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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: ccaasjf on 04 June 2017, 09:40
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Hiya,
Is it me but do you think this option takes some character away from the dash area because it is so flat. Personally if I was ordering a new GTI today I would delete this option and have the normal dials in the bins.
IMO it would have been better to have the TFT's in the bins rather than a single flat unit.
Discuss ....
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Well, it's standard in the R and Having experienced it for 3 weeks can report it is brilliant and I would pay extra for it for sure. Everyone who sees it loves it. The size, the info is terrific. And no i don't miss the gauges when it's dead.
It is shame the needles aren't blue though! Go for it you will not regret it, and I am very old school.
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I think to maintain the resale value of the car you'd need to spec the digital dashboard. All manufacturers are going that way as it's a cheap way of providing the features people expect from cars. As vehicles become more autonomous and people more hooked on gadgets then it's just a natural progression.
Unfortunately the mk7 dash wasn't designed from the outset for digital gauges so it does look a bit half baked when switched off which I'm sure will be designed out from the offset on the mk8 where you'd expect it to look a lot more harmonious.
The dials on the mk7R are absolutely beautiful (IMO) but the rest of the mk7 range have pretty dull gauges (the mk6 and mk5 fared better) and I'm sure the digital gauges will get more style eventually as each generation passes.
I can see manufacturers employing graphic designers from big named corporations (apple, google etc) and maybe even going for limited runs of 'designer' digital displays in years to come (possibly as expensive options), maybe not conservative VW but certainly some of the more fashion conscious marques. A digital display to mimic your favourite Omega watch sir? Cheap for the manufacturers to produce and a high profit margin as an optional extra that would just need a bit of coding to activate...
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I think when you see the new display in the flesh, most peoples concerns will fade away. The only suggestion I would have for VW (and I expect it will become reality in the future) is that I would like to be able to customise the colours/fonts etc, possibly using a phone app, to make it a bit more personal; to the user.
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Hated it on the RS4 test drive years ago and still don't like it on the new R. Too busy and seems flat and featureless. It is the future but give me proper dials over that every time.
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It's an option I would add to every non-sports car I would own from now on as it looks fresh and cool and when performance/sports feel is not a concern, any tech gadget is welcome. However I don't think digital screens have any place in performance cars, simply put, no needle no party. I actually was the "Playstation generation" back in the 90's so one could expect I would be all excited about digital dashes etc. but I think that the total flat screen, as the OP said, takes away a lot from the character of a performance car. I mean when I'm driving even something as humble as a GTI I don't need to watch the full map, weather updates or other crap on the driver dash, I'd rather have the red needles remind me in which car I am, there's always the main dash screen for everything else.
Exonian put it very well in that you might want to opt it only due to resale value purposes but personally it reminds me of playing Gran Turismo. And if there's one thing modern cars didn't need is even more fake (non-analog) stuff. I think a smart thing would be to keep the analog needles but have enough screen to play behind them and in-between, that could be best of both worlds if done properly but that totally flat thing currently in such cars is just wrong.
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Blimey nit-picking, harmonious, half-baked. This is the first generation and way outperforms the previous analogue dials for purpose. Information, and safety. All of which is in your eye line.
For sure the Mk8 will be better and the next but here and now it's a bloody brilliant leap forward and yes enhances the driving experience. Well it does for me. I'm personally glad they didn't wait. I'll let others decide when they drive with it over a period, I doubt any will want to go back. These are sophisticated cars, I certainly wouldn't spec it in a Caterham. A small selection of the variable displays.
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I love it, looking to change my GTi budget was problem going to mean a used R but might consider a new GTi instead as the 7.5 looks great inside and out.
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It's the future and I think it would be expected to be there in a facelift mk7 (especially as it's standard) so that's a consideration for future trade-in/private sale. In its current form is too flat and bland looking for my liking, and not up to the standard of some other active display offerings. Why there are no colour coded fake needles is beyond me, the ability to customise it in such a way would be a small step in the right direction. This first incarnation leaves me a bit cold, but will no doubt catch up with a version in some future Golf (mk8) but in no rush to wave goodbye to the beautiful classical analogue dials.
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I'm not sure I can say from the pics if that's a Golf? or a Tiguan? or wait, a Passat? Oh sorry you said it's an R... you get the point. Wait, there's not even a virtual needle? Just the tip of it going around the rev/speed range, is that all? I think I've seen that design in buses' dials... Why you can't customize it to a (still fake) but more resembling proper sports dial is beyond me and these pics make me worry even less about it until the next gen comes out and improves things (if...).
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I love it and all the info it displays. No problems with resolution either as some were reporting early on, everything looks smooth and works perfectly.
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I'm not sure I can say from the pics if that's a Golf? or a Tiguan? or wait, a Passat? Oh sorry you said it's an R... you get the point. Wait, there's not even a virtual needle? Just the tip of it going around the rev/speed range, is that all? I think I've seen that design in buses' dials... Why you can't customize it to a (still fake) but more resembling proper sports dial is beyond me and these pics make me worry even less about it until the next gen comes out and improves things (if...).
Err! Needles in engine off mode hence zero revs! Full size when running, pics don't do brightness justice. Sorry understand if you don't have it you don't need it, but I have a Mk7 GTI here and it feels like going back in time already!
Look, this was a bonus , I didn't know it was standard when ordered, but no question it makes the car even more special and satisfying to drive.
And it has an R in the display. Just in case you thiink you're driving a Passat,Tiguan or a bus.
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Lets hope they are reliable because I would imagine they will not be cheap to repair or replace.
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Lets hope they are reliable because I would imagine they will not be cheap to repair or replace.
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After 3 years it's the breakers yard or eBay mate, like everything else.
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Lets hope they are reliable because I would imagine they will not be cheap to repair or replace.
On the contrary, an LCD screen is far cheaper than a pod of mechanical needles. All the brains are in the sensors and signals that come into the display.
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Lets hope they are reliable because I would imagine they will not be cheap to repair or replace.
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After 3 years it's the breakers yard or eBay mate, like everything else.
Speak for yourself.
I tend to buy carefully and hold onto things for a lot longer than 3 years.
I'd be renting a car otherwise.
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Lets hope they are reliable because I would imagine they will not be cheap to repair or replace.
On the contrary, an LCD screen is far cheaper than a pod of mechanical needles. All the brains are in the sensors and signals that come into the display.
I assume this is purely a guess on your part.
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I love it and all the info it displays. No problems with resolution either as some were reporting early on, everything looks smooth and works perfectly.
I completely agree. The display is clear and really good. Especially like the coloured areas which appear on the speedo when using ACC. One comment though - it does not have the "Classic" display option which other VW models seem to have. This is when the speedo and rev counter look (almost) exactly the same as the normal dials. Not sure why ....
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Err! Needles in engine off mode hence zero revs! Full size when running, pics don't do brightness justice. Sorry understand if you don't have it you don't need it, but I have a Mk7 GTI here and it feels like going back in time already!
Look, this was a bonus , I didn't know it was standard when ordered, but no question it makes the car even more special and satisfying to drive.
And it has an R in the display. Just in case you thiink you're driving a Passat,Tiguan or a bus.
What I meant was that there is no full needle body, only the tip part, and this doesn't change even when running as I can see in vids, still just tip over figures design no? That's what takes away from the character of the car as every performance car needs needles in my mind, nice illuminated red ones preferably setting the tone... Funnily, I just looked at the Passat implementation which looks somewhat more rich and detailed (needle tip is orange even) compared to the basic, plain white approach on the Golf.
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I can understand the digital screen looks more cool than the analog dials but it definitely lacks any sense of occasion for me in such a car. Digital displays feel indeed very modern also in the sense of dropping traditional actions/habbits with virtual replacements in the general sense (think chatting or playing a game with friends) and of-course, once ignition is off they're all the same. Imagine that you can't check on the dials of a sports car by peeking from the window any more. Probably not very important I know but yet another step towards making special cars feel less special and unique.
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Lets hope they are reliable because I would imagine they will not be cheap to repair or replace.
On the contrary, an LCD screen is far cheaper than a pod of mechanical needles. All the brains are in the sensors and signals that come into the display.
I assume this is purely a guess on your part.
Estimate, not guess. I'm an engineer working with specialist electronics every day.
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I love it and all the info it displays. No problems with resolution either as some were reporting early on, everything looks smooth and works perfectly.
I completely agree. The display is clear and really good.
It may have been me who said that about the resolution of the screen. If I remember correctly, my iPhone 5c screen has a similar resolution. However it is about 1/6th the size. The Active Info Display has quite a low resolution for the size of the screen. It is easy to see the individual pixels from a normal 'reading' distance. Siting back in the drivers seat I could not see them. Though the graphics did look blocky and a little blurred when I was sitting back. Again I thought this was because of the low pixel density.
Viewing distance is the key here. When I was buying my TV a few years ago I went into the shop to have a browse. Like most people, I stood 3 feet from a 4k TV and went, "WOW, that is so much better than HD." But most people don't watch TV from 3 feet away. Most people watch TV from 3 to 4 meters away, and at that distance 4K and HD TVs look the same! (Unless, it was 65", or bigger.)
Though I'm probably more aware of displays than most people due to my work. Most people have a lot of screens too look at in their lives these days. The Active Info Display is not as good as most of the screens I look at.
This is my unbiased opinion. After all there is going to be an Active Info Display in the new Golf I have ordered. I was expecting good definition and smooth graphics, that popped of the screen. I was left with a strong desire to delete the option. I'm sure I'll get used to it. I'm going to have to! :undecided:
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Its gen 1 of this sort of thing. Sure it could and will be better in the future.
To be honest, VW are a little behind the curve with this and other new tech - I saw an advert for some crappy Peugeot thing boasting about a digital dash for example.
Kia's and all sorts of low end stuff have HUD's now too.
I would expect a premium brand to have come in with something better IMHO.
On the other hand, I'd not be wanting to delete it - in 3 years time everything will have a digital dash and anything else will be looking retro.
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I decided to do some calculations with surprising results.
Active Info Display - 12.3 inch, 1440 x 540 resolution. Total pixels 777,600.
iPhone 5c - 4 inch, 1136 x 640 resolution. Total pixels 727,040.
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Active Info Display - 125
iPhone 5c - 326
My 29" Ultrawide HD monitor - 96
Our :wink: 55" Full HD TV - 40
It would appear that the Active Info Display is higher resolution than my 1080P monitor. I'm sitting closer to this monitor than I would be to the Digital Dash, yet I cannot see any pixilation. In fact I don't notice the pixels until I'm closer than 12" or 30cm. So I don't understand why the VW Digital Dash looked lower resolution from further away. Maybe it was just aliasing. :undecided: “Aliasing” is an effect that occurs when lines and edges appear to be jagged on computer screens.
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As an owner of an R with an Active Info Display, here are my thoughts. Let me first say, that I love my technology. My first impressions were that the graphics were low resolution, very flat and 2 dimensional, a poor relation to Audi's virtual cockpit.
After a few weeks of use, I've had time to come to a conclusion. I do prefer the AID to the physical clocks, however, I do think VW need to add some improvements. Firstly, the space between the dials seems wasted. If for example you display the oil temperature, there's wasted space underneath when other information could be displayed. Also, call me OCD, but the R logo at the bottom of the display seems to have the bottom cut off it as it looks to be too low.
I think for a first attempt, it's fine, but something akin to Audi's Virtual Cockpit would be fantastic for the Mark VIII.
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So I don't understand why the VW Digital Dash looked lower resolution from further away. Maybe it was just aliasing. :undecided: “Aliasing” is an effect that occurs when lines and edges appear to be jagged on computer screens.
I was thinking about this a bit more. I have come to the conclusion that it could be combination of 'aliasing' and a strong anti-reflective coating. This used to be a complaint with some monitors. They didn't look sharp because of the anti-glare coating.
https://pcmonitors.info/articles/matte-vs-glossy-monitors/ (https://pcmonitors.info/articles/matte-vs-glossy-monitors/)
"Grainy or hazy texture apparent in some instances, particularly when displaying white and other light colours."
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So I don't understand why the VW Digital Dash looked lower resolution from further away. Maybe it was just aliasing. :undecided: “Aliasing” is an effect that occurs when lines and edges appear to be jagged on computer screens.
When you saw the lower resolution image were you looking at the sat nav map on the AID? I've noticed occasional digital artifacts on that - it looks almost like the image from the head unit is being compressed to send to the AID.
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When you saw the lower resolution image were you looking at the sat nav map on the AID? I've noticed occasional digital artifacts on that - it looks almost like the image from the head unit is being compressed to send to the AID.
It wasn't a moving image.
Which is a good point. In actual use while driving, I'm not going to be looking that closely at the Active Info Display.
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Is it likely that the AID content on the 7.5 could evolve through software updates as cars go in for service?
It's just a display, so they could add things like coloured needles etc pretty easily in my opinion.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27hM1CO7AL4
Just found that on a quick youtube search, it is a few months old and shows a golf with the active info display, its in German and not a GTI from looking at the comments below, but they manage to have the 'full' needle showing, is this not possible on the UK spec active info displays?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27hM1CO7AL4
Just found that on a quick youtube search, it is a few months old and shows a golf with the active info display, its in German and not a GTI from looking at the comments below, but they manage to have the 'full' needle showing, is this not possible on the UK spec active info displays?
That's the 'Classic' view that has been mentioned a few times as missing from the GTI.
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Is it likely that the AID content on the 7.5 could evolve through software updates as cars go in for service?
It's just a display, so they could add things like coloured needles etc pretty easily in my opinion.
They *could* but they won't.
In the same way as the MIB unit could be enhanced through software with new features, but you are lucky to get bug fixes.
I've said it before, car manufacturers see software in such an outdated way. Despite spending hundreds, if not thousands of pounds on an in car computer system, you get nothing more than you were delivered until you pay the same money again for a new car.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27hM1CO7AL4
Just found that on a quick youtube search, it is a few months old and shows a golf with the active info display, its in German and not a GTI from looking at the comments below, but they manage to have the 'full' needle showing, is this not possible on the UK spec active info displays?
That's the 'Classic' view that has been mentioned a few times as missing from the GTI.
Yes it has been ditched on the R also, how very dare they! Guess it'll be on the FL Mk7.75 :smiley:
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Lets hope they are reliable because I would imagine they will not be cheap to repair or replace.
On the contrary, an LCD screen is far cheaper than a pod of mechanical needles. All the brains are in the sensors and signals that come into the display.
Standard GTI Dials - £806.71 inc VAT
Active Display - £1442.30 inc VAT
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Lets hope they are reliable because I would imagine they will not be cheap to repair or replace.
On the contrary, an LCD screen is far cheaper than a pod of mechanical needles. All the brains are in the sensors and signals that come into the display.
Standard GTI Dials - £806.71 inc VAT
Active Display - £1442.30 inc VAT
It is just like paying extra on some cars for alcantara, they charge extra for one of the cheapest materials to buy. Just because they charge more for it doesn't mean it cost them more to have made/make.
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Lets hope they are reliable because I would imagine they will not be cheap to repair or replace.
On the contrary, an LCD screen is far cheaper than a pod of mechanical needles. All the brains are in the sensors and signals that come into the display.
Standard GTI Dials - £806.71 inc VAT
Active Display - £1442.30 inc VAT
It is just like paying extra on some cars for alcantara, they charge extra for one of the cheapest materials to buy. Just because they charge more for it doesn't mean it cost them more to have made/make.
To be fair, the quoted prices piss all over my chips so I hold my hands up and admit I was wrong.
I do stand by my comment however that in pure parts costs an LCD screen is cheaper than mechanical needles (and should be just as, if not more reliable).
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They will be significantly cheaper to produce yet because they are the "IN" thing they will have a premium piled on top of them. Just like the Apple products, you are paying for bragging rights.
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They will be significantly cheaper to produce yet because they are the "IN" thing they will have a premium piled on top of them. Just like the Apple products, you are paying for bragging rights.
You aren't just paying for cost price of part with a percentage of markup, you'll be paying for all the R&D that's gone into the AID including cost for machines to produce etc.. and then a big fat markup from VW.
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Plus the price of spares is totally different to the price VW paid to build the car with it.
That's bleedin' obvious when you've pranged a car and discover that half a dozen minor bits is something like 10% of the new price of the car...
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If you are considering as option. Make your own minds up, I think way more readable information than analogue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
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If you are considering as option. Make your own minds up, I think way more readable information analogue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
Depends on what you class as readable.
I'd have to switch to google translate in apps connect to work out what an "aktywyny" was, so that immediately would involve me pulling over into a layby. And what's a km/h? Is that one of those pre-Brexit type measurements that are now officially redundant? :lipsrsealed: :grin:
In all seriousness, you have a split second or so in fast driving to look down and get your information and in that screen there's too much information in the same colour to be able to pick out things clearly enough. I know modern cars are designed to be automatics but if you're still driving with a proper gearbox then you need to be able to see exactly what revs you're at very quickly to match a gear up. Some coloured needles are needed at the very least. In some of the active dashboards I've seen the background is slightly bluish and the needles white and that looks a lot easier to read when you only have a very short space of time to take your eyes off the road. It's almost like an information overkill to get the most amount of semi-useless information in front of the driver. Leave that for the Kia and Hyundai buyers to make them think they're getting better value for money by having as much electronics as possible stuffed into their cars/SUV's.
Take an airport x-ray screener for example, these people have approximately 5 seconds to decipher amongst the deodorants, iPods, hairdryers, phone chargers and associated holiday necessities whether there's a bomb disguised as everyday items in a suitcase. Would they be able to distinguish everything in split seconds if the screen was all one colour?
Coloured needles would be a lot easier and quicker to read IMO, and some slightly nicer graphics for the dials themselves would look nice for when you're stuck in a traffic jam and have nothing more to do than admire the tail-lights of the car in front and look at your own dials and gauges... just in cast you're listening VW ahead of the mk8 launch... :whistle:
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If you are considering as option. Make your own minds up, I think way more readable information analogue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
Don't understand, are you saying you prefer analogue dials or the active info?
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If you are considering as option. Make your own minds up, I think way more readable information analogue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
Don't understand, are you saying you prefer analogue dials or the active info?
Sorry Jim, 'Than' analogue.
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If you are considering as option. Make your own minds up, I think way more readable information analogue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
Don't understand, are you saying you prefer analogue dials or the active info?
Sorry Jim, 'Than' analogue.
Ah, just checking! I think the new display looks great from what I've seen will know for myself at the end of month. The people who seem to complaining about it are the Mk7 owners who don't have it....
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I think the new display looks great from what I've seen will know for myself at the end of month. The people who seem to complaining about it are the Mk7 owners who don't have it....
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Have you seen one in the flesh?
I have ordered a facelift GTI. The Active Info Display was not an option I wanted. When I first saw the display on a GTD demonstrator I was not impressed. It didn't look as sharp and clear as I hoped.
My car will arrive in 2 months. I'm sure it will grow on me.
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I think the new display looks great from what I've seen will know for myself at the end of month. The people who seem to complaining about it are the Mk7 owners who don't have it....
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Have you seen one in the flesh?
I have ordered a facelift GTI. The Active Info Display was not an option I wanted. When I first saw the display on a GTD demonstrator I was not impressed. It didn't look as sharp and clear as I hoped.
My car will arrive in 2 months. I'm sure it will grow on me.
Only the static demo so will report when mine arrives this month. Just seems to be lots of criticism towards it on here but not the people who are actually driving them? I might be wrong though.
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If you are considering as option. Make your own minds up, I think way more readable information analogue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
Don't understand, are you saying you prefer analogue dials or the active info?
Sorry Jim, 'Than' analogue.
Ah, just checking! I think the new display looks great from what I've seen will know for myself at the end of month. The people who seem to complaining about it are the Mk7 owners who don't have it....
Or maybe some of us Mk7 owners (and facelift owners) actually do prefer the analogue dials. :smiley:
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If you are considering as option. Make your own minds up, I think way more readable information analogue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
Don't understand, are you saying you prefer analogue dials or the active info?
Sorry Jim, 'Than' analogue.
Ah, just checking! I think the new display looks great from what I've seen will know for myself at the end of month. The people who seem to complaining about it are the Mk7 owners who don't have it....
Yes you're right, the fact that I think the lower models get a clearer active info display (and the fact I'm far from blown away with the analogue mk7 dials aside from the nicer ones in the R) makes my opinion irrelevant as I own an out of date model picked up in the end of season sales. Heaven forbid I might be a potential VW customer again at some point not necessarily in the far flung future. :kiss:
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Or maybe some of us Mk7 owners (and facelift owners) actually do prefer the analogue dials. :smiley:
... I would still prefer analogue dials and I like my tech. Though I don't think it is worth deleting the Active Info Display.
The one thing I did like about it was having the small satnav screen right in front of me.
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I have been looking at an AID for just over 2k miles now and I quite like it. The biggest selling point for me is how I can put sat-nav on the AID and use Spotify on the other screen at the same time. For that reason alone I think it is brilliant.
Ignoring that reason, I could take it or leave it. I like it because it is new and different but without sat-nav between the dials you don't actually get any more information than the previous Mk7 and if it didn't have that capability then I would not have paid extra for one; if it was an additional option.
If you take a look at Audi's Virtual Cockpit and then look back at the AID, the AID looks quite underwhelming and small. However, IMO, this is a step in the right direction and future generations should be a lot better and bring better functionality and customisation. If you de-specced the AID from a facelifted Golf for whatever reason I honestly don't think you would have an issue shifting it come new car time.
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Heaven forbid I might be a potential VW customer again at some point not necessarily in the far flung future. :kiss:
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I have been looking at an AID for just over 2k miles now and I quite like it. The biggest selling point for me is how I can put sat-nav on the AID and use Spotify on the other screen at the same time. For that reason alone I think it is brilliant.
You wouldn't know how many times I've had to switch the dis display to see what/who is playing on Apple Music over the years and it drives me mad, annoys me and this is the first thing that I've heard about the new display that I would really like to have. Thank you.
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A final word on this from me anyway, I have used the AID for a month and love it, my wife has a Mark 7 GTI so I / we can judge both daily. We both prefer the AID, I cannot over emphasise the additional clear/sized information you get on a flat screen. It could almost make the infotainment screen redundant. That tiny central screen on the Mk7 seems totally inadequate.
I keep saying try it out, and spec if you feel the same.
And those waiting for the Mk 8, well you can tell me how much better the next gen AID is.
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Heaven forbid I might be a potential VW customer again at some point not necessarily in the far flung future. :kiss:
(http://www.funnyalltime.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/surrender-you-know-you-want-to.jpg)
I might consider waving a white flag to those two any day of the week!
Only because they're packing Kalashnikovs of course...
I was nosing at another forum in the night and saw a GTD with what looked like more of a blue hue to the "dials" more like I'd seen in a GTE previously. That looked a lot less plain and nicer to look at than some of the rather plain looking examples I've seen of AID so maybe it's very badly represented in other pics and vids I've seen. I'll get round to seeing one in the flesh at some point.
In the meantime don't assume I'm anti-AID as I'm not. I just think it looks crap switched off with a huge gormless void filling the dash and in 7.5 guise it's not as stylish as in Audis I've seen.
The analogue dials of mk7 GTIs and GTDs are plain as hell (the ClubSport dials are better and the R dials are lovely) and I'd not be sorry to see the back of them but VW had a blank canvass with the 7.5 AID and while some examples of it look ok others look a bit plain and not completely intuitive.
Aside possibly from the standard fit alloys all other aspects of the 7.5 GTI/D are a nice step forward/sideways so onwards and upwards.
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It is annoying that a better design wasn't arrived at, given that this is software... It could have looked absolutely glorious and cost absolutely no more money to do so...
But as I keep saying, car makers really don't understand computing at all :-/
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It's out of date already:
"second generation of the Active Info Display celebrates its world premiere in the new Polo."
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It's out of date already:
"second generation of the Active Info Display celebrates its world premiere in the new Polo."
i've just watched some of that too, and tbh i couldn't believe my ears when he said it... why have gen2 in the polo and yet gen1 in the golf that's just a few months earlier? it's a slight kick in the nuts tbh as the gen2 seems to be more interactive.. :)
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It's out of date already:
"second generation of the Active Info Display celebrates its world premiere in the new Polo."
That's bullsh!t :sad:
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Interesting that the Active Display and the new Infotainment screen in the new Polo looks far better resolved (it looks like it belongs there) rather than in the FL Golf where it looks like it was bodged into the dash imo. This is the main reason I dislike facelifts in general. They always try to fudge in some new tech into a car that wasn't designed for it in the first place and it never looks quite right...
(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/galleries/x701/254917.jpg)
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Mk7.5 gets delivered next week.
Was wondering if you can use the sat nav from Android Auto on the Active Display (so Google Maps or Waze), or if it's limited to the VW Sat Nav?
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There are some more interior shots of the new Polo Active Info Display on Evo site below. Does look way more thought out than the Mk7.5 Golf. In fact the new Polo GTI actually looks far better designed outside as well.
http://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/polo-gti/19529/all-new-6th-generation-vw-polo-gti-revealed-with-197bhp
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Mk7.5 gets delivered next week.
Was wondering if you can use the sat nav from Android Auto on the Active Display (so Google Maps or Waze), or if it's limited to the VW Sat Nav?
Built in Nav display only. If you only have the basic nav, you can only display the map on either the main screen or the AID, not both at the same time. Pro version removes this limitation.
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Shame, thanks.
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There are some more interior shots of the new Polo Active Info Display on Evo site below. Does look way more thought out than the Mk7.5 Golf. In fact the new Polo GTI actually looks far better designed outside as well.
http://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/polo-gti/19529/all-new-6th-generation-vw-polo-gti-revealed-with-197bhp
There's your MK8 Golf, additional crease lines upper doors/body/boot and bonnet. Also interior likely to have similar changes and colour options (about time) But still a gradual evolution of the 6/7/7.5. Will look very nice especially with some more garish/Essex colour options. I like the burnt orange similar to the MP4
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Like the look of the new Polo.
If it's significantly cheaper than the Golf GTI, I can see a fair few people being swayed by it.
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Like the look of the new Polo.
If it's significantly cheaper than the Golf GTI, I can see a fair few people being swayed by it.
It does look nice, but I suspect the quality will be some way from the Golf and it may well still run with the live rear axle of the current version.
My guess is VW will work hard to keep the cars separate in terms of quality, refinement and kit, etc., in order to justify the 25 to 35% premium it hopes to charge.
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Like the look of the new Polo.
If it's significantly cheaper than the Golf GTI, I can see a fair few people being swayed by it.
Yeah I agree. Does look good, and almost the same size as a Mk4 Golf. I could be tempted myself, but will have to see how its spec compares with the Golf's. If it needs a small fortune spending on options to match up (like the current Polo GTi) then it'll probably be a nono.
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Like the look of the new Polo.
If it's significantly cheaper than the Golf GTI, I can see a fair few people being swayed by it.
It does look nice, but I suspect the quality will be some way from the Golf and it may well still run with the live rear axle of the current version.
My guess is VW will work hard to keep the cars separate in terms of quality, refinement and kit, etc., in order to justify the 25 to 35% premium it hopes to charge.
They are things i've thought about too, however early reviews of the new Seat Ibiza seem quite favourable.
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The Polo looks great, The only issue for me is that its not as attractive as an everyday 'family' car. The Golf ticks that box in my opinion.
There are some cracking deals on the remaining stock at the minute. I saw a few brand new (pre-reg) with pretty much every possible option specced for under 16k.
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Some good pictures of the new Polo GTI in this article in CAR Magazine. It looks really good in Red with what looks like an 18" version of Brescia alloys;
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-events/frankfurt/2017/new-vw-polo-pictures-specs-info/
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I guess that the new Polo tech won't appear in the Golf until the MK8? Unless they do a face lift of the face lift? :laugh:
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I guess that the new Polo tech won't appear in the Golf until the MK8? Unless they do a face lift of the face lift? :laugh:
What new tech? Have I missed something? I don't see any options available in the Polo that are not already available in the Golf. In fact, my "must have" option, DCC appears to be missing.
Is the Polo GTI 2.0L engine just a detuned Golf GTI engine?
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All car makers do the same thing - you can't have the same tech on their supermini as their family car or executive cruiser.
Why? Because its all about ramping up sales value.
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I guess that the new Polo tech won't appear in the Golf until the MK8? Unless they do a face lift of the face lift? :laugh:
What new tech? Have I missed something? I don't see any options available in the Polo that are not already available in the Golf. In fact, my "must have" option, DCC appears to be missing.
Is the Polo GTI 2.0L engine just a detuned Golf GTI engine?
The Polo is apparently the first VW to get the 2nd generation active info display. Matt Watson also mentions in his latest Carwow video on YouTube that it will get an option for adaptive dampers but I don't know where he's got that information from.
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I guess that the new Polo tech won't appear in the Golf until the MK8? Unless they do a face lift of the face lift? :laugh:
What new tech? Have I missed something? I don't see any options available in the Polo that are not already available in the Golf. In fact, my "must have" option, DCC appears to be missing.
Is the Polo GTI 2.0L engine just a detuned Golf GTI engine?
The Polo is apparently the first VW to get the 2nd generation active info display. Matt Watson also mentions in his latest Carwow video on YouTube that it will get an option for adaptive dampers but I don't know where he's got that information from.
He probably read it on an Internet forum. :lipsrsealed:
The current/outgoing Polo has the DCC option so it's a foregone conclusion the new one will have the option eventually.
The journos have to sit through a load of speeches and presentations at launches, plus they get a big press pack for them to misquote in their reports. That's where he'd have got the information from.
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And just two pages back :grin:
another quote to dismiss?
"The sixth generation Polo has grown, making it larger than its predecessor in all of its dimensions. This has resulted in much more interior space and a significantly increased boot volume, which has grown from 280 to 351 litres. Nonetheless, it is still a snappy compact car on the outside. It is enlightening to compare this car to the fourth generation Golf (built until 2003) which has sold in the millions. It shows that the Polo has adapted to people who have grown, but also that it utilises its enclosed space even more effectively."
Same size as a mk4, bigger boot than mk4, front assist, ACC, blind spot monitor, traffic alert, park assist, keyless, wireless charging... 'enlightened'?
Oh and of course a "Self-confident, masculine look". I think that's the car, could be Exonian, not sure.
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Some good pictures of the new Polo GTI in this article in CAR Magazine. It looks really good in Red with what looks like an 18" version of Brescia alloys;
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-events/frankfurt/2017/new-vw-polo-pictures-specs-info/
Also one of the pictures shows DCC specced........
Not a big fan of the interior coloured inlays but other than that looks like a 'mini-golf' interior (which is what the Polo is after all). I'd be interested to hear what all this extra interior/boot space is doing to weight, I'm guessing the power is going to be in Fiesta ST/Clio range, I get the feeling any performance increase in this Gen is going to be counteracted by this extra weight.
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Extra space doesn't necessarily add extra weight if the rest of the car is intelligently engineered. The current Golf is actually lighter than the car it replaced.
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Oh and of course a "Self-confident, masculine look". I think that's the car, could be Exonian, not sure.
That's just how my expensively assembled public relations management team are paid to portray me.
Extra space doesn't necessarily add extra weight if the rest of the car is intelligently engineered. The current Golf is actually lighter than the car it replaced.
That's almost the same excuse I used to my wife when I had to buy bigger trousers.
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The current/outgoing Polo has the DCC option so it's a foregone conclusion the new one will have the option eventually.
I knew the Polo GTI had some adjustment to the suspension. I didn't realise that it was also called DCC.
Currently, it is only available on the Polo GTI and only has 2 settings - comfort and sport. From what I remember reading 'sport' mode is only for a track. And comfort was less than comfortable in the real world. Also, it only costs £260 so I doubt if it is the same system that is available in the Golf costing £800.
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The current/outgoing Polo has the DCC option so it's a foregone conclusion the new one will have the option eventually.
I knew the Polo GTI had some adjustment to the suspension. I didn't realise that it was also called DCC.
Currently, it is only available on the Polo GTI and only has 2 settings - comfort and sport. From what I remember reading 'sport' mode is only for a track. And comfort was less than comfortable in the real world. Also, it only costs £260 so I doubt if it is the same system that is available in the Golf costing £800.
I think you're right. The Sport Performance pack (as it's called) isn't proper DCC, as there is no comfort mode. In fact there's also a video on YouTube of Watson testing the old Polo GTi and he reckons the option isn't worth the money even though it's only £260.
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The current Golf is actually lighter than the car it replaced.
Not when I'm sitting in it :whistle:
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is there an option to change the needle colours on the active display.
Its difficult to see the fuel guage needle...
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is there an option to change the needle colours on the active display.
Its difficult to see the fuel guage needle...
Don't think so .... I've not found one ... and I agree, the fuel gauge is not easy to read at all. This is one area where the old dials are much better ...
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is there an option to change the needle colours on the active display.
Its difficult to see the fuel guage needle...
Don't think so .... I've not found one ... and I agree, the fuel gauge is not easy to read at all. This is one area where the old dials are much better ...
Yes is near impossible to read the fuel gauge!!, i notice that now... :grin:
Is the same problem on the Tiguan an Passat?..
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Yes is near impossible to read the fuel gauge!!, i notice that now... :grin:
Is the same problem on the Tiguan an Passat?..
If you Google image search Tiguan Active Info Display, it looks like all the needles are red.
Changing the needle colour should have been a simple built in setting. It's as easy as changing the wallpaper on your phone...
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Yes is near impossible to read the fuel gauge!!, i notice that now... :grin:
Is the same problem on the Tiguan an Passat?..
If you Google image search Tiguan Active Info Display, it looks like all the needles are red.
Changing the needle colour should have been a simple built in setting. It's as easy as changing the wallpaper on your phone...
Ok, that didn´t i know..
I have contact my dealer if it can be updated.. ;)
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Ok, that didn´t i know..
I have contact my dealer if it can be updated.. ;)
Sorry, just in case something got lost in translation, I am not saying the setting is there, just that it would have been really easy for them to build it into the menus/software.
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Ok, that didn´t i know..
I have contact my dealer if it can be updated.. ;)
Sorry, just in case something got lost in translation, I am not saying the setting is there, just that it would have been really easy for them to build it into the menus/software.
No i understand ;). I hope for some software update in the future. My dealer have done a complaint to the VW head office now :grin:
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It should be possible to tweak the Display with VCDS / OBD11 I imagine.
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It should be possible to tweak the Display with VCDS / OBD11 I imagine.
Yes that would be great, someone who tried? :laugh: :grin:
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It should be possible to tweak the Display with VCDS / OBD11 I imagine.
Yes that would be great, someone who tried? :laugh: :grin:
I'd try if I could get my hands on a facelift to try out my German knowledge on.
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I've had my Mk 7.5 for a couple of weeks now and I have to say I'm loving the AID. There are a number of nice little touches that I keep discovering, like how the fuel gauge changes slightly when you hit the red to show you more detail about how much you have left, and how in Navigation view you get a graphical representation of how far you are through your journey - they left dial gets 4 blue quadrants that gradually decrease as your journey progresses.
That said, there is a bit of information duplication, and I wish it would show more verbose DAB info (such as song name) when in audio view - the head unit shows it, so I'm not sure why the AID can't!
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I've had my Mk 7.5 for a couple of weeks now and I have to say I'm loving the AID. There are a number of nice little touches that I keep discovering, like how the fuel gauge changes slightly when you hit the red to show you more detail about how much you have left, and how in Navigation view you get a graphical representation of how far you are through your journey - they left dial gets 4 blue quadrants that gradually decrease as your journey progresses.
That said, there is a bit of information duplication, and I wish it would show more verbose DAB info (such as song name) when in audio view - the head unit shows it, so I'm not sure why the AID can't!
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Plus the ACC green line and arrow to set speed on dial. I love it ,ok not perfect but will do me and so pleased to get it for free. No going back here on in.