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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: pixelcellar on 16 February 2024, 19:42
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I've got my eyes on a TCR but it's not got DCC and only comes with the standard Quaranta (look v similar to Belvedere, they the same?) wheels that I want to source a set of Reifnitz for.
My dilema is how's the ride feel without DCC, anyone had a PP (ideally with Brescia's which I have) and got a TCR and driven it without the DCC on? How's the ride feel etc.
Also curious, was the 20mm drop on all models, with an extra 5mm if you got the TCR Performance Pack (was the wheels, DCC and something else I think) or was the 20mm only with the Performance Pack.
Any thoughts welcome, I know DCC is subjective but I don't want to end up with a car that's ride is bone breaking if you know what I mean and given the updates to the TCR over the PP I wonder if things affecting the ride they've done would be a worry......
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I haven't but, if you want 19s then I'd suggest you get one with DCC. It's quite a firm ride but in comfort it's very good. If you want to get the 19s, why not just go for a car with the performance pack from new? Is there something special about the car you are looking at?
The drop of 5mm is on cars with the performance pack over standard TCRs which ride at the same level as a GTIP. Other than this, performance packs were the Reifnitz with Pirellis or Pretorias with Michelin Cups. You also got the speed restrictor removed to give 164mph top speed and DCC.
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I’ve got a PP with brescia’s that’s lowered on Eibach springs and doesn’t have DCC and find the ride to perfectly comfortable. With that being said I previously had an Up GTI that was on coilovers and was the stiffest car I’ve ever owned. So to me the Golf is a huge step up in ride quality. It’s very subjective but I don’t think DCC is a necessity on just about any golf.
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Is there something special about the car you are looking at?
It's the mileage that's special, just under 6k but with that comes a lack of extras namely DCC. To be fair, really it has rear window tint, that's it I think. No interior extras over the PP either. I prefer the look of the 19" Reifnitz wheels over the standard 18's but getting them without a PP means a car with 25k on the clock.
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I’ve got a PP with brescia’s that’s lowered on Eibach springs and doesn’t have DCC and find the ride to perfectly comfortable.
I find my PP on Brescia's fine too, was concerned about the different wheel type and on the TCR, not sure if the suspension setup is any different. If it were to be the same then I'd probably do it even though it'd mean trying to source a set of Reifnitz wheels which looks difficult. Might be easier to get the Pretoria's which were also an option so least the 'standard' look would be kept.
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My TCR had DCC and Reifnitz and it hated me. Prior to that I’d had an Ed40 and GTI PP both non DCC and both came with 18’s that I upgraded to 19’s. They rode fine, handled great and on that basis I’d only buy another TCR if it was non DCC as it’s more predictable, then I’d buy a set of 19” CM Wheels replicas and be happy. A set of Michelin tyres on the reps will take the edge off the ride.
I’m not saying you should do the same, but it’d be worth checking out the TCR to see how you get on with it.
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My TCR had DCC and Reifnitz and it hated me. Prior to that I’d had an Ed40 and GTI PP both non DCC and both came with 18’s that I upgraded to 19’s. They rode fine, handled great and on that basis I’d only buy another TCR if it was non DCC as it’s more predictable, then I’d buy a set of 19” CM Wheels replicas and be happy. A set of Michelin tyres on the reps will take the edge off the ride.
I’m not saying you should do the same, but it’d be worth checking out the TCR to see how you get on with it.
CM reps might be my next purchase, I love the brescia’s but I just have a general dislike toward all diamond cut wheels.
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I’m not saying you should do the same, but it’d be worth checking out the TCR to see how you get on with it.
Drove one today on the 18's, was lovely, not going to lie, I prefer the look of the black 19's though hence my original question as different wheels/tyres can make a difference. Wonder if it's the Reifnitz wheels that aren't too comfy with. Given their kinda matt finish and the rest of the black trim on the car is gloss might be better to get the Pretoria's as they were gloss black.
Gives it original spec then and Prets are easier to come by than Reifnitz.....
Hoping to drive a DCC'd Reifnitz version tomorrow to compare with today's drive....
If I like it then it'll come down to a choice over no spec low miles (6k) or lots of spec (25k).
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I’m not saying you should do the same, but it’d be worth checking out the TCR to see how you get on with it.
Drove one today on the 18's, was lovely, not going to lie, I prefer the look of the black 19's though hence my original question as different wheels/tyres can make a difference. Wonder if it's the Reifnitz wheels that aren't too comfy with. Given their kinda matt finish and the rest of the black trim on the car is gloss might be better to get the Pretoria's as they were gloss black.
Gives it original spec then and Prets are easier to come by than Reifnitz.....
Hoping to drive a DCC'd Reifnitz version tomorrow to compare with today's drive....
If I like it then it'll come down to a choice over no spec low miles (6k) or lots of spec (25k).
Different wheels will only change the ride if there are significant weight differences between them, I know OEM Pretoria's are a reasonably light weight wheel but not sure about Reifnitz.
I think I'd be looking to get someone with the best spec available to help the residuals. I know sometimes a 6k mile car can be appealing but if I was 6k with no options or 25k with plenty of options I'd choose the latter.
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Not same really as what you are asking but I had a 245 performance on DCC on Brescia's.
Now have mk 8 GTI without on Adelaides thought I would miss DCC but I don't I would never pay to spec it again.
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The TCR will drive better on Belvedere wheels as they are so much lighter than any 18 or 19 inch wheel VW have supplied, at least in my decade of VW ownership. They weigh around 4 to 5 KGs less (per wheel) than other TCR wheels mentioned, which is noticeable. The weight will influence the ride and handling too.
Answering your first question, the Belvedere supplied on the Clubsport ED40 and the TCR are the same model - there is no difference.
One additional point, the Belvederes are highly sought after and you’ll have no problem selling a pair of low mileage wheels, at a very good price.
My experience of DCC is limited. I personally feel it’s overrated but DCC opinions are very subjective. Good luck with your decision!
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Answering your first question, the Belvedere supplied on the Clubsport ED40 and the TCR are the same model - there is no difference.
One additional point, the Belvederes are highly sought after and you’ll have no problem selling a pair of low mileage wheels, at a very good price.
Cheers for that info, though they looked the same, will likely sell them unless I go for the higher mileage car as don't want to store them for track usage that will in all honesty likely never happen.
Do you happen to know if the 20mm drop was across the board on all models, TCR Performance Pack or not?
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Different wheels will only change the ride if there are significant weight differences between them, I know OEM Pretoria's are a reasonably light weight wheel but not sure about Reifnitz.
I think I'd be looking to get someone with the best spec available to help the residuals. I know sometimes a 6k mile car can be appealing but if I was 6k with no options or 25k with plenty of options I'd choose the latter.
Bear in mind the 6k Belvederes will likely be on original Bridgestones so will have a very hard ride. Those tyres are awful unless very warm.
Personally I’d be buying purely on condition. The 25k car might have paint chips or repainted panels etc, and so might the 6k car, so either way I’d go on overall condition.
Do you happen to know if the 20mm drop was across the board on all models, TCR Performance Pack or not?
The 15mm drop is compared to a non performance Golf. It’s a misleading thing on the advertising blurb.
The 20mm is an extra 5mm lower on the DCC cars bringing them to the same ride height as a Golf R.
The DCC pack cars also have negative camber hubs similar to CSS and mk8 Clubsport.
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Cheers Exonian for the extra info, thought they looked similar anyway around the wheels, appreciate the clarification.
Just got back from seeing one in Oldham at A1 Ortos, on the off chance anyone is interested in it, forget it unless you want a cracked sunroof surround, shabby interior with pock marks on the seat bolsters and scratches on the center console and most wheels needed a refurb! Said they'd sort all those items when raised but 25k on the clock and wanting £28K+; not a chance; expect that's why it's been there nearly a month now whilst I've been looking.
Got taken for a little spin in it, no knocks or anything but on the one occasion it was pushed hard there was a loud whoosh of air from the bonnet I didn't get the other day when I drove the nearly new one. Might be nothing but was out of place when flooring it to 50mph. Didn't drive it myself as after seeing the condition and the fact they'd want £2k paying if anything happened on the test drive before I could leave the premises I declined and said they could drive me!
Tried all the settings though and found DCC on or off negligable at best on all settings so think I'm comfortable with passing on DCC now.
Good point re the Belvedere's tyre choice, Bridgestone's are harsh and noisy and would make a difference, forgot about that. I'll be happy enough adding some 19's, either Reifnitz or Pretoria's to make it like a standard car's options, the rest is all good!
This will likely be my long term (5yr+) car so I want it to be spot on now and if I can add bits aftermarket then that's fine, the one thing that would be difficult would have been DCC which I feel I just don't need now.
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Got taken for a little spin in it, no knocks or anything but on the one occasion it was pushed hard there was a loud whoosh of air from the bonnet I didn't get the other day when I drove the nearly new one. Might be nothing but was out of place when flooring it to 50mph.
I would imagine it's got some kind of aftermarket air filter for this, nothing to be concerned about but sounds like it's a non-starter anyway.
Are there any at a used approved garage near you? Might be worth a look there for the 2 years warranty and servicing etc.
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Are there any at a used approved garage near you? Might be worth a look there for the 2 years warranty and servicing etc.
Near no, but I was in York on Thursday and drove one with 5k ish on the clock, only upgrade was the 90% tint but it was immaculate. No DCC hence all these questions but drove brilliantly even on the crap tyres. Figure larger wheels (Reifnitz or Prettoria) with better tyres won't be any worse. Didn't want the Agro exhaust anyway and any other upgrades would be internal that I could add later retro fitting (kinda keen on upgraded larger head unit and dynaudio or similar though may just go with the Helix option; going to research that though.
They had systems issues so have yet to sign the paperwork but its mine to turn down, have a deposit on it currently and after seeing such a poor condition one today with mileage but some extra's I've pretty much made my mind up. It'll be like having a new car....
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Are there any at a used approved garage near you? Might be worth a look there for the 2 years warranty and servicing etc.
Near no, but I was in York on Thursday and drove one with 5k ish on the clock, only upgrade was the 90% tint but it was immaculate. No DCC hence all these questions but drove brilliantly even on the crap tyres. Figure larger wheels (Reifnitz or Prettoria) with better tyres won't be any worse. Didn't want the Agro exhaust anyway and any other upgrades would be internal that I could add later retro fitting (kinda keen on upgraded larger head unit and dynaudio or similar though may just go with the Helix option; going to research that though.
They had systems issues so have yet to sign the paperwork but its mine to turn down, have a deposit on it currently and after seeing such a poor condition one today with mileage but some extra's I've pretty much made my mind up. It'll be like having a new car....
All makes sense, I think the brilliance of these cars is that even without options they're already so well equipped anyway. I don't actually think the Akkra exhaust was really any louder than the standard option, in fact I think many preferred the standard one but again that's subjective.
A few years ago I drove a non-performance pack TCR with Belvedere's and when I think about it now it drives very similarly to my current 7.5 PP. Sure there are some differences but for general day to day use I doubt you'd notice much difference outside the visual elements.
If options are something really important to you and you can't find a TCR that fits the bill there's always the option of a DSG 7.5 PP with some good specs?
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Are there any at a used approved garage near you? Might be worth a look there for the 2 years warranty and servicing etc.
Near no, but I was in York on Thursday and drove one with 5k ish on the clock, only upgrade was the 90% tint but it was immaculate. No DCC hence all these questions but drove brilliantly even on the crap tyres. Figure larger wheels (Reifnitz or Prettoria) with better tyres won't be any worse. Didn't want the Agro exhaust anyway and any other upgrades would be internal that I could add later retro fitting (kinda keen on upgraded larger head unit and dynaudio or similar though may just go with the Helix option; going to research that though.
They had systems issues so have yet to sign the paperwork but its mine to turn down, have a deposit on it currently and after seeing such a poor condition one today with mileage but some extra's I've pretty much made my mind up. It'll be like having a new car....
All makes sense, I think the brilliance of these cars is that even without options they're already so well equipped anyway. I don't actually think the Akkra exhaust was really any louder than the standard option, in fact I think many preferred the standard one but again that's subjective.
A few years ago I drove a non-performance pack TCR with Belvedere's and when I think about it now it drives very similarly to my current 7.5 PP. Sure there are some differences but for general day to day use I doubt you'd notice much difference outside the visual elements.
If options are something really important to you and you can't find a TCR that fits the bill there's always the option of a DSG 7.5 PP with some good specs?
What I like about my TCR is the power delivery. The torque comes in a touch later than an IS20 turbo car which helps with traction but where the standard car runs out of puff the TCR keeps on giving, very exciting. I don't drive my car hard that often but it really delivers when I do.
pixelcellar - also to note with akra equipped cars is that they are very likely to fall under the luxury VED albeit given their age it might only affect cost for a year or two. I like the sound of mine, it has a nice deep burble to it, loud but not excessive.
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pixelcellar, If you do go with this TCR, I would appreciate a heads up if you are selling the 18" Quaranta wheels, i am looking for a set and would happily pay the going rate.
Joking aside, if they come fitted with Bridgestones, that is a harder sell, if you have ever run a mk7 fitted with them! :)
Cheers.
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pixelcellar, If you do go with this TCR, I would appreciate a heads up if you are selling the 18" Quaranta wheels, i am looking for a set and would happily pay the going rate.
Pretty sure they are the original tyres still with it being only 5k mileage, agree they aren't the best, especially with road noise but didn't in all honesty sound too bad. I'd defo be getting some Reifnitz or Pretoria's with 19" PS4's on..
Whats the going rate, was surprised they were so popular, obviously these are mint condition wise....
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pixelcellar, If you do go with this TCR, I would appreciate a heads up if you are selling the 18" Quaranta wheels, i am looking for a set and would happily pay the going rate.
Pretty sure they are the original tyres still with it being only 5k mileage, agree they aren't the best, especially with road noise but didn't in all honesty sound too bad. I'd defo be getting some Reifnitz or Pretoria's with 19" PS4's on..
Whats the going rate, was surprised they were so popular, obviously these are mint condition wise....
Assuming they are mint, they can be worth up to £200 a set on a good day? :)
*(Banter a more sensible discussion to be had if you buy the car!)
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@Clubsport are you sure you don't want the shirt off their back as well at that price :wink:
I'd also be interested in the 18s if clubsport doesn't lift them, and probably more importantly if you buy the car
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If they are in excellent condition, I reckon you could get £1500 even with part worn Bridgestones. Perhaps more on a good day.
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Well the order's gone in this morning, with a bit of luck they'll have it to me for the end of the week :-)
Will then be in a position to look at the wheel situation, did a bit of research myself too, had no idea they were so valuable!!
Let the dust settle, next week I'll chuck a seperate post up, Clubsport gets first refusal as he asked first, Willni next.
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Well the order's gone in this morning, with a bit of luck they'll have it to me for the end of the week :-)
Will then be in a position to look at the wheel situation, did a bit of research myself too, had no idea they were so valuable!!
Let the dust settle, next week I'll chuck a seperate post up, Clubsport gets first refusal as he asked first, Willni next.
Congrats on the order! Looking forward to hopefully seeing some pics of it when it arrives with you :)
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Well the order's gone in this morning, with a bit of luck they'll have it to me for the end of the week :-)
Will then be in a position to look at the wheel situation, did a bit of research myself too, had no idea they were so valuable!!
Let the dust settle, next week I'll chuck a seperate post up, Clubsport gets first refusal as he asked first, Willni next.
Congratulations! Did you go for the 6k miler? They are a really great car, I'm sure you'll be pleased :smiley:
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Congratulations! Did you go for the 6k miler? They are a really great car, I'm sure you'll be pleased :smiley:
I did, looking forward to it :-)
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Don't think this has been posted but I guess you might have watched this to show what a TCR is about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Map8rhUkvpQ
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Don't think this has been posted but I guess you might have watched this to show what a TCR is about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Map8rhUkvpQ
I did see this and about a gazillion other reviews, Thursday can't come quick enough!
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Thursday can't come quick enough!
How are you getting on with your new toy?
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How are you getting on with your new toy?
Oh I'm loving it, haven't been too far in it yet but have enjoyed putting my foot down, it really flies, ridiculously at times too!
Just need to sort some wheels and then I'll be happy with it as is for a bit....
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How are you getting on with your new toy?
Oh I'm loving it, haven't been too far in it yet but have enjoyed putting my foot down, it really flies, ridiculously at times too!
Just need to sort some wheels and then I'll be happy with it as is for a bit....
:smiley:
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Well, finally got round to putting the Brescia's onto the TCR from my old GTI; feels no different to me to my old GTI and to be honest, not a lot in it compared to the TCR running on 18 Belvedere's (with the stock Bridgestone Potenza's).
So I guess that means i've a set of Belvedere's and Brescia's for sale to fund the purchase of a set of Reifnitz rims :-)
Clubsport, I think you were first in line....
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