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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Golf mk7 GTD/TDI => Topic started by: Exonian on 01 February 2017, 17:37
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http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/18077-why-do-most-gtd-owners-drive-like-complete-idiots/
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I've been driving like Miss Daisy, but then again we have just got the car, so taking it easy! :smiley:
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http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/18077-why-do-most-gtd-owners-drive-like-complete-idiots/
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Andy_r had it spot on. I drive quickly mainly due to there not being enough hours in the day but I don't drive like a tw@t either. I drive at the same speed in my wife's car but in that it seems like I'm driving like Miss daisy.
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VWROC and R owners at its finest
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http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/18077-why-do-most-gtd-owners-drive-like-complete-idiots/
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The swines!. :grin:
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Lots of snobbery on that site, but early days before the R was here, there was a lot of GTD bashing by GTI owners here and there's a much smaller performance gap. Off the line the R is massively ahead of both the GTI and GTD due to a complete lack of tramping/wheelspin. Once moving though - a GTD driven hard keeps up with an R that isn't being driven to the max.
As someone who's had both GTD and R, I do prefer my R, but if my GTD didn't have tramp-happy Bridgestones (or if i'd binned them early), i'd have been happy with my DTUK'd GTD.
Nutters drive all sorts. A bit of generalisation here, but most nutters I see are driving newish Audi A4 2.0TDIs or old BMW 3s, old Astras and old Corsas. I find the oblivious most annoying on the road - those who drift across a 2 lane roundabout and back again -cutting a straight line through it, without really considering what they've done or who they've cut up to do it and are astounded when someone blasts their horn at them for it - and those types drive all sorts.
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Tis a shame that some (not all my any means) "R" owners think that anything less than an R is peasant fodder.
Wonder what the people that drive "proper" sport cars (thinking the exotica supercars etc) think of "R" owners - wannabees !!
There's nearly always someone who drives something faster.
For instance, my 2 nephews own their own very successful business called "Tuning Developments", and they specialize in tuning mainly Japanese cars of varying vintages and their forte's are Toyota's They have a number of "demo"cars including a track only Celica GT4 heavily modified with just under 900hp, a modified GT84 with just under 500hp and their sleeper (and every day car), a battered up old Toyota Corolla, with an engine and running gear transplant from a GT4 running just under 450hp but in a car weighing nothing. this thing eats Porsche's and BMW M cars for breakfast and the look on the drivers faces when an old Corolla blast past them from the lights is most amusing. Like I said, there's nearly always something faster.
In any case, whilst I am sure there are nutters driving GTD balls out, there's a far share of GTI and especially R owners doing the same thing. There's one that lives near me that's had his Lapis Blue R for about 18 months now, but has been parked up for nearly 6 months. Reason being he's banned. He was a constant tool and an annoyance in our area as we have a dual carriage way near us, but it's 30mph only, reason being it's a built up area and there are 2 primary schools along it's 1½ mile length and a number of pre-school nurseries, as well as an old peoples home. He was constantly seem hammering his "R" up it at ridiculous speeds, and was finally caught last autumn when the Police had a campaign to catch speeding drivers and (from what I heard form a good friend that knows him), was caught and banned for doing 86mph in a 30 zone !!!
See, it's not just GTD owners.....now don't get me started on Audi and BMW drivers... :laugh:
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He was seemingly complaining that he was being outpaced by those crazy GTD boys. Perhaps he should have bought a Micra if he wanted to drive like granddad ;-)
No, I suspect the problem (if there is one) is that GTD drivers are more likely to be company car drivers and you tend to make "rapid progress" when you are a high mileage business driver, even when its your day off.
I've calmed down a lot now I am old, but I used to bomb around for work all the time 6 days a week. Didn't matter if I was driving an Escort or a Cavalier, its pedal to the metal all the time and you curse the amateur drivers who only turn a wheel once a week. You didn't need to have the fastest car, you were always actually the driver going fastest at all times.
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He was seemingly complaining that he was being outpaced by those crazy GTD boys. Perhaps he should have bought a Micra if he wanted to drive like granddad ;-)
No, I suspect the problem (if there is one) is that GTD drivers are more likely to be company car drivers and you tend to make "rapid progress" when you are a high mileage business driver, even when its your day off.
I've calmed down a lot now I am old, but I used to bomb around for work all the time 6 days a week. Didn't matter if I was driving an Escort or a Cavalier, its pedal to the metal all the time and you curse the amateur drivers who only turn a wheel once a week. You didn't need to have the fastest car, you were always actually the driver going fastest at all times.
Company car owners also don't have to worry about fuels costs.
Adriver aiming for 40mpg in a GTD is going to be able to drive it a lot harder than one in a GTI or R trying to maintain 40mpg.
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No, I suspect the problem (if there is one) is that GTD drivers are more likely to be company car drivers and you tend to make "rapid progress" when you are a high mileage business driver, even when its your day off.
"Making progress" in a car does not mean that you're driving like a maniac - in fact for advanced driving, you are encouraged to make progress safely - and not all company car drivers drive like maniacs. There are too many people on the road who drive poorly and don't pay any attention to anything outside of their box...
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Of course not all company car drivers drive like maniacs.
As I said, I am old and slow now, sticking to the speed limits at all times.
So that's at least one :D
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So thoroughly enjoying my S1 at i may add sensible speeds!......only wanted it for the roof spoiler, it's a stop gap car till the mk8 golf arrives :smiley:
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As if by magic, I was burned off whilst doing my 'Miss Daisy' driving today, by a very rapidly travelling blue Golf R!
If only he knew I was on the school run and running ma baby GTD in, perhaps he/she wouldn't have so aggressively passed me on the slip road. Good thing was, I got to hear an R at full bore! Very nice indeed..
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As if by magic, I was burned off whilst doing my 'Miss Daisy' driving today, by a very rapidly travelling blue Golf R!
If only he knew I was on the school run and running ma baby GTD in, perhaps he/she wouldn't have so aggressively passed me on the slip road. Good thing was, I got to hear an R at full bore! Very nice indeed..
You should not be driving like miss Daisy when running in - it's as bad for the car as cold thrashing. But yes, an R at full acceleration sounds great (I do like to induce that noise regularly!).
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As if by magic, I was burned off whilst doing my 'Miss Daisy' driving today, by a very rapidly travelling blue Golf R!
If only he knew I was on the school run and running ma baby GTD in, perhaps he/she wouldn't have so aggressively passed me on the slip road. Good thing was, I got to hear an R at full bore! Very nice indeed..
You should not be driving like miss Daisy when running in - it's as bad for the car as cold thrashing. But yes, an R at full acceleration sounds great (I do like to induce that noise regularly!).
Miss Daisy in a moderate hurry for some Fried Green Tomato's!? :smiley:
We have been told, to take it easy and only use up to 3,000 rpm, but still use all the functions, like ECO, NORMAL & SPORT modes, by VW . Also it states to drive gently for the first 1000km and gently build up from 1000-1500km, in the VW Bible of a handbook. Obviously we are not letting the engine labour though, as this is bad!
But hey, if you any knowledge on how best to run a new car in, please kindly share, would be appreciated. Loving the R btw, dream car that, as is a GTD!
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GTDING:
I've had 8 new VWs (7 of them TDIs), and one of them (a 2005 Golf GT 140TDI) was run in on motorway miles (800 miles sat mainly sat at 80 in 6th doing 2200rpm) That car dropped to amber oil top up warning at 350 miles, took a litre of oil, 450 miles later took another litre, then took a litre every 1000 miles thereafter. MPG was crap on it and it was sluggish.
Every other one i've had has been run in on mixed miles, using up to 2/3 throttle for the first 500 miles, 3/4 throttle for the next 500 miles and then do what you like with it thereafter (obviously don't hoof it before the oil has warmed up. None of the others have used a drop of oil between services and have had pretty good mpg.
If you baby it your rings won't be seated well, you might get glazed bores and both of those things give poor mpg and high oil consumption. I wouldn't be scared of taking it above 3000 revs at any stage of the running in period ( once the oil is warm), but i'd keeping it below 4000 revs.
The R is great - that had an enthusiastic run in and i'm averaging 33mpg in it without holding back (and without driving like a nutter constantly) - more than I thought I would be getting.
I found the MK7 GTD ran best on Esso diesel, and ran poorly on Shell V-power.
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Thanks monkeyhanger. I've been doing a mixture of town driving, as we actually live in a town and then 50mph A roads, then bit more town (well village) driving, then A road, then town...ok you get my drift (its the school run, but a long one!). Done a couple of motorway trips of 10 miles each, speeds up to 60-70mph there.
Nearly on 400 miles now. Checking for oil consumption; none as yet and I never thrash a cold engine ever.
Before taking delivery I read this: https://www.theaa.com/car-buying/running-in-a-new-car
I reckon the AA must know a thing or two about cars and problems with cars, so I have followed this to the letter. All good so far. I'd rather keep it to max 3,000rpm as they recommend. If you look at what they say about petrol engines, it does indeed say rev to 4,000rpm when reaching 500-600 miles, but only to 3,000rpm before this mileage.
I appreciate your staple diet of VW's! I'm guessing (only guessing) your present car is your favorite of all, the R? Interesting about the ESSO tiger :wink: fuel, I've always thought Shell to be the best, with BP fairly close to it..
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^ My previous TDIs before the GTD used to have a slight preference for Shell, but I found that the GTD was noticeably thirstier and more sluggish on it - more so V-power Diesel. It is less calorific than regular diesel due to the synthesised content having a shorter average hydrocarbon chain length and lowish Cetane number. It is cleaner, with more detergents, so will help a dirty old engine - but not a clean new one. First few tanks the GTD got were V-power and as soon as I tried other fuels my mpg went up 10% with more response.
From my GTD experience, Esso/BP/Sainsburys were a lot better than Shell/Morrisons.
If you haven't got there yet, when your car hits about 620 miles (equivalent to 1000km), the car will open up a bit. It has been like clockwork on the last 3 VWs, which makes me think that there is a VW rngine management running in program going on.
The R is a complete beast, probably my favourite VW, second favourite being a 2011 170TDI Scirocco. If you haven't got Bridgestones (which will make the car tramp a lot unless you have a very light right foot), a DTUK or JB1 box will transform the GTD - It will pull as hard in 6th as it currently does in 4th!
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Thanks, good to know someone with all that experience in the cars.
Sorry for my ignorance but, what are DTUK and JB1 boxes? Coming from a 64bhp Skoda, the GTD feels Starship Enterprise fast to me already! :grin:
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Thanks, good to know someone with all that experience in the cars.
Sorry for my ignorance but, what are DTUK and JB1 boxes? Coming from a 64bhp Skoda, the GTD feels Starship Enterprise fast to me already! :grin:
They'll get you up to 240PS and 500Nm of Torque without noticeably affecting your fuel economy. I had one on my GTD and then my Dad inherited my DTUK box for his GTD. The GTD's drivetrain is comfortably overengineered - lots of people here have run one without issue. I'd have one on my R if only for the fact that VW put a "just enough" clutch in the GTI and R which would have a very high possibility of slipping - I don't know anyone with a GTD whose clutch slipped after fitting a tuning box.
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That is silly power n' torque! :grin:
I'm happy with the standard at the mo, as I say, it's light years ahead of my previous stead.
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DTUK is the way forward mate.
Don't bother with any others. Easy to fit, easy to remove for the visit to the dealer for warranty work.
Have a look on here, you get a forum discount too.
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DTUK is the way forward mate.
Don't bother with any others. Easy to fit, easy to remove for the visit to the dealer for warranty work.
Have a look on here, you get a forum discount too.
I've been told today by VW service dealer the GTD will do nearly 20,000 miles before first oil change and service!! I looked at him like he was full of ####, but looking at the service/oil change info on the Infotainment System, it does indeed say the first service is at 19,000 and the oil at about 18,500. Amazing! Things sure have changed haven't they!?
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VW have two different service routines:
Flexible interval
Set up this way you can theoretically get up to 2 years or 18,000 miles between servicing. I say theoretically as the car monitors driving style (nos of short runs, no of starts etc) and monitors oil quality etc, and will then determine when the service is due, so it might be sooner than you think.
Time and Distance
Set up this way the car is designed to be serviced every 12 months or approx 10,000 miles (whichever comes sooner), and is on a count down basis.
It seems all new cars come from the factory set up as Flexible Interval, but if you are only doing small annual mileages, you can have it changed to Time and Distance which is the recommended interval for mileages of less than around 10-12k per annum.
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DTUK is the way forward mate.
Don't bother with any others. Easy to fit, easy to remove for the visit to the dealer for warranty work.
Have a look on here, you get a forum discount too.
Do DTUK come out to you and fit it too, via a mobile service? Tempted abit, I must say. Could a complete amateur remove the equipment?
Also what is a DTUK pedal box?
I've been told today by VW service dealer the GTD will do nearly 20,000 miles before first oil change and service!! I looked at him like he was full of ####, but looking at the service/oil change info on the Infotainment System, it does indeed say the first service is at 19,000 and the oil at about 18,500. Amazing! Things sure have changed haven't they!?
The DTUK Boxes on the GTD an TDI 150 engines is very easy to install and remove there are 2 sensors for the CRDT+ and 3 for the newer CRD3+ im using the CRDT+ and it took no more than 3 min to fit and that was tucking all the cables harness away tidily. I think they do offer a fitting service but best to check but there is almost no need for a fitting service on the GTD.
The box does wonders to the car and i have got to say im going to hate pulling it off and driving the car without it for my upcoming service :sad:
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Very easy to fit.
The pedal box is like sport mode does to throttle response only it's adjustable to suit what you want, from a tiny increase to whooooooosh! You know, the stars all blur to lines :-)
Also quite easy to fit. Very good if added to the tuning box. Serious performance.
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Very easy to fit.
The pedal box is like sport mode does to throttle response only it's adjustable to suit what you want, from a tiny increase to whooooooosh! You know, the stars all blur to lines :-)
Also quite easy to fit. Very good if added to the tuning box. Serious performance.
Thanks, so where does the pedal box fit on the car and how do you adjust it?
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Very easy to fit.
The pedal box is like sport mode does to throttle response only it's adjustable to suit what you want, from a tiny increase to whooooooosh! You know, the stars all blur to lines :-)
Also quite easy to fit. Very good if added to the tuning box. Serious performance.
Thanks, so where does the pedal box fit on the car and how do you adjust it?
It connects to the throttle pedal and ecu, and is adjusted via a handheld control unit. Have a look in this how to install thread to give you an idea of how it fits etc.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=276517.0
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VW have two different service routines:
Flexible interval
Set up this way you can theoretically get up to 2 years or 18,000 miles between servicing. I say theoretically as the car monitors driving style (nos of short runs, no of starts etc) and monitors oil quality etc, and will then determine when the service is due, so it might be sooner than you think.
Time and Distance
Set up this way the car is designed to be serviced every 12 months or approx 10,000 miles (whichever comes sooner), and is on a count down basis.
It seems all new cars come from the factory set up as Flexible Interval, but if you are only doing small annual mileages, you can have it changed to Time and Distance which is the recommended interval for mileages of less than around 10-12k per annum.
The service guy said its the Flexible service that we would be getting. Though I'm not sure we will be doing 20k a year. I'll have to ask whether we can bring the service forward, if we do a lot less than that.
Though its going to the garage already, as the auto hold will not stop holding! So its b#ggered and the VW master tech now has to sort it out. Worried we got ourselves a lemon. Not saying all GTD's are lemons though.
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GTDING: About 10 years ago, all the car manufacturers were pushing 20k miles servicing as the best thing since sliced bread, my first MK5 was on the regime and on mixed miles, doing about 10k miles per year, I got 15k miles when the first service was due and 17k miles for the second service.
If you are only going to do 10k miles per year, you can ask your dealership to set your car to fixed service intervals.