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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: MjrSharpe on 25 October 2017, 20:50
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Just fitted a racing line turbo elbow today in co junction with a k and n panel filter. There is definitely an improvement; throttle is sharper and acceleration seems stronger. Recommended upgrade which is very easy to do.
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Been eyeing these up but not convinced of the improvement on an otherwise standard car. Have you declared it to your insurer and if so did it cost much extra? Are you going to upgrade the inlet pipe?
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I have mine in conjuction with a dtuk tuning box and pedal box. I have delcared it and it cost something like £10 to add to my existing policy, so probably about £20 a year or so. During regular driving there is no real difference, but there is when you start pushing on a bit.
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I thought this mod was normally what you did after upgrading the inlet and before you fitted a cat back exhaust?
On its own it won't do much?
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I have mine in conjuction with a dtuk tuning box and pedal box. I have delcared it and it cost something like £10 to add to my existing policy, so probably about £20 a year or so. During regular driving there is no real difference, but there is when you start pushing on a bit.
Thanks for that, I'll keep it in mind :smiley:
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Interesting, I've been looking at this one form Forge Motorsports;
https://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/MQB_Chassis_VWAudiSeat_Mk7_GtiR_Leon_Cupra_280290_S3_8V_High_Flow_Inlet_Hose--product--1580.html
Same sort of product but manufactured in one piece with the hose, apparently these types of bolt on mods are good for 10% increase.
Did you remove the snow guard when you dropped in the K&N filter?
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I removed the plastic insert (I don't think it's actually a snow guard) when I replaced my air filter with just an oem one and noted a distinct improvement. Why? I'm not sure, the filter was mucky after 2 years and 18k miles but enough to make such a marked difference? But still worth removing the insert while in there as it must be restrictive and yet another free mod :smiley: and a bit of weight saving to boot :wink: Unfortunately mine literally ended up in the boot so no saving there... :rolleyes:
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Interesting, I've been looking at this one form Forge Motorsports;
https://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/MQB_Chassis_VWAudiSeat_Mk7_GtiR_Leon_Cupra_280290_S3_8V_High_Flow_Inlet_Hose--product--1580.html
Same sort of product but manufactured in one piece with the hose, apparently these types of bolt on mods are good for 10% increase.
Did you remove the snow guard when you dropped in the K&N filter?
I did indeed removed the guard at the bottom of the air box. I have read that its the elbow which is the main restriction in the intake system, and that you get better results with a new elbow and panel filter than with an r600 intake kit for example. I've seen a few dyno comparisons as well, and you seem to get about 10 hp or there abouts.
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Interesting, I've been looking at this one form Forge Motorsports;
https://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/MQB_Chassis_VWAudiSeat_Mk7_GtiR_Leon_Cupra_280290_S3_8V_High_Flow_Inlet_Hose--product--1580.html
Same sort of product but manufactured in one piece with the hose, apparently these types of bolt on mods are good for 10% increase.
Did you remove the snow guard when you dropped in the K&N filter?
I did indeed removed the guard at the bottom of the air box. I have read that its the elbow which is the main restriction in the intake system, and that you get better results with a new elbow and panel filter than with an r600 intake kit for example. I've seen a few dyno comparisons as well, and you seem to get about 10 hp or there abouts.
As most of these parts are manufactured in China, I though I would take look on DHgate and Alibaba. Found loads of unbranded / generic tuning parts but min order for most is 10 units. For example you can purchase an unbranded turbo elbow for as little as $25 - $45 dollars a unit depending on volume.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Jagrow-performance-Golf-7-R-MK7_60703426175.html?spm=a2700.7724857.main07.12.2e44ad9d0c4OHp
Had a look on eBay also and found the follow;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-Golf-MK7-GTI-Seat-Cupra-Audi-S3-8V-2015-Free-Flow-Turbo-Inlet-Pipe-MQB-EA888/253114526129?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TURBO-EXHAUST-MUFFLER-DELETE-PIPE-VALVE-FOR-VW-AUDI-S1-1-8T-2-0T-GTI/371999246190?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Also found a guy selling genuine Clubsport S rear sway bars;
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-VW-Golf-Mk7-2013-Clubsport-S-Anti-Roll-Bar-5Q0511305BA/162611614597?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
I think all three will be going on my wish list for the new year. 😁
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So what's the difference between the racing line, forge or the eBay linked one??
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OP, or anyone else who has changed one of these, when you removed the standard part did you happen to notice if it was a snug or loose fit? In fiddling about under the bonnet today I noticed mine had quite a bit of movement and wasn't the tight fit I expected. Could it be it's built in slack as it'll tighten up with the turbo getting very hot? Thanks :smiley:
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Did you transfer the "O" ring from the old pipe to the new one? :nerd:
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Did you transfer the "O" ring from the old pipe to the new one? :nerd:
Thanks for the reply, I probably didn't clarify but I haven't removed the elbow, just the intake pipe and happened to notice it wasn't tight.
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How do you remove the guard at the bottom of the air box? Mine seems stuck on two sides but free on the other two.
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How do you remove the guard at the bottom of the air box? Mine seems stuck on two sides but free on the other two.
I had a bit of a fight getting mine out too. I don't recall it being clipped in anywhere, just very tight. I ebded up snapping a few of the vanes but it gave in eventually.
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Cheers Watts
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what does the guard actually do?
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Various options suggested here: http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?p=270799
Might be worth checking it's part number with VW, that'll give a better idea...
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It is actually called a snow guard but someone on another forum suggested it may be too distribute air evenly to the air filter.
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OP, or anyone else who has changed one of these, when you removed the standard part did you happen to notice if it was a snug or loose fit? In fiddling about under the bonnet today I noticed mine had quite a bit of movement and wasn't the tight fit I expected. Could it be it's built in slack as it'll tighten up with the turbo getting very hot? Thanks :smiley:
The one that comes on the car has one thick o ring, whereas the racingline one has two thinner ones. There should be no play in the elbow as it is a snug fit, and also has a little bracket which is secured onto the side of the turbo.
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OP, or anyone else who has changed one of these, when you removed the standard part did you happen to notice if it was a snug or loose fit? In fiddling about under the bonnet today I noticed mine had quite a bit of movement and wasn't the tight fit I expected. Could it be it's built in slack as it'll tighten up with the turbo getting very hot? Thanks :smiley:
The one that comes on the car has one thick o ring, whereas the racingline one has two thinner ones. There should be no play in the elbow as it is a snug fit, and also has a little bracket which is secured onto the side of the turbo.
Cheers, the bracket is secure just some lateral movement of the body. You've got me thinking now, will check again cold and hot in case turbo temperature has anything to do with it.
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Fitted the creation motorsport elbow at the weekend. The turbo spools up so much quicker and the throttle response is so much faster IMO a well worth mod for the money.
(Revo stage 2 Forge intake) :smiley:
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Fitted the creation motorsport elbow at the weekend. The turbo spools up so much quicker and the throttle response is so much faster IMO a well worth mod for the money.
(Revo stage 2 Forge intake) :smiley:
Nice one, still plan to get one myself! :grin:
Good to hear your impressed, want to add this with a GFB DV+.
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Already have one :smiley:
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Fitted the creation motorsport elbow at the weekend. The turbo spools up so much quicker and the throttle response is so much faster IMO a well worth mod for the money.
(Revo stage 2 Forge intake) :smiley:
And yet cheaper N better than a 'pedal box'?
I can resist everything except temptation!
Oscar Papa John...
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Interesting, I've been looking at this one form Forge Motorsports;
https://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/MQB_Chassis_VWAudiSeat_Mk7_GtiR_Leon_Cupra_280290_S3_8V_High_Flow_Inlet_Hose--product--1580.html
Same sort of product but manufactured in one piece with the hose, apparently these types of bolt on mods are good for 10% increase.
"Apparently" you are dreaming if you expect a turbo inlet will give anywhere near 10% power gains. 100$ or thereabouts spent in fuel are a far better investment for your car unless you're after the noise. All those piping upgrades esp. on these cars are waste of money unless as the very last mod on serious BT setups where a couple grand has already been spent already on the car and even then the gains are minimal. Lot of people confuse noise with power though so they keep having a market.
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Interesting, I've been looking at this one form Forge Motorsports;
https://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/MQB_Chassis_VWAudiSeat_Mk7_GtiR_Leon_Cupra_280290_S3_8V_High_Flow_Inlet_Hose--product--1580.html
Same sort of product but manufactured in one piece with the hose, apparently these types of bolt on mods are good for 10% increase.
"Apparently" you are dreaming if you expect a turbo inlet will give anywhere near 10% power gains. 100$ or thereabouts spent in fuel are a far better investment for your car unless you're after the noise. All those piping upgrades esp. on these cars are waste of money unless as the very last mod on serious BT setups where a couple grand has already been spent already on the car and even then the gains are minimal. Lot of people confuse noise with power though so they keep having a market.
I’m not fully convinced either hence the use of the word ‘apparently’, that said the design is a major improvement so must have some effect, so I do plan to give it a go if nothing more the increased intake sound and reported improved throttle repsonce are both appealing.
Taken from the Forge Motorsports website;
The Forge Motorsport high flow intake hose for the MQB platform 2.0 engines, eliminates the highly restrictive plastic inlet pipe, and replaces it with our smooth bore multi-ply silicone hose which increases air flow, improving efficiency and performance. This equates to increases of up to 10hp which is a remarkable gain for an easy to fit bolt on modification.
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I'm not convinced by these and intake pipe upgrades either but they certainly do make for a good bit of under-bonnet bling :smiley: Also like the idea of tinkering :whistle:
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Interesting, I've been looking at this one form Forge Motorsports;
https://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/MQB_Chassis_VWAudiSeat_Mk7_GtiR_Leon_Cupra_280290_S3_8V_High_Flow_Inlet_Hose--product--1580.html
Same sort of product but manufactured in one piece with the hose, apparently these types of bolt on mods are good for 10% increase.
"Apparently" you are dreaming if you expect a turbo inlet will give anywhere near 10% power gains. 100$ or thereabouts spent in fuel are a far better investment for your car unless you're after the noise. All those piping upgrades esp. on these cars are waste of money unless as the very last mod on serious BT setups where a couple grand has already been spent already on the car and even then the gains are minimal. Lot of people confuse noise with power though so they keep having a market.
I’m not fully convinced either hence the use of the word ‘apparently’, that said the design is a major improvement so must have some effect, so I do plan to give it a go if nothing more the increased intake sound and reported improved throttle repsonce are both appealing.
Taken from the Forge Motorsports website;
The Forge Motorsport high flow intake hose for the MQB platform 2.0 engines, eliminates the highly restrictive plastic inlet pipe, and replaces it with our smooth bore multi-ply silicone hose which increases air flow, improving efficiency and performance. This equates to increases of up to 10hp which is a remarkable gain for an easy to fit bolt on modification.
Ok, I interpreted "apparently" as something which has been proven with solid data and from what I've seen, all those items offer minimal gains at the range of 2-3% and even then only on stage 2+ cars which have anyway upgraded the rest of intake and piping as well. Forge says 10hp but is it 10hp on a stock 230bhp GTI or 10hp on a stage 2 320-330bhp one? Quite different case. And of-course every tuner advertises their product as the best thing since sliced bread that makes you wonder how come doesn't everybody have it on their car. Even those values are close enough to the statistical error you can expect from a dyno so... That been said nothing comes close to the miserable gain/cost ratio of intakes so you can consider an inlet the better choice to spend your money on I guess.
I would avoid silicone hose solutions like Forge's though when for roughly £20 more you can get proper billet aluminium CNC machined ones from CTS, APR and Racingline.
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I'm not convinced by these and intake pipe upgrades either but they certainly do make for a good bit of under-bonnet bling :smiley: Also like the idea of tinkering :whistle:
That I can definitely accept. It was the 10% gain quote that hit me hard. I've done most sorts of mods in my past cars and most of them if not a disappointment, at least didn't deliver half as much as the advertised gains. Stage 1 map is where the sweet stuff is. After that anything else until stage 3 and BT setups you're basically feeding your mod addiction and trying to convince yourself you're gaining so much :tongue:
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I don't know about the power increase, but I can say the throttle response is so much better especially in conjunction with a "pedal box " (sport setting). I haven't noticed much more induction noise either :smiley:
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Turbo inlet and muffler delete now on order from China, paid £84.90 delivered for both items at AliExpress.
https://www.aliexpress.com/
Delivery will probably take a few weeks, will post back once they arrive.
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Turbo inlet and muffler delete now on order from China, paid £84.90 delivered for both items at AliExpress.
https://www.aliexpress.com/
Delivery should only take a week, will post back once they arrive.
Have you got links for these on Ali Express? I'd definitely be interested in your thoughts, mostly the inlet pipe.
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Turbo inlet and muffler delete now on order from China, paid £84.90 delivered for both items at AliExpress.
https://www.aliexpress.com/
Delivery should only take a week, will post back once they arrive.
Have you got links for these on Ali Express? I'd definitely be interested in your thoughts, mostly the inlet pipe.
Here you go;
VW Racing turbo inlet £37.84 +p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32839121999.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.EBwQSA
CTS Turbo inlet £36.38 +p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Turbo-Inlet-Pipe-golf-GTI-Golf-R-7-mk7-A3-S3-VRS-5E-TT-TTS/32813280812.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.W9qQyR
Turbo muffler delete £20.08 + p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Turbo-Muffler-Delete-A3-S3-8V-SEAT-MQB-Golf-MK7-GTi-1-8-2-0-TSi/32812446966.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.W9qQyR
Scorpion high flow downpipe inc 200cell Racing cats £175.33 +p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MERTOP-Race-High-Flow-VW-Golf-MK7-GTI-2-0-TSI-Downpipe-2013/32789036666.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.Em9umS
Although delivery looks like it will take a few weeks, but hopefully be worth the wait.
Matt
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Here you go;
VW Racing turbo inlet £37.84 +p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32839121999.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.EBwQSA
CTS Turbo inlet £36.38 +p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Turbo-Inlet-Pipe-golf-GTI-Golf-R-7-mk7-A3-S3-VRS-5E-TT-TTS/32813280812.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.W9qQyR
Turbo muffler delete £20.08 + p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Turbo-Muffler-Delete-A3-S3-8V-SEAT-MQB-Golf-MK7-GTi-1-8-2-0-TSi/32812446966.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.W9qQyR
Scorpion high flow downpipe inc 200cell Racing cats £175.33 +p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MERTOP-Race-High-Flow-VW-Golf-MK7-GTI-2-0-TSI-Downpipe-2013/32789036666.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.Em9umS
Although delivery looks like it will take a few weeks, but hopefully be worth the wait.
Matt
Personally I would never consider buying from such places anything more valuable than a cup holder, let alone anything for the engine bay. Also there is a lable of Racingline and item looks identical but it's advertised as Mertop Race, are those knock-offs or what? At 1/4 of the typical UK retail price I'd guess so.
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Here you go;
VW Racing turbo inlet £37.84 +p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32839121999.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.EBwQSA
CTS Turbo inlet £36.38 +p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Turbo-Inlet-Pipe-golf-GTI-Golf-R-7-mk7-A3-S3-VRS-5E-TT-TTS/32813280812.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.W9qQyR
Turbo muffler delete £20.08 + p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Turbo-Muffler-Delete-A3-S3-8V-SEAT-MQB-Golf-MK7-GTi-1-8-2-0-TSi/32812446966.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.W9qQyR
Scorpion high flow downpipe inc 200cell Racing cats £175.33 +p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MERTOP-Race-High-Flow-VW-Golf-MK7-GTI-2-0-TSI-Downpipe-2013/32789036666.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.Em9umS
Although delivery looks like it will take a few weeks, but hopefully be worth the wait.
Matt
Personally I would never consider buying from such places anything more valuable than a cup holder, let alone anything for the engine bay. Also there is a lable of Racingline and item looks identical but it's advertised as Mertop Race, are those knock-offs or what? At 1/4 of the typical UK retail price I'd guess so.
Do you really think companies like VWR, CTS, Forge, APR etc manufacture all these products in-house?
They are all produced in China, Mertop manufacture parts for loads of different companies. These are not fakes or replicas but the actual items.
I,ve just got back from the SEMA show in Las Vegas, SEMA (specialist equipment market association) is a trade only show for the motoring industry and got the chance to visit some of these Chinese manufacturers in the flesh.
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Here you go;
VW Racing turbo inlet £37.84 +p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32839121999.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.EBwQSA
CTS Turbo inlet £36.38 +p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Turbo-Inlet-Pipe-golf-GTI-Golf-R-7-mk7-A3-S3-VRS-5E-TT-TTS/32813280812.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.W9qQyR
Turbo muffler delete £20.08 + p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Turbo-Muffler-Delete-A3-S3-8V-SEAT-MQB-Golf-MK7-GTi-1-8-2-0-TSi/32812446966.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.W9qQyR
Scorpion high flow downpipe inc 200cell Racing cats £175.33 +p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MERTOP-Race-High-Flow-VW-Golf-MK7-GTI-2-0-TSI-Downpipe-2013/32789036666.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.Em9umS
Although delivery looks like it will take a few weeks, but hopefully be worth the wait.
Matt
Personally I would never consider buying from such places anything more valuable than a cup holder, let alone anything for the engine bay. Also there is a lable of Racingline and item looks identical but it's advertised as Mertop Race, are those knock-offs or what? At 1/4 of the typical UK retail price I'd guess so.
Do you really think companies like VWR, CTS, Forge, APR etc manufacture all these products in-house?
They are all produced in China, Mertop manufacture parts for loads of different companies. These are not fakes or replicas but the actual items.
I,ve just got back from the SEMA show in Las Vegas, SEMA (specialist equipment market association) is a trade only show for the motoring industry and got the chance to visit some of these Chinese manufacturers in the flesh.
Tricky to know the legitimacy of these products but yeah of course everything is made in China. Thanks for the links, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts when fitting these products. Turbo inlet is extremely tempting!
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Here you go;
VW Racing turbo inlet £37.84 +p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32839121999.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.EBwQSA
CTS Turbo inlet £36.38 +p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Turbo-Inlet-Pipe-golf-GTI-Golf-R-7-mk7-A3-S3-VRS-5E-TT-TTS/32813280812.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.W9qQyR
Turbo muffler delete £20.08 + p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Turbo-Muffler-Delete-A3-S3-8V-SEAT-MQB-Golf-MK7-GTi-1-8-2-0-TSi/32812446966.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.W9qQyR
Scorpion high flow downpipe inc 200cell Racing cats £175.33 +p&p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MERTOP-Race-High-Flow-VW-Golf-MK7-GTI-2-0-TSI-Downpipe-2013/32789036666.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.Em9umS
Although delivery looks like it will take a few weeks, but hopefully be worth the wait.
Matt
Personally I would never consider buying from such places anything more valuable than a cup holder, let alone anything for the engine bay. Also there is a lable of Racingline and item looks identical but it's advertised as Mertop Race, are those knock-offs or what? At 1/4 of the typical UK retail price I'd guess so.
Do you really think companies like VWR, CTS, Forge, APR etc manufacture all these products in-house?
They are all produced in China, Mertop manufacture parts for loads of different companies. These are not fakes or replicas but the actual items.
I,ve just got back from the SEMA show in Las Vegas, SEMA (specialist equipment market association) is a trade only show for the motoring industry and got the chance to visit some of these Chinese manufacturers in the flesh.
Well I know APR manufactures lots of their products in house, hence why they have bought related workshops over the years but made in China or not is not the point I made. The iPhone is also made in China and sold for 700$ while there is an identical looking device called probably ChiPhone sold for 150$ which is also made in China but they are not the same products. I don't disagree that there can be quality Chinese manufacturers my question was simply wether the VWR turbo inlet for example is indeed the original RacingLine item or a "like RacingLine" knock-off made from a cheaper alloy and worse tolerances? Does VWR certify those items to be the exact same items you can buy in the UK?
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Well I know APR manufactures lots of their products in house, hence why they have bought related workshops over the years but made in China or not is not the point I made. The iPhone is also made in China and sold for 700$ while there is an identical looking device called probably ChiPhone sold for 150$ which is also made in China but they are not the same products. I don't disagree that there can be quality Chinese manufacturers my question was simply wether the VWR turbo inlet for example is indeed the original RacingLine item or a "like RacingLine" knock-off made from a cheaper alloy and worse tolerances? Does VWR certify those items to be the exact same items you can buy in the UK?
During my long career I have been responsible for sourcing products made in the Far East for two completely different industries over the last 20 years.
The one thing in common is that all these companies like to let slip or brag who they make for. So, while I can’t 100% confirm if Mertop manufacture the VWR turbo inlet I can assume it’s a safe bet.
When a company like Mertop produces a new performance part, they will offer it out to suppliers. If one supplier does not buy exclusive rights, the product is made available to everyone and is simply private labelled. CTS buy in from China but also have the product packaged in a custom printed box with an instruction sheet etc which all adds to the cost.
I ordered the CTS ‘type’ turbo inlet as the same supplier also stocks the muffler delete, so saved on the postage. The product I expect to receive will be totally generic and not come with any instructions, custom printed box or be branded in any way.
Any way will update this thread when I receive the products, and if they are poorly made / or don’t fit I will let everyone know, but not worried in anyway.
I’ve seen some of the iPhone fakes, most of these are Android based with an OS that mimics Apple’s own and as for APR they seem to be having a tough time of late with their exhaust systems.
http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6640
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During my long career I have been responsible for sourcing products made in the Far East for two completely different industries over the last 20 years.
The one thing in common is that all these companies like to let slip or brag who they make for. So, while I can’t 100% confirm if Mertop manufacture the VWR turbo inlet I can assume it’s a safe bet.
When a company like Mertop produces a new performance part, they will offer it out to suppliers. If one supplier does not buy exclusive rights, the product is made available to everyone and is simply private labelled. CTS buy in from China but also have the product packaged in a custom printed box with an instruction sheet etc which all adds to the cost.
I ordered the CTS ‘type’ turbo inlet as the same supplier also stocks the muffler delete, so saved on the postage. The product I expect to receive will be totally generic and not come with any instructions, custom printed box or be branded in any way.
Any way will update this thread when I receive the products, and if they are poorly made / or don’t fit I will let everyone know, but not worried in anyway.
I’ve seen some of the iPhone fakes, most of these are Android based with an OS that mimics Apple’s own and as for APR they seem to be having a tough time of late with their exhaust systems.
http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6640
Re APR it is old news for anyone into VAG modding but good that you bring it up because it was precisely after that "scandal" I believe that APR acquired the means to do their exhausts themselves - that was what I was referring to by making stuff in-house. Now, that is a good example also in the sense that you can only imagine, if a subcontractor cheats the main company in the way it manufactures their items as in the APR case, what is possible when they are free from meeting any requirements in the case of knock-offs... As I am in the design and manufacturing business myself, I know that going with tight tolerances and TUV certified alloys can make quite a difference in price and we often get suggestions from workshops to switch to other "similar" alloys they have in stock for a lower price in exchange when we are pushing for price reductions. Maybe nothing will ever happen to a turbo elbow made from a slightly different material than VWR designed it for but you get the point. Out of curiosity do we know if VWR is supposed to make their stuff in UK/Europe/China? I mean officially.
Also, I can't see how cheaping out on a 100$ item for a 30K car makes sense for all the manufacturing uncertainties and lack of official support/warranty it brings but maybe it's just my back-ground and experience to blame for this.
PS. I agree the iPhone example can not be a 100% analogy as the OS remains a big difference that can't be copied but I was focusing on the hardware similarities.
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Re APR it is old news for anyone into VAG modding but good that you bring it up because it was precisely after that "scandal" I believe that APR acquired the means to do their exhausts themselves - that was what I was referring to by making stuff in-house. Now, that is a good example also in the sense that you can only imagine, if a subcontractor cheats the main company in the way it manufactures their items as in the APR case, what is possible when they are free from meeting any requirements in the case of knock-offs... As I am in the design and manufacturing business myself, I know that going with tight tolerances and TUV certified alloys can make quite a difference in price and we often get suggestions from workshops to switch to other "similar" alloys they have in stock for a lower price in exchange when we are pushing for price reductions. Maybe nothing will ever happen to a turbo elbow made from a slightly different material than VWR designed it for but you get the point. Out of curiosity do we know if VWR is supposed to make their stuff in UK/Europe/China? I mean officially.
Also, I can't see how cheaping out on a 100$ item for a 30K car makes sense for all the manufacturing uncertainties and lack of official support/warranty it brings but maybe it's just my back-ground and experience to blame for this.
PS. I agree the iPhone example can not be a 100% analogy as the OS remains a big difference that can't be copied but I was focusing on the hardware similarities.
I do think you are worrying to much, after all is it not worth a punt at £80 just to see?
These are simple mass-produced parts, which I sure will fit fine. After-all the customer reviews are all good, only poor reviews are for lost deliveries from Russian customers. If you’ve ever tried shipping product into Russia you know that this is not uncommon.
On my list of possible mods is a GFB DV+, now as this has moving parts I’d probably opt to buy an original if I go for one. But for the turbo muffler delete and inlet I have no such concerns. Just don’t see the point in spending money for the ‘branding’ when an unbranded generic part will work equally well.
Did you ever find anyone with a CSS and OBDeleven/VCDS, would still like to know if the diff setting are set to 'increased traction'?
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Re APR it is old news for anyone into VAG modding but good that you bring it up because it was precisely after that "scandal" I believe that APR acquired the means to do their exhausts themselves - that was what I was referring to by making stuff in-house. Now, that is a good example also in the sense that you can only imagine, if a subcontractor cheats the main company in the way it manufactures their items as in the APR case, what is possible when they are free from meeting any requirements in the case of knock-offs... As I am in the design and manufacturing business myself, I know that going with tight tolerances and TUV certified alloys can make quite a difference in price and we often get suggestions from workshops to switch to other "similar" alloys they have in stock for a lower price in exchange when we are pushing for price reductions. Maybe nothing will ever happen to a turbo elbow made from a slightly different material than VWR designed it for but you get the point. Out of curiosity do we know if VWR is supposed to make their stuff in UK/Europe/China? I mean officially.
Also, I can't see how cheaping out on a 100$ item for a 30K car makes sense for all the manufacturing uncertainties and lack of official support/warranty it brings but maybe it's just my back-ground and experience to blame for this.
PS. I agree the iPhone example can not be a 100% analogy as the OS remains a big difference that can't be copied but I was focusing on the hardware similarities.
I do think you are worrying to much, after all is it not worth a punt at £80 just to see?
These are simple mass-produced parts, which I sure will fit fine. After-all the customer reviews are all good, only poor reviews are for lost deliveries from Russian customers. If you’ve ever tried shipping product into Russia you know that this is not uncommon.
On my list of possible mods is a GFB DV+, now as this has moving parts I’d probably opt to buy an original if I go for one. But for the turbo muffler delete and inlet I have no such concerns. Just don’t see the point in spending money for the ‘branding’ when an unbranded generic part will work equally well.
Did you ever find anyone with a CSS and OBDeleven/VCDS, would still like to know if the diff setting are set to 'increased traction'?
Yes probably a small piece of piping would be ok, (although my preoccupation would dictate otherwise). And no, I didn't find any CSS owner replying to my request... :undecided: Those CSS owners are hard to reach!
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Well my little trial order from Aliexpress turned up last week and as promised here's my findings.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/7MAT/tip4_zps7ajsisw5.jpg)
On first inspection both items looked to be spot on. The turbo muffler delete is very well made. :wink:
Sadly the 'CTS type' turbo inlet fitted okay but the bracket didn't line up correctly see image below. :embarrassed:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/7MAT/tip3_zpsf51sovmb.jpg)
Which is a shame as its obviously a second, have been in touch with the vendor and have accepted a refund.
Went to re-order the Mertop 'VWR type' inlet but these have now been removed from sale? I wonder if VWR had anything to do with that?
So in the end I went for the Creations Motorsport turbo inlet @ £59 with Black Friday discount, being delivered tomorrow.
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Well my little trial order from Aliexpress turned up last week and as promised here's my findings.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/7MAT/tip4_zps7ajsisw5.jpg)
On first inspection both items looked to be spot on. The turbo muffler delete is very well made. :wink:
Thanks for posting the pic of the turbo elbow as it pretty much clears it up for me. It looks identical in shape to the VWR but it's obviously not the exact same thing. Compared to the VWR item (below) it lacks the clean polished finish (has a grainy texture instead), possibly the hard anodization also, and the welds also seem less tidy especially around the small pipe and the bracket. I would also bet it's not made from 6061-T6 Al but from a lesser alloy. Does it matter for the particular application? Maybe not, it just confirms my original assumption that we are talking about a copycat and not just the same item in de-branded form, hence the great price difference.
(http://www.vagcafe.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Turbooutlet1.jpg)
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I didn't purchase the VWR type, I purchased the CTS Turbo version! So unfortunately proves nothing.
I have mention that twice now, the CTS inlet looks identical to the one I received.
Even found a post online with a guy who purhased the CTS Turbo inlet direct from CTS with the same fitment issue.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7886593-CTS-turbo-inlet-pipe
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Thanks for posting that up Matt, very interesting, good of you too to give it a go. Keep us posted with your findings with the replacement.
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I didn't purchase the VWR type, I purchased the CTS Turbo version! So unfortunately proves nothing.
I have mention that twice now, the CTS inlet looks identical to the one I received.
Even found a post online with a guy who purhased the CTS Turbo inlet direct from CTS with the same fitment issue.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7886593-CTS-turbo-inlet-pipe
Sorry I thought we had been talking about the VWR item so far, I missed the part that you said you bought the CTS version, I read back some posts and found it now. Was actually puzzled as to how you didn't mention the obvious differences between them. From the post you quoted seems their turbo inlet is known to have fitment issues though. Would be interesting to actually have the VWR style and check quality but it's not an option any more.
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I didn't purchase the VWR type, I purchased the CTS Turbo version! So unfortunately proves nothing.
I have mention that twice now, the CTS inlet looks identical to the one I received.
Even found a post online with a guy who purhased the CTS Turbo inlet direct from CTS with the same fitment issue.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7886593-CTS-turbo-inlet-pipe
Sorry I thought we had been talking about the VWR item so far, I missed the part that you said you bought the CTS version, I read back some posts and found it now. Was actually puzzled as to how you didn't mention the obvious differences between them. From the post you quoted seems their turbo inlet is known to have fitment issues though. Would be interesting to actually have the VWR style and check quality but it's not an option any more.
Yes I do wish now that I had purchased the VWR type from Mertop originally, as you say it would of been interesting to see.
It's still for sale on Alibaba, but I believe the minimum order qty is 10 units. :shocked:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/MERTOP-Golf-MK7-GTI-Golf-MK7_60696420126.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.18.37bdb133EkRWMv
Will report back once again when I fit the Creation Motorsport Turbo Inlet.
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Finally received the Creation Motorsports Turbo Inlet, unfortunately they shipped it to my home address and not my work address so only picked it up at the weekend.
The good news is the quality of the Creation Motorsports turbo inlet is superb. I really like how they have branded the product in a discreet way. Once fitted you can't see the logo's which I prefer, as the engine bay still looks stock.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/7MAT/inlet2_zpsbxhqpt2t.jpg)
Only driven a few miles with it fitted, all of which has been in wet and rainy weather. That said I can't really feel any difference (butt dyno) nor can I hear any increases in induction sound. :huh:
Only other changes are a Pipercross drop in filter and snow guard removed.
Now just waiting for a dry day so that I give it a proper test, but not expecting much to be honest ....
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That does look a well engineered part though Matt, especially next to the standard plastic part. Looking forward to your further observations. Have you fitted the muffler delete yet?
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Finally received the Creation Motorsports Turbo Inlet, unfortunately they shipped it to my home address and not my work address so only picked it up at the weekend.
The good news is the quality of the Creation Motorsports turbo inlet is superb. I really like how they have branded the product in a discreet way. Once fitted you can't see the logo's which I prefer, as the engine bay still looks stock.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/7MAT/inlet2_zpsbxhqpt2t.jpg)
Only driven a few miles with it fitted, all of which has been in wet and rainy weather. That said I can't really feel any difference (butt dyno) nor can I hear any increases in induction sound. :huh:
Only other changes are a Pipercross drop in filter and snow guard removed.
Now just waiting for a dry day so that I give it a proper test, but not expecting much to be honest ....
Looks good, did you use the standard pipe from the air box to the elbow?
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Is this easy to fit?
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In answer to all the questions;
I'm yet to install the turbo muffler delete as I wanted to test out each item on its own.
Super easy to fit, take out the airbox, remove 8mm bolt from turbo inlet bracket, and then simply twist to remove. Took me no longer than 10 minutes. You also need to remove the rubber seal from the original inlet and use with the new one.
And yes I've kept the original plastic tubing, so the engine bay looks stock.
Had dry-ish roads on my route to work this morning, so once warm I gave her some beans. The car felt alive, its hard to tell if theres any real improvement but I did have a massive grin on my face.
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Looking at this test, I can't imagine you'd feel much difference?
https://www.mishimoto.com/engineering/2015/11/volkswagen-mk7-gti-induction-part-3-dyno-testing-results/
Its a fairly minor tweak which is probably more about being one of several different things to achieve a larger ultimate performance goal?
+5ps from this, +5 from something else, +50 from a stage 1 tune, +20 from an exhaust and the sum of the parts?
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That'll be the same then with people with a standard GTi to a PP GTi??
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That'll be the same then with people with a standard GTi to a PP GTi??
Are you referring to the mishimoto intake? If so, there's virtually no gains on it - the quoted maximum gains only occur where the torque/power curves have shifted in comparison to revs between 4,500 and 5,000rpm with minor gains (and some losses) at other rev ranges. Are intake mods worth it on a standard car, considering the cost? IMHO not really. Once you get up to Stage 3 levels, then you will see a more pronounced improvement as the limitations of the stock intake system become more apparent.
Let's put it this way - even at stage 1 levels (DTUK Tuning box) I removed my Pipercross induction kit and sold it on as there was absolutely no noticeable gains.