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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: HappyGtd on 16 March 2019, 13:01
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Hello All,
Despite my username I'm thinking of trading in my manual GTD for something with DSG and a bit more poke but having a dilemma about what to go for.
I've been looking at GTI Performances with between 8000 and 11000 miles on for about £24-£25k and have been pretty dead set on one. But now my head is getting turned quite a lot by Cupras (5 door hatches) with delivery mileage selling for around £22,500.
I know the Golf will have the superior ride quality and interior, but the Cupras new, and faster.
Which should I go for?
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Down to personal taste really. I've always used the Golf as my measuring stick by which I judge other cars due to its depth of all round talents.
My biggest issue with the Cupra is 290bhp going through the front wheels only. Haven't tried it though and some say it's fine with the diff if you have tyres that are up to the job.
However it's a lot of car for the money. I think DCC is standard now on Cupra's, so I wouldn't expect ride quality to be a major issue. The cabin isn't quite up to GTi standard, but it is still decent enough and a bit more premium than your bog standard Leon. Early depreciation may still be heavy, but this matters less and less the longer you keep it.
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Cheers for replying Guzzle!
I know it's a lot for the front wheels but I don't think it's an issue once you're on the move, I'm not planning the traffic light grand prix. Up in the Highlands where I live it's all B roads and you need something reasonably brisk for the many overtakes which are required to make positive progress.
My pet hate are folk who sit at 40-45 on twisty bits for a few miles then as soon as the road opens up and straightens out they blast up to 70 or 80. The GTD struggles with that sometimes.
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Should quantify that better, they do 40-45 on twisty bits that are entirely feasible to do 60+ on.
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When you go out for a meal or park up in supermarket car park which one would you rather look back at? They are both not too dissimilar regarding specs so, IMO, it comes down to looks and cabin quality and I know who wins that one :grin:
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Very very little difference in cabin quality between the golf and Leon and if you go for a Lux model on the Cupra you'll have everything the golf has and more. I actually think the Leon is nicer looking than the golf depending on colour that is.
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For that sort of money id look at a clubsport. Best of both worlds. U get the golf interior which is superior in every way. Plus it has the running gear of a cupra 280/90. And its a clubsport :cool: so depriciation shudnt be as bad as a leon which plummet like a stone. Being in the highlands ul have to travel. But its well worth it. I went 110 miles for mine and never regretted it. :smiley:
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Cheers all. I went to Hereford for the GTD, from somewhere near the isle of Skye, So I've no problem travelling for motors. The future looks Cupra!
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The Leon doesn't plummet in value at least the performance models don't and the interior isn't superior in every way on the golf. I didn't think we had badge snobbery on here but it obviously lives :whistle:
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No brand snobbery sir as ive had 3 leons. But lets be honest it doesnt compare to the golf interior. Its the reason i didnt buy a new one. And theres a reason leons cupras are cheap and thats because people just wont buy them. They are very good cars. I like them alot, but to most people they are a cheap golf gti. The performance for the cash is excellent. Each to their own. My opinion and i know alot of people that are of the exact same. :tongue:
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It's all relative though by saying they are cheap. You could say the golf is expensive and over priced compared to the Leon. They aren't massively different and the interiors use much of the same parts. The Cupra variants are a nice looking car especially in ST form 👍
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I agree they possibly are correctly priced and the golf is over priced. And also yes they are much better looking. But where i spend my time is in the driving seat. And it just doesnt compare with quality. Yes the hardware is the same but the dash and plastics aren't. Like i say if seat sorted the interior out vw would lose a customer. Anyway after slightly hijacking the thread, buy a clubsport. :evil: :whistle:
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I have no problem driving a Seat, I had a pre facelift Leon FR 184 before the GTD. The facelift Leons interior is apparently much improved, especially with the digital dash which is more customisable than the Golfs by all account. It all hinges on the Cupra's ride quality which I'm hoping will be reasonable with the DCC.
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My two cents...
I personally didn't care much about a badge (hell, I drove Vauxhalls for years!) but for me it was about total cost of ownership - both depreciation, the finance rates and the actual discounted price via a broker. I would have paid more for a SEAT or a Skoda or an Audi.
Given that the engineering is largely the same across VAG, the Golf was the sweet spot for me, although it does depend on the way you want to fund it - I needed PCP.
The only other point worth mentioning is the interior space - again, coming from a large car to the Golf, the Golf represented the minimum space I needed. The SEAT was too small (in hatch form), the Octavia too big (in estate form - no hatch and I needed a hatch not a saloon), the A3 sportback would have been fine but the money was too much for me.
So not about the badge or the engineering, it was just those things.
As I said though, your circumstances may be different.
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Buy the one you want. The fact is a SEAT is built to a cheaper cost, so will be cheaper. Nothing to do with badge snobbery, they are different cars.
It's your own subjective opinion as to wether that "cheaper" is something you can live with. For me, it wasn't/isn't, so I bought the Golf.
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I know this a Golf forum so it obvious we will mainly all favour the Golf. But I've got to say, I really don't think you can call the Leon Cupra cheap. Both are £30k hatchbacks build using almost identical parts. If you look at the interior, I'd say it's easily on par with the GTI. The switches all have chrome surrounds . The Alcantara looks great. The spec is as good if not better than the Golf.
This one looks fantastic value for £24k. I'd certainly also consider the ST as looks better than the Golf estate.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201901204121830?year-from=2018&make=SEAT&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&aggregatedTrim=Cupra%20290&model=LEON&postcode=s37bh&sort=sponsored&radius=1500&page=1
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I know this a Golf forum so it obvious we will mainly all favour the Golf. But I've got to say, I really don't think you can call the Leon Cupra cheap. Both are £30k hatchbacks build using almost identical parts. If you look at the interior, I'd say it's easily on par with the GTI. The switches all have chrome surrounds . The Alcantara looks great. The spec is as good if not better than the Golf.
This one looks fantastic value for £24k. I'd certainly also consider the ST as looks better than the Golf estate.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201901204121830?year-from=2018&make=SEAT&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&aggregatedTrim=Cupra%20290&model=LEON&postcode=s37bh&sort=sponsored&radius=1500&page=1
It's 'cheaper', not 'cheap'. It's built to a cost, that cost is cheaper than a Golf build cost.
Examples off the top of my head where in that car I can see it's built cheaper than a Golf. 1) Cupholders that have no retractable/adjustable levers that keep a cup in place nor have a retractable cover. 2) Door bins that aren't totally felt lined. 3) No adjustable boot floor 4) No rubber liners in the cubby holes 5) Cheaper plastics throughout 6) smaller screen 7) Last generation LED lights. 8) No leather steering wheel 9) No door for the phone holder cubby. 9) Only three DCC settings, 10) Last generation ACC with no controls on the steering wheel. 11) Higher emission levels. Just to name but a few after a quick glance.
Small things maybe, but if you were to go through that SEAT and list it all, it would amount to a long list and add up.
It's there that matters to some people, no all, but to some. When I sit in the golf it's a superior feeling cabin, all the small things add up, so to me it's worth the extra money.
I don't see that car as fantastic value, I see it as a 6mth old £24k Seat, my immediate reaction would be what £25k would get me from VW.
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I guess SEAT put the extra money into the driving experience rather than some extra rubber here or a cover there.
That's why it's locking diff and 290bhp. Think a leather steering wheel is standard on Cupras. Agree on the tech side and certainly the LEON model looking a bit more dated.
And yes, you can get a 2018 GTI Performance for £25k :smiley:
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I guess SEAT put the extra money into the driving experience rather than some extra rubber here or a cover there.
That's why it's locking diff and 290bhp.
Reviews would say the opposite:
EVO: "The SEAT’s EA888 engine is a real firecracker but its dampers, limited-slip diff and traction control struggle to utilise all of the engine’s power making the SEAT an unruly companion at times. It can be exhilarating for short periods but tiring after a long stretch."
TOP GEAR: "The Cupra's not a wheelspin fest, but you’re a lot more aware the electronic nannies are doing overtime. Top of third gear, the little yellow light blinks away merrily. This car needs no more power – it’s already wasting what it’s got. Yes, it’s a well-rounded hot hatch, but with a few too many caveats. It’s blessed with a nicely mobile rear end, which is fun, but the steering’s numb. It’s very fast, but lacking panache in its delivery."
What CAR: "in most respects we'd describe the Leon Cupra as effective rather than a purist's delight. The steering is consistent but never offers quite the precision of the Civic Type R's, and the Leon Cupra fails to serve up the agility provided by that car, either. It even sounds a bit flat, with its enhanced exhaust note played through the speakers in Cupra mode"
AUTOCAR: "You do get the feeling that maybe there’s a bit too much power for the chassis, though. Leave the traction control on and it’ll stick its oar in all too readily. Turn it off and you’ll still get the odd flash as the Cupra wheelspins through first gear and into second. Throw in a bump in the road and things get even worse. Under hard acceleration, there’s a bang and a jolt through the front suspension as if some of the bushes are made of Dairylea (other soft cheeses are available). That’s probably because the slippy differential is a particularly weak one. Unlike the hottest of Renault Mégane Renaultsports or the Honda Civic Type R, which will pull you around a corner under power, the Cupra almost seems to rely on electronic interventions as much as the locking of the differential."
As said, on paper the SEAT looks comparible, but it's built to a cheaper cost in things you can see (and not see), and those cost cutting methods come through.
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I guess the new Fiesta ST is too small?
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I know this a Golf forum so it obvious we will mainly all favour the Golf. But I've got to say, I really don't think you can call the Leon Cupra cheap. Both are £30k hatchbacks build using almost identical parts. If you look at the interior, I'd say it's easily on par with the GTI. The switches all have chrome surrounds . The Alcantara looks great. The spec is as good if not better than the Golf.
This one looks fantastic value for £24k. I'd certainly also consider the ST as looks better than the Golf estate.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201901204121830?year-from=2018&make=SEAT&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&aggregatedTrim=Cupra%20290&model=LEON&postcode=s37bh&sort=sponsored&radius=1500&page=1
It's 'cheaper', not 'cheap'. It's built to a cost, that cost is cheaper than a Golf build cost.
Examples off the top of my head where in that car I can see it's built cheaper than a Golf. 1) Cupholders that have no retractable/adjustable levers that keep a cup in place nor have a retractable cover. 2) Door bins that aren't totally felt lined. 3) No adjustable boot floor 4) No rubber liners in the cubby holes 5) Cheaper plastics throughout 6) smaller screen 7) Last generation LED lights. 8) No leather steering wheel 9) No door for the phone holder cubby. 9) Only three DCC settings, 10) Last generation ACC with no controls on the steering wheel. 11) Higher emission levels. Just to name but a few after a quick glance.
Small things maybe, but if you were to go through that SEAT and list it all, it would amount to a long list and add up.
It's there that matters to some people, no all, but to some. When I sit in the golf it's a superior feeling cabin, all the small things add up, so to me it's worth the extra money.
I don't see that car as fantastic value, I see it as a 6mth old £24k Seat, my immediate reaction would be what £25k would get me from VW.
These might be an issue on a lower down Leon but certainly not on the Cupra. Just an example but it does have leather steering wheel and dual boot levels. Three damper modes? It's exactly the same system that's in the golf. Also slightly strange they complain about the diff on those articles mentioned, it's exactly the same diff that's in the golf yet everyone loves that. Only thing I'd agree with is the suspension bushes which are crap 👍
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I know this a Golf forum so it obvious we will mainly all favour the Golf. But I've got to say, I really don't think you can call the Leon Cupra cheap. Both are £30k hatchbacks build using almost identical parts. If you look at the interior, I'd say it's easily on par with the GTI. The switches all have chrome surrounds . The Alcantara looks great. The spec is as good if not better than the Golf.
This one looks fantastic value for £24k. I'd certainly also consider the ST as looks better than the Golf estate.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201901204121830?year-from=2018&make=SEAT&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&aggregatedTrim=Cupra%20290&model=LEON&postcode=s37bh&sort=sponsored&radius=1500&page=1
It's 'cheaper', not 'cheap'. It's built to a cost, that cost is cheaper than a Golf build cost.
Examples off the top of my head where in that car I can see it's built cheaper than a Golf. 1) Cupholders that have no retractable/adjustable levers that keep a cup in place nor have a retractable cover. 2) Door bins that aren't totally felt lined. 3) No adjustable boot floor 4) No rubber liners in the cubby holes 5) Cheaper plastics throughout 6) smaller screen 7) Last generation LED lights. 8) No leather steering wheel 9) No door for the phone holder cubby. 9) Only three DCC settings, 10) Last generation ACC with no controls on the steering wheel. 11) Higher emission levels. Just to name but a few after a quick glance.
Small things maybe, but if you were to go through that SEAT and list it all, it would amount to a long list and add up.
It's there that matters to some people, no all, but to some. When I sit in the golf it's a superior feeling cabin, all the small things add up, so to me it's worth the extra money.
I don't see that car as fantastic value, I see it as a 6mth old £24k Seat, my immediate reaction would be what £25k would get me from VW.
These might be an issue on a lower down Leon but certainly not on the Cupra. Just an example but it does have leather steering wheel and dual boot levels. Three damper modes? It's exactly the same system that's in the golf.
I’d suggest you look at the pictures of the car in the link. That car is a Cupra and that car has all the things I mention.
Yes, the Cupra only has three DCC/Drive modes (Comfort, Sport, Cupra), there’s 4 in the Golf (Eco, Comfort, Normal, Sport). It’s not the same, it's set-up differently and gives different options/flexibility. Damper rates are also different on the Cupra.
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I know this a Golf forum so it obvious we will mainly all favour the Golf. But I've got to say, I really don't think you can call the Leon Cupra cheap. Both are £30k hatchbacks build using almost identical parts. If you look at the interior, I'd say it's easily on par with the GTI. The switches all have chrome surrounds . The Alcantara looks great. The spec is as good if not better than the Golf.
This one looks fantastic value for £24k. I'd certainly also consider the ST as looks better than the Golf estate.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201901204121830?year-from=2018&make=SEAT&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&aggregatedTrim=Cupra%20290&model=LEON&postcode=s37bh&sort=sponsored&radius=1500&page=1
It's 'cheaper', not 'cheap'. It's built to a cost, that cost is cheaper than a Golf build cost.
Examples off the top of my head where in that car I can see it's built cheaper than a Golf. 1) Cupholders that have no retractable/adjustable levers that keep a cup in place nor have a retractable cover. 2) Door bins that aren't totally felt lined. 3) No adjustable boot floor 4) No rubber liners in the cubby holes 5) Cheaper plastics throughout 6) smaller screen 7) Last generation LED lights. 8) No leather steering wheel 9) No door for the phone holder cubby. 9) Only three DCC settings, 10) Last generation ACC with no controls on the steering wheel. 11) Higher emission levels. Just to name but a few after a quick glance.
Small things maybe, but if you were to go through that SEAT and list it all, it would amount to a long list and add up.
It's there that matters to some people, no all, but to some. When I sit in the golf it's a superior feeling cabin, all the small things add up, so to me it's worth the extra money.
I don't see that car as fantastic value, I see it as a 6mth old £24k Seat, my immediate reaction would be what £25k would get me from VW.
The car is the link:
Flat bottomed perforated leather steering wheel with white stitching and CUPRA logo
Let's be honest, we could say it has things the Golf doesn't get as standard for similar money - DCC, 19s, better active display, gloss black mirrors and I'm sure they are other things.
We're all driving Golfs but it doesn't mean the Cupra isn't still a good car and may offer better value for money.
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I know this a Golf forum so it obvious we will mainly all favour the Golf. But I've got to say, I really don't think you can call the Leon Cupra cheap. Both are £30k hatchbacks build using almost identical parts. If you look at the interior, I'd say it's easily on par with the GTI. The switches all have chrome surrounds . The Alcantara looks great. The spec is as good if not better than the Golf.
This one looks fantastic value for £24k. I'd certainly also consider the ST as looks better than the Golf estate.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201901204121830?year-from=2018&make=SEAT&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&aggregatedTrim=Cupra%20290&model=LEON&postcode=s37bh&sort=sponsored&radius=1500&page=1
It's 'cheaper', not 'cheap'. It's built to a cost, that cost is cheaper than a Golf build cost.
Examples off the top of my head where in that car I can see it's built cheaper than a Golf. 1) Cupholders that have no retractable/adjustable levers that keep a cup in place nor have a retractable cover. 2) Door bins that aren't totally felt lined. 3) No adjustable boot floor 4) No rubber liners in the cubby holes 5) Cheaper plastics throughout 6) smaller screen 7) Last generation LED lights. 8) No leather steering wheel 9) No door for the phone holder cubby. 9) Only three DCC settings, 10) Last generation ACC with no controls on the steering wheel. 11) Higher emission levels. Just to name but a few after a quick glance.
Small things maybe, but if you were to go through that SEAT and list it all, it would amount to a long list and add up.
It's there that matters to some people, no all, but to some. When I sit in the golf it's a superior feeling cabin, all the small things add up, so to me it's worth the extra money.
I don't see that car as fantastic value, I see it as a 6mth old £24k Seat, my immediate reaction would be what £25k would get me from VW.
The car is the link:
Flat bottomed perforated leather steering wheel with white stitching and CUPRA logo
Let's be honest, we could say it has things the Golf doesn't get as standard for similar money - DCC, 19s, better active display, gloss black mirrors and I'm sure they are other things.
We're all driving Golfs but it doesn't mean the Cupra isn't still a good car and may offer better value for money.
We appear to be going round in circles here...
The Seat is a "cheaper" car (than the Golf), not a "cheap" car. The Seat is built to a cost, and that cost is cheaper than a Golf. That's not really up for debate, that's a fact publicised by the VAG group. The steering wheel may be leather on paper, but look at it, does it look like leather, it's clearly a much cheaper leather/material, it looks (and no doubt feels) cheaper because it's built to a cheaper cost.
Value for money is subjective. What you may class as VFM, is not another person's opinion. I don't see the Seat as value for money, I see it as an inferior product to the Golf in many ways. That's not to say I'm right, or you are right, it's to say VFM is subjective.
But when the lines get blurred and people (not you I might add) start arguing subjective opinions as facts, the argument becomes a nonsense.
A Golf GTI PP is a "better" car than Cupra,and that's nothing to do with brand snobbery, it's to do with cold hard facts of build costs, material costs, and trim. That's not to say a Cupra isn't a good car, it just simply isn't comparable like for like. Different products, built to different costs, aimed at different audiences (budgets).
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Anyone would think these two cars were miles apart. We're not comparing a Citigo with an R8 here, but to read words like "inferior" in this context is a bit strong. Despite what you might say, it really does smack of brand snobbery.
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Anyone would think these two cars were miles apart.
They're not miles apart, nobody is saying they are. They are priced accordingly.
We're not comparing a Citigo with an R8 here, but to read words like "inferior" in this context is a bit strong.
We're comparing two products that are priced at different levels. A price that's based (and reflected) in the items used to build the products. It really is that simple, a very simple business concept. This is not the same product being sold at different prices, it's two different products, and one is cheaper than the other because it's errr ummm, made cheaper, so yes there are inferior elements to it. :huh:
Despite what you might say, it really does smack of brand snobbery.
Despite what you might say, it's not, it's simple maths and product understanding. People's personal opinion of Value For Money is then layered on top.
Brand snobbery only comes into play if you are comparing exactly the same product but badged differently, in this case we are not.
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99% of the parts you'll pull off a Cupra will be exactly the same as what is on an Audi, Skoda and VW. It's the perception that you're getting a better car that sucks people in. All this nonsense saying it's built to a cost, every car is built to a cost and unless you hadn't noticed VW seem to been doing more cost cutting than other brands within the vag group. Is the Cupra cheap or the Golf over priced? Probably a bit of both but VW are living off the heritage of yesteryear and other brands are becoming more desirable.
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5 things I prefer about the Golf GTi over the Leon Cupra;-
1) Cabin design is a bit nicer.
2) Some of the interior plastics are a bit nicer.
3) Winter pack is available with cloth seats.
4) Rear camera is available.
5) Heated front screen is available.
5 things I prefer about the Leon Cupra over the Golf GTi;-
1) Better choice of paint colours (and they're all 'free'!)
2) Nicer alloy wheel design.
3) More customisable digital dash.
4) The price to spec ratio. A standard car is about £3k cheaper after discount. A fully loaded Cupra Lux is still nearly £2k cheaper after discount. A similarly specced Golf GTi is almost £6k more than a Cupra Lux after discount.
5) More power!
This is merely my opinion. Feel free to disagree amongst yourselves :smiley:
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The Cupra Lux apparently comes with a camera although the salesman I spoke to didn't have a clue :grin: :grin:
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The Cupra Lux apparently comes with a camera although the salesman I spoke to didn't have a clue :grin: :grin:
Where did you find that info? The price list states Xcellence models only for the rear camera :undecided:
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It was in the brochure thing I downloaded from the site. Actually ignore that I've just rechecked the brochure and I'm not able to draw an imaginary line across the spec sheets :grin: :grin:
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I've not checked the forum in a few days and come back to find quite a lively discussion has gone on :grin:
I was watching the Carwow review between the GTI Performance and the Golf R and Matt says the Golf performance is a great car but just not that fast (other reviews are available and I've watched all those too).
There's always compromises so with a GTI Performance the compromise is power and with the Cupra the compromise is a slightly poorer ride comfort and slightly not as nice interior. Power wins for me :cool:
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I'm not convinced that VAG's FWD engineering allows that extra power to be put down onto the road though. Not without the extra bits that the CSS had. In stock form I suspect the Cupra won't be any noticeably different.
A straight power output comparison is one thing, but other than bragging rights, I don't think it will translate much into real world capability - maybe not even track times.
Again, just my two cents worth...
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When you're on the move, say doing 50, and need to execute a quick overtake, you'll not light up the front wheels if you boot it. The traction deficiency is only apparent in standing starts or booting it out of 2nd gear corners. It's also well documented that when on the move, as in the situation above, the Cupra will show an R or an S3 a clean set of heels when on the move (providing it's dry).
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If you strip it all back to the bare bones components then there’s little between the A3, Golf and Leon in the bare metal.
The Cupra has the added expense of the R engine internals and bolt ons, PP/CS/TCR diff, PP/CS/R brakes, DCC, standard 19’s, etc etc
It does without various luxuries like the gas strut bonnet lifter and some slightly nicer internal fittings.
The TCR and CS don’t get slated on here (running the same engine and tune) for the lack of traction. The off the line issues are more to do with the level of torque going through the front wheels which will be a similar number between the PP and Cupra, TCR etc . The VAQ will cope with it all on both Golf and Leon once on the fly.
The PP will be better on fuel and the Cupra will perform much more satisfactorily at higher revs, the latter being more important to a performance car enthusiast in most cases!
The Golf styling more classically pretty, the Leon more edgy and in nicer colours.
Ya pays yer money...
Moving “back” (or paying significantly less retail cash) from a less equipped A3 to a Leon I can understand the concerns over lack of padded interior niceties in the Leon, but between a Golf and Leon there ain’t much in it.
Considering a brand new 290 PS Cupra can be had on Broadspeed for just over £24k which is Polo GTI money (when taking into account you have to pay for paint and nav on a Polo) it’s not a bad proposition.
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Picking up a 68 plate Copra* next week for £23k with just over 1000 miles on clock (nicely run in for me!).
The only thing I'll miss is adaptive cruise as the Leon doesn't have it
*The Cupras are on their run out, so to speak, now that the MK4 Leon is imminent. The Seat 'S' badges have all changed to a sort of copper colour inside and out, so the Cupra enthusiasts have christened it the Copra.
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When you're on the move, say doing 50, and need to execute a quick overtake, you'll not light up the front wheels if you boot it. The traction deficiency is only apparent in standing starts or booting it out of 2nd gear corners. It's also well documented that when on the move, as in the situation above, the Cupra will show an R or an S3 a clean set of heels when on the move (providing it's dry).
Yes if the s3 and r are tied to trees :smiley:
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When you're on the move, say doing 50, and need to execute a quick overtake, you'll not light up the front wheels if you boot it. The traction deficiency is only apparent in standing starts or booting it out of 2nd gear corners. It's also well documented that when on the move, as in the situation above, the Cupra will show an R or an S3 a clean set of heels when on the move (providing it's dry).
Yes if the s3 and r are tied to trees :smiley:
It's true mate, it's down to less weight in the Cupra and the extra drive train friction of the Haldex in the R and S3. In wet conditions the Cupra is obviously going to suffer. It's all well evidenced on tinternet
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXV8xW1Mekc&t=169s
The Golf R is faster on the 0 to 100kmh but the Cupra is faster on the 100 to 200kmh
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When you're on the move, say doing 50, and need to execute a quick overtake, you'll not light up the front wheels if you boot it. The traction deficiency is only apparent in standing starts or booting it out of 2nd gear corners. It's also well documented that when on the move, as in the situation above, the Cupra will show an R or an S3 a clean set of heels when on the move (providing it's dry).
Yes if the s3 and r are tied to trees :smiley:
It's true mate, it's down to less weight in the Cupra and the extra drive train friction of the Haldex in the R and S3. In wet conditions the Cupra is obviously going to suffer. It's all well evidenced on tinternet
This isn't scientific, but half way through this video is a rolling start GTI(stage 1) v R:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Pq191ezCA
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When you're on the move, say doing 50, and need to execute a quick overtake, you'll not light up the front wheels if you boot it. The traction deficiency is only apparent in standing starts or booting it out of 2nd gear corners. It's also well documented that when on the move, as in the situation above, the Cupra will show an R or an S3 a clean set of heels when on the move (providing it's dry).
Yes if the s3 and r are tied to trees :smiley:
It's true mate, it's down to less weight in the Cupra and the extra drive train friction of the Haldex in the R and S3. In wet conditions the Cupra is obviously going to suffer. It's all well evidenced on tinternet
The the internet is really useful for the truth :grin:
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When you're on the move, say doing 50, and need to execute a quick overtake, you'll not light up the front wheels if you boot it. The traction deficiency is only apparent in standing starts or booting it out of 2nd gear corners. It's also well documented that when on the move, as in the situation above, the Cupra will show an R or an S3 a clean set of heels when on the move (providing it's dry).
Yes if the s3 and r are tied to trees :smiley:
It's true mate, it's down to less weight in the Cupra and the extra drive train friction of the Haldex in the R and S3. In wet conditions the Cupra is obviously going to suffer. It's all well evidenced on tinternet
The the internet is really useful for the truth :grin:
The internet is useful for everything, especially for car forums with their lively discussions and witty repartee
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Picking up a 68 plate Copra* next week for £23k with just over 1000 miles on clock (nicely run in for me!).
The only thing I'll miss is adaptive cruise as the Leon doesn't have it
*The Cupras are on their run out, so to speak, now that the MK4 Leon is imminent. The Seat 'S' badges have all changed to a sort of copper colour inside and out, so the Cupra enthusiasts have christened it the Copra.
Least you know it will be quicker and more fun round a track than an R.... :grin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tgdtVhQzJM
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Picking up a 68 plate Copra* next week for £23k with just over 1000 miles on clock (nicely run in for me!).
The only thing I'll miss is adaptive cruise as the Leon doesn't have it
*The Cupras are on their run out, so to speak, now that the MK4 Leon is imminent. The Seat 'S' badges have all changed to a sort of copper colour inside and out, so the Cupra enthusiasts have christened it the Copra.
Least you know it will be quicker and more fun round a track than an R.... :grin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tgdtVhQzJM
I’m surprised by that! Thought the 4motion would of given it the edge.
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Picking up a 68 plate Copra* next week for £23k with just over 1000 miles on clock (nicely run in for me!).
The only thing I'll miss is adaptive cruise as the Leon doesn't have it
*The Cupras are on their run out, so to speak, now that the MK4 Leon is imminent. The Seat 'S' badges have all changed to a sort of copper colour inside and out, so the Cupra enthusiasts have christened it the Copra.
Least you know it will be quicker and more fun round a track than an R.... :grin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tgdtVhQzJM
I’m surprised by that! Thought the 4motion would of given it the edge.
Naw, not on a dry track.
The VAQ diff offsets the 4WD.
On a wet public road (where you shouldn’t be driving like an arse anyway) it’d be a different story and obviously off the line a DSG R will run away with it every time (manual R’s can bog down on launches I found if you don’t get it 100% perfect).
Horses for courses.
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That's the 280 Cupra from four years ago. New one is now 290 and dsg.
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So I traded the GTD in yesterday and picked up a Cupra. Not had a chance to stretch its legs yet but the one thing I've noticed is that there are no rattles coming from anywhere in the cabin. The GTD and previous Leon were well rattely
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Sounds good, get a picture up and be keen to hear how you get on with it. Would consider one next.
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So I traded the GTD in yesterday and picked up a Cupra. Not had a chance to stretch its legs yet but the one thing I've noticed is that there are no rattles coming from anywhere in the cabin. The GTD and previous Leon were well rattely
Good effort and thanks for updating us.
Keep the updates coming too, I’ve always been a Leon Cupra fan.
As Jim says, some photos would be really good :afro:
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Happy to put some pics up if someone wants to give me a few pointers how? Stretched it's legs a bit today, definitely quite brisk :wink: but I'm still learning the intricacies of the DSG. I'm surprised how good it is for comfort, easily as good as the Golf but my Golf didn't have DCC
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Happy to put some pics up if someone wants to give me a few pointers how? Stretched it's legs a bit today, definitely quite brisk :wink: but I'm still learning the intricacies of the DSG. I'm surprised how good it is for comfort, easily as good as the Golf but my Golf didn't have DCC
https://postimages.org/
This is a free and easy to use website for uploading direct to the forum.
The more professional photographers on here favour Flickr.com but it’s best used in full desktop version.
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I just got a cupra 290 for my daily and it’s mint. Had to travel to get he car but was worth it as it’s super low miles and was immaculate condition
Surprising how different it feels to a GTI. The wife’s GTI 7.5 is a better every day car and a nicer place to be but the cupra is definitely more fun
So far I’ve fitted the audi jack pads, golf GTE undertrays, black seat badges, VAGSport resonator delete, golf mist washer jets, Racingline panel fileter and turbo elbow, clutch delay valve delete and got the OEM side skirts painted and ready to fit. Also have Racingline springs ready to go on.
The cars been polished and sealed and wheels sealed etc and underneath cleaned etc.
I’m going to fit clubsport S discs and pads and maybe look at a Rieger splitter and diffuser cos the front and back are missing something. I’ll also fit PS4 tyres when they’re due thought the OEM continentals are a damn sight better than the Pirelli’s in the wife’s GTI
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How do the Seat headlights compare to the VW ones? I notice that the Leon doesn't have washers, which suggests their output is below the 2000 lumens, above which they are required.
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Not messing around with getting some mods done! :grin:
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How do the Seat headlights compare to the VW ones? I notice that the Leon doesn't have washers, which suggests their output is below the 2000 lumens, above which they are required.
The headlights on out 7.5 GTI are excellent but Can’t say I notice the Leon ones being a problem they’re pretty good
Not messing around with getting some mods done! :grin:
Yeah I like the OEM mods. Might put a clubsport S rear sway bar on too
Just fitted the side skirts today
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Springs tomorrow maybe... was a shame to take it off the stands!
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Looks well, I like the wheels. Although a PITA to clean I imagine! :grin:
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Yeah they are a bit!
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Cupra looks great, love those skirts :cool:
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@mkviken; the Curpa looks good - I’ve always been a fan of the current Leon’s styling.
Keep a close watch on the white trim on the seat bolsters - quite a few owners over on seatcupra.net have had issues with this trim cracking and splitting, and Seat seem to apply a very inconsistent approach to repairing or replacing the damaged seat covers. Link to thread over on seatcupra.net;
https://forums.seatcupra.net/index.php?threads/cupra-290be-bucket-seat-white-trim-cracked.439396/page-2
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Yeah I’d heard that before actually.
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Lovely Cupra Ken :smiley:
How does it feel to drive compared to the CSS?
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Lovely Cupra Ken :smiley:
How does it feel to drive compared to the CSS?
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Nowhere near to be honest. I’d say it’s 7/10th’s performance wise of the clubsport S
I know the CSS is basically a bitsa from the VAG parts bin but whatever they did it is something special
You can tell they are related and share the same platform but even though they both have DCC the clubsport version is in another league.
Steering is more direct on the cupra compared to the GTI but again the CSS is another level again
The throttle response is better in the cupra than a GTI but again the CSS is unhinged compared to the lesser models
Thing is with the cupra though it’s got back seats and I can get the kids in!
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The DCC suspension is exactly the same across the golf and Leon range so it must be the setup of the suspension that's different.
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Part numbers are different in the clubsport S.
Whatever they have done to the internals of the software is noticeably better
The Leon with DCC rides better then the 7.5 GTI with normal
Dampers anyway
I just fitted Racingline springs today and the ride is really good with them too
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Looking good Ken. Two GTIs and a Seat :cool:
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Nearly As many cars as you!
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Lovely car!
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Nearly As many cars as you!
Too many mate. logistical nightmare.
Glad to see you still have the CSS. :cool:
I've owned a few Cupras over the years and have always owned a SEAT since 97.
Ive found SEAT to be more sporty than there equivalents VW nice to see you agree.
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I just got a cupra 290 for my daily and it’s mint. Had to travel to get he car but was worth it as it’s super low miles and was immaculate condition
Surprising how different it feels to a GTI. The wife’s GTI 7.5 is a better every day car and a nicer place to be but the cupra is definitely more fun
So far I’ve fitted the audi jack pads, golf GTE undertrays, black seat badges, VAGSport resonator delete, golf mist washer jets, Racingline panel fileter and turbo elbow, clutch delay valve delete and got the OEM side skirts painted and ready to fit. Also have Racingline springs ready to go on.
The cars been polished and sealed and wheels sealed etc and underneath cleaned etc.
I’m going to fit clubsport S discs and pads and maybe look at a Rieger splitter and diffuser cos the front and back are missing something. I’ll also fit PS4 tyres when they’re due thought the OEM continentals are a damn sight better than the Pirelli’s in the wife’s GTI
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How difficult is it to fit the Golf washer jets mate?
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I just got a cupra 290 for my daily and it’s mint. Had to travel to get he car but was worth it as it’s super low miles and was immaculate condition
Surprising how different it feels to a GTI. The wife’s GTI 7.5 is a better every day car and a nicer place to be but the cupra is definitely more fun
So far I’ve fitted the audi jack pads, golf GTE undertrays, black seat badges, VAGSport resonator delete, golf mist washer jets, Racingline panel fileter and turbo elbow, clutch delay valve delete and got the OEM side skirts painted and ready to fit. Also have Racingline springs ready to go on.
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Hi Ken
Do you have part numbers and a cost for the GTE under trays?
Many thanks.
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Hi
All the part numbers are on this forum
Thanks
https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8532
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Not been to Progressive Parts have you mkviken?!
This sounds great!
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