap plastics and snapped clutch cables. My return to VW was in 2009 with a Mk6 GTD which i passed to my wife's daughter 4 years later - a fabulous car, as was my Mk7 GTD. The pinnacle of my VW motoring was the Mk7.5 R which I had from 2017 until March this year. I can honestly say that it did everything I could want and even after 5 years I still looked back it when I parked up. Sorry for the lengthy preamble, but my point is that as perfect as it was I felt a hankering to change and another VW was my original go to brand. Unfortunately, like many here, I just couldn't get on with the exterior or interior looks and the quality of the materials seemed to fall well short of my previous golfs.

The S3 was definitely a contender with a price between the Gti and the R. It was well equipped and the interior, to my mind, was much better quality than that of the Mk8 (albeit a step down from the 8v model). It was then that I decided to push the boat out and get the RS3 carbon black saloon and I don't regret it at all. I ordered in August 2021 and took delivery in March this year. The stupidly high price was offset by the stupidly high price I got for my 5 year old R. It's further helped by the amount I could sell it for now (yes I know the bubble will burst, but constant Audi price hikes will lessen depreciation - unless I change cars again. The RS3 is worth every penny i paid, for the engine sound alone - you soon forget that the dash is pretty much that in a standard A3 or A1.

My main point is that as much as we love our cars, we still want, rather than need change. We all have different ideas as to what constitutes a good looking car and we just have to ensure we maintain a proper balance between head and heart. The choice of cars is now infinite, unfortunately the prices are as well. Good luck with the decision making!