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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: ianmb on 31 January 2022, 20:53
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My my 7.5 gti is 3 years old ,so 3rd service ,Mot etc ,
Have other members had the differential oil changed,at vw dealers ,if so did they just change the oil,or take the diff out and clean the filter housing.My car has only done 13000 miles.
When I asked the dealer about this they seemed a bit vague ,when I asked the dealer for cost he said £109.00 inc vat , yet the kit to do job from Awsome gti was £80 ish ,so I am not sure what they will do for the money.
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I had mine done at 13k / 3 years (spooky😁) last month at local Independent - £95 with the filter clean👍
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Hi Adam did you speak to your dealer about doing the diff service or just thought independent would be better.Where about are you which indi did you use.
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I had my Diff service at Midland VW. The car was in for other work anyway and they know their stuff so fine. I would have definately taking it to my Local indie in Doncaster anyway. Our receptionist has a 7.5 gti and she had her diff service at the dealers in Doncaster at a price of £109. All they did was drop the oil, (her words) but as the car is still in warranty she was happy to pay the £20 or so difference.
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I'm in the same situation - 7.5 GTI PP 3 years old and on 18k miles.
Going to be visiting my local VW specialist for the 3rd year service, MOT and getting the diff serviced (oil and filter clean)
Only used VW for the first two services as got the service plan with the car when new
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Hi Adam did you speak to your dealer about doing the diff service or just thought independent would be better.Where about are you which indi did you use.
Hi, no I didn’t speak to local dealer, just went straight to local independent - VW World in Stockport.
I got the DSG serviced at the same time plus MOT and 36 month service (incl. Brake Fluid).
They have done a fair bit of work on my wife’s 10 year old Polo and that’s been absolutely spot on. They are all enthusiasts and have a good reputation, so I’m more than ok with using them.
Edit - they also have full access and ability to update the electronic service records, gave me a full print out of its history👍
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I got mine cleaned and fluid changed at my Indy. There was little to no crud in there. (Unlike the Haldex in the R)
Because the PP diff is activated much less frequently than the R, you’ll be fine just getting the fluid changed. It’s what I’ll be doing next time.
The consensus is the same among most PP users. Dead keen to do it properly the first time, and then realise the filter really doesn’t need cleaning.
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I got mine cleaned and fluid changed at my Indy. There was little to no crud in there. (Unlike the Haldex in the R)
Because the PP diff is activated much less frequently than the R, you’ll be fine just getting the fluid changed. It’s what I’ll be doing next time.
The consensus is the same among most PP users. Dead keen to do it properly the first time, and then realise the filter really doesn’t need cleaning.
Or why change the oil at all? The oil will not degrade with time.
All that constant metal/metal movement in an engine- and we change that oil every 10k miles.
These diffs engage once in a blue moon- on the rare occasion that the road ahead is clear.
I think even 30k miles is too soon ( but i'll probably do mine at 30k!)
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Is the consensus to do this before service schedule dictates?
Curious that folks are specifically requesting this. Do I/should I be thing about getting this done or just take it as and when the car bongs for a service and VW will do the necessary.
I have TCR if that makes any difference.
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CookieMonster there is a lot of ignorance at main dealers about VAQdiff service schedule.
My understanding (from the VW workshop technical docs I have seen) is that fluid should be changed every 3 years.
I have heard that many main dealers are oblivious to this, so don’t expect VW to do it as part of routine service.
Nobody is advocating doing it prematurely. Just trying to stick to VW schedule.
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You spends tens of thousands on a car and then query about spending tens of pounds on cleaning a filter that can potentially get blocked with particles of swarf - you do the maths.
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CookieMonster there is a lot of ignorance at main dealers about VAQdiff service schedule.
My understanding (from the VW workshop technical docs I have seen) is that fluid should be changed every 3 years.
I have heard that many main dealers are oblivious to this, so don’t expect VW to do it as part of routine service.
Nobody is advocating doing it prematurely. Just trying to stick to VW schedule.
Thanks
I wasn’t aware this would be something that could be overlooked.
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You spends tens of thousands on a car and then query about spending tens of pounds on cleaning a filter that can potentially get blocked with particles of swarf - you do the maths.
No needs to do the maths.
Just wondered why it needed to be done outside the standard schedule. After all how many folks would know to ask for this specifically?
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I got mine cleaned and fluid changed at my Indy. There was little to no crud in there. (Unlike the Haldex in the R)
Because the PP diff is activated much less frequently than the R, you’ll be fine just getting the fluid changed. It’s what I’ll be doing next time.
The consensus is the same among most PP users. Dead keen to do it properly the first time, and then realise the filter really doesn’t need cleaning.
Or why change the oil at all? The oil will not degrade with time.
All that constant metal/metal movement in an engine- and we change that oil every 10k miles.
These diffs engage once in a blue moon- on the rare occasion that the road ahead is clear.
I think even 30k miles is too soon ( but i'll probably do mine at 30k!)
I'd assume the diff would only really engage once it's in sport mode, the a-b journey to the shop for pringles isn't currently a section on Silverstone to really warrant it engaging.
It'd certainly be interesting to hear Borg Warner's advice on maintaining the unit, for now I'm just following the service schedule of every 3 years.
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You spends tens of thousands on a car and then query about spending tens of pounds on cleaning a filter that can potentially get blocked with particles of swarf - you do the maths.
No needs to do the maths.
Just wondered why it needed to be done outside the standard schedule. After all how many folks would know to ask for this specifically?
I had a couple of Discos with, according to JLR, had ‘sealed for life’ Borg Warner auto boxes - Borg Warner however stated a fluid and flush at 100K Km - I had my D4 done slightly over that and the fluid was like sludge, so now I just ask respected independents and / or look at manufacturers websites. Apologies if I came across as rude, but the difference in price of a cleaning vs. not cleaning the filter is not huge for the peace of mind (even if it is a placebo)
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Trouble is, there's no mention in the VW repair manual of cleaning the haldex filter out.
So when you ask your local VW dealer about cleaning it out you'll probably be looked at as though your speaking some foreign language.
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My dealer confirmed they do it at 4th service which is a “major” and my service plan would cover.
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My dealer confirmed they do it at 4th service which is a “major” and my service plan would cover.
That sounds like they maybe referring to the DSG fluid change which is at 40k / 4 years.
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I have an Edition 40 Clubsport and I'm just in the process of setting up the 2 year All-in warranty/service plan and I've been told that I must have a "Haldex Service" before VW will allow me to take it out. My car is just coming up to 5 years old (it has a 5 year factory warranty) and it has never had this service done.
Reading this thread, it seems that my car should have had this service at 3 years old - regardless of mileage (I have done less than 6,000 miles)? Is that definitely correct? Also, how much have people paid for this service? Thanks.
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I was told by a respected independent that its 36 months and the filter needs cleaning. I paid £95, as part of a full service and DSG fluid and filter change at the same time.
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I have an Edition 40 Clubsport and I'm just in the process of setting up the 2 year All-in warranty/service plan and I've been told that I must have a "Haldex Service" before VW will allow me to take it out. My car is just coming up to 5 years old (it has a 5 year factory warranty) and it has never had this service done.
Reading this thread, it seems that my car should have had this service at 3 years old - regardless of mileage (I have done less than 6,000 miles)? Is that definitely correct? Also, how much have people paid for this service? Thanks.
Not specifically the Haldex, but I’ve read on the Seatcupra.net forum of owners having to have other o/s ‘recommended’ service actions having to be carried out before their cars were eligible for the All In product. One owner had to get an air con service done before Seat would let them take out the All In product.
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3 years, no mention of mileage in the VW Workshop manual.
(https://i.postimg.cc/PJXVPXBp/vaq.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Image credit to golfdave. :wink:
Could never find out if my CS had ever been done due to GDPR and VW unable to tell me, so i've armed myself with VCDS and a bottle of fluid.
Once i manage to get myself a half decent laptop for VCDS duties, i'll be doing it myself.
VW Dealers seem not to know anything about this service item until pushed on it from what ive read.
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3 years, no mention of mileage in the VW Workshop manual.
(https://i.postimg.cc/PJXVPXBp/vaq.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Could never find out if my CS had ever been done due to GDPR and VW unable to tell me, so i've armed myself with VCDS and a bottle of fluid.
Once i manage to get myself a half decent laptop for VCDS duties, i'll be doing it myself.
VW Dealers seem not to know anything about this service item until pushed on it from what ive read.
I wouldn’t have known if I hadn’t have taken the wife’s Polo in for a MOT and service and got talking to the Indy owner about my GTI.
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^^^Thanks all for your replies.
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I think this will be one of the major issues us Mk7 & 7.5 owners will have...
Mines in at the beginning of March for it's year three service, I'm going to mention the VAQ but I really don't think my dealer will agree even though I'd be paying, the DSG service bugs me as our DQ381 box is officially down for a service at 80k and I'm not used to that sort of mileage after driving my 2006 TDi for 14 years and having them done routinely at 30k.
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I think this will be one of the major issues us Mk7 & 7.5 owners will have...
Mines in at the beginning of March for it's year three service, I'm going to mention the VAQ but I really don't think my dealer will agree even though I'd be paying, the DSG service bugs me as our DQ381 box is officially down for a service at 80k and I'm not used to that sort of mileage after driving my 2006 TDi for 14 years and having them done routinely at 30k.
Don’t go to a main dealer and find a local specialist independent, I’d much prefer to forego the free tea and TV and spend some time talking to the enthusiast technician that’s actually working on my car.
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3 years, no mention of mileage in the VW Workshop manual.
(https://i.postimg.cc/PJXVPXBp/vaq.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Could never find out if my CS had ever been done due to GDPR and VW unable to tell me, so i've armed myself with VCDS and a bottle of fluid.
Once i manage to get myself a half decent laptop for VCDS duties, i'll be doing it myself.
VW Dealers seem not to know anything about this service item until pushed on it from what ive read.
Thanks for quoting my easy to read version of the VAG service book... :cool:
VAG "hide" the servicing of the Haldex under a completely different section (2.2.16 compared to sections 2.2.2 & 2.2.3 for the main servicing) of the service manual called "Country-specific additional work dependent on time & mileage".....this section also includes the DSG & Adblue servicing...
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So if the 3 year diff service is standard across dealers in the UK it should pop-up without us having to ask for it?
I'm often told 'don't worry we plug your car in to the computer and it tells us exactly what is due'.
When I booked my car in for March the only 'paid' extra mentioned outside of my service plan was the brake fluid change...
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So if the 3 year diff service is standard across dealers in the UK it should pop-up without us having to ask for it?
I'm often told 'don't worry we plug your car in to the computer and it tells us exactly what is due'.
When I booked my car in for March the only 'paid' extra mentioned outside of my service plan was the brake fluid change...
VW dealers all have access the same info that I used above as its ERWIN (VAG service books)...However as I stated above its NOT in the standard service table section .....this is what causes the confusion..the dealers need to read the other sections...
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So if the 3 year diff service is standard across dealers in the UK it should pop-up without us having to ask for it?
I'm often told 'don't worry we plug your car in to the computer and it tells us exactly what is due'.
When I booked my car in for March the only 'paid' extra mentioned outside of my service plan was the brake fluid change...
Another good reason to find an Independent staffed by enthusiasts and with a good reputation (IMO)👍
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Thanks for quoting my easy to read version of the VAG service book... :cool:
Ahh sorry, just seen its got your name across the bottom, i just screenshot it. :smiley:
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Thanks for quoting my easy to read version of the VAG service book... :cool:
Ahh sorry, just seen its got your name across the bottom, i just screenshot it. :smiley:
I don't mind so long as its correctly credited...but more importantly the info is being used!!.. :wink:
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I know this is an old thread but I need a quick reply please..
My son is looking to buy a 7 GTi PP ( at a VW dealership ) and I’ve asked the dealer about the service history. The diff oil change was last done in May 2019, 26000 miles ago.
I said to the dealer that this is overdue now and it should be done but they said no, it’s every 40k.
The dealer has said they will give the car its 142 point check and change the engine oil but not the diff oil as it’s not due.
Reading this thread, that appears to be untrue. It should be every 3 years, and is not mileage related.
Can someone clarify please ?
Oil degrades over time regardless of miles, it's required. Silly they wouldn't just do it for the £127 (£105.83 excl VAT) they usually quote us for a sale, if your son likes the car say you're interested in purchasing the car but you expect the diff oil to be changed as a part of the sale.
Also mention alloy refurbishment if they're diamond cut :wink:
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Yep, my point is that the diff service is due or it’s not. The last engine oil service was 8000 miles ago and they said “we will complete an oil change” ( presumably ) as it’s its due in 1000 miles time.
Now it’s possible that the sales person is mid-informed about when the diff oil change is due..
Alloys being addressed :cool:
I'd put money on it that they thought you mean DSG and not differential oil, good sales people are far and few between when it comes to more technical bits as to be expected with the variety of cars they sell.
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Mk7 golf gti now around 10 years old, and I haven’t read any reports of diff failure.
If I was buying, it wouldn’t bother me that the diff oil hadn’t been changed since 2019.
It’s a seller’s market, unlikely that dealers will do it if they don’t believe it’s due.
If the car is what you want, buy it.
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Haldex diff oil is recommended at every 3 years, regardless of miles, if the car ticks all the boxes I would go ahead with it.
My car had done 50k and according to the digital service history had never been done, so I did it myself and there was hardly any debris on the filter, so I can only summise a VAQ diff is not so hard on the oil as a Haldex diff in a Golf R, which when I last did one, the filter was covered in debris.
For the sake of a sale you would think they would just do it??
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The 'DSG' mix up happened to me! As part of my third year service I was clear that I wanted the front VAQ serviced.... 'no problem' they said but of course when I got the bill they had serviced the DSG! I complained (the front desk staff knew what I had asked for) so I got the VAQ done but only paid for the VAQ service.
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Had mine done (local independent) at 3 years / 13k along with the DSG. Make sure that whoever does it cleans the Haldex filter as part of the service.
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Had mine done (local independent) at 3 years / 13k along with the DSG. Make sure that whoever does it cleans the Haldex filter as part of the service.
Trouble is unless you see them clean the filter or take a photo you'll never know.
I took photos of the haldex diff pump i did a while back to show the guy id done it.
Before
(https://i.postimg.cc/JzQgmF09/20220321-090200.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
After
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I had a similar mix up over vaq dif v haldex oil change. The receptionist said diff not serviced but when got to book it in different story - every 3 years and not mileage related. Seems a bit silly as 3 years could be a huge mileage? Would have thought use would also degrade the oil.
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Good result :smiley:
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Well, as an update, I got sent the order form today for my son to sign. I said to the sales person that it should also include the diff oil service and was told “we can do that for £99”..
Here we go again..
So I sent them the screenshot my dealer had sent me saying it was due and that their sales manager had said it would be FoC and they backed down immediately, saying it would be done as part of their sales procedure and without cost to me.
We the people expect photos when you and your son collect it!
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Had mine done (local independent) at 3 years / 13k along with the DSG. Make sure that whoever does it cleans the Haldex filter as part of the service.
Trouble is unless you see them clean the filter or take a photo you'll never know.
I took photos of the haldex diff pump i did a while back to show the guy id done it.
Before
(https://i.postimg.cc/JzQgmF09/20220321-090200.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
After
(https://i.postimg.cc/XJKBD9Qc/20220321-091553.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Hi Madstaff
Thanks for the tips with regards to cleaning the filter. I am looking to check mine this next week. Did I read somewhere an VCDS/OBDELEVEN task is required after cleaning? Can’t see this point mentioned in this post but sure I read it somewhere??
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I couldnt really get a definitive answer on if the pump relearn is necessary after a filter clean, when i did mine i did do the pump relearn procedure.
It resets the pump values as a blocked filter makes the pump work harder, more amp draw.
You need VCDS for this as i dont think any other tools can communicate with module 32 Differential lock (VAQ diff), i know a professional tool like a Snap On Solus wont.
https://www.haldexrepairs.co.uk/guide-to-front-e-diff-lock-lsd-on-golf-gti-autobahn-seat-leon-skoda-octavia/
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Thanks Madstaff
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Changed my diff oil and inspected the filter. Filter was clean once I removed the residual oil, so either I don’t drive my car hard enough or the examples on the intranet are from haldex units off an R which must get more use the the PP front diff. Any thoughts? Overall the job was not too hard. It would be super easy on a proper ramp but still OK on 4 axle stands (to make sure the car is level). Hardest part was knowing when to stop filling but all done for another 30K!
If you want to do this at home buy the kit from Awesome GTI, their part kit is cheaper than a dealer! They state the plugs and pump seal kit are one time use but the torque setting is so low I will just buy the oil and replace the bolt on the second service.
Just make you have the necessary tools - quarter inch drive with 10mm socket and a half inch drive with long extension and an 8mm hex bit.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FzcXm0yh/D9-E53-EB9-B375-4113-BBE5-D6-D7890-DF9-E8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2LzK7b9t)
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The filter on my VAQ diff pump was clean, I've changed the fluid in an R and the pump filter was absolutely filthy, so yes Paul I think a VAQ diff perhaps doesn't work as hard as an R rear haldex pump.
Did you do a pump relearn??
Have you re-checked the fluid level since the car has been running??
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I ran the car briefly when it was on the stands and then topped up another 100ml ish. I didn’t relearn as I only have OBDELEVEN but there is an option to reset in basic settings, which may be the same but I didn’t bother as the filter was clean. It would make sense if the filter was clogged.
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I would agree Paul, if the pump filter was really made up and you'd cleaned it a pump relearn would be necessary.
Mine was clean but as I had VCDS, which I bought specifically to do my diff service, I did it anyway.
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Hi folks,
Been lurking here for a while, learning useful stuff bout the Mk 7, but just registered.
I’m doing a service in my PP GTI soon and it’s due the VAQ fluid change so gonna do that as well as chec the filter/screen in the pump, but gave a quick question- I’ve seen the torque figures for the drain & fill plugs mentioned a few times either on here or on a US Golf forum but not seen anyone mention torques for the bolts holding the pump in place for when I reattach it, has anyone that’s already done this used a particular torque setting when reattaching the pump or just put it back on hand tight?
Thanks.
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Pump bolts 9Nm.
Drain and fill plugs 15Nm.
No torque figures available for the pump screen/filter T10, IIRC, bolts if you should remove the filter from the pump.
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Hi folks,
Been lurking here for a while, learning useful stuff bout the Mk 7, but just registered.
I’m doing a service in my PP GTI soon and it’s due the VAQ fluid change so gonna do that as well as chec the filter/screen in the pump, but gave a quick question- I’ve seen the torque figures for the drain & fill plugs mentioned a few times either on here or on a US Golf forum but not seen anyone mention torques for the bolts holding the pump in place for when I reattach it, has anyone that’s already done this used a particular torque setting when reattaching the pump or just put it back on hand tight?
Thanks.
Great if you could take a pic of the filter and confirm your mileage. Good luck with the job!
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Thanks guys, Service all done today, changing the Diff fluid wouldn’t have been too bad apart from it seemed like a right b*tch to get access into the plugs - not so much getting them out but putting them back in was awkward as!!
Below are the pics of the filter when I pulled the pump out, the car will just tick over onto 24k miles in the next 3 or 4 days.
(https://i.postimg.cc/jqF5ZfPK/228-CBC96-0-D73-4-BB5-852-E-D18-E1-D07-FDF7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5j8bt6sk)
(https://i.postimg.cc/hvfGK4FH/7-E743902-0-E68-4384-A4-BB-178-C2-C18-B12-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jnYTXbSX)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9fY0pNtN/F76-FDE89-069-D-41-C0-9-C8-C-53-C7251-A2040.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5Hjf9grw)
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Thanks for taking the time to take the image.
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CookieMonster there is a lot of ignorance at main dealers about VAQdiff service schedule.
My understanding (from the VW workshop technical docs I have seen) is that fluid should be changed every 3 years.
I have heard that many main dealers are oblivious to this, so don’t expect VW to do it as part of routine service.
Nobody is advocating doing it prematurely. Just trying to stick to VW schedule.
So having read this thread and with my TCR going in on Wednesday for 3 year service, a price matched MOT(£39) priced matched brake fluid change against Kwik Fit(£34.95) and eligibility check for the All in pack, I emailed my VW dealer about the VAQ diff service. They hadn't realised a TCR had a PP!!!, so yes, it needs doing they said and it's £125. My days of clambering under cars are long over, so I'm having it done.
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Make sure they remove the pump and clean the filter/screen.
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Make sure they remove the pump and clean the filter/screen.
Thanks madstaff for that. I'll make a note to speak to them.
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Could do with a steer from you guys.
Bought a 3 year old, 19 plate GTi PP with 10,500 miles at the time. Only had it a couple of months and it’s done less than 12k miles now.
Should the dealer have done the diff service? Main dealer car.
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Due every 3 years regardless of milage.
3 years, no mention of mileage in the VW Workshop manual.
(https://i.postimg.cc/PJXVPXBp/vaq.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Image credit to golfdave. :wink:
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Make sure they remove the pump and clean the filter/screen.
So took my car in this morning to have the diff service amongst other things. I asked them to remove the pump and clean the filter, as you suggested. A tech came out and said no, we won't do that, only the oil change. He said VW don't ask us to and tbf, the service schedule shown elsewhere on this thread only says change oil. As I'm signing up for the All in offer, I've agreed to this, on the basis that if the diff goes wrong in next couple of years, due to gungy filter say, I'm covered.
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Worrying they didn’t know your TCR had an LSD. Get it in writing they will clean the filter and ask for a picture.
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Worrying they didn’t know your TCR had an LSD. Get it in writing they will clean the filter and ask for a picture.
As removing the pump is not part of the official documented procedure for a diff oil change your VW dealer will be reluctant to do it, unless your dealer is accommodating and agrees to do it.
Probably adding the cost of a fill plug, a drain plug and the 2 pump "O" rings to the bill too.
I wonder how many do the pump relearn procedure too??
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Worrying they didn’t know your TCR had an LSD. Get it in writing they will clean the filter and ask for a picture.
As removing the pump is not part of the official documented procedure for a diff oil change your VW dealer will be reluctant to do it, unless your dealer is accommodating and agrees to do it.
Probably adding the cost of a fill plug, a drain plug and the 2 pump "O" rings to the bill too.
I wonder how many do the pump relearn procedure too??
The reason I got a decent local independent to do mine.
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Worrying they didn’t know your TCR had an LSD. Get it in writing they will clean the filter and ask for a picture.
As removing the pump is not part of the official documented procedure for a diff oil change your VW dealer will be reluctant to do it, unless your dealer is accommodating and agrees to do it.
Probably adding the cost of a fill plug, a drain plug and the 2 pump "O" rings to the bill too.
I wonder how many do the pump relearn procedure too??
Thanks Madstaff again
As they've literally just rung to say car all done, I'll check to see if they've charged me for those items!
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Ours was done yesterday at an independent -VAG Autocare services, I decided to move away from the main dealers.
I asked for the pump to be removed to clean the gauze, as well as the fluid change.
This was taken before the gauze was wiped, as you can see it's pretty clean.
This is at 3 yrs, 2 months old, 17,100 miles.
(https://i.postimg.cc/XNtZvsRd/IMG-20220906-WA0006.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9ztX8YFQ)